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Dallas Stars Passion & Energy: Same Old Song & Dance

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"If you put up 45 shots and lost 2-1 against an outstanding goaltender, you've got to live with those. But if you get outplayed and outworked and your goaltender stands on his head to keep it close, I've got a big problem with that."

Dallas Stars coach Glen Gulutzan was not happy after his team's 4-1 loss to the Phoenix Coyotes on Tuesday night. It's become a running theme for this team since the holidays, when it seemed the Stars had finally turned things around and were gaining momentum. Unfortunately, the Stars have apparently lost confidence in their game and it's affecting every aspect of their play and now, perhaps worst of all, their level of energy and effort in these games is now lacking.

The Stars had won three of four games coming into Tuesday's matchup with Phoenix, with poor efforts masked by the stellar play of Kari Lehtonen in net. In all three wins Lehtonen was clearly the star of the game, including the six-goal outburst against Anaheim coming out of the break. While having a good goaltender assist in carrying a team through tough times is great, this trend is becoming tiresome.

"We weren't very good again," said Glen Gulutzan. "Even with a real good goalie performance, we got outworked by a team that played last night."

I always hesitate to harp on "effort" and "passion" when attempting to analyze losses. To me that can lead to poor analysis and is a bit of an easy out for those of us carrying the team, as we try and determine the deeper, more realistic reasons for this team's struggles. I have personally fallen into that trap before. After last night, however, it's impossibly to overlook the complete lack of passion this team possesses on too many nights.

This is something we've written about before, too many times. This is a team that can ill-afford to have lapses in effort and execution and when the Stars aren't playing aggressively and confidently, they'll get run over by the opposition. Once again, the Stars are dangerously close to being completely left behind by the teams fighting for the postseason right beside them....

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6240-ribs-m_mediumThere are games when the Stars are grossly outplayed by a talented team, who is obvious just better all around than the Stars -- something that there really isn't much wrong with. It's just the reality of the situation sometimes, such as when the Stars faced the Sharks last week. San Jose is obviously a better team and only a monumental effort by the Stars on that night would have overcome the disparity in talent and depth.

That fact just proves how narrow the precipice is on which this team is standing. There is little room for error and the team must play up to it's full potential nearly every night in order to even have a prayer of winning -- let along making the playoffs. When the Stars come into a game flat, with little passion or energy, then they'll be run off the rink on most nights if Lehtonen isn't doing all he can to win the game.

Last night Lehtonen was spectacular; it wasn't nearly enough.

"We've gotten by on a real good goaltender in our last three or four games, and it's just not good enough," said Sheldon Souray. "We can talk about it, try to figure it out, point the finger, but as a whole we've really been letting each other down the last three or four games, especially with how important this stretch of games is and what it means."

Now the talk turns to trying to figure out just how to fix it. How do you fix "energy" and "passion"? Glen Gulutzan was brought to Dallas as a coach that was supposed to connect with the players and renew their passion for the game. More than halfway through a grueling season, the Stars have lost that love of the game that was obviously there the first month of the season and it's been painful to watch.

When I talked to people with the team back in November, I was told they had not seen such a positive atmosphere around the Stars in a number of years. They were confident and playing with aggression and "pace", two things that are a staple of the system that Gulutzan preaches. He wants strong defensive responsibility and a good push up the ice. Now, a little over two months later, and that approach has all but vacated from this team.

You hate to use this team (and it's something I was writing about around this time last season) but it's obvious this is a team without an identity. The Dallas Stars have a locker dedicated specifically to the "Pesky Stars", a term that has been the battle cry for this season. Over the past month, that side of this team has disappeared as they once again wilter under the pressure of adversity.

"We do and we don't (know who we are) at times. We do and we don't. We haven't played well since the break. We've got to get going," Gulutzan said. "Record aside, whatever it was, three wins in the last four or two of the last three (coming into Tuesday), we need to be better. That's not asking too much, that's reality."

Of course, Gulutzan has to determine how to fix it.

We talked early this week how much this franchise wants to make the playoffs and how the team is likely prepared to make the moves necessary to make that even close to possible. If the playoffs are such a concern, and every player on this team certainly wants to get there, then perhaps more than a few trades will be needed to actually accomplish that goal.

Perhaps a shakeup is needed. Something drastic by Gulutzan that sends a message to the team. Scratch one of the struggling veterans and play a younger player in his place. Reward those players that are playing with energy and fire each night, even if the production isn't always there. A team with energy and passion that loses is much better than the alternative.

