2012 NHL Trade Deadline: Focusing On Playoffs While Planning For Future
Last week, we discussed how the Dallas Stars are caught in the middle between fighting for the playoffs this year while being an average team overall while also being a team attempting to build for the future. It's an interesting dilemma for a team that desperately needs to play well and get to the postseason in order to continue rebuilding the fanbase, yet also must keep in mind that this Stars team is still a few years away from being a legitimate contender.
Since Tom Gaglardi purchased the Dallas Stars in late November, he and his team have done a great job of making some quick changes in order to help promote the team better in Dallas. While most of their focus has been on rebuilding the front office and getting the business side of the organization back on track, we've seen a drop in ticket prices and an increase in entertaining promotions for games -- such as Hockey For Heels.
Getting the fans back into the AAC has been a tall task, yet we've seen a steady increase in attendance since November with Saturday's game against Minnesota selling out. The trick is going to be to hold onto those fans and to increase interest in the Stars in the Dallas area, something that really can't happen without a postseason berth, even as an 8th place team.
So, just how important is it to make the playoffs and how risky should the Stars become in order to accomplish that goal?
The biggest issue facing the organization right now is finding a way to keep those fans that are now showing back up. The team this season, as we've seen over the past month, is an average team full of hard-working, blue collar players that struggles to compete with the upper echelon of teams in the NHL. The Stars are in the middle of a "re-tooling", with Gaglardi willing to spend to build the team again while the Stars attempt to compete with a very low payroll this season.
This has led to inconsistent play, with fans always expecting and wanting more. The game against the Tampa Bay Lightning from a few weeks back is a great example. There was a decent crowd on hand for a Friday night game, yet the Stars played poorly and let a struggling Lightning team beat them at home. The attitudes of the fans -- especially the casual fans -- was one of "what about this team is going to make me want to come back, and convince me I should get season tickets next season?"
The season tickets issue is perhaps the most pressing. With the season ticket holder base down to around just 6,000 this season, perhaps the biggest focus of the team is going to be on rebuilding that base of fans. One way to get those numbers instantly back up would be to get into the playoffs and have an actual NHL playoff game in Dallas for the first time in four years.
The Stars are fighting for relevancy, something we've chronicled fairly well over the past few years. This is a city that loves a winner and will only listen to excuses for losing for so long. Even the Dallas Cowboys are suffering from dwindling home attendance numbers. With the Stars competing directly with championship teams in the Mavericks and Rangers, it's not going to be enough to miss the playoffs this season and then say "it's ok, it's ok....look, we're building for the future!"
Fans see a new owner and they want change, they want improvement. While, for the most part, we're going to have to stay patient on many of of the changes fans want to see there's a good chance the Stars will at least be able to be somewhat aggressive at the trade deadline in an effort to push for a playoff berth.
The question, of course, is at what cost?
There are many who are wary of the Stars becoming buyers at the trade deadline for fear of losing valuable future assets in an attempt to make the playoffs this season, when the Stars are unlikely to make it out of the first round. Is a quick first round exit worth it to lose a high draft pick, a current player or a future prospect -- and likely a combination of all three? For a team that is comprised mainly of players who won't be on the roster in a few years, it's going to be tough to justify trading away future pieces like that for a short-term cause.
Yet there's another side to the argument. Making the postseason this year is something that all teams in the NHL set out to do. Some teams are already out of the playoff race and can certainly look to next season, but for the Stars and many other teams out there this goal is still very much alive. To give up and to not make a push for the postseason makes little sense, and it sends the wrong message to the fanbase about where the priorities for this season line.
So, making the playoffs is an incredibly important thing to this team and it's very likely this is their goal heading into the trade deadline.
The challenge in front of Joe Nieuwendyk now is to find that trade that helps the team in the short term without sacrificing too much of the future. To accomplish this, Nieuwendyk can use a combination of assets (even future) ones that actually improve this team this season without hurting this team's future. There's a core group of players that is untouchable but other than that -- and perhaps trading a few first round picks -- the Stars should be more than willing to trade for a proven commodity.
