2012 NHL Trade Deadline: Should Dallas Stars Consider Trading Mike Ribeiro or Steve Ott?
Yesterday, Pierre LeBrun of ESPN let loose with an interesting tidbit on his blog, stating that Steve Ott and Mike Ribeiro have become the target of interest from several teams in the NHL. While this sort of news is far from surprising this time of year -- I'm sure teams are calling inquiring all sorts of players this week -- he let it be known that GM Joe Nieuwendyk didn't exactly state that the two forwards are strictly on the "no trade list".
None more so in the Stars' dressing room than Steve Ott and Mike Ribeiro, both of whom have heard their names in the rumor mill. And indeed, sources confirmed to ESPN.com that the Stars have gotten calls on both and would consider moving them for the right deal.
Now, the language is vague and the implication very broad. Of course Nieuwendyk would consider moving either of them for "the right deal", something you could say about nearly every team in the NHL. With the exception of a handful of players across the league, most players could certainly be had if the right offer came along -- especially for a team like the Stars who are certainly looking to build for the future.
Of course, for the right deal, it would be hard to pass up on making the move but just how important would trading one of the two players be for the future of the team, and how would their departure affect the Stars in the short term? Let us know how you feel in the poll after the jump.
To be clear, the Dallas Stars are NOT actively shopping Mike Ribeiro or Steve Ott. That is not what is going on here. What LeBrun is implying is that a few teams have inquired about their availability and the Stars haven't exactly hung up the phone, completely closed off the possibility of a trade. So what that turns into is "for the right deal, Ribeiro or Ott could be traded."
What's the right deal, however? As we approach the deadline, it's obvious that the market this season could certainly be rich. Steve Downie was essentially traded for a first-round draft pick by the Tampa Bay Lightning and while Downie is a decent young player, it's tough to think he's worth a first rounder (technically it was Kyle Quincey that was traded for the 1st - semantics).
Today, Antoine Vermette was traded by the Blue Jackets for a 2012 2nd round pick and a 2013 3rd Round pick. It could certainly be argued that Vermette is worth more than what Columbus got in return, so trying to determine what the value of a player like Ribeiro or Ott would be is tough.
It's undeniable that the potential for a significant return for Ott or Ribeiro is certainly worth it, although such a trade would likely center around prospects and draft picks. For a team like the Stars, who need players to help the NHL roster sooner than later, acquiring picks and prospects is grand but not a solution for their short-term issues. Then again, those extra picks and prospects could be used to make a big splash -- like a trade for Jeff Carter, for example.
The impact of trading Steve Ott would be interesting, as Ott is easily the fan favorite on the team. He's heavily marketed by the Stars, he's the most outspoken and public player on the team and his leadership on the ice is valuable when used correctly. Mike Ribeiro, whose defensive struggles are well known, is still an offensive playmaker capable of having a significant impact on the Stars.
Joe Nieuwendyk has to be smart about this and all indications are that he's looking to the future, not just this season. It could be argued that Ott has a much more significant future with the Stars while Ribeiro's time is likely coming to an end. There's also the fact that Ribeiro's limited NTC and hefty salary could make trading him difficult, while Ott has no such limitations.
How do you feel? We've talked about a lot of trade scenarios and plans lately, but this seems to be credible proof that the Stars are at least open the possibility of trading some very well-liked players. Would this be too far for fans, or would the potential return make the trade worth it? Let us know in the poll.
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the Jackets also got a goalie out of the Vermette deal, and the 2nd pick is a 5th rounder that ups to a 4th if the ’yotes win a playoff series.
That "goalie" is Curtis McElhinney
He’s not going to play for the rest of the season. And he’s an AHL guy at best.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 22, 2012 1:19 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Yea I found some other stuff on it
Says he’s injured for season AND is on the last year of his contract. Was included because Phoenix was already at the 50 contract limit
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 3:03 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I have way too much money invested
in Otter merch for him to go.
Traded vetoed.
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I'd prefer to not trade them
however, if it’s a good deal that doesn’t cripple us and has good upside it’s something you have to consider.