The coaching staff has done a good job of adjusting their strategic approach to the game over the past few weeks, as it's obvious that Gulutzan is learning how to respond to various challenges in his first season as an NHL coach. When the season first started, Gulutzan would have stood in front of the media and talked about the good that the Stars accomplished, despite the loss. Lately, he's been much more forthright and it's plainly obvious he is unhappy with how his team is playing.

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The challenge is to insert passion into a team that has fallen into this same trap before under two other coaches. It doesn't matter what the system may be, if the players aren't showing passion in their game -- if they aren't winning those one-on-one battles -- then the team will lose. Same thing goes with talent: if a team is talented and full of high-priced players, a lack of passion and effort will sabotage any improvements to the roster than can be made.

"We lost a lot of one-on-one battles," said Stephane Robidas. "When you lose those you always end up on the wrong side, and that's exactly what happened tonight. They played a simple game. It was right there for us, but it comes right back to the work ethic."

We know this team is capable of playing with passion, perhaps that's why it's so frustrating when they don't. We know this team is capable of overwhelming the opposition with relentless pressure and aggression and when we don't see that over the course of a few games or a few weeks, the fans become concerned.

It's easy to root for a passionate team that is losing. It almost makes the losing easier to take. Yet when the team is only able to generate two scoring chances in the first two periods of a game and looks almost bored through most of the 60 minutes, then it's understandable when fans get frustrated. This is a team that is trying desperately to convince fans to come back to the AAC regularly and based on the game against Minnesota, there is certainly the potential for sold out nights full with rowdy fans.

I don't believe the players on this team "don't care." I know for a fact they certainly do care and I know they have a passion for this game. They have good chemistry in the locker room and there's a surprising lack of finger-pointing happening with each loss. That passion that we know exists, however, is absent from their efforts in each game.

This has been a problem for a few seasons now and perhaps the problem with the Stars runs deeper than just a "low payroll and lack of talent". This isn't something that can be fixed with a trade for a goal-scorer. This is something deeper and it's going to take the players themselves to figure it out. They couldn't do it last season or the year before; let's hope this spring changes that trend.

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The 11-3 start was obviously an aberration.

After that loss I’m beginning to come to grips with the fact that this year’s team just isn’t very good. We’re beginning our 4th month of playing about .500 hockey after that hot start.

by Ronin56 on Feb 8, 2012 11:22 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

not good at all...

I’m just after watching the game, ( I live in UK so watch games the day after ) but man that was so poor !

Benn and Loui no were near into the game, they really need to be reunited I think, Stars not creating enough at all !

I think we might aswell cash in on Grossmon, to me Fistric now offers more and is more phyiscal !

The Stars are really missing something at the moment… And its not fun to watch !

by PDUNBAR on Feb 8, 2012 11:30 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Talent level means nothing without effort.

Doesn’t matter what kind of skillset you have, it can only take you so far if you don’t add some sort of determination and give-a-damn to your game.

I’m definitely sick of watching them just go through the motions and then talk like they understand what the problem is, just to turn around and repeat it again night after night. There needs to be a shake-up. Scratch people, bring up the kids, let guys that normally play 15-20 minutes a night sit on the bench and watch someone else have the minutes that they are used to.

At this point, talk is cheap. It’s time for Gully to start putting some action behind his words.

by Travis Drybread on Feb 8, 2012 11:35 AM CST reply actions  

I think

That’s the most frustrating game I’ve ever watched last night. I really wanted someone, anyone, to throw a hit, a punch, anything to spark someone out of there lull.

As stated above, the amount of times this has happened is alarming, and the leaders on this team have in my mind one last chance to shake things up.
Play hard, or don’t play at all !!

by Matt Wright on Feb 8, 2012 11:50 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

So frustrated..

The positive thing to take away is that MN lost so the Stars are not that bad off if they turn it around. We keep saying they need to turn around the effort and then they don’t. I’m going to stick with my plan and go to several games over the next few weeks despite the way they are playing. If I drive 3 hrs to see a game like last night I will be upset but will still stand behind the team.
Nex time a game like last night happens I’m gonna put a Columbus logo next to my tv to remind me what rock bottom looks like to make me feel better about the Stars.

"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."

by T-rom on Feb 8, 2012 11:55 AM CST reply actions  

Don't discount the fact that while the Wild didn't move in relation to us

we were passed by both the Coyotes AND the Avalanche.

