2012 NHL Trade Deadline: Joe Nieuwendyk Talks Standing Pat
Dallas Stars fans held their collective breath for hours today as trades and speculation rolled in on Twitter and the NHL Network. Steve Ott's name would simply not go away, and some national media members had as many as 10 teams interested in the pesky Stars forward that could be a huge addition for those who feel they're truly contenders.
In the end the man who has at least become one of the biggest faces of this franchise stayed put, and Nicklas Grossman left as the only casualty of the 2012 NHL Trade Deadline.
"No moves today," said Stars General Manager Joe Nieuwendyk. "Pretty uneventful day league-wide, it seemed. I think our plan has been consistent. We weren't going to do anything unless it made sense for now and for the futture going forward. Nothing in that regard really presented itself."
The question heading into the deadline was: Can the Stars afford to be swayed by the four-game win streak and possibility of slipping into the post-season, or should their gaze stay fixed firmly on the horizon (the future)?
When asked if things would have been different had the club continued to lose last week, Joe Nieuwendyk said "I think yeah, you would have made the evaluation a little different, for sure, but again, nothing would have been done unless it was good for us moving forward whether it was three weeks ago or even today."
Last year he was able to find a happy middle ground with his team in the hunt when he acquired Alex Goligoski to help the team in both the long and short terms and it seems the plan was similar this time around, but the value they wanted wasn't there.
"There's no doubt that I'm pleased with the way we've been playing lately and I know we have a tough road ahead, but I think it's also a message to this team that we do believe in them and that this group has shown some resliency."
We'll never know exactly what Joe Nieuwendyk could have gotten in return and for which players, but it's clear that he's placed at least some measure of trust in this group and in their big week leading up to the deadline. A tough (very tough) March schedule now stands between them and repaying his faith, but at least for their sake they know now that they'll face it together.
Much more from Joe Nieuwendyk after the jump...
The exhalation from players like Sheldon Souray and Steve Ott was palpable as both took to Twitter just minutes after the deadline passed by to express their relief at the Stars inactivity.
"I'm sure if you talked to some of our players they were probably a little nervous and uptight about the situation," said Joe Nieuwendyk when asked if the deadline had anything to do with the team's recent performance.
"Maybe that focuses you a little more, but I think that there's been a real commitment to playing for one another and becoming a team here in the last two to three weeks and whether or not that was because of this trade deadline, I don't know, but maybe it did factor in."
ESPN's Pierre LeBrun tweeted just minutes after 2:00pm Central passed that the Stars took a lot of calls on both Steve Ott and Sheldon Souray but in the end didn't get what they wanted and decided to keep both.
Was there anything close to getting done?
"I would say there were a couple of things on the table that took a lot of time to sort through, but at the end of the day we had a responsibility to put the best team on the ice right now to challenge for the playoffs and we didn't want to risk moving anything that would not help us as far as the return moving into the future."
The desired return on Steve Ott figured to be a big offensive cog that could figure into the team's core moving forward for years, but the return for Souray was a little cloudier. A market that saw the Chicago Blackhawks trade a 2nd and a 3rd rounder to Winnipeg for Johnny Oduya had many wondering what sort of payment (or overpayment?) could have been made for Souray, but we'll never know.
Perhaps Souray's absence these last few weeks hurt his value enough, or perhaps, after having already moved Nicklas Grossman, Joe Nieuwendyk didn't want his team to have to push for a playoff spot with Adam Pardy or AHL callups in the lineup every night.
When asked how important making the playoffs is in light of what happened today, Nieuwendyk kept his eye on the big picture.
"It's always the goal," Nieuwendyk said of making the playoffs. "I think our big picture goal is to be a team that doesn't just sit in this 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th spot. We want to be consistently one of the top teams and that's where we hope to get to, but for right now I think this team has shown that they're committed to each other and they're going to fight hard to get to the playoffs."
Tom Gaglardi has said that the team will add payroll and Joe Nieuwendyk said they would be active around the deadline, but for now we're all going to have to wait a little longer to watch their vision unfold. This time they resisted the urge to overpay and make a big splash. They didn't let any assets go the other way for pennies on the dollar either. They kept an even keel. It might not make for good internet chat fodder, but it might be the right way to go in building a winner in the long term.
In the mean time they'd like you to remember that they have some good news where the roster is concerned on the horizon.