Also I would take issue with the idea that Ribeiro has “well known defensive struggles”. That’s a label as well worn and inaccurate as the diving label is now. He’s grown and matured his game in Dallas, and I don’t believe either of those labels are warranted. He’ll never win a Selke, but he’s not a liability. And he’s shown effectiveness on the PK over the past few years. If face-off ability were the only criteria of defensive aptitude, then I’d absolutely agree.
We have seen this season that unless Ribeiro has majority of offensive zone starts
Then he and his line struggle mightily defensively. The scoring chance data we have seen this season backs that up.
I think his offense helps to cover that up, the majority of the time. But to pretend he is not defensively suspect would be wrong.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 22, 2012 1:24 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
He sucks defensively and doesn't drive possession.
I wouldn’t push him out the door. He has offensive ability so if he is managed properly in game then his defensive limitations are masked somewhat. A lot of his problem is in transition though, which is why you see him getting some PK minutes lately. He’s brutal in transition defensively.
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by Jere's Golden Laces on Feb 22, 2012 1:24 PM CST reply actions
To be fair, LeBrun has a lot of contacts.
I trust him, for the most part.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 22, 2012 1:28 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
At least LeBrun is not writing the stuff like EJ Hradek for nhl.com
From his today’s article: “I think Goligoski is marginally better than Niskanen. On average, he’s playing approximately 4:20 more per night. But the Stars gave up an All-Star left wing to make that upgrade.” Just WOW
without mentioning the fact he is playing with the best player on the planet
We know how much better goose is than niskanen. It’s unfair to goose to mention them in the same sentence. And James Neal would not have 30 goals for the stars
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 2:07 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
^THIS
Exactly what I was going to say.
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So true...
Hell, I’d probably good for a dozen and I’m most certainly on the downside of my NHL career…
Wut.
I can’t even begin to comprehend this statement.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 22, 2012 2:07 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
who's
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 2:10 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Hradek.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 22, 2012 2:21 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
He's no DVO
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by Jere's Golden Laces on Feb 22, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
I read that same article and felt like I was being trolled by Hradek.
I bet we could have done Neal for Goligoski straight up, but Niskanen was so bad for us Nieuwendyk probably forced the Pens to take him off our hands.
Like Erin Bolen said in her article earlier today, you can't really consider trading anyone until you figure out what you're getting back.
Only then can you figure out if it’s worth trading them or not.
But that's
a no brainer. Of course GMJN isn’t going to put on a blindfold and have the other team’s GM hold the names of picks/players in a hat with him reaching in and that determines the deal.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 22, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
Would be sad If Ott would go, but if your team isn't winning, stuff like this might go down.
I have been very lucky with my favorites…
I liked Neal, didn’t love him.
I liked Niskanen, didn’t love him.
I loved Turco, but his time was done.
I Love Daley, I only liked Grossman.
Just like I choose Benn before Neal. I Choose Ott before Morrow, but Morrow is not going anywhere, and we have this moment here.
I like Ribs, but if he goes, he goes… I just think that “the right trade” isn’t very easy to find.
What is it good for? Absolutely everything.
And these trades have just been the latest ones.
What is it good for? Absolutely everything.
by Henri Muroke on Feb 22, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
Both imo... There great and all but
T’s obvious to me at this point that things just aren’t going to happen with the ott/morrow/Ribeiro/Robi core and we’re going to need to move on
We need to turn the roster over from the 30 somethings to the 20 somethings
More than anything we need talented young players… I hope this Carter stuff happens because it would really put us in to a position to flip ribs
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 22, 2012 1:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions
"I hope this Carter stuff happens because it would really put us in to a position to flip ribs"
Errrr…no. Different skill-sets. Carter is a shoot-first guy and Ribs is a playmaker. If anything, Carter slips into no.1 C with two of Eriksson/Benn/Ryder on his wings and works his game around his wingers feeding him. Ribs, as usual, gets the odd guy out (Ryder, most likely) and Ott.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 22, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
I agree.
