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2012 NHL Trade Deadline: Should Dallas Stars Consider Trading Mike Ribeiro or Steve Ott?

Feb 21, 2012; Montreal, QC, CAN;   Dallas Stars forward Mike Ribeiro (63) celebrates his goal against the Montreal Canadiens during the 3rd period at the Bell Centre. Mandatory Credit: Eric Bolte-US PRESSWIRE

Yesterday, Pierre LeBrun of ESPN let loose with an interesting tidbit on his blog, stating that Steve Ott and Mike Ribeiro have become the target of interest from several teams in the NHL. While this sort of news is far from surprising this time of year -- I'm sure teams are calling inquiring all sorts of players this week -- he let it be known that GM Joe Nieuwendyk didn't exactly state that the two forwards are strictly on the "no trade list".

None more so in the Stars' dressing room than Steve Ott and Mike Ribeiro, both of whom have heard their names in the rumor mill. And indeed, sources confirmed to ESPN.com that the Stars have gotten calls on both and would consider moving them for the right deal.

Now, the language is vague and the implication very broad. Of course Nieuwendyk would consider moving either of them for "the right deal", something you could say about nearly every team in the NHL. With the exception of a handful of players across the league, most players could certainly be had if the right offer came along -- especially for a team like the Stars who are certainly looking to build for the future.

Of course, for the right deal, it would be hard to pass up on making the move but just how important would trading one of the two players be for the future of the team, and how would their departure affect the Stars in the short term? Let us know how you feel in the poll after the jump.

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To be clear, the Dallas Stars are NOT actively shopping Mike Ribeiro or Steve Ott. That is not what is going on here. What LeBrun is implying is that a few teams have inquired about their availability and the Stars haven't exactly hung up the phone, completely closed off the possibility of a trade. So what that turns into is "for the right deal, Ribeiro or Ott could be traded."

What's the right deal, however? As we approach the deadline, it's obvious that the market this season could certainly be rich. Steve Downie was essentially traded for a first-round draft pick by the Tampa Bay Lightning and while Downie is a decent young player, it's tough to think he's worth a first rounder (technically it was Kyle Quincey that was traded for the 1st - semantics).

Today, Antoine Vermette was traded by the Blue Jackets for a 2012 2nd round pick and a 2013 3rd Round pick. It could certainly be argued that Vermette is worth more than what Columbus got in return, so trying to determine what the value of a player like Ribeiro or Ott would be is tough.

It's undeniable that the potential for a significant return for Ott or Ribeiro is certainly worth it, although such a trade would likely center around prospects and draft picks. For a team like the Stars, who need players to help the NHL roster sooner than later, acquiring picks and prospects is grand but not a solution for their short-term issues. Then again, those extra picks and prospects could be used to make a big splash -- like a trade for Jeff Carter, for example.

The impact of trading Steve Ott would be interesting, as Ott is easily the fan favorite on the team. He's heavily marketed by the Stars, he's the most outspoken and public player on the team and his leadership on the ice is valuable when used correctly. Mike Ribeiro, whose defensive struggles are well known, is still an offensive playmaker capable of having a significant impact on the Stars.

Joe Nieuwendyk has to be smart about this and all indications are that he's looking to the future, not just this season. It could be argued that Ott has a much more significant future with the Stars while Ribeiro's time is likely coming to an end. There's also the fact that Ribeiro's limited NTC and hefty salary could make trading him difficult, while Ott has no such limitations.

How do you feel? We've talked about a lot of trade scenarios and plans lately, but this seems to be credible proof that the Stars are at least open the possibility of trading some very well-liked players. Would this be too far for fans, or would the potential return make the trade worth it? Let us know in the poll.

