Dallas Stars Daily Links: Once Again, Stars Say Effort Needs To Be Better
by Erin Bolen on Feb 8, 2012 6:00 AM CST
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PrintYou know, as a Dallas Stars fan, I'm a little tired of hearing the players and coaches talk about how the effort isn't good enough.
It's not because it's not true. The Stars compete level was absolutely lacking in their 4-1 loss to the Phoenix Coyotes on Tuesday.
But I wish instead of talking about how it was a problem after the games, they'd do something about during them. And it's strange to me, because it's silly to assume players go out there thinking, "Oh, we're just going to take a night off and let Kari Lehtonen carry us." They obviously don't.
Why, then, does the compete level seem to be slowly trending downward as the year goes on? That's the million dollar question, one I don't think anyone has an answer to at this point.
And it isn't one player. It's everyone from Jamie Benn to Toby Petersen and Alex Goligoski to Philip Larsen. It's unsettling, and it's beyond time they have answers.
Here's Tuesday's version of those quotes, via defenseman Sheldon Souray.
"Awful. Atrocious. We’ve gotten by on a real good goaltender in our last three or four games, and it’s just not good enough. We can talk about it, try to figure it out, point the finger, but as a whole we’ve really been letting each other down the last three or four games, especially with how important this stretch of games is and what it means."
All that said, as frustrating as it is, this is not the point of no return. For better or for worse, the Stars are still in the thick of the hunt for the playoffs. If they want to stay there into the season's final weeks, the effort questions need to become a thing of the past and soon.
After the jump, more on the Stars loss to the Coyotes, Razor makes a comprehensive list of everyone's walk-up music and hockey hugs.
- I didn't get a chance to read this full paywalled game story from Mike Heika. But the headline was pretty appropriate for the game the Stars put out there. [DallasNews.com]
- And here's the gamer from Mark Stepneski, which feature the Souray quote above along with a lot more of the same. Way too much of the same. It sure would be nice if they could, you know, fix the problem. [ESPN Dallas]
- As disappointed as Stars fans were in their team, the Phoenix Coyotes fans were equally happy with the 60-minute effort. [Five for Howling]
- There is some comedy gold from the players in this Daryl Reaugh column where he goes around and asks each guy his walk-up song. Inspired by our new buddy Ralph Strangis asking Adam Burish what his would be in Monday's Unlaced interview? Only the Razor-boy knows. And besides, all the great writers steal good ideas. [Razor with an Edge]
- Annoyed with Jamie Benn being left off of John Buccigross' Top 100 players list? You weren't the only one. This mailbag also includes not one but two gratuitous Razor references. [ESPN]
- Stars prospect Brett Ritchie has started to figure things out with the Niagra IceDogs after a little bit of a slow start. [The Chronicle]
- Want a new uniform? Probably not happening until at least after next season, says Heika. [DallasNews.com]
- There's some interesting buzz from the college hockey world about how schools can keep players who have signed a National Letter of Intent from jumping to major junior before their freshman seasons. I'm sure that will go over well in Canada. [Buzzing the Net]
- I respect the heck out of any player who stays around the league as a worker bee long after his prime, and Owen Nolan did just that before retiring Tuesday. Heck, I've even (mostly) forgiven him for his ridiculous sucker punch on Grant Marshall way back when. But if you'd like to rekindle that rage, the YouTube clip, complete with vintage Razor, is No. 4 on this list of Top 10 memorable moments of Nolan's career. Bonus Eddie Belfour violence and ensuing Eddie chant at No. 7. [Puck Daddy]
- Meet the enemy: The Columbus Blue Jackets did the Stars a big favor on Tuesday with their 3-1 regulation win over the Minnesota Wild. [Minneapolis Star-Tribune]
- Around the Pacific Division: It was a proverbial goal bonanza from the Los Angeles Kings as they defeated the Tampa Bay Lightning 3-1. The Eastern Conference has been so little help recently. [Tampa Bay Times]
- Other scoreboard watching: The Colorado Avalanche also leapfrogged the Stars via their 5-2 win over the Blackhawks. But keep an eye on those Hawks. They're still comfortably in sixth but are on a serious slide right now. [ESPN Chicago]
- Because you, too, need one today, hockey hugs. [Puck Daddy]
- Tuesday marked five months since the day the Yaroslavl Lokomotiv team plane crashed in Russia and killed the entire team, including former Stars defenseman Karlis Skrastins. A Russian television station (I think) put together a really nice documentary that talks with the loved ones of most of the team members who were killed. If you've got a half-hour to kill, watch it and take a moment to remember all those that were lost.