After all, that proven commodity is a better risk than the unknown that is a non-elite prospect or high-round draft picks.
Too much of our focus has been on "top six impact players" and big name scoring machines, that franchise player the Stars need. Yet this team also needs just plain scoring depth, someone that can step in and be a top six forward and provide a scoring boost to a team that is struggling in that department.
We're not talking about a 40+ goal scorer or a 70+ point guy; we're talking about perhaps no more than a proven 20-goal scorer who is at least a bigger weapon that what the Stars are currently deploying on the second line. A player like that is someone who would be available at the trade deadline and wouldn't cost so much as to make the trade incredibly risky, and it would allow the Stars to at least improve heading into a very crucial part of the season.
It's a risky endeavor but one that is perhaps better -- for the fanbase at least -- than selling off all of your veterans in a move that waves the white flag on making the playoffs. Especially if trading those veterans gets you nothing in return except draft picks and/or prospects, since neither will be something to improve the team for this season.
Somewhere in there is a hybrid of the two approaches, being a combination of trading some veteran players while also acquiring a player or two to help improve the team for this season. The big blockbuster trade that many fans would love to see will never happen and will never be worth it, especially since this is a team that is far from just being "one player away."
The Stars have a tough task ahead of them this month with some tough decisions to be made. Making the playoffs has been the goal all season long, Tom Gaglardi has made it known. Now we'll see just how committed they are to such an endeavor and how risky they are willing to be in order to accomplish this goal.
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Nice article. Hopefully Joe has some slick trades cooking.
As trivial as it is, I still enjoy names of potential targets. But I get that common sense and logic prevail as the likelihood of anyone named being traded for is marginal at best.
Hmm.
If they can’t make it, they can’t…
But if they could…
Jamie would see his first playoffs.
Kari would see his first as a Star.
Some players would see Stars as a better place to land during summer.
All those things are reasons enough why it would be more than great to see playoffs in AAC. The arena needs it, the fans need it.
Let’s see if the team could make it.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
Those are all great points- especially the first 2 about Benn and Lehtonen.
"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."
Playoffs are the place for Benn.
It’s easy for me to wait a bit since I don’t live in Texas, but you guys/girls need some playoffs, even more than we fans in Europe.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
by Henri Muroke on Feb 6, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
i wonder if joe can pull off another nystrom type move
but who knows. i honestly would rather just see the team make moves for the future, the team has made one real playoff run in the last 10 years or so. lets just move out some of the vets and get some picks and prospects. souray is a great example of this, he’s on a one year deal and i really doubt he comes back next year, so even though i love the hammer maybe its time ship him somewhere else. by the time this team is truly contending for a cup again i think he’ll be done, same with robidas and morrow.
by the way worst e-news ever...
I'll continue to put my faith in Joe to make it work
He has done well so far in my opinion and I think he will figure out a way if at all possible to balance all the needs.
Another point about keeping veterans around is that it is great to have the young guys, but even better if you have a few key veterans to help teach them. Along with that, the fan base needs some veterans to allow a smooth transition from the guys we knew to the new guys we will know.
Very good points
As a fan, of course I want the playoffs to come back. And if they put up a fight but lose in 4 then so be it. At least we’ll have a good measuring stick and Joe will know more about their shortcomings. Missing the playoffs by 4 points would suck, knowing they briefly led the league.
I’ve never been all that big on draft picks if they’re not early. It seems like the move from college or AHL to NHL is just too tricky to be able to say for sure that guys will be worth it.
At the same time, we know you can’t JUST rely on F/As. If you look at the best teams, their top forwards were mostly drafted by the team they’re playing for. But they also tend to be top 5 draft picks, Detroit being the obvious (and annoying) exception.
So if we’ve got, say, the #11 pick….do I care about trading a 1st and a promising young player for someone like Parise? No. But if we end up with a #3 pick, that’s a lot harder to justify.