Poll
Would a trade of Mike Ribeiro or Steve Ott (or both) be a smart move by the Dallas Stars?
Yes - The Stars are building for the future and need to acquire assets
77 votes
Yes - But only if one is traded, not both.
87 votes
No - The potential return is not worth trading important players like Ott or Ribeiro
60 votes
No - Steve Ott and Mike Ribeiro are too important to this team.
92 votes
Maybe - Depends on what the return would be.
225 votes

541 votes | Poll has closed

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the Jackets also got a goalie out of the Vermette deal, and the 2nd pick is a 5th rounder that ups to a 4th if the ’yotes win a playoff series.

by PSyCo2012 on Feb 22, 2012 1:07 PM CST reply actions  

That "goalie" is Curtis McElhinney

He’s not going to play for the rest of the season. And he’s an AHL guy at best.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 22, 2012 1:19 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Yea I found some other stuff on it

Says he’s injured for season AND is on the last year of his contract. Was included because Phoenix was already at the 50 contract limit

by PSyCo2012 on Feb 22, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

howson might be the worst GM in pro sports

Well except for Mitch kupchak, and Kahnnnnnnn!!

Ok he is in hockey

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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 3:03 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I have way too much money invested

in Otter merch for him to go.
Traded vetoed.

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by DonDrapersOPS on Feb 22, 2012 1:19 PM CST reply actions  

I'd prefer to not trade them

however, if it’s a good deal that doesn’t cripple us and has good upside it’s something you have to consider.

Also I would take issue with the idea that Ribeiro has “well known defensive struggles”. That’s a label as well worn and inaccurate as the diving label is now. He’s grown and matured his game in Dallas, and I don’t believe either of those labels are warranted. He’ll never win a Selke, but he’s not a liability. And he’s shown effectiveness on the PK over the past few years. If face-off ability were the only criteria of defensive aptitude, then I’d absolutely agree.

by rev0lver19 on Feb 22, 2012 1:20 PM CST reply actions  

We have seen this season that unless Ribeiro has majority of offensive zone starts

Then he and his line struggle mightily defensively. The scoring chance data we have seen this season backs that up.

I think his offense helps to cover that up, the majority of the time. But to pretend he is not defensively suspect would be wrong.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 22, 2012 1:24 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

He sucks defensively and doesn't drive possession.

I wouldn’t push him out the door. He has offensive ability so if he is managed properly in game then his defensive limitations are masked somewhat. A lot of his problem is in transition though, which is why you see him getting some PK minutes lately. He’s brutal in transition defensively.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 22, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

The biggest story here...

is that ESPN thinks they can report on hockey and be taken seriously

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by Jere's Golden Laces on Feb 22, 2012 1:24 PM CST reply actions  

To be fair, LeBrun has a lot of contacts.

I trust him, for the most part.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 22, 2012 1:28 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

At least LeBrun is not writing the stuff like EJ Hradek for nhl.com

From his today’s article: “I think Goligoski is marginally better than Niskanen. On average, he’s playing approximately 4:20 more per night. But the Stars gave up an All-Star left wing to make that upgrade.” Just WOW

by Supernova10 on Feb 22, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

without mentioning the fact he is playing with the best player on the planet

We know how much better goose is than niskanen. It’s unfair to goose to mention them in the same sentence. And James Neal would not have 30 goals for the stars

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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 2:07 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

^THIS

Exactly what I was going to say.

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by EagleBelf on Feb 22, 2012 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

So true...

Hell, I’d probably good for a dozen and I’m most certainly on the downside of my NHL career…

by wonderboy14 on Feb 22, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Wut.

I can’t even begin to comprehend this statement.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 22, 2012 2:07 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

who's

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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 2:10 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Hradek.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 22, 2012 2:21 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

I read that same article and felt like I was being trolled by Hradek.

I bet we could have done Neal for Goligoski straight up, but Niskanen was so bad for us Nieuwendyk probably forced the Pens to take him off our hands.

by Ronin56 on Feb 22, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

i saw that earlier and lost it

goose will continue to grow. nisky was zubov’s robin.

by agvdstars on Feb 23, 2012 12:57 AM CST up reply actions  

But that's

a no brainer. Of course GMJN isn’t going to put on a blindfold and have the other team’s GM hold the names of picks/players in a hat with him reaching in and that determines the deal.

by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 22, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Would be sad If Ott would go, but if your team isn't winning, stuff like this might go down.

I have been very lucky with my favorites…

I liked Neal, didn’t love him.
I liked Niskanen, didn’t love him.
I loved Turco, but his time was done.
I Love Daley, I only liked Grossman.