I have zero faith that they will turn it around at this point. They don’t have enough talent to play so lackadaisically every night.

And on the Columbus logo part, I wouldn’t be surprised if that next time happens in the next game….against Columbus.

by Travis Drybread on Feb 8, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe we'll get lucky

And someone from the Stars will read these posts and take note of how pissed their hardcore fans are after watching the Coyotes steam roll to victory on the second night of a back-to-back.

by Clint Norman on Feb 8, 2012 11:58 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

i just keep refreshing twitter, waiting for that big trade tweet.

i think this roster as is can’t cut 8th.

and if we can’t cut 8th, there’s no point in keeping aging pieces that won’t contribute for the long hall.

pretty simple.

that’s assuming the Riot Act has been read to the room and the Come To Jesus meeting has already occurred.

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by graylikethecolor on Feb 8, 2012 12:13 PM CST reply actions  

*haul

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by graylikethecolor on Feb 8, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Really Gully?

“Changing lines is just reshuffling the same cards now. There is no magic elixir, we need to dig in and put forth more effort”

I get what he’s trying to say about it doesn’t matter what he does if the players don’t work hard, but players also need to be set up to succeed. Also, you can send a message by moving players up and down the line up.

by staelfissh on Feb 8, 2012 12:16 PM CST reply actions  

It's just a collection of fail right now.

I think what Gully is saying is that it isn’t going to matter what lines he puts out there, if they don’t put forth any effort, it’s going to look the same night after night.

by Travis Drybread on Feb 8, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly...

You can put an all star lineup out there but if they don’t put forth any effort nothing will happen

by RB16 on Feb 8, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I've been very frustrating by his reluctance to shake up lines

But he has a point, too. This team lacks talent, and particularly top 6 talent. I’m not sure shuffling this group will produce anything better. We need another player or added into the mix.

by cms1171 on Feb 8, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

i think we need to come to grips with reality.

this is a salary cap floor team full of spare parts and veterans that JUST get us over the cap floor.

adding a piece or 2 won’t help us BECAUSE we have to give up something to get something. and that something we’d give up could be valuable to us in the next few years.

we need to come to grips that we aren’t going to win the Cup with this roster or with just a couple pieces other teams are willing to give up.

plus, he actually has been shuffling lines. his statement that he’s just reshuffling cards means that no matter what he puts out there, they’re still sh!tting the bed.

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by graylikethecolor on Feb 8, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes and No

You had Richards as your No.1 Center, a healthy and effective Brenden Morrow, James Neal was on your top line. More importantly, the blue line was much deeper/more effective then. Yes Ott and Benn were on the roster and while Benn is certainly a top six forward now, Ott is not.

by staelfissh on Feb 8, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah he was

although he got a concussion at some point and missed the rest of the playoffs. i dont think benn was on the roster though, he didnt show up for another 2 years if im not mistaken. i also think neal was not there at the time either. but youre right that the blue line was much better. save maybe 3 or 4 players this is a completely new team.

by the way worst e-news ever...

by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 8, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Neal & Benn had no part in that WCF run.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_Dallas_Stars_season

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by graylikethecolor on Feb 8, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah my bad...

Seems like it wasn’t that long ago. Sorry must be selective amnesia of the last three years of blech.

by staelfissh on Feb 8, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

WCF of 08

10 / 63 / 26
21 / 91 / 15
29 / 9 / 20
39 / 17 / 14

56 / 5
3 / 4
6 / 2

Barnes went down with a concussion that sealed his career.
What hurt us most was Hagman disappearing in the playoffs. He was on a tear to end the regular season (especially after teaming up with 91) but he was a ghost come playoff time.
Peterson was a BEAST defensively and pretty much came out of nowhere to shut down SJ & Anaheim’s top lines. it was fun to watch.

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by graylikethecolor on Feb 8, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I remember Hagman disappearing.

Then he was too rich to resign after a 30-35 goal season. Not good when that kind of offense disappears in the playoffs. I forgot why Boucher wasn’t playing in the playoffs. Regardless, you had two true scoring lines, a checking line that was effective (until Stu went down), and a third line with Ott and Modano on it. Compare that to this roster and it’s night and day.

by staelfissh on Feb 8, 2012 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

well, in Hagman's Free Agency defense...