Being able to add someone like Carter to our current top six would be optimal. Right now a Ribeiro style player is something we don’t have a lot of, so I don’t see him going anywhere without a large sum coming back this way.
by Travis Drybread 2 on Feb 22, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
A center is a center
Who ever said you need a playmaking one… You just need to put him with the right wingers
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 22, 2012 1:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Eriksson/carter and benn/ryder would be a pretty damn good 1/2 punch
If eriksson/Carter meshed
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 22, 2012 1:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ribeiro between Eriksson and Carter would look good to me.
Ribs loves to set guys up. Those two with him would be a really nice looking line.
If you could have them all, you would definitely rather do that than jettison Ribs because you got Carter.
by Travis Drybread 2 on Feb 22, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with your statement too...
…but I’d rather not consider the acquisition of Carter being construed as Ribeiro being expendable. Ribeiro is a solid playmaker and arguably the best we have and I’d rather Benn moved to his natural LW position and give us an added option on the face-off on the top line.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 22, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
Im just saying we need to move past ribeiro/morrow etc
And Carter would facilitate that nicely although I don’t want to get my hopes up
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 22, 2012 2:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And I am saying that....
…you don’t need to “move past _______” if it’s just for the sake of doing it. I’d rather we keep Ribeiro till his term ends IF it can benefit us. A better sniper on his wing than Morrow can help his game and our fortunes next season.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 22, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
This.
If he had a sniper on his wing, his numbers would look much better than they do.
He’s the same guy he was when he got around 80 points a few seasons ago. Just need to surround him with the right guys again.
by Travis Drybread 2 on Feb 22, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
Yes but flipping ribeiro wh
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 22, 2012 2:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
After acquirng carter Allows you to get younger and better while not destroying the farm
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 22, 2012 2:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What I'm getting at is that I'd rather swap Souray or Robidas to add more prospects to the farm if we're chasing Carter.
Ribeiro is not an asset we have a lot of.
by Travis Drybread 2 on Feb 22, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
Robidas is much less replaceable.
Even if you assume the Stars prospect dmen will turn out (huge if), they take longer to develop than forwards.
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I meant Souray more than Robi
Felt like I needed an additional guy to increase the strength of the keep ribeiro argument.
by Travis Drybread 2 on Feb 22, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see how we can potentially "destroy the farm."
that’s just hyperbole. Carter will require a prospect or two from our system, but that’s not akin to “destroying” the farm. And also, if we acquire Carter, we should look to make the playoffs this season, IMO. In such a scenario, it’s better we retain Ribeiro rather than deal him (or wait till the off-season to do so). There’s no guarantee that dealing him immediately after we acquire Carter will give us a return that can fill for him. It’s most likely good prospects than roster players.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 22, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
Outside of Benn, Ribeiro is our only playmaking center.
I don’t trade him unless the return is very high or we make up for his absence with another trade.
by Travis Drybread 2 on Feb 22, 2012 1:33 PM CST reply actions
Seems like it was just last week
we were talking about how Ribs’ trade value wasn’t going to get us much in return.
Not earth-shattering or anything, but with his highlight reel goal against the Flamers on ESPN’s top 10, and the attention he received last night in Montreal, I have to think his trade value is as high as it’s going to be for some time.
I’m feeling there’s a Ribs trade being discussed currently.
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I think it depends on what you get back
No point in trading them just to trade them, if the Stars feel like they can get fair value for them then trade them, if not then keep them both.
by chris1989 on Feb 22, 2012 1:49 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Seeing that we got a 2nd and 3rd for Grossman.
Only getting a 2nd and 5th for a pretty dang good center (vermette) makes Joe look pretty good.
Ribeiro’s got his issues, but his skill with the puck makes him more valuable than anyone that’s already been traded and probably most of the current market…outside of that Columbus debacle.
I wouldn’t even know where to start with a trade speculation for Ribs, but I think someone a little offensively-challenged would give up a hefty penny to retain his services this year and next. We’ll see.
keep ribs, flip Ott
I think Otts effectiveness on this team is questionable rt now. He is the quintessential 3rd line checker/agitator. I notice him less n less on the ice except when its for bonehead stuff. I think otter could really help a contender in his rightful role.