"We've got some pretty good players coming back to us in Brenden Morrow and Jamie Benn so let's not forget about that either," added Nieuwendyk. "I think that with the energy Ryan Garbutt has given us, we have some pieces that are going to help us moving forward."
The question now becomes: Did they push so hard last week because of the looming deadline? To keep the team together? And can they continue to do so now that it's passed by?
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I really do not understand this line of thinking.
Actually…I understand where its coming from. I just don’t agree with it.
Especially considering the da t that if the Stars had made the trades that were talked about, theory chances of making the playoffs were going to take a big hit.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 4:00 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Oh boy...sorry for the typos.
Stupid phone.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 4:01 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
IMO
because this will be 2 years in a row that joe has decided to stand pat with his group and not made the playoffs… that wouldn’t reflect well on his ability as a GM
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 27, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
Wasn't
the Goligoski deal like four days from the deadline?
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 27, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
Stars would have had to grossly overlay
In order to improve this team for this season alone. Did you see what Nashville had to do?
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 4:04 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
And I wouldn't call the Goligoski deal "standing pat"...
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 4:05 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
the goligoski deal had obviously been set in motion well before the deadline
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 27, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
?
you surely dont believe that deadline deals ONLY get worked out at deadline…
by frozenyeti99 on Feb 27, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
Well...
Two years ago, we added Lehtonen. Last year we added Goose. They were players we really needed, and have been great additions during an extremely rough period in the club’s history.
We don’t want to overspend on rentals with a free agency period coming that we can actually stretch out in. Honestly, I prefer a GM who backs up his team and has some belief in their ability than selling the farm. We got two draft picks. For a team that needs to build up its system, that’s future insurance for the team in players and trades.
That comment about Garbutt is interesting.
Makes you think he is going to stay around for a while.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 3:58 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Yeah, he kinda sounded very enthusiastic about him
you could hear it in his voice
by Ol' Diamondback Sturgeon on Feb 27, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
So what do we think
about Joe admitting the last four games had an impact on his decision making? Seems like before the deadline pretty much everyone agreed to base decisions today on the recent streak would be folly.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 27, 2012 4:09 PM CST reply actions
if its true, im on the fire joe boat
if it’s lip service i don’t care
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 27, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
no im really not
but if A he turned down a hodgson for ott deal or B actually changed plans based on the last 4 games, then i am
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 27, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
You have no way of knowing what was offered
so it is foolish to think he had any deal that involved hodgson, the only deal I heard about for ott was getting steve mason and we definitely didn’t need him.
by Freelancer799 on Feb 27, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
no i don't and i fully acknowledge that
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 27, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
then how can you speculate wildly like you're doing?
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Seeing as how Vancouver traded Hodgson for Kassian
I think its safe to say that deal was never on the table.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 4:14 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
i don't understand how you can say that with confidence
kassian is buffalo’s problem child, and swapping him for hodgson probably makes vancouver a worse team NOW which is what matters to them i would think…
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 27, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
It's also a cap neutral deal
Unlike a deal for Ott.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 4:19 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Wouldn't ott have put vancouver over the cap anyway
for just hodgson which means they would have given up more
by Freelancer799 on Feb 27, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
they said on the tsn broadcast they only had 2 mil
by Freelancer799 on Feb 27, 2012 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
Because...
…they gave up draft picks for Pahlsson. Ott for Raymond (as they proposed earlier) would have been but a $0.40 M hit extra.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 27, 2012 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
We placed Ballard on LTIR yesterday
"Oh Ann, you beautiful spinster, I will find you love."
— Leslie Knope
Also...
With the Stars outright asking JVR, why would Joe not do the same with Hodgson?
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 4:20 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
how do you know it was?
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I don't think joe is concerned about the now so much as the future
He is putting together a very young and good team and with this year’s FA coming up and lots of money to spend and Gagliardi saying he wants to spend this team is on the upswing. He decides not to trade some core players that could help this team with lots of depth and yal want to fire him?
by Freelancer799 on Feb 27, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
i don't think ott is a core player
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 27, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
ott is a 30-40 point 3rd line faceoff stud, he is also 29 years old
i don’t think that is part of the benn/loui/daley/goligoski core and neither do our GM or owner
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 27, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
he's a core player plain and simple
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Even
Joe didn’t include him when mentioning core players, correct me if I’m wrong.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 27, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think he's core, but I think he can be an invaluable transition piece.
if that makes any sense.