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Well, at least Minnesota lost last nigth too, so we didn't lose any ground.
But a 4-1 loss to a team playing their 3rd game in 4 nights and second of a back to back certainly does not inspire a lot of confidence for our postseason hopes.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
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Tied at 1-1, I knew we were going to lose and opted for sleep instead of watching the rest of the game. I had a burst of momentary weakness and got out of bed to check the score later. To no surprise, we were down 3-1. So I went back to sleep. Go Stars.
They have to shake up the lines
Here are how I think the lines should operate
21-14-81
29-63-73
24-38-20
16-23-17
Shake it up, ignite some offense. Benn and Loui are best friends for heaven’s sake. I’m just so confused as to why Gully refuses to shake things up.
Ott Ribeiro Ryder has already been done, and it was terrible
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These days, Ribeiro and anyone is terrible.
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I am really starting to get frustrated with this team so pardon my rant...
I am gonna break this down and hopefully try to make some sense.
Mike Ribiero: Either shoot the puck or pass the puck, but holding it for 10 minutes and then turning it over does us no good. He has great skills but he hold the puck too long.
Dallas D-zone: I am really not sure what the coaching staff is preaching or what the players are thinking, but if you constantly get out manned and out battled below your net, STOP THROWING THE PUCK BACK THERE!!!. You get it along the boards near the blue line then send it to neutral ice and make them come back in. Stop gifting them passes from behind the net. Forwards, I am looking at you too so stop smiling thinking I am ragging the Dmen.
SHOOT THE FREAKING PUCK: that is all!
Mike Ribiero, I am not done with you yet. If the coach has to move one player off your line because of defensive liabilities, and you still keep getting scored on maybe that is just life. If he gives you the teams best defensive forward and you are still getting scored on, YOUR DOING IT WRONG!
Coaches: Love in time is over. Very few of these guys are getting the hint so it might be time to just smack them in the face a few times. And yes, I am advocating physically abusing players at this point.
Coaches, one other thing: If you are winning games 5-4 or 6-5 that is still winning. You can’t win games 5-4 when your top offensive players are not playing together.
Coaches, (this should be the last): If your power play is atrocious, and yet you still trot out the same power play line for the first minute to 90 seconds and fail to see a need to change. You get what is coming to you I would suspect.
Defending Big D: Keep telling it like it is and sorry for the rant.
Yes, it is a Russian TV station. I saw this video a couple of months ago (I want to say right before Christmas, around the 3-month anniversary). It's not any easier to watch the 2nd time.
And watching Zane Skrastina is tough. She doesn’t talk much, and you could tell that it was because it was still so hard for her to talk about it.
And on a lighter note, I had to read through the ESPN article twice before I caught the 1st Razor reference.
Luddy was ready to kill Nolan for running Eddie, wasn’t he? Although I’m almost disappointed we didn’t see Eddie get in a swipe or two.
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Oh, and boo on the no new sweaters. Considering they've been promising one for the last two years, they should have already been well into the design process by now.
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Speaking of effort,
the in-arena stuff needs some more effort. It’s getting better, but I’m definitely sick of seeing the same two Celena Rae “pucks can hurt people” bits over and over again. I know that they’re trying to be creative, but come on.
Other things that have started to annoy me at the games:
Same pre-game video/song
Same song to start the 2nd period, every single game
Same song to start the 3rd period, every single game
A serious lack of goal horns (not really their fault)
I’m sure that there is more, but this will do for now.
MIx it up! No more of this canned atmosphere.