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 2:02 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
He could play his rightful role if we had an entire top six.
by Travis Drybread 2 on Feb 22, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Travis? What happened with your other account?
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 22, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Work blocked Facebook, which is what I connected through before.
So now, if I’m ever on my secondary account, it’s because I’m at work.
by Travis Drybread 2 on Feb 22, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
Ah okay
Isn’t there a way to unlink that?
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 22, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
I'm really not sure.
It just happened today so I just did my best to work around it using gmail.
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thas the hardest part about breaking up
having to say goodbye.
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How is it that TODAY we agree on everything?
If we’re going to trade one of the two then we have to acknowledge one of our major problems is a top six forward. Out of the two of them there’s really only one that’s truly a top six forward and that’s Ribs. I love Ott and I would hate to see him go. Ideally I’d love to keep both and just add someone to the mix. If I have to choose though that’s how I would come down on it.
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you can find players like Ott during FA
It’s hard to find a top 6 C, and I don’t know of any who will be free agents this summer
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 7:20 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'd be able to handle a Ribeiro trade a lot better than an Ott trade
Ott is one of those guys that I’d really like to see him remain a Star. I think, even though the Stars are working toward getting younger, they’ll still need some veteran voices and leaders, and he should be one of them.
That said, I can see how he would be very intriguing to several other teams.
by WingnutInStarsCountry on Feb 22, 2012 2:40 PM CST reply actions
The only veterans I'm interested in retaining are the good role models.
I don’t think Ribs is the kind of role model we want rubbing off on the kids.
He's got a lot of fire when he puts his mind to it.
I’d love to see his stickhandling rub off on the kids.
by Travis Drybread 2 on Feb 22, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
When EA creates dekes for the NHL games they should turn to Ribs.
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by T-rom on Feb 22, 2012 2:46 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
explain this
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 2:56 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don't think Mike Ribeiro is a good role model for the prospects to learn from.
Specifically, the fancy stuff he does, his lack of defensive ability, his faceoff ability, how he spends his down time, etc. I’d be much more comfortable with a player like Robidas taking a young player under his wing than Ribs.
has there been any reports of Ribs being a bd apple in dallas
the guy drives me crazy sometimes, but i know what he brings to the table. He’s played with a bum knee and much line shaking. a better dallas team and he would b on his way to another 70-80 points. Arent we trying to get a guy like that through trades or free agency
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I don't think there's any doubt Ribs makes us a better team by being on it right now.
For a team that needs offense so badly, it’s kind of scary to think about them without Ribs, assuming they don’t get a roster player back for him in a trade.
which is why i dont think Joe will get the rt value for Ribs in a trade
it would have to be a young C in retun, who we could automatically plug into our 2nd line
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exactly, which is why i dont even know why ribs name comes up
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Mike Ribeiro is one of the hardest working guys on the ice each and every practice.
I don’t see why he would not be a good role model.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 22, 2012 6:41 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Like I said, Nieuwendyk and Gulutzan may not be comfortable with the fancy way Ribs approaches the game.
Stars won the Cup with Brett Hull.
He was about as flashy as they come.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 22, 2012 7:15 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
His flashiness isn't a problem. Neither is his work ethic.
He’s a defensive liabiltiy though.
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I have seen him make some plays backchecking
and he seems to do good work on the pk. Nobody will mistake him for a Selke candidate though.
My biggest issues is the turnovers around our blue line or center ice. I can live with turnovers trying to make a play in our offensive end where they still have 150+ feet to go and several Stars to get through.
can't change what he does. and he's pretty good at it
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 7:23 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Carolina usually can keep it's core.
Players really like the area, I think.
What is it good for? Absolutely everything.
by Henri Muroke on Feb 22, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
If I'm paying that much I'll just go for Hemsky or Grabovski
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Grabovski
will get paid more. Hemsky who knows since he’s so injury prone. Rather have Ruutu than Hemsky for that reason alone.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 22, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Ruutu isn't half the player Hemsky is.