Just like I choose Benn before Neal. I Choose Ott before Morrow, but Morrow is not going anywhere, and we have this moment here.

I like Ribs, but if he goes, he goes… I just think that “the right trade” isn’t very easy to find.

What is it good for? Absolutely everything.

by Henri Muroke on Feb 22, 2012 1:32 PM CST reply actions  

Both imo... There great and all but

T’s obvious to me at this point that things just aren’t going to happen with the ott/morrow/Ribeiro/Robi core and we’re going to need to move on

We need to turn the roster over from the 30 somethings to the 20 somethings

More than anything we need talented young players… I hope this Carter stuff happens because it would really put us in to a position to flip ribs

by can we get hatcher back on Feb 22, 2012 1:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

"I hope this Carter stuff happens because it would really put us in to a position to flip ribs"

Errrr…no. Different skill-sets. Carter is a shoot-first guy and Ribs is a playmaker. If anything, Carter slips into no.1 C with two of Eriksson/Benn/Ryder on his wings and works his game around his wingers feeding him. Ribs, as usual, gets the odd guy out (Ryder, most likely) and Ott.

by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 22, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree.

Being able to add someone like Carter to our current top six would be optimal. Right now a Ribeiro style player is something we don’t have a lot of, so I don’t see him going anywhere without a large sum coming back this way.

by Travis Drybread 2 on Feb 22, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

A center is a center

Who ever said you need a playmaking one… You just need to put him with the right wingers

by can we get hatcher back on Feb 22, 2012 1:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Ribeiro between Eriksson and Carter would look good to me.

Ribs loves to set guys up. Those two with him would be a really nice looking line.

If you could have them all, you would definitely rather do that than jettison Ribs because you got Carter.

by Travis Drybread 2 on Feb 22, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with your statement too...

…but I’d rather not consider the acquisition of Carter being construed as Ribeiro being expendable. Ribeiro is a solid playmaker and arguably the best we have and I’d rather Benn moved to his natural LW position and give us an added option on the face-off on the top line.

by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 22, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Im just saying we need to move past ribeiro/morrow etc

And Carter would facilitate that nicely although I don’t want to get my hopes up

by can we get hatcher back on Feb 22, 2012 2:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

And I am saying that....

…you don’t need to “move past _______” if it’s just for the sake of doing it. I’d rather we keep Ribeiro till his term ends IF it can benefit us. A better sniper on his wing than Morrow can help his game and our fortunes next season.

by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 22, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

This.

If he had a sniper on his wing, his numbers would look much better than they do.

He’s the same guy he was when he got around 80 points a few seasons ago. Just need to surround him with the right guys again.

by Travis Drybread 2 on Feb 22, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Robidas is much less replaceable.

Even if you assume the Stars prospect dmen will turn out (huge if), they take longer to develop than forwards.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 22, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I meant Souray more than Robi

Felt like I needed an additional guy to increase the strength of the keep ribeiro argument.

by Travis Drybread 2 on Feb 22, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't see how we can potentially "destroy the farm."

that’s just hyperbole. Carter will require a prospect or two from our system, but that’s not akin to “destroying” the farm. And also, if we acquire Carter, we should look to make the playoffs this season, IMO. In such a scenario, it’s better we retain Ribeiro rather than deal him (or wait till the off-season to do so). There’s no guarantee that dealing him immediately after we acquire Carter will give us a return that can fill for him. It’s most likely good prospects than roster players.

by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 22, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Outside of Benn, Ribeiro is our only playmaking center.

I don’t trade him unless the return is very high or we make up for his absence with another trade.

by Travis Drybread 2 on Feb 22, 2012 1:33 PM CST reply actions  

Seems like it was just last week

we were talking about how Ribs’ trade value wasn’t going to get us much in return.

Not earth-shattering or anything, but with his highlight reel goal against the Flamers on ESPN’s top 10, and the attention he received last night in Montreal, I have to think his trade value is as high as it’s going to be for some time.

I’m feeling there’s a Ribs trade being discussed currently.