It's a little thing
But the blaring music with like 45 seconds left after we were down 4-1 really drove that point home. I’m not exactly ready to go clubbing after seeing that poop in the water.
i really loathe the goal song
other teams are using it and i dont think its very cool anyway. while gary glitter probably needed to go, there has to be something better to use. im a fan of “no regrets” by the von bondies. its got a part where the crowd can join in and its a really cool song. that damn goal song needs to change! it seems like even though things are different this year as far as presentation goes, they did one thing and are going to do it for every game this year. how bout some effort and some variation from game to game, or at least change it up once a month or something.
by the way worst e-news ever...
by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 8, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
The one now
is terrible. I’ve never liked any other than the Gary Glitter song, but I guess it’s not the best to use when he’s a pedo. Blur Song 2 would probably be my choice.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 8, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
It doesn't really bother me that much
but that might be because hearing it is such a rarity lately.
If I had the background of arena presentation, lighting, and all that stuff, I’d go for it in a heartbeat. Sure, it’s probably harder than I’m giving it credit for, but they need more creativity up there.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 8, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with Erin, I'm also getting tired of hearing them say the effort wasn't good enough.
Why can’t they just try harder? It seems like a dumb question, but is it at this point?
When will someone on this team step up?
With Morrow out, the “effort” lacks. When will Ott, Robidas or someone else start turning tables over in the room? This is their damn job. Lack of effort should have consequences. 4 minute power play that saw more turnovers than shots is pathetic. The hits were not there. I’m not sure if that’s because Phoenix was faster and Dallas couldn’t catch them to hit them or if Dallas just mailed it in again.
These little non-effort games are paying a price. The barn last night was half full and didn’t have anything to get excited about. The biggest cheer came from a fan shot of Derek Holland.
When will Gaglardi start thinking of moving the team to a place where at least the arena gets filled? He can’t drop prices any lower. Season ticket packages come out next month. I, for one, am considering dropping my tickets next year. I can pick up seats game day for the games I want to see and not get stuck with games I don’t want to see.
I think me and the stars need some time apart...
I’m a die hard fan, but I may have to start watching every other game for the time being. That game was awful on so many levels. To have the effing coyotes on their second night of back to back come in and spank you like that was torturous, and I watched the whole thing. I knew Tippett was going to babysit that lead going into the 3rd, but to have it end 4-1?
As to Souray’s comments, I don’t think they’ve been riding Kari’s great goaltending just the past couple games, but more like…..the majority of the season? Team takes way too many shots on defense, and doesn’t take enough on offense…
I know we can't expect too much this season...but damn it is still depressing
So many blown defensive assignments and turnovers. Great looking drives down the ice just to see them not shoot or make a crappy pass attempt.
I know these guys all know what to do…they have done it before. Are they all back to trying to do everything themselves and not trusting one another?
If I could have a dollar every time Stars say "we need better efforts", "we were outworked", "we need to get to the net", I swear I could buy a Ferrari.
However, there is a big gap between what they say and what they do. And I am not sure who to blame at this point: the GM for poorly constructing the team and/or hiring the wrong coaching staff; the coaching staff who is inept in game planning, motivating and in-game adjusting; or the players for not giving their best effort (except Kari who deserves a better team).
The blame game
That’s always a tough one
I think Joe has done well with what he has had…we will see how things go when he has some resources
The coaching decisions have been a little suspect…but the thing is that no matter who they throw out there at times there is just no drive to win.
Personally I feel it is a combination of players and coaching. Perhaps Gulutzan hasn’t quite figured out how to motivate guys at this level when they have lost their confidence. But, someone on the team needs to help out and get the guys going. We see streaks of it, but confidence just doesn’t seem to be contagious in the locker room right now.
I don't know who to blame either
But this same tired mantra of we need to work harder, and then the same result- lack of effort and a loss, needs to end.
It’s time to shake this team up. I don’t know whether that means the GM, the coach, or players, but something needs to change.
It's the jerseys...they just need new jerseys! :)
Maybe they feel depressed playing in the crappy all white and all black jerseys.
If only it were that easy :)
the reason for them saying that is because they just arent that good of a team
the coaches and players cant just come out and say “hey we suck!” there isnt enough talent on the team. it takes time and money to build a cup contender, joe hasn’t had much of either. he has only been the gm for about 1 1/2 years and hasnt had an owner until november. i dont know what people expect the man to do in situation like that. i think he’s done a pretty damn good job given the circumstances, now that he’s got an owner to back him he should be able to take the gloves off and make some serious moves if thats whats needed. rome wasnt built in a day.
by the way worst e-news ever...
by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 8, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
This is the answer I am trending towards too.