I don’t think Brett Hull wanted him. I say Hull specifically because (true story) the following season, after we’d signed Sean Avery (for more than Hagman’s contract in Toronto) I was in the upper bowl, pre-season, and I look up to the coach’s box to see Hull standing. During a lull in play when it’s rather quiet, I stand up and scream HULL!!! while waving my arms. I cup my hands and ask, “WHAT HAPPENED TO HAGMAN?!” while turning around pointing to the back of my black, Hagman jersey. Hull’s response: “We shipped him to Canada”.

Now… that’s just a smartass answer to a smartass question. In the moment, I felt like it was the only time i’d ever get to confront someone within the Stars organization on what I felt at the time was grossly negligent: letting Hagman walk. I thought, and still do, that we lost a lot when he wasn’t re-signed. GRANTED: i don’t know the inner workings of the contract negotiations. I don’t know if Hull/Jackson had a sudden aversion to Finns: we let Mittens walk that off-season too. But that could just be coincidence. I think you could write a book about what happened between now and that WCF loss to Detroit.

i digress… I don’t think he was too rich. I think they didn’t offer him what he was worth and he had to pass. thems the breaks.

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by graylikethecolor on Feb 8, 2012 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

"I don’t know if Hull/Jackson had a sudden aversion to Finns:"

Hagman had a 27 goal-season and yes, between him and Avery, I’d have gladly given Hagman the $3M instead of signing Avery to that atrocious deal. Maybe Hull saw him as someone who could do better than Hagman did in the playoffs? And then there was Brunnstrom (a LW, I guess) who was signed during the playoffs whom Hull-Jack felt would be a better top-six than Hagman? I don’t know, but I wouldn’t place the blame on an aversion to Finns.

As for Miettinen: He was referred to as Miss-the-net-tinen in the official boards for his propensity to hit the boards more often than the net (and that one game in 2007 where he nearly killed Nagy with a scorcher). He did get $2M+ in Minnesota and did moderately well. Don’t think he was missed much when he left.

by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 9, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Cowboys

Hate to do it but this team is the same team I watch on Sundays. Beat teams they should loose too. Loose games to teams they should beat. Play with emotions half of the time, create too many mistakes. I have seen this scipt with the Cowboys for many years. The Stars are a 500 team just like the Cowboys. Middle of the road with middle of the road draft picks and talent. My Son is 11 and he has seen the Stars in the playoffs Once and the Cowboys twice. 10 years ago I would of bet that he would of seen a Stanly Cup or Super Bowl not a NBA Championship or World Series .The only saving grace is Jerry does not own the Stars.

Frustrated

by Bubbachewie on Feb 8, 2012 12:23 PM CST reply actions  

uhhhh.... Cowboys aren't a salary cap floor team...

the Stars are.

BIG difference there.

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by graylikethecolor on Feb 8, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

No they are not

But spending big money on guys does not equal hard work. The amount of money you make should not equate to the effort you give. The Cowboys and Stars have 3 or 4 legit players yet those players along with the other guys do not put forth the effort on a consistent basis.

by Bubbachewie on Feb 8, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

i see what you're getting at

but i think the comparison of the rosters is a bit off kilter.

The Cowboys have top tier players at pretty much every skill position except Defensive Back & O-line.

The Stars have top tier players at maybe 2 spots: forward and goalie (some would argue Kari isn’t top tier).

So, I think you’re absolutely right that the effort is not there consistently. But i think it’s wrong to say the Stars underperform like the Cowboys underperform. The Stars are actually performing as a 10th place team should. The Cowboys should have won their division and didn’t. The Stars have no business winning the Pacific this season (as no one expected them to).

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by graylikethecolor on Feb 8, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

It sure feels like underperforming though.

I think Stars fans have been spoiled by what the Stars used to give us night in and night out for many years. It may not be fair to hold them to that standard but we can’t help it.

by Ronin56 on Feb 8, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

thats exactly where i think this frustration is coming from

the stars have had a tradition of always being in the hunt, and now that the talent level has dropped off due to tom hicks idiocy people are flipping out. the team is still trying to appease fans but also realizes there are not where they need to be yet. things will get better but its just going to take some time, i know people dont want to hear that but its the truth.

by the way worst e-news ever...

by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 8, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

The head coach has to be accountable.

You can blame it on the players and sometimes be right. But not every time!

This team is rudderless. The coach has to do his job . . . He is suppose to be the rudder.