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by Netminder#20 on Feb 22, 2012 1:49 PM CST reply actions  

I think it depends on what you get back

No point in trading them just to trade them, if the Stars feel like they can get fair value for them then trade them, if not then keep them both.

by chris1989 on Feb 22, 2012 1:49 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Seeing that we got a 2nd and 3rd for Grossman.

Only getting a 2nd and 5th for a pretty dang good center (vermette) makes Joe look pretty good.

Ribeiro’s got his issues, but his skill with the puck makes him more valuable than anyone that’s already been traded and probably most of the current market…outside of that Columbus debacle.

I wouldn’t even know where to start with a trade speculation for Ribs, but I think someone a little offensively-challenged would give up a hefty penny to retain his services this year and next. We’ll see.

by FBI36th on Feb 22, 2012 1:59 PM CST reply actions  

keep ribs, flip Ott

I think Otts effectiveness on this team is questionable rt now. He is the quintessential 3rd line checker/agitator. I notice him less n less on the ice except when its for bonehead stuff. I think otter could really help a contender in his rightful role.

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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 2:02 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

How is it that TODAY we agree on everything?

If we’re going to trade one of the two then we have to acknowledge one of our major problems is a top six forward. Out of the two of them there’s really only one that’s truly a top six forward and that’s Ribs. I love Ott and I would hate to see him go. Ideally I’d love to keep both and just add someone to the mix. If I have to choose though that’s how I would come down on it.

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by EagleBelf on Feb 22, 2012 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

you can find players like Ott during FA

It’s hard to find a top 6 C, and I don’t know of any who will be free agents this summer

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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 7:20 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I'd be able to handle a Ribeiro trade a lot better than an Ott trade

Ott is one of those guys that I’d really like to see him remain a Star. I think, even though the Stars are working toward getting younger, they’ll still need some veteran voices and leaders, and he should be one of them.

That said, I can see how he would be very intriguing to several other teams.

by WingnutInStarsCountry on Feb 22, 2012 2:40 PM CST reply actions  

The only veterans I'm interested in retaining are the good role models.

I don’t think Ribs is the kind of role model we want rubbing off on the kids.

by Ronin56 on Feb 22, 2012 2:41 PM CST reply actions  

When EA creates dekes for the NHL games they should turn to Ribs.

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by T-rom on Feb 22, 2012 2:46 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

explain this

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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 2:56 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I don't think Mike Ribeiro is a good role model for the prospects to learn from.

Specifically, the fancy stuff he does, his lack of defensive ability, his faceoff ability, how he spends his down time, etc. I’d be much more comfortable with a player like Robidas taking a young player under his wing than Ribs.

by Ronin56 on Feb 22, 2012 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

has there been any reports of Ribs being a bd apple in dallas

the guy drives me crazy sometimes, but i know what he brings to the table. He’s played with a bum knee and much line shaking. a better dallas team and he would b on his way to another 70-80 points. Arent we trying to get a guy like that through trades or free agency

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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think there's any doubt Ribs makes us a better team by being on it right now.

For a team that needs offense so badly, it’s kind of scary to think about them without Ribs, assuming they don’t get a roster player back for him in a trade.

by Ronin56 on Feb 22, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

which is why i dont think Joe will get the rt value for Ribs in a trade

it would have to be a young C in retun, who we could automatically plug into our 2nd line

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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Mike Ribeiro is one of the hardest working guys on the ice each and every practice.

I don’t see why he would not be a good role model.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 22, 2012 6:41 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Stars won the Cup with Brett Hull.

He was about as flashy as they come.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 22, 2012 7:15 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

His flashiness isn't a problem. Neither is his work ethic.

He’s a defensive liabiltiy though.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 22, 2012 7:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I have seen him make some plays backchecking

and he seems to do good work on the pk. Nobody will mistake him for a Selke candidate though.

My biggest issues is the turnovers around our blue line or center ice. I can live with turnovers trying to make a play in our offensive end where they still have 150+ feet to go and several Stars to get through.

by 1paniolo on Feb 22, 2012 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

can't change what he does. and he's pretty good at it

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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 7:23 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Well, Ruutu is staying.

Another one gone.

What is it good for? Absolutely everything.

by Henri Muroke on Feb 22, 2012 2:48 PM CST reply actions  

Carolina usually can keep it's core.