I am willing to consider that starting the year out they all had something to prove. With all the Richards is gone, woe is the Stars news. When they hit the ice they hit it at 100%. Other teams were working into the season. Fast forward to post All-Star and other teams are now at 100% and have ratcheted the effort up a step, even two. But we were already at our top step and other than the occasional game where we can really ramp it up to 110%, it’s a level that is simply unsustainable.
I love the posts that talk about what great talent we have and how this is on the coaches. We have a severe talent deficiency to most other teams in the league, and the few guys we have with talent are still short on experience.
Really happy Brett Ritchie is getting going.
If he can reach his potential he’s a vital, blue-chip quality prospect in the system. He’ll be a star.
eh
I really think compete level is just a b.s. term as an explanation for why a team that just isn’t good doesn’t win. The team is smallish, not particularly smart or skilled and not very good defensively. Those are the true issues with this team. We need to call a spade a spade and quit believing that if the team could just try a little harder they’d be really good.
While we're all ranting
Am I the only one that hates the camera angle when watching games in tv at the AAC? Needs to be allot higher if u ask me!
by Matt Wright on Feb 8, 2012 11:09 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Yeah,
higher would be nice but it is what it is.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 8, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Short Term
This roster is not here for the long haul. So that can mean some guys just don’t care enough. That can be a cancer in the locker room. So we the fans have to be patient and let Joe really start to build this team. I believe over half the roster will be gone the next two seasons.
On the other hand . . .
They are auditiong for next year. They are smart enough to play well so they are noticed.
by Cowpokealong on Feb 8, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
"So we the fans have to be patient and let Joe really start to build this team."
Why should we extend our patience to him? Because he took over during a horrid time? Let me ask you: Did he extend that to Tippett who had to deal with the issues (the key injuries to Morrow, Richards, Zubov, the Avery-fiasco, among others) that marred the 2008-09 season? Did he feel that the coach who had done everything he could with the mediocre squads he was handed year after year since that 2002-03 season, deserved to at least finish out his extension? No, he strode right in and fired him just so he could put his stamp on the team…and whom does he replace him with? Marc Bleepin’ Crawford. Whereas the coach he fired helped a mediocre squad with ownership issues (sound familiar?) make the playoffs for the first time in years and win the Jack Adams.
Sorry, but Nieuwendyk needs to be on a short-leash. He absolutely needs to make the hard decisions this season to either deal away his ‘assets’ and get the prospects if the going starts getting tougher or make the additions necessary if he feels he needs to make the playoffs. Either way, he’d better have the acumen to differentiate between actually making the playoffs and having an outside chance. Can’t have a GM who is too deluded by his “optimism.”
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 8, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
He's made plenty of hard decisions
Joe isn’t the problem, at least not so far. You can’t trade people away if there are no takers and a smart GM waits for the best deal possible.
"He's made plenty of hard decisions"
PLENTY is not an adjective I’d use to describe the number of ‘hard decisions’ he has made.
As for the trades: I agree you can’t trade away people for no takers, but…if you have already planned to not re-sign/extend your UFA, then it’s better you get something for him if not the “best possible return.” That is still better than letting someone walk for nothing.
I still stand by my statement that I hope he is scrutinized heavily for what he does now and until the end of off-season, and that he is dealt the same hand he dealt to Tippett.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 8, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
joe has made plenty of hard decisions
he let turco and modano go elsewhere, he traded neal, he traded our top defensive prospect at the time for kari, he had to send raycroft down for a young guy who is unproven, he fired tippett, then when he realized crawford was not the guy he had to pull the trigger on him and hire a young guy. there will be more hard calls to come regarding morrow and robidas in the next year or two. joe has done a damn fine job to help rebuild the team and position them for success in the future while trying to have some short term success to give the fans hope. and not to mention he’s done all those things on a shoestring budget until november came. joe is one of the big positives for the stars, just because they didnt win the cup the moment he walked in doesnt mean the guy sucks. the cupboard was pretty bare when he came in and now they have alot of good young players in the minors. stop with all the joe hating, i really doubt they couldve found a better guy for the job.
by the way worst e-news ever...
by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 8, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
No he hasn't. Let's see:
Modano: Agreed..hard decision, seeing how he was THE franchise and all. Behind the scenes though, fans knew he was sandbagging it here and he did so in Detroit too.