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I disagree
He is one of our best defensive forwards, one of the best in the LEAGUE on the dot and draws fans, he is very much a core player
by Freelancer799 on Feb 27, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Core players have have to be 27 and younger
Its supranatural, you know, a higher level than supernatural
No they dont
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for us they do, be it doesnt matter now
becuase they will be around for awhile anyway
Its supranatural, you know, a higher level than supernatural
So then....Benn Larsen and Goligoski
Thats the core?
If that’s the core I quit.
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your a funny guy. you know quitters never win
Ive agreed that the core is benn, louis, goose, daley, larsen, and Kari(but i dont want to see him get more than a 4 year contract) I think Ott brings something to that group, but we shouldnt build around him.
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I was going to respond to this.
But I’ve learned my lesson for the day.
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its all good
I like learning something about hockey i didnt know yesterday
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I understand what you're saying about not building around Ott.
But it will be a few yrs before this team is ready to compete for a cup. You gotta have some vets on a team and Ott will be a veteran leader for the team.
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by T-rom on Feb 27, 2012 11:12 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I can see having that young a core
if you are committed to rebuilding through the draft. While we want to build up through the draft, I think Joe is targeting more a 2 year span. That makes Ott still relevant. Sounds like the plan is to get top end skill via free agency and fill it in with pieces we have here and Austin and maybe Austin next year.
Umm, this decision was all about the now. what lines are you reading between
Its supranatural, you know, a higher level than supernatural
Man alive.
You can’t execute or even start a long-term plan with no ownership. We’ve had an owner for 4 months.
We’ve been competitive the past two years with bottom-level spending. Have some frikin patience.
by FBI36th on Feb 27, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Man down
This impatience has been building for 4 years. Im sick of the ownership diatribe. How an the neck has Phoenix been doing it. Oh, wait they grabbed the coach we fired
Its supranatural, you know, a higher level than supernatural
Phoenix didn't have the success that Dallas did in the 90s and aughts.
Our ownership kept trying to ride that train until everyone retired. And then Hicks wanted to make an instantaneous change from defense to offense, changing the entire way our system operated. All of that resulted in a lack of current players that gelled, as well as an empty prospect pool. That’s why we are just now beginning to recover.
Whereas phoenix has been a consistent 1 and done team, because they cycle through players, keep the same system, and don’t spend a ton during free agency.
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Hiring Tipps was not advocating a change to Offense
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Well, TBH...
…Tippett was chosen because he was a PP specialist with the Kings. The hiring of Tips came concomitant with the acquisition of ex-Kings point-gunner in Boucher. We were 5th in PP with 18.9% (and PK too, with 85%) during his first year as coach in 2002-03. That squad truly was a cup-contender and the withering away of that squad with the departures of Hatcher and Sydor, and snake-bit seasons for Young, Modano, Kapanen, Guerin, probably led to a change in strategy, and might I say, he indeed did well with the above-average-to-average squad he was given post-lockout, even if it didn’t translate into playoff success (until 2008).
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 27, 2012 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
Hiring crow was a change to offense.
I said Phoenix kept the same system.
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Just not enough return
for Ott or Souray. Granted Souray is an UFA, but I think he’s been a decent pickup this season, albeit lately he’s been injured and stagnant. I think if we do make the playoffs he’ll be valuable for playoff experience, leadership, and toughness.
by darksidecowboy on Feb 27, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think it changed it as much
as some think it did. I think he’s just expressing faith in his team.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 4:12 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Not sure the winning changed plans as
much as a losing streak would have. I think thats what he meant. If they had dropped farther behind they probably move Souray, but maybe not Ott.
I'll have a big post tomorrow.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 5:28 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
What I think is hilarious
Is some people say Joe should be fired if Stars miss the playoffs while the others are saying he should be fired for potentially focusing on the playoffs and not trading off Steve Ott for players that would help in the future and not this season.
He can’t win.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 4:23 PM CST via Android app reply actions
the problem for me is the indecision... are we trying to make the playoffs or trying to build towards the future?
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 27, 2012 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
If the Stars had a $59 million payroll and had a similar Outlook...
Then I would agree. But not making a trade does not mean they aren’t committed for the future, because we have an entire summer and lots of cap room to do that as well.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 4:26 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
they just seem to have been stuck in neutral forever
it is frustrating as hell
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 27, 2012 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
can't it be both
Staying pat with a team that is in the hunt is trying to make the playoffs without sacrificing the future…
They’ve been stuck in neutral with no owner. I can’t blame Joe for this. With the money that he’s had, he’s put a competitive team on the ice every year.