I’d still personally take Parise for Kari if we can get a good goalie in another trade. Yes, I am in fact dreaming.
i wouldnt trade the 11th pick
campbell was the 11th pick and apparently he’s the next big thing, and even if he’s not his trade value still hasn’t even come close to what it could be. i would rather stick with that pick and the prospect than trade for a guy like parise. it would be better for the health of the organization if they they chased parise through free agency, that way they dont lose anything to get him and if the gms can use a buyout clause on him if it doesnt pan out for some reason then there hasn’t been much harm done. but lets say a prospect and guy like morrow for a guy like cody hodgson then thats the rare move that helps right now and in the future, ala goose.
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by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 6, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
You're going to feel like an ass when this actually happens
Somewhere in there is a hybrid of the two approaches, being a combination of trading some veteran players while also acquiring a player or two to help improve the team for this season. The big blockbuster trade that many fans would love to see will never happen and will never be worth it, especially since this is a team that is far from just being “one player away.”
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Not to feed the trade Morrow meme
But what if we did something crazy like hired ship some of the older players like morrow and Robi off and used the assets from that to acquire somewhat younger UFA’s and retool to be a younger roster and simultaneously not throw in the towel on this season
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 6, 2012 1:02 PM CST via mobile reply actions
feed it.
send him to a better place.
let him have the chance to win a cup.
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by graylikethecolor on Feb 6, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
The upcoming CBA expiration has serious weight...
the One-Time Buyout is what i’m hearing the most: will it allow GM’s to get out from under stupid contracts? I would wager we’ll see it, which could add to the UFA market come July 1, however, would you want a player who was just bought out? hmmm.
We’ve been window dressing a Rebuild since the WCF of 08. We’re young and getting younger. I say trade 63, 10, 29, 3, 44 and 2 for any picks/prospects we can get. Let the youngsters get their NHL time next season in a full “Rebuild” season and focus on adding Big Time Free Agents in 2013. By then, we’ll know where we stand with our top prospects and they’ll have serious NHL minutes for us to judge by. The amount of return we get in those trades of vets will determine how steep our Rebuild is.
I’m not saying jump off the Rebuild cliff, but, I am saying move those old pieces and look to 2013 as the year we sign a big name or two. The biggest ? is the CBA. I think that puts a wrench in moves made this season.
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by graylikethecolor on Feb 6, 2012 1:13 PM CST reply actions
Well, Souray was bought out just before the season started, and he's been one of our better D this season.
I mostly agree with you on the trades, though, I seriously doubt there is any team in NHL that would take 29. Plus, I think 29 is Stars’ definition or “pesky”. There is no way he is getting traded. If anything, I’d trade ## 23, 16, and 17. 63 and 10 might be unmovable at this point, due to their $$ contracts and NTCs.
Well I will propose a name:
Josh Bailey – C/LW NY Islanders. Still only 22 and a former #9 overall pick, Bailey has seemingly yet to pan out. Currently in his 4th season, his career high in points is 35 amassed in 09/10 and with him sitting at 14 points in 51 games this season it is unlikely that he will surpass that total. I can’t see his value being very high and some one like this might be the reclamation type project Joe likes to gamble on; see Nystrom. Not sure what it would take and honestly have not seen him play very much at all to be a judge, but a young guy who might be worth the risk. His scouting report from his draft year depicts a solid two-way forward with strong play-making abilities and vision. A potential center idea for now and the future.
Alright let me have it… would be interested in your thoughts on the player as I have a limited knowledge of him and what the potential cost would be.
Ironically I traded Ribeiro for Josh Bailey in NHL 11 a few months back and it worked out great
Not that I go by that as reality…but it is funny that of all the players out there you chose him to mention. There were also some draft picks in my trade I think.
Interesting gamble, I'd say probably Grossman as long as there willing to send a 1st/2nd the other way
We get rid of a dman, and get a decent pick along with someone young. I think asking for a 1st might be too much but there you go, I await analysis from Worley and co.
Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?
by Great British Stars Fan on Feb 6, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
I think that is a 'gross' over-valuation of Grossman.