Turco: Hard decision? Nah! File this under “No-brainer.” Turco was a goner.
Acquiring Kari: How is this a Hard Decision? He took a chance on a good goalie in the doghouse in Atlanta for a player who was no longer our top defensive prospect. Actually a (very) smart move in retrospect.
Trading Neal: Hard decision…yes, since we let a scorer go, but also stupid since he got NOTHING for Niskanen. Yes, Nisky was a salary dump, but to not even get a draft pick out of it reeks of sheer hastiness to get the deal+dump done. Neal for Goose is arguable, but people are slowly thinking this was a colossal mistake.
Sending Raycroft down for Bachman: Hard decision, my ass! Raycroft was sucking donkey balls.
Firing Tippett: Not a Hard Decision, but a HASTY one, considering Tippett was a victim of being sandbagged by all that fiasco in 2008-09 and having coached mediocre squads ever since. I keep asking you and others- Why is it that Joe gets a mulligan for a “bare cupboard” when Tippett essentially had the same “bare cupboard.” This is atrociously unfair.
For a team undergoing ownership crisis, the onus should have been on keeping the team solvent, i.e., making sure you had the staff capable of taking the team to the playoffs, even if you didn’t have the on-ice talent or potential to win in the playoffs. Tippett has shown he can do that with a similar team like Phoenix. Hope JN likes the taste of his Jack Adams.
Hiring Crawford: STUPID DECISION, not hard decision, based entirely on a few “recommendations” from fellow GM’s (who probably don’t like JN much, IMO).
“joe has done a damn fine job to help rebuild the team "- Drafting has been his forte (somewhat), but too early to say if he has done a “damn fine job.” His first round picks have somewhat bombed, and the hope now lies on the Smiths, Chiassons, and Nemeths.
“while trying to have some short term success to give the fans hope”- What short-term success?
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 8, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
wow i think you just hate joe
thats what it sounds like.
turco was a big part of this thing for a decade, getting rid of a guy like that is always emotional and was part of the big upheaval of letting three of the biggest names the team had go.
i dont think the neal trade was a mistake at all, i think its harder to find a dman that can move the puck and skate than it is to find a scorer who’s production is directly related to who centers his line. neal had two damn goals with pittsburgh last season, this year he’s tearing it up. why is that you ask? becasue fucking malkin is his center now! wake up! getting rid of niskanen had to be done and they couldnt have gotten much if anything for him because he sucks. that was the rare trade where both teams came out ahead.
sending raycroft down for an unproven young guy who might not be ready for primetime was a gutsy call no matter which way you look at it. while i agree that raycroft wasnt playing well, going with the unknown kid instead of the veteran is always a risk.
i didnt like seeing tippett go either, but sometimes a gm has to have his guy, and unfortunately tip was not that guy. so that decision i understand even though im a big tippett fan. and the reason that joe gets a mulligan for the bare cupboard is because he didnt make that mess and he doesnt coach the damn team! nobody blamed tippett for those things, he just wasnt joe’s guy.
as for ownership, there was no ownership. and it doesnt matter how good the coaching staff is when they dont have the firepower to compete. the reason they didnt have the firepower was because there was no money to be spent on players, and as we all know good players cost money. so how would you keep the team solvent then? because i work for the damn bank that dealt with that whole thing and i can tell you because i saw the numbers every day, they were not financially solvent. it wasnt tips fault and it wasnt joes either, those were the circumstances that were given.
while i was never a crawford fan, joe felt that needed someone else to coach the team. i also remember hearing about how the players had tuned out tip so i think all joe was trying to do there get the players going again with a different voice in the room, sometimes just making a change can really help. and while crawford ultimately proved not to be the right guy, that was joe making an effort.
i wouldnt say his first round picks have bombed at all. this isnt the nfl where your first rounders are expected to start and play well from day one. not every player taken in the first round is sidney crosby, most guys require time in the minors to develop their game and get bigger and stronger. sure you could bring them up as soon you sign them, but then the vast majority of your picks would bomb. joe is smart enough to know now to rush guys before they are ready, thats how the previous group ruined niskanen, now he’s just another crappy player.