Players really like the area, I think.

What is it good for? Absolutely everything.

by Henri Muroke on Feb 22, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

If I'm paying that much I'll just go for Hemsky or Grabovski

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by Josh Lile on Feb 22, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Grabovski

will get paid more. Hemsky who knows since he’s so injury prone. Rather have Ruutu than Hemsky for that reason alone.

by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 22, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Ruutu isn't half the player Hemsky is.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 22, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

That's an exaggeration

They’ve played about the same amount of NHL games and Ruutu actually has a higher GPG average. Hemsky higher overall points. Just very different styled players.

by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 22, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Hemsky has played the toughest minutes for a terrible Oilers team for years.

Ruutu plays cupcake minutes, and doesn’t drive the offense the way Hemsky does. Give Hemsky the Ruutu cupcake minutes and his results are significantly better.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 22, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Cupcakes?

I don’t think the Stars have made the playoffs since DBD was founded :-)
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by Breg on Feb 22, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I never thought that he would be a good target.

Just one guy less in market, that is already thin.

What is it good for? Absolutely everything.

by Henri Muroke on Feb 22, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Good for them, but they have to change something though, don't they?

They can’t just go into next season with the same roster, right? And neither can we for that matter…

by Ronin56 on Feb 22, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

that Carolina roster looks pretty dangerous next year

they have a lot of young talent coming up

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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 23, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Hell Yes

Trade them both. Now, don’t ship them out for a sixth round pick but any fair offer should be accepted. Even better if someone made an offer that was lopsided in Dallas’ favor. Now, this can be seen as hindsight and it partially is but Newy should have traded Richards at the deadline. I understand the concussion may have prevented a deal but it is also possible for them to have gotten some assets and with a team needing assets he would have been a golden piece to get assets for.

by jf55510 on Feb 22, 2012 2:49 PM CST reply actions  

NO. TRADE. CLAUSE.

Richards literally REFUSED to be moved, for anything.

Enough with the “joe should have traded him” already please.

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by Tsudbury on Feb 22, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

they hear what they want to hear

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by shock00 on Feb 22, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

its not like (According to NY Media)

joe had a deal lined up and richards decided not to waive or anything

by can we get hatcher back on Feb 22, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

the Rangers tried to low ball Joe

Knowing they were prob going to get him in the summer. It was the worst kept secret once july 1st hit

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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 3:00 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

That Richards stuff will never end.

What is it good for? Absolutely everything.

by Henri Muroke on Feb 22, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Reportedly

Who knows what actually happened because I don’t think that there was a big push to move him. Also, everyone with a no trade clause can be bought out of that clause.

by jf55510 on Feb 22, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

bought out?

you don’t know what your talking about

by can we get hatcher back on Feb 22, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

So you choose to ignore those "reports" coming from the "news"

because you don’t feel like they wanted to bother with it? What sources do you have? Eklunds?

And you discount what media outlets say, because you think your opinion is factual, and expect us to side with you on it?

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by Tsudbury on Feb 22, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Ahem

E. Educated Guesses
K. Kick them while they’re down
L. Lie and backtrack
U. Unfiltered Information
N. Neglect real reporting
D. Deluded self-Importance

by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 22, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

That's news to me.

I think you’re mis-remembering things.

by disposablehero on Feb 22, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

The reports that came out afterwards indicate otherwise.

Brad himself said he didn’t want to hurt a team he was traded to.

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by Tsudbury on Feb 22, 2012 6:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope that's exactly what he said.

Joe couldn’t have flipped him no matter how bad he would have wanted to.

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by EagleBelf on Feb 22, 2012 7:01 PM CST up reply actions  

How are we still talking about this?

Is this guy new or something?

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by EagleBelf on Feb 22, 2012 6:52 PM CST up reply actions  

he didn't want to be traded. that's that

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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 2:55 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

If we trade one of them, I'd rather it be Ott.

I know Ribs is older and costs more, which might be an argument for trading him, but I think we really need his offensive playmaking ability.

While I like Ott well enough, but he’s not contributing offense. He’s just hitting the post. And he still takes too many penalties.