Having no real owner for several years kind of causes you to be stuck in neutral
Not Joe’s fault
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
They were stuck in neutral for 3 years.
And we just got a new owner a few months ago. Gotta put it in first gear before you put it in 4th.
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people keep forgetting that Joe hasn't even had an offseason where he's able to spend any real money
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"because we have an entire summer and lots of cap room to do that as well."
…And that’s where I shall scrutinize him. IMO, no one in our drafted pool (Oleks, Nemeth, Smith A, Smith R, etc. etc.) is ready for the big-stage next season and Joe will have Benn’s, Larsen’s, Fistric’s, and Bachman’s extensions on his agenda, combined with the decision of extending Burish (prefer it), Petersen & Dvorak (could go both ways on these two), and Souray & Dowell (hopefully not). In the midst of these issues, I have to ask:
Can he add a player via UFA? (Will he be able to lure a good UFA should we miss the playoffs this year?)
Will he deal his 1st rounder to make a trade?
Will he deal a prospect that he drafted to bring in a player?
Either way, I’d better not hear the word #pesky ever again next season.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 28, 2012 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
resign Fistric. please dont. Id like to have burish & dvorak back.
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I guess were trying to do both, except we really didnt do anything to improve that future
Yes we got a 2nd & 5th. we see them in 4 years. and who woulda known Grosman was dragging us down
Its supranatural, you know, a higher level than supernatural
It's not like the Stars are locked into this roster for next season.
It’s not like this trade deadline was insanely busy and the Stars missed out. This was a boring as hell deadline where no one did anything.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
what else can the ones who wanted something happen do
I understand the reasons for standing Pat. Just dont like it
Its supranatural, you know, a higher level than supernatural
Im advocating firing Joe at all
I do question the scouting dept tho
Its supranatural, you know, a higher level than supernatural
The big movement day is before the draft now.
Has been that way for a few years. Not much at trade deadline unless you are in fire sale mode.
Then the only possible solution...
is to fire him at the end of the season for missing the playoffs then immediately hire him back as a vote of confidence in his long term outlook.
See problem solved…
I'm just happy that "FIRE JOE!" is totally back on!!
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
He's a GM
it’s his job to be hated no matter what he does!
I could never hate Joe
I can disagree vehemently with some things he does though.
Like apparently wanting to keep Souray around.
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Joe won't get fired.
That would be stupid! Would people rather sell the farm and completely rebuild? Or mortgage the future for one or two players and a short playoff run? Come on people…patience! Free agency is when things should happen. With the players we have coming up in the next couple of years, one or two big signings and we’ll be right where we need to be!
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He might just want a new pool I'm not sure.
by FBI36th on Feb 27, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I was gonna wait till tomorrow to tell you all this, but what the heck
With this bonus check…I’m putting in a swimming pool!!
That’s it!! THAT’S THE BIG ONE!!
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
Zach Parise, please.
Moneywhip the hell out him.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 4:27 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
That's one signing
I really want for the Stars.
Can't afford both
unless at least one of Ribeiro or Morrow is shipped out.
I’ve Capgeeked it before and couldn’t make it work.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 27, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
it might work
with what we’ve heard about morrows back/neck he may be finished, if thats the case i say have at it with parise and suter and welcome to the benn captaincy era…
by the way worst e-news ever...
by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 27, 2012 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
We're going to have about 20 million in cap space even with the Benn extension...
how can we not afford both?
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-$1,641,667
So minus this much, although the cap may go enough to put them right on it. Guessing some with the roster, some spots at the bottom might be different and correct me on some of the salaries to RFA’s/UFA’s, but I think $7 mil apiece would be less than what Parise and Suter would require.
FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Jamie Benn ($5.500m) / Loui Eriksson ($4.250m)
Brenden Morrow ($4.100m) / Mike Ribeiro ($5.000m) / Michael Ryder ($3.500m)
Eric Nystrom ($1.400m) / Vernon Fiddler ($1.800m) / Steve Ott ($2.950m)
Adam Burish ($1.150m) / Ryan Garbutt ($0.590m) / Tomas Vincour ($0.800m)
Colton Sceviour ($0.525m) / Matt Fraser ($0.576m)
DEFENSEMEN
Alex Goligoski ($4.600m) / Philip Larsen ($1.500m)
Ryan Suter ($7.000m) /Trevor Daley ($3.300m)
Mark Fistric ($1.000m) /Stephane Robidas ($3.300m)
/ Adam Pardy ($2.000m)
GOALTENDERS
Kari Lehtonen ($3.550m) / Richard Bachman ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,941,667; BONUSES: $170,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): -$1,641,667
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 27, 2012 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
I think he's played as good as fistric. maybe better
and im always waiting for fistric to pull a grosskenen turnover now
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Yeah, that sounds about right.