when i said short term success i meant giving the fans something to watch. do you honestly think that if this team were similar to the blue jackets that people would be watching and coming to games? this is dallas, people only pay attention to you when you win, especially if youre not the cowboys. the rangers have been to two world series and the mavs just won it all, this team has to try something in order to draw a crowd and turn a profit. the stars may not make the playoffs, but they’re in the mix. thats the best you can ask of a team who has had no owner and no money almost no success in the draft until guess who showed up. i dont know what it is that you expected him to do, but building a cup winner takes at least a few years. boston didnt suck last year and then turn around and win the whole damn thing, they made the right moves over a period of time and had the money to compete with other teams.
by the way worst e-news ever...
by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 8, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
I hate Nieuwendyk, really?
And that’s what it sounds like to you? Well…remove the cotton balls from your “ears” and read what I wrote again. Note the use of words “agreed,” “(very) smart move,” “drafting has been his forte.” Sure…that reeks of hatred does it not? What a lame-ass way to lead an argument appealing to emotion and delving in ad-hominems, truly!
I only said that he hasn’t made “plenty of” hard decisions, and that he be held to the same standards as he did Tippett. I am even willing to wait until the off-season ends as illustrated by “I hope he is scrutinized heavily for what he does now and until the end of off-season.” So there!
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 8, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
yeah thats what i said didnt i...
when you say drafting has been his forte and then turn around and say his first rounders have been bombs its nothing more than a back handed compliment. You’re not actually giving him credit for anything, all you’re doing is raking him over the coals because you don’t agree with his decisions. You’re still angry about Tippett, I was too. But I think Gully is going to get better as time goes on, and I think he’s pretty good now. Tipp is gone dude, get over it.
Like it or not Joe has made the hard call on several occasions, especially considering the fact that he’s had no resources. Just that alone has forced him to make some of those decisions in the first place. The guys doesn’t just walk into work and put his feet up, he’s doing what needs to be done in order to make this team a contender. You just don’t get there overnight.
Saying people are realizing that trading Neal was a collossal mistake, really? No it wasn’t, in fact that was damn good trade for everyone. Kinda like when the stars traded Iginla back in the day for who was it? Oh yeah it was Joe! You wanna say how he didn’t deserve the Conn Smythe while you’re at it?
All I’m saying is that even when you are agreeing with me, you’re still not actually agreeing with me because then you’re saying that it was a mistake. I think he’s made plenty of hard decisons such as the ones I listed. The guy has pretty tough job, I just don’t see how you can say he hasn’t made any hard decisions when he clearly has. There’s no need to scrutinize him and hold him to the same standard that Tip was held to because he’s not a coach, he’s the GM. You’re comparing apples to oranges here. Thats what leads me to believe the guy just can’t win with you, and it’s the same way with me. I made several valid point and you said it was a lame ass way to lead an arguement. So even though I would love to have an intelligent discussion here, you’re more interested in trolling. So I’m done talking about this with you and I’m moving on to read the other content that this badass site has. Good day to you sir.
by the way worst e-news ever...
by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 8, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
"yeah thats what i said didnt i..."
And that’s an extremely lazy attempt at an argument- especially when you lead with it. His two first round picks in Glennie and Campbell aren’t doing well- deny that please. That is not a backhanded compliment, but a proper appraisal of what he has done.
“Saying people are realizing that trading Neal was a collossal mistake, really? No it wasn’t, in fact that was damn good trade for everyone. Kinda like when the stars traded Iginla back in the day for who was it? Oh yeah it was Joe! You wanna say how he didn’t deserve the Conn Smythe while you’re at it?”
I was quoting BAD RADIO when I said that people are starting to think the trade was a mistake. I still maintain that Neal for Goose (sans Niskanen) is still an arguable point at this moment. Goose was great when we acquired him and Neal continued his slump in Pittsburgh, whereas the latter has surged like anything this season.
As for your second half of the above para: I think I also imply that Joe Nieuwendyk reeks of Sex Panther and has child porn on his computer. Care to dredge up more innocuous bullshit to put in my mouth? How emotionally fragile were you when you typed this?
“All I’m saying is that even when you are agreeing with me, you’re still not actually agreeing with me because then you’re saying that it was a mistake.”
Hilarious! I am not agreeing with you at all. I only clarified my point that your lazy emotional outburst at vilifying me as a HATER is weak and immature.