On a team lacking top 6 talent, I’d rather we keep Ribeiro.

by cms1171 on Feb 22, 2012 2:50 PM CST reply actions  

come Monday

No matter what happens, I hope we get at least one C prospect with all of this.

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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 3:13 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

Light schedule of games tonight.

Maybe more trades are coming. I like this stuff, but I’ll also be really glad when it’s over.

by cms1171 on Feb 22, 2012 3:32 PM CST reply actions  

Is anyone considering the cap floor?

Haven’t read the comments but at no point can we go below the cap floor according to the CBA. Cap floor is $48.3 million and we’re sitting at about $1.4 million above the floor per capgeek. So unless we pick up salary in return we’re not moving big contracts. Ribeiro is 5 million cap hit and ott is about a 3 million.

by Rthomps6 on Feb 22, 2012 3:47 PM CST reply actions  

nope they can take on salary

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by shock00 on Feb 22, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL...at least I think, my math sux

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by shock00 on Feb 22, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

i think the grammar police are at another blog

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by shock00 on Feb 22, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

that Jeff guy.....trouble.

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by shock00 on Feb 22, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

wow i forgot about that guy

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by shock00 on Feb 22, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

While we're at it

Let’s just trade teams with Pittsburgh. I can still dream right?

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by Virginian Star on Feb 22, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

No thanks

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by Josh Lile on Feb 22, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

lol the only non Stars shirt I have is Malkin's shirsey.

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by shock00 on Feb 22, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

it's the only jersey I have from an active player

My stars ones are retired.

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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 4:21 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I got a James Neal one at the start of last season

Then he got traded. Now I’m afraid to get another one.

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by Virginian Star on Feb 22, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I was the same way, but i promised Nystrom I would get his jersey

after he took the nystrom sign I made so that he could keep it.

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by Tsudbury on Feb 22, 2012 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

everyone should just get Benn

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by shock00 on Feb 22, 2012 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Woywitka!

He’ll be back!

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by EagleBelf on Feb 22, 2012 7:04 PM CST up reply actions  

fair enough

but then we wouldn’t have Pardy either

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by Virginian Star on Feb 22, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

As much as I love Jamie

I’d take Crosby and Malkin over him any day of the week. Benn’s an amazing player, but so are they.

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by Virginian Star on Feb 22, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Crosby. God only knows when he's going to play again.

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by TracyJean on Feb 22, 2012 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

3.9 mil pro rated

So if they moved Ott about 1/3 of his salary is all that would come off of that.

Another way to look at it…they could move almost 12 mil in actual salary without cap floor problems.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 22, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

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How is a player’s salary charged against a team’s salary cap when a trade is made at the deadline?

The salary that is charged against a team’s cap is the pro rated amount remaining of the player’s average yearly salary. For example, if a player has an average yearly salary of $2 million, the amount charged against the acquiring team’s cap is the pro-rated amount remaining of $2 million.

This is calculated by dividing $2 million by the number of days in the season (186). The amount ($10,753) is then multiplied by the number of days remaining in the season from the day the trade is made (42 days if trade is on Feb. 28) to ascertain the amount charged against the team’s cap ($451,613).

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by Josh Lile on Feb 22, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

And, you're right.

Not 12 mil.

What they’ve already paid a given player would still count vs the cap. Messed that up.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 22, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

So if they dealt Ott on deadline day

2.33 mil would stay on the cap.

They would drop 600k closer to the floor, and they’re comfortably above the floor.

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I like the double dip

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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 3:59 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Dallas Stars are around 1.5 million above the floor.

They could only trade that amount in prorated salary (what’s remaining this season) before having to take on salary to stay above the floor.

That’s official.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 22, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Meaning they could deal Ribeiro without taking cash on still.

Ribeiro, on deadline day, will be owed less than a mil.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 22, 2012 4:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Ribeiro and Ott, if they so chose.

Since they’d be calling up replacements.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 22, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Can we even trade ayone else.

The guys who do the follow up show on the Ticket talked like since we are very close to the minimum salary basement the only way we can make a trade is if we pick up an equal or higher salary contract in return. Why would anyone want to trade one of our starters for a higher priced guy who we might not even be able to sign???

by lockupboy on Feb 22, 2012 3:47 PM CST reply actions  

I just bought my wife an Ott jersey.