Depending on the CBA… But if it continues like it is now, it should increase enough.
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Oh my, this looks so good.
I’m still trying to figure out how adding three players suddenly puts the Stars at the limit….
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
the 11 million increase for benn and goose i think.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
I don't think the Stars go from bottom payroll
To salary cap hell in one season either.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
While we're openly fantasizing here...
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS
Loui Eriksson ($4.250m) / Jamie Benn ($4.500m) / Scott Glennie ($1.620m)
Michael Ryder ($3.500m) / Mike Ribeiro ($5.000m) / Pierre-Alexandre Parenteau ($3.250m)
Brenden Morrow ($4.100m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($5.000m) / Steve Ott ($2.950m)
Eric Nystrom ($1.400m) / Vernon Fiddler ($1.800m) / Tomas Vincour ($0.800m)
/ Ryan Garbutt ($0.590m) / Matt Fraser ($0.576m)
DEFENSEMEN
Alex Goligoski ($4.600m) / Stephane Robidas ($3.300m)
Trevor Daley ($3.300m) / Philip Larsen ($1.250m)
Ryan Suter ($6.000m) / Mark Fistric ($0.800m)
/ Patrik Nemeth ($0.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Kari Lehtonen ($3.550m) / Richard Bachman ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,587,167; BONUSES: $1,030,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $712,833
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
thats sexy
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Looks good but
Parenteau and Suter will get more than that.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 27, 2012 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
do you think that Glennie will make the team next season?
I like the Grabovski addition, but I don’t know about Parenteau… could be another good one year, bad the next signing. I really wanted us to get Fleishman last summer, but that didn’t happen, unfortunately.
Parise, Grabovski and a physical, 2-way defenseman please.
by Chris Barnard on Feb 27, 2012 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
Throw everything you can at him,. IMO.
I know some people think he needs to go to Minny bc he is from there, but he has Stars ties, too.
They need to sell him hard on life in Dallas. I mean, the weather is sure better.
I think Joe gets a full season with an owner before he gets fired
Maybe even 2
by imacdane on Feb 27, 2012 4:36 PM CST via mobile reply actions
he better
He knows what he is doing people just need patience
by Freelancer799 on Feb 27, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
Gaglardi was obviously involved in the no trades decision...
So the ‘Fire Joe’ people can shut up, unless they also want to fire our new owner.
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I think this as well.
He has admittedly be excited about the trade deadline in the weeks leading up to today. I believe he was probably involved in the whole process today and gave his two cents about the serious offers Joe mentioned. I think Tom is firmly supporting Joe.
Joe has managed to build a team who competes for the playoffs each year and began rebuilding our prospect pool, all with zero dollars
So, yes, naturally not making a knee jerk trade this year should have him fired if we miss the playoffs again.
Joe knows what it takes to win in this league a lot more than anyone on the “fire joe” campaign and a lot more than most NHL GMs. He has consistently made decisions based on building a winning menaltiy for the future of this franchise.
Chill. The Jean Dujardin. Out.
It just struck me
that this wouldve been a good day to break out the GM’s Prayer. Who has it?
I don’t think the Stars have made the playoffs since DBD was founded :-)
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who's hating. just because some of us dont share the same views as the majority
Doesnt mean we dont love or have as much passion as ya’ll do. All you do is sound like an elitest.
Its supranatural, you know, a higher level than supernatural
So you're saying I can't voice my opinion either without sounding like an "elitest"?
I’d say there are many who have been giving Joe a hard time today out of speculation. None of it really matters anyways, it is what it is. And that statement was more of a joke than anything else.
Ok guys....let's get this under control right now.
I know it’s been an emotional week so I’ve let some things go, but we do not allow personal attacks here at DBD. Feel free to debate opinions and argue over the Stars, but as soon as name calling happens it’s going too far.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
GM Joe
I dont think the guy can hire a coach to save his life. However, given the monetary problems of this team, he did best he could get. I think it would be CRAZY to fire him.