This is not a Stanley Cup team, but it is a playoff team. This team is not the most talented, but they are a far better team than this. They have to be coached better.

Mr. Nice Guy ain’t cutting it!

by Cowpokealong on Feb 8, 2012 12:27 PM CST reply actions  

I think it's interesting we've seen the same problem under three different coaches with three different styles...

What’s the common denominator there?

I’m really interested to see how he responds because I have to be honest, I’ve never EVER seen him as angry as he was the other night.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 8, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

common denominators:

10, 63, 29, 3, 6…

it’s funny… we shuffle coaches, but we keep the roster roughly the same?

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by graylikethecolor on Feb 8, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

i mean, don't get me wrong:

we are what we are and there’s not a lot to be done for a quick fix.

i’m still on the tack of: move the vets for picks/prospects. focus on draft. let the youngsters grow in 12-13 and make a big splash on 7.1.13.

i would MUCH rather watch the growth of our young talent the rest of this season and all of next, then sit through another game like last night.

if it’s a switch this roster needs to flip, they should’ve flipped it a while ago. which tells me there is no switch. they don’t have that extra gear.

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by graylikethecolor on Feb 8, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Excellent point

I was thinking the same thing about how the team has performed basically the same routine for so long here. It seems to have become part of Stars team culture as sad as that is.

There really aren’t any quick fixes if that is the case. You can bench all the top guys and get them to come back with more fire but they’ll just fade again after a few games.

Burish and Ryder were brought in from championship teams and both seemed to inspire the team for a while but eventually they’ve been sucked in too.

Maybe they could rally around a big name star, maybe half the team needs to go, I wish I knew. I’d charge Joe for my consulting services :) No matter what though, something needs to change the culture around the team. I know the guys care, but the efforts make them look like their attitude is “eh whatever”

by RB16 on Feb 8, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

IMO . . .

The financial/ownership limbo has been the common denominator to a large extent.
Up until now.
But, I think it has been more than that, too.

I think this team needs a new captain. I believe Morrow lost this team a while back. There is an occassional glimpse of the old Morrow, but, for the most part, he has become a non-factor. I realize that he is battling some injuries and that has an effect on his play and I believe his play affects his leadership. He cannot carry this team as he did a couple of years ago. Morrow needs to move to the 4th line or go. And, I think many are over-estimating his trade value. Most GM’s are smart enough to know he’s no help on injured . . . and that is happening more often.

No one doubts that Ribero is a skilled forward, but his style of play slows this team down. He spends far too much time looking for the perfect setup and too little effort making it happen. He needs to go.

Robidas is not a number one d-man. I don’t want to see him go, just moved down and a true number 1 moved in. Robi is a warrior, we need a warrior.

The third line is great. Maybe even should be the second line.

Grossman has to man-up. He’s too passive. He’s too slow. He’s to apprehensive.

Daley is doing OK. He still makes mistakes, but he is aleast trying. He is also learning to use his offensive skills. I think they should occasionally use him as a wing, in practice, to acceleratee those skills.

Goose. Well, the only way we got the best of that trade was that we got rid of Nisky. He does show some great offensive ability, sometimes. But he is in the right place as a third pair d-man.

Larson is learning.

Fistric should be alternating with Grossman. Yeah, I know! But the guy let’s the other team know he’s there every time he’s on the ice. Especially the forwards burning down the wall!

Tippet was a good coach. I know, he rarely got us past the first round, but, I think that may have been GM Joe’s 1st mistake as a GM.
Crow was a softened has-been. He may have wanted a new bench personality, but the old in-your-face bench man had far more success.
Gully is a young rookie head coach and I know there is a steep learning curve that he is trying to climb. But, pussy-footing ain’t-a-workin’! It’s way past time for some bench kicking, sitting non-workers for a period or scratching them for a game, public verbal flogging or any other thing that raises the eyebrows of the players. HE HAS TO TAKE CONTROL!

Sorry, I got unwound again! This team is really frustrating me.

by Cowpokealong on Feb 8, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree with a few of your points

I feel like Morrow and Ribs were so exciting and dynamic that seeing that go away has made it painful to watch. Something is “wrong” there, but I don’t think it’s lack of talent and I don’t think they’re just too old. Ribs had also been misused for a while.

Maybe they do need a new captain, but that’s definitely something you can’t undo once it’s done.

Grossman is still young- I think we need to be honest about who he is and where he is in his career.