Plus he’s better than Dvorak on the third line. Dump Dvorak, keep Ott in the third line where he belongs. He’s a large chunk of the soul of the time and embodies the work ethic. I would really hate to see him go, no matter than return.

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by ArchLobster on Feb 22, 2012 3:58 PM CST reply actions  

time=team

Man, what a dumb mistake, lol.

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by ArchLobster on Feb 22, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

So I know that I'm a bit late on this

But if a second and a conditional fifth is all it took to get a 65 point player like Vermette, how does Howson still have a job? And if the prices are that low, how does two seconds for Carter sound? (I know it’s not realistic, but neither was that trade with Phoenix)

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by Virginian Star on Feb 22, 2012 4:10 PM CST reply actions  

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by Tsudbury on Feb 22, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further!

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I love that robot chicken.

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by Tsudbury on Feb 22, 2012 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

What have you done with those plans?

Gary here, never sees his daughter because of people like you!

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by EagleBelf on Feb 22, 2012 8:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I know this isn't serious, but he's hurt

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by Josh Lile on Feb 22, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

if that's the case

We need to use Vinnie Paul’s respectable establishment as a recruiting tool, and give carter permanent VIP status.

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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 4:27 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Howson didn't properly evalute what Vermette was worth.

He was being used in a strict checking role in Columbus. Maloney took advantage of his ignorance.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 22, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed.

i’d do everything i could to weasel out an awesome deal from columbus right now

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Next to Parks & Rec and Always Sunny, this is the best comedy on TV

Andre is a perfect metaphor for a lot of the bloggers and forum posters and trade deadline talk. He’s gullable.

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you forgot Community

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"He gave me Plaxico Burress!"

“Pete trade-raped you Andre!”
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“Um…I don’t know”
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My son turned me on to The League

Some of it is a bit over the top, especially in Season 3. But I don’t know when I’ve laughed so hard at a TV show.

by 1paniolo on Feb 22, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think it's that black and white.

He isn’t going to give everyone away. He let Vermette go for (i assume) less than market value, but he’s also pumped up the asking price through the media for Carter/Nash. I doubt either guy moves before the deadline unless they are offered a ton, or either guy is just demanding to be gone.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 22, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I think only one will move and the other is being used to drive up asking prices

so probably carter is on the move(and actually wants out) and nash is staying around but that’s just my opinion

by can we get hatcher back on Feb 22, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh I bet both want out. I'd bet a lot that they're both gone by the draft.

I just tend to agree with those throwing the idea out there that 1-2 weeks isn’t much time to put together a package for a marquee guy when you don’t have to move them.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 22, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

The ironic thing is that if they just keep Voracek and #8

They’re a much better team

Nash
Voracek
Johansen
Couturier
Voracek
Vermette
Umberger
Prospal

Some questionable money in there, but that’s deep/young/talented.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 22, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, aside from two Voraceks....

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by Josh Lile on Feb 22, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Of course that only applies to their forwards

Because the team would still suck thanks to Steve Mason and a lack of d-men

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by Virginian Star on Feb 22, 2012 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

The D isn't that bad either.

They could use a couple, but the biggest problem by far has been in goal. You can fix one spot pretty easily.

Wisniewski, Tyutin, Nikitin isn’t a bad start.

Plus Savard/Moore.

Oh, and Yakupov at forward too.

Hell, they could be fine next year if they just find a goalie.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 22, 2012 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

that's some scary potential up the Middle

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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 4:32 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Probably

but I’m surprised that he didn’t ask for more. There aren’t many sellers and a scoring forward who’s defensively responsible and can play C and LW would command quite a nice price. Much better than what he actually got IMO.

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by Virginian Star on Feb 22, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I would've expected him to get a similar return to Downie

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by Josh Lile on Feb 22, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

It shouldn't. Not with late 1sts/2nds

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by Josh Lile on Feb 22, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

he's no longer a 65 point player

he’s got 27 points so far this season and wasn’t great last year either. He’s not anywhere near the same as he was and the price paid reflected it. Maybe that’s because Columbus sucked and he quit trying. Perhaps he’ll be better in PHX. They’re hoping so and at the cost it’s not a horrible gamble but no one should mistake Vermette for the player he used to be in Ottawa. He hasn’t been that guy in two years.

by Hull Fan on Feb 22, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

he was being used as a checking line C

Which just says more about how much Columbus is clueless.