I doubt you would get any high picks back in that scenario, although I have been wrong.
i think you're right
but what about souray? big shot and physical defender that can have an immediate impact and probably wont be back in dallas anyway, thats one the guys i think they could get a little something for.
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by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 6, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
not from the islanders
To the islanders, Souray is nothing but a golf buddy this playoff season. They are not trading assets for an aging veteran.
This is one
I’ve mentioned before. He’s not panning out offensively but supposedly is good defensively, so worst case he could probably be your defensive 3rd line center for many years who can chip in some offensively.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 6, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
but they already have someone for that
fiddler has been fantastic so theres no need to replace him. he’ll still be a good player in a few years so i dont understand why they would trade for another 3rd line center.
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by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 6, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
I think the point was worst case.
If his offensive side doesn’t mature, you still have a young 22 year old center with good defensive instincts. If he has just been slow to mature or what ever the reason he could end up being 50 or 60 point man with a two-way game. The Stars are not in position to turn down young talent because they have a guy like Fiddler. Not sure what he will cost but there is some upside there.
Worst case
he probably scores more than Fiddler too. Fiddler can play on the third line if you need him to but if we get to contender status which we’d all like, well Fiddler wouldn’t be on the third line if he was in Pittsburg, Detroit, Boston, Vancouver..etc. etc. etc. You want a guy who can score 15 goals give or take, 30-40 points. Won’t get that with Fiddler.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 6, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
Actually that's not really true
At least if you look at the stats.
I’m not up on who plays on which lines on other teams, but looking at the depth charts on Yahoo Sports, Pittsburgh is really the only team with LWers who have better numbers than Fiddler’s. Detroit, Boston and Vancouver are roughly the same. And there’s absolutely no guarantee that bringing a Mason Raymond to Dallas would mean he’d fill the role Fiddler does. He’s been great in his role and you really couldn’t ask more from him.
If you’re looking to improve the Stars, that 3rd line is the least of your worries.
I'm talking
about 3rd line center. All those teams most definitely have guys who produce more than Fiddler. Bolland..Hodgson..etc.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 7, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
Goligoski is a perfect example of the kind of player that can help now and in the future.
Those are the kind of players that Joe should continue to target, although it would be nice to not give up players like that in return, like they did with Neal.
If you want to get the fan base excited, I don’t think anything is more exciting than bringing in a young stud who is already in th NHL but still has 90% of his career ahead of him.
Morrow netting 30 last year masked the loss of Neal.
This year there is a gaping hole(s) on the second line. Not saying I don’t want Goose, we need him, but we could sure use some young scoring depth.
What's our record when Morrows out?
by 91_Stars_21 on Feb 6, 2012 1:43 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Unfortunately, too much rides on the casual fan
And that’s a pity. Those of us (at least I speak for myself) who are die-hard Stars fans would MUCH rather see the Stars continue to build for the future and not sacrifice assets for rental players just to make the playoffs. This team needs to fight and struggle to do everything to make the second season, and if they do, that’d be wonderful! But I just don’t see it as important as some, I guess. Unfortunately, Gaglardi must worry about attendance, since that equates to income. That means the fan who really doesn’t give a wit about hockey, much less the Stars, but enjoys jumping on a winning bandwagon has more sway over Gaglardi’s actions than we do as the die-hard fan base. It’s a pity. I stand by my feeling that any moves must be made in the off-season when time and reason can rule the day rather than over-priced rentals and bidding wars at the last second.
i concur
i can go without the playoffs another year or two if it means that the team is a serious contender when they do get back there. the stars aren’t having much trouble filling the seats now that tom is running the show so i dont see that arguement as relevant. it would be better to do both but if i have to make a choice i say sell and lookout for the future. this team has finally started to take the draft seriously, why do people want to screw that up now?
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by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 6, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
Gaglardi doesn't make his money with the Stars
so while it’s a concern to make the playoffs… it’s not directly tied to salary.
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by graylikethecolor on Feb 6, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Of course money is a concern...