“I just don’t see how you can say he hasn’t made any hard decisions when he clearly has.”
The hilarity ensues. Learn to read, will you? I said he hasn’t made PLENTY of hard decisions. PLENTY = A LOT. Note the use of the words HARD DECISION against Modano and Neal.
Again…READ!
“There’s no need to scrutinize him and hold him to the same standard that Tip was held to because he’s not a coach, he’s the GM. You’re comparing apples to oranges here”
Why? Isn’t he paid to improve the team? What apples and oranges?
“Thats what leads me to believe the guy just can’t win with you, and it’s the same way with me”
Right…that’s what I said.
“I made several valid point and you said it was a lame ass way to lead an arguement. "
You lead off with an off-handed remark on a person’s character without focusing on the merits of an argument and I owe you an explanation?
“I would love to have an intelligent discussion here, you’re more interested in trolling. So I’m done talking about this with you”
Now I’m a troll. Seriously…piss off. You aren’t grown up enough to argue like an adult.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 8, 2012 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
someone delete this please
its fine when people dont agree but to drag it down like this is just plain pointless and immature.
by the way worst e-news ever...
by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 9, 2012 8:21 AM CST up reply actions
Out played, out worked, out chanced, not enough effort, too many mistakes, and on and on and on . . .
And I’m not talking about the players!
I think all these excuses fit the coaching staff!!!
This is not an untalented team. They HAVE the skills to be better.
But, they have to be COACHED BETTER.
I think too many of us have been giving the coaching staff a free pass becuse the head coach is a rookie to the NHL. I’m tired of the passive reactions from the head coach.
Yes, sometimes the players are out played, but, it’s becoming more and more obvious that the players are being out-coached on a regular basis.
The PP is an absolute joke. And, someone refresh me on the old saying about trying the same thing that hasn’t worked before over and over again and expecting a different outcome. Why do they think that if you try something long enough that you’ll get better results? The other coaches don’t worry about the Stars getting a PP because they know what to expect!
The team is in a major funk and we get excited because the coach shows his anger through body language. That should shake the players up! Right? WRONG!
Call them out publicly! Scream at them on the bench where everyone can see! Sit them for a whole period! (Yeah, it might cost us, but it may also pay huge benefits.)
Remember when Crow was hired and we though we were going to see a firey coach that might inspire the team . . . and we got the passsive Crow-Light?
Well, we STILL HAVE Crow-Light.
Did you see what happened when the Ducks GM called the whole team (almost) out in public and made it known that none (almost) of them were worthy of keeping? They started winning!
For me, the honeymoon is over with Gully. HE needs to be held accountable. He needs to step up or step down! I can accept loses when there is sufficient effort. No team wins every game. But when the coach is constantly being out-coached (remember when Hitchcock made in-game adjustments and kicked Gully’s butt) and he doesn’t seem to be aware of it, because he keeps letting it happen, then something needs to happen. Where is the GM at times like these?
I love this team (mostly, see Pardy)! They are not the most talented team but they are better than this. They DO have the talent to make the playoffs . . . but, I’m wondering . . . do they have the coach to take them there?
Sorry, sometimes I just get wound up!
Your point about the PP makes sense, obviously.
They stick 1 player in front of the net with the other 4 in an umbrella and just practice passing the puck around to each other, looking for some sort of perfect chance that never presents itself. I love Ott but he’s not the biggest guy on earth. They need to stick 2 players in the vicinity of the net and make it someone with size like Vincour or even Benn.
Oh and also put Benn on the first unit!!!!
Your most talented scorer is not getting the most PP time on the first unit????
Let coach Pyle from Austin spend a day coaching the PP and see how it does.
"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."
Sucks about the jerseys
No reason it should take that long. What they have are an abomination.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 8, 2012 12:38 PM CST reply actions
So if effort needs to be better
And the chance to get into the playoffs and put some points between you and the other potential 8th-place teams in front of your home crowd doesn’t get you going, what does?
I still say the coaching staff should sit players who don’t perform and play the guys who at least give you something. If it doesn’t work, try something else, but the players just don’t seem to be listening.
Sadly, we’re probably going to end up losing Morrow to someone who will be a legit Cup contender and he WILL make a difference on their team.
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