Gulutzan has been quite good.
Keep in mind he is a rookie head coach. He’s doin just fine.
But yes, Crawford was a train wreck.
crawford was one game away from having us in the playoffs
as much as i disliked crawford i don’t think you can call that a trainwreck…
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 27, 2012 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
Jerk, maybe. Trainwreck? Iffy
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Lost his locker room.
Shoot out practice before win and your in game.
Maybe “trainwreck” isn’t the correct word, but he wasn’t good. Next time I’ll be politically correct.
i don't think the whole shoot out thing is as bad as people make it out to be....
especially if richards was bagging it like crawford said today
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 27, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
It probably isn't.
But it’s just an icing on the cake kind of thing in my mind. His personnel decisions and seeming inability to get his team ready for big games was why I disliked him.
Gulutzan has been loads better. Besides Petersen quarterbacking the PP. Shudder.
What did he say today?
I was watching Sportsnet…
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 5:42 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
he basically said that richards bagged it after the deadline last year
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 27, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
although im not sure how 14? points in 16 games was bagging it
and richards was always bad defensively
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 27, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
He didn't need a 'concussion' thing
he had a NTC
He didn't play very well at all.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 5:49 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
i remember thinking that
but 14 points in 16 games really isn’t bad
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 27, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
I chalk Crawford's comments about
Richards as looking for a scapegoat. Blame anyone but meeeeee!!!!!
I DIDNT RUN HIM INTO THE GROUND TO THE DETRIMENT OF EVERYONE ELSE
HE DEMANDED IT THEN DOGGED IT WHILE CONCUSSED LOLOLOLOL
Troll
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Tippett
I am still upset about that one. Look how good of a coach he is…that team in Phoenix is no better than us on paper. He is a damn good coach and I still don’t quite know why he was let go. One year removed from a Western Conference Finals run. Oh well, cant dwell on that.
Blame Hicks for that, not Joe.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 5:30 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I dont follow
How does that have to do with Hicks? Joe fired him. Was this an economical move?
Hicks caused global warming. And the housing crisis.
Therefore, he can be blamed for pretty much EVERYTHING
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by Jere's Golden Laces on Feb 27, 2012 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
He hired Nieuwendyk to make changes, not to do nothing.
He wanted a new coach and he hired Nieuwendyk to start that process. He wanted a new direction for the team and then swept the rug out from under Nieuwendyk when he took away his money.
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I am not sure I but that one.
He wanted a new direction and hired a new a new GM. I think saying that he made Joe fire him is a reach, IMO. He did sweep the rug from underneath him. I am still not completely sold on the Neal trade either, but thats a different story.
I'd rather go
the young couch route than a retread.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 27, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
I would have rather gone Kirk Muller
Still wanna know why he wasnt the choice. anyone?
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he was interviewed by all the teams that needed a coach
that was generally what was reported by the GM’s and he ended up with nashvilles AHL affiliate before carolina hired him
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 27, 2012 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
Well Carolina will reap the benefits for years to come.
they are already are. Just look at the turnaround in Staal for case in point
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Staal...
is doing worse this year than last Pts/Game pace wise. Is already a another -5 over last year, and Carolina is a sub .500 team. The only team in the NHL they’re doing better than is the CBJs. I’m not sure it’s turning anything around just yet.
by Brandon Harrison on Feb 28, 2012 7:30 AM CST up reply actions
Staal
has turned it on lately though is what he’s saying.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 28, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
Think
him never being a head coach even in the AHL had something to do with it.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 27, 2012 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
Other than NHL playing experience what plus is there for Muller over Gulutzan?
Both are relative unknowns coaching wise.
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because he's been around the NHL for along time.
But its all awash. like i said, Carolina is happy he wasnt a nhl coach, and Gully is fitting in nicely here
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Dale Hunter was around the NHL a long time
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but he's proved he's a complete tool. Was he even an assistant coach.
Muller at least was an assistant for a few years. he learned on the job
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Hunter was one of the most successful junior coaches in the business iirc
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 27, 2012 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
well he is a disaster. thats the long & short of it
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Yep
And hes an abortion in the NHL
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by Josh Lile on Feb 27, 2012 8:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha that gets funnier everytime i read it
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I'm not sure how many posters here can honestly second guess GM Joe . . .
I know I certainly cannot!