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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 23, 2012 10:52 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Why do I get the feeling that atmosphere before deadline...

Might be something like this:

I guess that’s charm of trade deadline.

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by Henri Muroke on Feb 22, 2012 4:11 PM CST reply actions  

Heh, the video was too long.

Perhaps it’s for the best.

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Because it failed.

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by Henri Muroke on Feb 22, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

It would have been something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsTRxXvQY0s

Tried to do do it the way you do, but it was too long I think.

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by Henri Muroke on Feb 22, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

That's how the media will react

When Rick Nash is still a Blue Jacket after 2/27

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by Virginian Star on Feb 22, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Steve Ott

Darren Dreger was asked on NHL live who he thought was absolutely going to move by the trade deadline. His answer was Steve Ott.

by Sean912163 on Feb 22, 2012 4:28 PM CST reply actions  

I'll believe it when I see it.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 22, 2012 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not inclined to believe that

But if he’s guaranteeing it, the asking price is now three firsts and a top prospect.

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by Virginian Star on Feb 22, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

This Ott thing is getting out of hand.

Even Finnish blogger Jouni Nieminen talked about it.

He lives in Edmonton, so he doesn’t talk that much about the Stars…

Blaah, blaah, blaah.

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by Henri Muroke on Feb 22, 2012 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

What did he say?

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by Josh Lile on Feb 22, 2012 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Same thing that others did.

“It has been rumored that the Stars are perhaps trading Steve Ott, one of the best agitators in NHL.”

Blaah… I actually like his blog, good stuff and in Finnish. He used to write in Jatkoaika, a good site in Finland. Those guys like this site too.

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by Henri Muroke on Feb 22, 2012 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

off the subject a little

But A. Smith has porn stache quality whiskers going.

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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 4:34 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

because other Teams know what he has meant to us

and what he can bring to the ice, other than stats. That is what they want more than anything. These teams have scoring, they need the other stuff Ott can do

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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 5:05 PM CST reply actions  

Looks like I missed a lot

Don’t have time to read all the comments, but here’s my two sense. I voted for 1, not both (depending on the return of course). I would have a lot harder time coping with the Stars sans-Ott.

by Trillmike on Feb 22, 2012 5:07 PM CST reply actions  

Ribs is about to be on around the horn again!!

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by T-rom on Feb 22, 2012 5:25 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

Darren dreger knows his stuff guys

But seriously. We need centers, and trading ribs would be stupid. Ott is essential to the success of this team so i can’t really see us trading him either.

by 91_Stars_21 on Feb 22, 2012 5:43 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

agree on ribs. Huh on Ott

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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Ott is crucial to the success of a team

that is “hard to play against”. IE – a team lacking in talent. Ott is a nice player, but if a good deal can be made (I’d hate to see him go), I’m all for it.

by eric03tx on Feb 22, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

and let me clarify

a team loaded with talent is hard to play against. What the Stars have been saying for the past 4 years is that they want to be “hard to play against”. Ott would be a big part of that, but it hasn’t had much success. Thats not Ott’s fault, but he isnt crucial to anything.

by eric03tx on Feb 22, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

that's counterproductive. we need more talent

We don’t need more Otts. That’s the thing rt now. Not enough top 6 talent.

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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 22, 2012 7:28 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Ott should be.

He hasn’t been for most of the season though.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 22, 2012 7:24 PM CST up reply actions  

The question was:

Who will be the most sought-after role player available at the deadline?

Dreger’s answer:
“I like Steve Ott from the Dallas Stars for a number of reasons. He’s a good face-off guy, he’s a penalty-killer, he’s a fierce competitor all year long. When it comes to the playoffs, you need that kind of energy presence in your lineup. Toronto, Vancouver and Philadelphia are all teams that will be looking at adding him.”

It is what it is.

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