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That's an exaggeration
They’ve played about the same amount of NHL games and Ruutu actually has a higher GPG average. Hemsky higher overall points. Just very different styled players.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 22, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
Hemsky has played the toughest minutes for a terrible Oilers team for years.
Ruutu plays cupcake minutes, and doesn’t drive the offense the way Hemsky does. Give Hemsky the Ruutu cupcake minutes and his results are significantly better.
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I think a lot of teams would take Hemsky in a heartbeat
but I think the Oilers are asking too much right now
I never thought that he would be a good target.
Just one guy less in market, that is already thin.
What is it good for? Absolutely everything.
by Henri Muroke on Feb 22, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Good for them, but they have to change something though, don't they?
They can’t just go into next season with the same roster, right? And neither can we for that matter…
that Carolina roster looks pretty dangerous next year
they have a lot of young talent coming up
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Hell Yes
Trade them both. Now, don’t ship them out for a sixth round pick but any fair offer should be accepted. Even better if someone made an offer that was lopsided in Dallas’ favor. Now, this can be seen as hindsight and it partially is but Newy should have traded Richards at the deadline. I understand the concussion may have prevented a deal but it is also possible for them to have gotten some assets and with a team needing assets he would have been a golden piece to get assets for.
NO. TRADE. CLAUSE.
Richards literally REFUSED to be moved, for anything.
Enough with the “joe should have traded him” already please.
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its not like (According to NY Media)
joe had a deal lined up and richards decided not to waive or anything
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 22, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
the Rangers tried to low ball Joe
Knowing they were prob going to get him in the summer. It was the worst kept secret once july 1st hit
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 3:00 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
That Richards stuff will never end.
What is it good for? Absolutely everything.
by Henri Muroke on Feb 22, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
Reportedly
Who knows what actually happened because I don’t think that there was a big push to move him. Also, everyone with a no trade clause can be bought out of that clause.
bought out?
you don’t know what your talking about
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So you choose to ignore those "reports" coming from the "news"
because you don’t feel like they wanted to bother with it? What sources do you have? Eklunds?
And you discount what media outlets say, because you think your opinion is factual, and expect us to side with you on it?
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by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 22, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds like it to me.
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That's news to me.
I think you’re mis-remembering things.
by disposablehero on Feb 22, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
The reports that came out afterwards indicate otherwise.
Brad himself said he didn’t want to hurt a team he was traded to.
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Nope that's exactly what he said.
Joe couldn’t have flipped him no matter how bad he would have wanted to.
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How are we still talking about this?
Is this guy new or something?
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he didn't want to be traded. that's that
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 2:55 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
You know how they do it...
What is it good for? Absolutely everything.
by Henri Muroke on Feb 22, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
Rumors

Sigh…
After-rumors… Le sigh.
What is it good for? Absolutely everything.
by Henri Muroke on Feb 22, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
If we trade one of them, I'd rather it be Ott.
I know Ribs is older and costs more, which might be an argument for trading him, but I think we really need his offensive playmaking ability.
While I like Ott well enough, but he’s not contributing offense. He’s just hitting the post. And he still takes too many penalties.
On a team lacking top 6 talent, I’d rather we keep Ribeiro.
I wish it wouldn't be Ott
because I just got his damn jersey lol…eh…stupid sports business
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 22, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Me too.
What is it good for? Absolutely everything.
by Henri Muroke on Feb 22, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
Ruutu gets 4 yr, $19M extension..
..Another player likely off the market.
come Monday
No matter what happens, I hope we get at least one C prospect with all of this.
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 3:13 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Light schedule of games tonight.
Maybe more trades are coming. I like this stuff, but I’ll also be really glad when it’s over.
Is anyone considering the cap floor?
Haven’t read the comments but at no point can we go below the cap floor according to the CBA. Cap floor is $48.3 million and we’re sitting at about $1.4 million above the floor per capgeek. So unless we pick up salary in return we’re not moving big contracts. Ribeiro is 5 million cap hit and ott is about a 3 million.
we can move $3,924,831 at the deadline without taking on any salary
its not like we wouldn’t get salary back anyway
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 22, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
This is what I don't entirely understand
Can we not take on extra salary, or are we trying not to take on extra salary?