I personally like Fistric and at least he hits. Maybe he needs to stand in front of the net and screen goalies for redirections. Hatcher was awesome with that for a while.

I think Gully has walked into a somewhat bad situation. I want to see what he’s got with an energized roster. I’ve still got a lot of questions, but I think he’s in a bad spot too.

by jabudi on Feb 9, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

It's partly the coach's job to motivate, partly the captain, and partly the players themselves.

We’ve tried changing coaches… probably time to try one or both of the other two.

by Ronin56 on Feb 8, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

this is not a playoff team

playoff teams dont have the issues this team does. playoff teams are teams that have are consistently good even if they dont win every night. this team is so hit or miss because they dont have enough talent plain and simple. they could be worse, but there is also still a need more for top end talent. see my post at the bottom.

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by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 8, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with your point.

My statement that they are a playoff team was referencing their talents and skills.
This team does have the talent to be a playoff team, just not the mindset.

by Cowpokealong on Feb 8, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Why do you feel this is a playoff team?

This team has a cap hit of just below $50million … 31st out of 32 teams! If you exclude Avery we have cap space of OVER 15 MILLION! We have one player grossly below market value in Jamie Benn. Most teams have at least that many. We are not like Chicago from a few years ago with a bunch of young studs that are disguising the cap hit.

Somehow you expect the coaches to make this team perform like a top 15 team when they are not in the top 30 in salary. I know Nashville somehow does it … But Rinne is going to $7mil next year and if they keep Sutter & Weber their payroll will skyrocket. Even the Coyotes are spending $4mil more than the Stars.

Bottom line … where the Stars are RIGHT NOW would be over performing in almost every independent evaluation. I want them to do better too, but really … what did you expect?

by 1paniolo on Feb 9, 2012 12:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I tend to agree

But the main thing is that they look like they’ve got no heart right now, and that’s why it’s hard to be okay with the losses. If they were losing but were competing like mad (like a few years ago) it would be at least fun to watch.

No point in rehashing everything else- I just hope they can play with a little more pride than they have been. I think they actually have a pretty good amount of talent for the little amount of money they’re paying out.

by jabudi on Feb 9, 2012 8:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm really tired of the excuses and the talk...

Last night Gulutzan said “We haven’t played well since the break…” No Glen, you haven’t played well since the 11-3-0 streak. There’s no excuse anymore.

@AdamBath on Twitter

by Elysian on Feb 8, 2012 12:34 PM CST reply actions  

i think people are not seeing the bottom line here

for the past several years this team has not been good enough, period. the cupboard isn’t bare by any means, but the level of talent is not what it should be. this is not a cup contender and in my opinion is not a playoff team. a playoff team is a team that is similar to the mavericks, where we dont know how far they will go but we do know that playoffs are almost definite. its been a long time since the stars were a real playoff team. it doesnt matter how good the coach is, and i think gully is good and is only going to get better. this team doesnt have near enough talent. they need another 1 or 2 goal scorers and at least one more stud dman and maybe another decent one also. this team has several role players but not enough top end talent. i believe that will change but its going to take time, this is why im for selling some of the vets such as souray and robidas and morrow and maybe burish. but thats it in my opinion, mostly just guys who might not be back next year or who wont be around when this team is truly competitve again.

by the way worst e-news ever...

by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 8, 2012 12:39 PM CST reply actions  

I think people here are seeing the bottom line. I am not sure what the Stars management is seeing.

The message from GM Joe has been that they want "to win now". Is this still the message? How many people on this blog believe that the Stars can win now? Please raise your hands.
If the message is still "we want to win now", then they have 3 WEEKS to shake this thing up and turn it into a legitimate playoff contender. Otherwise, please go to your fans and admit that the team needs some serious work and we will try build the contender over the next few years via high draft picks and trades (including trading some of the beloved veterans). The fans are not stupid, they just don’t like to hear one thing but see the opposite – this is how you lose your fan base. I am really curious to see the message from the Stars management to the fans at this point.

by Supernova10 on Feb 8, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

ive never specifically heard "win now"

what i have heard is joe and tom both saying that they want to make moves to win now but are not willing to mortgage the teams future. they are trying to do both, but i would much rather see them sell some older guys and just go full on rebuild. it wouldnt go in the tank and be terrible since there are good role players and some top talent. this is just the result of not having ownership and money for a few years, its going to take some time to get out this hole.

by the way worst e-news ever...

by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 8, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm still pissed about last night...