To say that money isn’t a concern seems a bit silly to me. Of course it is. He simply can’t operate this team at a loss. He has a lot of money but that doesn’t mean he’s willing to have a toy that is a complete money-sink. And the attendance is just recently showing some life; we’re a long ways away from consistent sellouts. My point is simply that this arena is near vacant when it’s just us hardcore fans (and I only make 10-12 games a year since I live out of state). The casual fans account for A LOT of the arena revenue; to discount that seems a bit cavalier.
Still need to make a trade for depth
The lack of depth in scoring has been an issue for years now. Perhaps a trade to Toronto for Mikhail Grabovski? He has 37 points with 18 goals and had 29 goals in 2010-2011 season. He’s a center which is another need, plus Joe has a relationship with Burke being an assistant gm before Dallas. Another to really consider is PA Parenteau from the Islanders. He’s been a consistant 20 goal scorer the past three seasons. Lastly Tuomo Ruutu from Carolina. He’s a center who has some tenacity plus the Stars seem to have good luck with Finnish players. All of the above are UFA’s and I think can be had for a draft pick and Grossman/Fistric/Vincour/Wandell take your pick.
I think the cost for Grabo would be too high.
Burke over-values his players generally.
i agree
and i would rather see the kid we’re talking about trading be given a shot to do what a guy like grabovski could do. i think vincour needs more time but theres no reason he cant be a 20 goal guy in the future. i say we just stand pat or sell a veteran or two, i dont want anymore of the kids rushed into service like nisky and wandell were. those guys were ruined and its because of hasty decision making. let the kids get more time to develop, we have a young core so theres plenty of time.
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by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 6, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
Speaking of Vincour, practice update today
Says Vincour is moving down to 4th line, Burish up to 3rd. :-/ Just send Vincour down and keep him there this season if he’s going to play five minutes a night.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 6, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah,
there’s a rumor that Burke and Philly are talking, he wants JVR ++ for just Schenn. Seems like a crazy overpayment to me. I would LOVE to somehow get Schenn though. Big, young, 1st pairing potential(our top team need IMO), and to top if off a right shot.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 6, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
make a decision on 3 right wings
We need to trade either reilly smith, austin smith, or alex chiasson. The other 2 will make the loss of one an ok loss. We can get a pick for grossman to make up for it too.
You don't make a decision on players that haven't even played professionally.
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heard a quote today
Dmen blossom in development around the age of 26-7, also, the same time they become UFA’s. a GM was quoted as saying why develop a Dmen when you’ll lose him when he’s starting to blossom. ’Develop Forwards/Buy Defensemen" was the mantra.
do you subscribe to that? and if so, how does that affect the pieces the Stars drafted/are holding. if not, what’s wrong with that theory.
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by graylikethecolor on Feb 7, 2012 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
Other guys that could work (with no regard to their assumed availability or contract terms)
David Jones
Paul Stastny
Derick Brassard
Colin Wilson
Patrik Berglund
Kyle Brodziak
Antoine Vermette
Frans Nielsen
Lauri Korpikoski
Sam Gagner
Teddy Purcell
Jussi Jokinen
Bryan Little
Mason Raymond
by Travis Drybread on Feb 6, 2012 10:40 PM CST reply actions
i like Gagner
not because of his hot streak, but because he’s 22. and, I heard he’s played on all lines and taken it in stride.
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by graylikethecolor on Feb 7, 2012 12:08 AM CST up reply actions
Ya, I was thinking Gagner before this hot streak.
Now, I doubt he’s obtainable for anything close to what we would consider offering.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 7, 2012 7:32 AM CST up reply actions
He's also great
at absolutely crushing the living hoo ha out of himself into the boards to avoid being hit by another player.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 7, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
If minny doesnt resign brodziak id like to pick him up in the offseason
good at faceoffs scores at quite a decent pace and can play 3rd or 4th and has done well for minny playing up with injuries
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 7, 2012 4:09 AM CST up reply actions

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