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 22, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
We're operating essentially at the cap floor. We have almost $15 million in cap space.
That tells me that we can take on salary. Am I misleading myself?
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 22, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
nope they can take on salary
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LOL...at least I think, my math sux
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by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 22, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
i think the grammar police are at another blog
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that Jeff guy.....trouble.
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by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 22, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
wow i forgot about that guy
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we can take on 60 million in salary
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 22, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
thats today... 67 at the deadline
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 22, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
LTIR Morrow
Push this bitch to 68
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While we're at it
Let’s just trade teams with Pittsburgh. I can still dream right?
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by Virginian Star on Feb 22, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
No thanks
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you mean add the entire pittsburgh roster to our current team somehow
win the cup deal with the cap mess next year
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 22, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
lol the only non Stars shirt I have is Malkin's shirsey.
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it's the only jersey I have from an active player
My stars ones are retired.
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I got a James Neal one at the start of last season
Then he got traded. Now I’m afraid to get another one.
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by Virginian Star on Feb 22, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
I was the same way, but i promised Nystrom I would get his jersey
after he took the nystrom sign I made so that he could keep it.
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He took your sign and you agreed to buy a jersey?
You got the short end of that deal!
everyone should just get Benn
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Well no
because then Niskanen’s back here
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 22, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
fair enough
but then we wouldn’t have Pardy either
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by Virginian Star on Feb 22, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
As much as I love Jamie
I’d take Crosby and Malkin over him any day of the week. Benn’s an amazing player, but so are they.
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by Virginian Star on Feb 22, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
Crosby. God only knows when he's going to play again.
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3.9 mil pro rated
So if they moved Ott about 1/3 of his salary is all that would come off of that.
Another way to look at it…they could move almost 12 mil in actual salary without cap floor problems.
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well no your double dipping there i believe
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 22, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
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How is a player’s salary charged against a team’s salary cap when a trade is made at the deadline?
The salary that is charged against a team’s cap is the pro rated amount remaining of the player’s average yearly salary. For example, if a player has an average yearly salary of $2 million, the amount charged against the acquiring team’s cap is the pro-rated amount remaining of $2 million.
This is calculated by dividing $2 million by the number of days in the season (186). The amount ($10,753) is then multiplied by the number of days remaining in the season from the day the trade is made (42 days if trade is on Feb. 28) to ascertain the amount charged against the team’s cap ($451,613).
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And, you're right.
Not 12 mil.
What they’ve already paid a given player would still count vs the cap. Messed that up.
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So if they dealt Ott on deadline day
2.33 mil would stay on the cap.
They would drop 600k closer to the floor, and they’re comfortably above the floor.
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I like the double dip
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 3:59 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
you put your hand up on my hip...
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i don't think that's part of the song.
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i tried to sing it a few times.
it doesn’t work.
by Travis Drybread 2 on Feb 22, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
lol me too
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Dallas Stars are around 1.5 million above the floor.
They could only trade that amount in prorated salary (what’s remaining this season) before having to take on salary to stay above the floor.
That’s official.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 22, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
Meaning they could deal Ribeiro without taking cash on still.
Ribeiro, on deadline day, will be owed less than a mil.
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Ribeiro and Ott, if they so chose.
Since they’d be calling up replacements.
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Can we even trade ayone else.
The guys who do the follow up show on the Ticket talked like since we are very close to the minimum salary basement the only way we can make a trade is if we pick up an equal or higher salary contract in return. Why would anyone want to trade one of our starters for a higher priced guy who we might not even be able to sign???
Why would we not be able to sign anybody we pick up?
We have money now, and we have a ton of cap space.
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 22, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
I just bought my wife an Ott jersey.
Plus he’s better than Dvorak on the third line. Dump Dvorak, keep Ott in the third line where he belongs. He’s a large chunk of the soul of the time and embodies the work ethic. I would really hate to see him go, no matter than return.
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Man, what a dumb mistake, lol.