Isn’t Gaglardi trying to save the fanbase?

by FrailSwan on Feb 8, 2012 12:50 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed all around, Brandon

“Something drastic by Gulutzan that sends a message to the team. Scratch one of the struggling veterans and play a younger player in his place. Reward those players that are playing with energy and fire each night, even if the production isn’t always there. A team with energy and passion that loses is much better than the alternative.”

I just replied about this in another post and here you beat me to it. :P

I’d go to Stars games again if I knew there’d be a game to watch.

by jabudi on Feb 8, 2012 1:22 PM CST reply actions  

It's not about the talent

It’s about the lack of effort/passion/drive on nights like this. You can load up the roster but if they’re going to play like this team did last night they still wil not win. They outworked and outplayed that played and traveled the night before. How did that feel? I hear the right words but other than Gully no one seemed to really ticked off by that. Someone has to step up and light a fire under these guys. Gully, team leadership, anyone. Get in the teams face and light an effing fire. I miss the Morrow from 07 that hopped over on one leg to the Vancouver bench to start something or the Morrow from 08 against the Sharks. Where is THAT guy or who can replace him?

Just my rant.

by Jay Hutch on Feb 8, 2012 1:41 PM CST reply actions  

Oops

Got outworked and outplayed

by Jay Hutch on Feb 8, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

This was the first game I got up and left early from this season

I bought season tickets this year with a buddy of mine and told myself I would never leave early for any reason. I believed the pesky mentality is exactly what these players were going to hold themselves too. The effort, however, over the past couple of weeks has been beyond piss poor. The locker room is now filled with doubt and unless there is a shake up via trades or call ups.

I completely agree with SuperNova that GM Joe needs to put his chips out on the table for the fans to see because right now I have no clue what he wants.

I’m not going to into why I am a fan of these teams, but following the Buffalo Bills and Chicago Cubs (Grew up in Chicago Area) my whole life I am used to seeing losers. These guys fit the bill (no pun intended).

by BigTex_BillsFan on Feb 8, 2012 1:45 PM CST reply actions  

Passion and energy......?

How about some talent? Especially on the Special teams. Ever since Zubov left, this team has not been very good either, and they shouldnt have fired Tippett either. Also, Dallas is a team that seems to be all about work ethic. in today’s NHL, you got to have big game players and Dallas doesnt really have a system built for a big game player. Even other blue collar teams like Detroit, and Boston have superstars. Somehow I think Jamie Benn is restrained based on the system theyre running in Big-D.

by STARBARTZZ on Feb 8, 2012 1:48 PM CST reply actions  

Last night

was a very disappointing game to watch… I wish I hadn’t finished it, knowing the outcome. They need to play with more passion in a division game at home, no doubt. It felt too much like 08-09, when Ott was seemingly the only one emotionally engaged.

And after the beginning to the post-all star break (finally being healthy again, mostly), it’s doubly disappointing. We’ve played a couple of great games, and now a couple of bad ones.

Honestly I don’t think we should underestimate the absence of Morrow (both for the past few games, and for parts of the entire season). The team is built expecting him to be a top six forward and score 25 goals, not to mention the intangibles he can bring. Unfortunately he’s had a tough season full of injuries, and play not up to the level we’ve come to expect.

If we’re to make a real push for the playoffs, I think we have to have a contributing Morrow and Ribeiro. Last year they came alive near the end and made a strong push, hopefully they can replicate that again. Along with a better defense, strong Goaltending, Benn and Eriksson, if Morrow and Ribeiro come alive we make the playoffs. If they don’t, then we’ll be on a roller-coaster of wins and losses for the rest of the year.

by rev0lver19 on Feb 8, 2012 3:05 PM CST reply actions  

What's missing

with Morrow is leadership. All season long.

by Jay Hutch on Feb 8, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I obviously

agree there’s something missing with Morrow – but I don’t think it’s leadership. I think it’s good effective play. Good play on the ice is one way of displaying leadership, yes, but there are others like hard work in practice, preparation for games, professionalism etc. I don’t doubt those. It sounds as if his injuries are what is hurting his game more than anything.

by rev0lver19 on Feb 8, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

i second that

I think his effort is there, but he’s not healthy and is clearly no longer what he once was. He’s trying, he just can’t perform anymore.

by the way worst e-news ever...

by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 8, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

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