And I was one of those that moaned loudest about not resigning Mo, but GM Joe was right. I thought we owed Mo’s loyalty a roster spot for one more year and I still don’t like it that he wore that ugly red uniform, but GM Joe was right.
GM Joe has made some brilliant moves for this team (see Lehts, Pardy excluded) and I have come to trust his decisions. Joe knows hockey and Joe knows hockey players, And, knowing that, I believe he has his reasons for the decisions he makes and the owner, I assume, trusts him, too.
I think we all need to trust in GM Joe and reflect on what he has done with no money and let’s see what he can do this summer with money in his checkbook.
Unless, of course, you can convince Tom Gaglardi that you would be a smarter, better GM than Joe.
yeah giving barchy the raise instead of the 1 year deal for MO.
UGH!! but whats done is done. I never saw MO in a wings uni anyways
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The Barch raise was not tied to Modano.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
this I know
but it wasnt money well spent, and it used up money for other things
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Which must instantly mean instead of Modano?
Having some difficulty following your logic
I didnt say they were tied together
but one affected the other
Its supranatural, you know, a higher level than supernatural
No they didn't
Modano’s move had nothing to do with money.
well that doesnt make it any better to take
Its supranatural, you know, a higher level than supernatural
No ... but it wasn't money related
It was hockey related. And I’m a huge Mo fan, one of my favorites all time. Have his jersey. Went to every playoff home game in 98 and 99. Thought Mo should have been Conn Smyth winner. And I’m firmly convinced Mo would have thrown down a Selanne type final year but for that freak skate cut injury. But he just didn’t fit here anymore and Benn needed the ice.
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morrow
Will he play this season? Is there a timeframe for his rehab?
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Starts skating this week, supposedly.
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I just dont understand how he can go through all the cortizone shots....
He showed a progression of how they steadily did not work until it got to the point where it was just not feasible to take them anymore….the only other course would be surgery on the effected area. I had a dog that had to be retired cause almost the same story….sad…he is no longer with us..I miss him…
"Only the dead have seen the end of war" Plato
Quite a few.
Some multiple times- especially the trade Richards one.
whatever!! for some of us older fans, he was the reason we are and became Stars fans.
Respect your elders young man
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I just think of it along the lines of Rice going to the raiders. Somethings should just never be
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Yes, yes I am.
And I don;t know when i didn’t respect my elders. I just said that the “We should have traded Richards” horse had been beat. To death. Several times.
Love Richie or hate him, he had a NTC and didn’t waive it. Nothing else Dallas could have done with that.
It is what it is.
and im sick of the Richards stuff like everyone else. Its not even fun to reply to it even
Its supranatural, you know, a higher level than supernatural
that was supposed to be about the Mo quote. I actually agree with with Her most of the time then
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That makes sense then
I think many of us are Stars fans bc of Modano. Nothing wrong with that all.
Wait
Older fans became fans because of Richards?
Jesus….some of us must be ancient….
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I don't think we rehashed the "we let modano sign with the wings" one yet.
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we can certainly get on that
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by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 27, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
"Hockey in the south will never work"
“The Earth is flat”
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Lord help me, but my brother, who lives in Austin
and hates hockey tries to give me that. Like WTF?
He doesn’t even like the sport. Why does he care if the Stars left Minnesota? It’s not like he had ties to them there.
He lived in Austin when they moved.
Modano captinacy?
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He smokes how much?
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This portion of the thread is so great, I forgot to 'z' them while reading.
got to read them a second time.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
And your post let me read them again!
The perfect summation of the day.
hit the 'z' on your keyboard to go through comments.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
K I hit z and nothing happened
never heard of such a thing?! :-/
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 28, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
go to a thread with a lot of unread comments.
It takes you to the next one, and unmarks the previous for you.
Extremely useful in GDTs
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Super neato
I’ll see if I can get it to work..guess this one didn’t have any unread for me when I hit z.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 28, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
When you leave a thread all the posts are marked as read.
So when you come back and notice there are 4 new posts, z will take you directly to those posts.
If the Stars are truly focused on adding big in free agency
then not moving players like Ott, Ribeiro, and Souray might demonstrate that this team won’t just send you packing the first chance they get. Free agents might like that.
I'm glad GMJN didn't do anything
You don’t make a trade just to say you made a trade. He asked for JVR and most likely Hodgson for Ott. He’s atleast trying to get good players and make a difference on this team.
Can’t wait for July 1st.
Yes, I say save it for this summer and throw tons of cash and the good ones....Parise?