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So I know that I'm a bit late on this
But if a second and a conditional fifth is all it took to get a 65 point player like Vermette, how does Howson still have a job? And if the prices are that low, how does two seconds for Carter sound? (I know it’s not realistic, but neither was that trade with Phoenix)
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According to this insider I am well-connected with (and trust me, my intel's legit)
Carter likes to drink milk a lot, and therefore he would be a bad fit here in Dallas. We shouldn’t go for him.
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 22, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
OH MY GOD WHOLE MILK?!
WHAT IS THIS NONSENSE?
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 22, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
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I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further!
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I love that robot chicken.
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What have you done with those plans?
Gary here, never sees his daughter because of people like you!
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ovechkin is scratched
ovechkin to dalls for pardy + 2013 2nd
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 22, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
I know this isn't serious, but he's hurt
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if that's the case
We need to use Vinnie Paul’s respectable establishment as a recruiting tool, and give carter permanent VIP status.
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 4:27 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
He'd get two picks and it'd open up his cap space.
He’d probably consider it.
by Travis Drybread 2 on Feb 22, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
Howson didn't properly evalute what Vermette was worth.
He was being used in a strict checking role in Columbus. Maloney took advantage of his ignorance.
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Howson is an idiot.. this has been established
lets exploit it
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 22, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
agreed.
i’d do everything i could to weasel out an awesome deal from columbus right now
by Travis Drybread 2 on Feb 22, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
Joe, use those Cornell smarts to your advantage
This is who you’re dealing with:
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by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 22, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
All I see is NTSF:SD:SUV.
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You need to watch it.
And Children’s Hospital.
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Next to Parks & Rec and Always Sunny, this is the best comedy on TV
Andre is a perfect metaphor for a lot of the bloggers and forum posters and trade deadline talk. He’s gullable.
by Chris Barnard on Feb 22, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
you forgot Community
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"He gave me Plaxico Burress!"
“Pete trade-raped you Andre!”
“What?”
“How many games have you seen Plaxico Burress play for the Giants this year?”
“Um…I don’t know”
“Exactly! He’s been in jail for the last two years. He trade-raped you, bro.”
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 22, 2012 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
My son turned me on to The League
Some of it is a bit over the top, especially in Season 3. But I don’t know when I’ve laughed so hard at a TV show.
I don't think it's that black and white.
He isn’t going to give everyone away. He let Vermette go for (i assume) less than market value, but he’s also pumped up the asking price through the media for Carter/Nash. I doubt either guy moves before the deadline unless they are offered a ton, or either guy is just demanding to be gone.
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I think only one will move and the other is being used to drive up asking prices
so probably carter is on the move(and actually wants out) and nash is staying around but that’s just my opinion
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 22, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
Oh I bet both want out. I'd bet a lot that they're both gone by the draft.
I just tend to agree with those throwing the idea out there that 1-2 weeks isn’t much time to put together a package for a marquee guy when you don’t have to move them.
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i almost feel like at this point nash is doomed to staying in clb for the rest of his career
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 22, 2012 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
The ironic thing is that if they just keep Voracek and #8
They’re a much better team
Nash
Voracek
Johansen
Couturier
Voracek
Vermette
Umberger
Prospal
Some questionable money in there, but that’s deep/young/talented.
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Well, aside from two Voraceks....
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Of course that only applies to their forwards
Because the team would still suck thanks to Steve Mason and a lack of d-men
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by Virginian Star on Feb 22, 2012 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
The D isn't that bad either.
They could use a couple, but the biggest problem by far has been in goal. You can fix one spot pretty easily.
Wisniewski, Tyutin, Nikitin isn’t a bad start.
Plus Savard/Moore.
Oh, and Yakupov at forward too.
Hell, they could be fine next year if they just find a goalie.
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that's some scary potential up the Middle
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 4:32 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Probably
but I’m surprised that he didn’t ask for more. There aren’t many sellers and a scoring forward who’s defensively responsible and can play C and LW would command quite a nice price. Much better than what he actually got IMO.