"Only the dead have seen the end of war" Plato
Even though I have been advocating making moves
and I am frustrated that we didn’t at least unload some aging soon to be UFAs, I think the Fire Joe talk is ridiculous.
He absolutely deserves a chance to put together a team with actual ownership behind him- something he has never had before.
While Hodgson or JVR would have been nice, if they weren’t available to us (as seems to be the case), then nothing we can do. You can’t force a a team to make a deal.
I am okay with waiting until summer to make the big splash but the splash needs to be coming. That doesn’t mean I burn my fan card if we don’t land Parise and Suter, but this team needs to look different next season. I expect them to be very active in FA agency, and if they aren’t, then I may be on the Fire Joe bandwagon.
But he at least deserves an off season with cash and an owner. to try to build a team.
well....duh
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
and
they think this place is full of idiots. There’s actually talk on a thread about how DBD thinks HF Stars fans are idiots and HF thinks DBD Stars fans are idiots.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 27, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
Ok, lets be fair here.
I don’t think we’ve ever said that HF Stars fans are idiots. I don’t know them to be able to say so. All I’ve heard is how someone posting a link to DBD was suddenly said to lose any credibility because they linked to my site.
What I don’t like is the endless trade proposals on HF Boards that somehow turn into “legit” trade rumors that people are sending me emails and messages about on Twitter…“I’m hearing that Morrow might be traded for Steve Montador, is that true?”
That’s my stance.
Now….the thing is I have no control over who comments here, so there’s that. People are entitled to their opinion.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I really don't care about it all that much.
One reason I started DBD was because of how opinions would be attacked hardcore anytime it was different than someone else’s.
Of course, we’ve gotten so big that now it’s tough to make sure opinions are debated but it doesn’t get personal…..but it happens. We need to get control of that.
And I really don’t think HF Stars fans are that bad. It’s HF Boards in general that I have a problem with.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
If you're going back over there, take this. Might come in handy.

I don’t think the Stars have made the playoffs since DBD was founded :-)
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So I am a little confused...
If Vancouver wanted Ott. And ended up trading Hodgson(also reportedly because of a coach/player rift) Why wasn’t he available to the Stars? If I am Vancouver I want Ott over Zassian for a playoff run…no question. I know cap needs to be considered and everything…but I just don’t understand.
Ask Vancouver.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 27, 2012 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
Yah, I wish I could
I mean like Hodgson is not the toughness they want. But really as of right now they are a worse team than they were yesterday. Which is all well and good IMO, I hope they flame out in the 2nd round.
they can score, thats not there problem. They wanted to get more D with paulsson
and bigger and tougher with Kassian. Its that simple man, and they saved some money
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Guess
they’d rather have Paulsson and Kassian over just Ott.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 27, 2012 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
It all depends on how they grade players.
And the cap hit could have been a big deal with them. They only cleared space with LTIR. Also some clubs really don’t want to trade in same division/conf either so they don’t have to face the guy a bunch of times or the fans are not constantly reminded of how they screwed up.
I didnt want Ott going to a WC team thats for sure
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Plus Pahlsson is a UFA
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Not disputing any of those points...
I am saying it was common knowledge they wanted Ott. And IMO Ott makes them a better team NOW, for their cup run. That is my only question, how Hodgson was not on the table in the Ott negotiations. The more I think about the situation Zassian is a good deal for them long term, but they are a team you would expect to do everything possible to ramp up for the postseason.
Good on the GM today
Not being hasty and overpaying or depleting the roster.
I think the personnel we have right now is just fine.
It comes to a point when the players have to do the talking and I think the Stars have a very capable roster. There are many other better teams out there but it is what it is.
I feel the GM will be more active in the off season once the pickings are little better.
I’m excited about the remainder of the season. The Stars have shown they can produce some good games.
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st. louis is up on calgary too
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 27, 2012 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
Avs are winning though.
That kinda hurts, though I am less worried about them than LA.
The Hockey gods are happy!
Thank goodness we didn’t need to make a sacrifice!
The numbers say that
but always wary of pulling for the hot team. Not to mention it is the freakin Ducks. But any opponent of my closest foe is my friend in a playoff push.
You guys want to start doing scoreboard watching threads on off nights?
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I'm up for it.
I’m always watching other scores, both for fantasy purposes as well as how it impacts Dallas.
