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by Virginian Star on Feb 22, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I would've expected him to get a similar return to Downie
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It shouldn't. Not with late 1sts/2nds
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he's no longer a 65 point player
he’s got 27 points so far this season and wasn’t great last year either. He’s not anywhere near the same as he was and the price paid reflected it. Maybe that’s because Columbus sucked and he quit trying. Perhaps he’ll be better in PHX. They’re hoping so and at the cost it’s not a horrible gamble but no one should mistake Vermette for the player he used to be in Ottawa. He hasn’t been that guy in two years.
he was being used as a checking line C
Which just says more about how much Columbus is clueless.
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 23, 2012 10:52 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Why do I get the feeling that atmosphere before deadline...
Might be something like this:
I guess that’s charm of trade deadline.
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Heh, the video was too long.
Perhaps it’s for the best.
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by Henri Muroke on Feb 22, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
Because it failed.
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by Henri Muroke on Feb 22, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
It would have been something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsTRxXvQY0s
Tried to do do it the way you do, but it was too long I think.
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by Henri Muroke on Feb 22, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
That's how the media will react
When Rick Nash is still a Blue Jacket after 2/27
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by Virginian Star on Feb 22, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
Steve Ott
Darren Dreger was asked on NHL live who he thought was absolutely going to move by the trade deadline. His answer was Steve Ott.
I'll believe it when I see it.
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I'm not inclined to believe that
But if he’s guaranteeing it, the asking price is now three firsts and a top prospect.
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by Virginian Star on Feb 22, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
This Ott thing is getting out of hand.
Even Finnish blogger Jouni Nieminen talked about it.
He lives in Edmonton, so he doesn’t talk that much about the Stars…
Blaah, blaah, blaah.
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by Henri Muroke on Feb 22, 2012 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
What did he say?
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Same thing that others did.
“It has been rumored that the Stars are perhaps trading Steve Ott, one of the best agitators in NHL.”
Blaah… I actually like his blog, good stuff and in Finnish. He used to write in Jatkoaika, a good site in Finland. Those guys like this site too.
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by Henri Muroke on Feb 22, 2012 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
off the subject a little
But A. Smith has porn stache quality whiskers going.
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 4:34 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Yeah, considering they're saying his age will work against him in Hobey Baker voting, that 'stache is not helping him look any younger
its hard to grow a good quality stache, and not look like a total stalker
its why tom sellecks and the Q’s are so famous
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because other Teams know what he has meant to us
and what he can bring to the ice, other than stats. That is what they want more than anything. These teams have scoring, they need the other stuff Ott can do
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Looks like I missed a lot
Don’t have time to read all the comments, but here’s my two sense. I voted for 1, not both (depending on the return of course). I would have a lot harder time coping with the Stars sans-Ott.
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by T-rom on Feb 22, 2012 5:25 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Darren dreger knows his stuff guys
But seriously. We need centers, and trading ribs would be stupid. Ott is essential to the success of this team so i can’t really see us trading him either.
by 91_Stars_21 on Feb 22, 2012 5:43 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Ott is crucial to the success of a team
that is “hard to play against”. IE – a team lacking in talent. Ott is a nice player, but if a good deal can be made (I’d hate to see him go), I’m all for it.
and let me clarify
a team loaded with talent is hard to play against. What the Stars have been saying for the past 4 years is that they want to be “hard to play against”. Ott would be a big part of that, but it hasn’t had much success. Thats not Ott’s fault, but he isnt crucial to anything.
Ott really does represent the kind of player the Stars are describing when they say they want a team full of players that are pesky and hard to play against.
Under that philosophy, we should be adding Otts, not trading them away.
that's counterproductive. we need more talent
We don’t need more Otts. That’s the thing rt now. Not enough top 6 talent.
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 7:28 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Ott should be.
He hasn’t been for most of the season though.
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The question was:
Who will be the most sought-after role player available at the deadline?
Dreger’s answer:
“I like Steve Ott from the Dallas Stars for a number of reasons. He’s a good face-off guy, he’s a penalty-killer, he’s a fierce competitor all year long. When it comes to the playoffs, you need that kind of energy presence in your lineup. Toronto, Vancouver and Philadelphia are all teams that will be looking at adding him.”
It is what it is.
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