2012 NHL Trade Deadline: Dallas Stars' Struggles Bring Questions As Deadline Nears
A mere seven points separate the 7th and 13th place teams in the Western Conference this morning, yet to talk to the average Dallas Stars fan after this weekends back to back losses you'd think the team was completely out of the race.
That's the fun (or is it the heartache?) of the NHL season, and it's something that has those that follow the Stars in such a "die hard" way questioning what this team is on a day like today. Be they fish or fowl? Are they headed toward a playoff spot or a lottery pick?
A win over the Predators Sunday night would have left the Stars a single point behind both the Flames and Kings, tantalizingly close to a playoff spot and just three back of the Coyotes, but it wasn't to be. The Stars gave points to all three of those teams last week, actually- Teams they're trying to catch, and that's starting to take a toll on the collective outlook on the season.
Chicago, Montreal, Minnesota and Vancouver now stand between the Dallas Stars and the trade deadline, one week from today. The question on everyone's minds, increasingly so with each loss if our twitter feeds are any indications, is "Are the Stars sellers yet?"
"Well, I don't really like the term and I know everyone wants to talk about that," said Stars GM Joe Nieuwendyk of the Grossman trade. "I just think [the Grossman trade] is an isolated case and it shows that we're going to be active. We're going to look at things that make our hockey club better going forward and if things present themselves that do that, we'll take a strong look at it."
If there's one thing we know about Joe Nieuwendyk, it's that he wants to make the playoffs. He (perhaps) could have traded Marty Turco in 2010, but chose to keep him in an attempt to make the playoffs. He could have traded Brad Richards last year, but he chose to keep him (in part because he presumably hoped to sign him in the off-season but also) because he wanted to make the playoffs.
As what it is traditionally a fairly active week of trading kicks off in the NHL this morning, we wonder aloud what his strategy will be this time around as frustrations begin to mount.
Continued after the jump...
First, some math.
The pace has not quickened in the West like we thought it might (like it did last year). At least not yet, anyway. 91 points still projects as the line, or somewhere around there, meaning the Stars would have to get at bare minimum 29 additional points this season in 23 games. Something like 13-7-3 the rest of the way. That's not a ludicrous proposition, but it is well above their established rate this year after the 11-3 start. They're 18-23-4 outside of that accelerated beginning and haven't been able to put together much in the way of a positive streak since early December.
"We've got to get some kind of consistency with winning, and that point is probably right now," said Alex Goligoski after the loss Sunday. "You say it's the Phoenix game and then after that you say maybe it's this one, but right now our desperation level has to be as high as it is going to get."
He's right. They keep saying it. They keep saying that the push has to start now. In the coming game. And then the next one. It hasn't. They've now dropped seven of eleven post All-Star break. Players, coaches, fans, front office... everyone wants to believe they're going to turn it around. Everyone wants to have faith.
At the same time, you have to wonder if the right thing to do is to listen to the offers that are out there and stockpile assets for the future, or else use the opportunities available to acquire young roster players that can be a part of the future/rebuilding (easier said than done). Stars fans are going to hear some names thrown around this week in rumors, unsubstantiated or otherwise. They're going to hear Sheldon Souray, likely. They might hear Adam Burish. They might even hear names like Michael Ryder or Steve Ott.
Nieuwendyk said he had discussion about Nicklas Grossman with various teams over the last couple of months, which is interesting insight into how these things happen. It's not an overnight process. It's not a single phone call and an agreement. It can be a long term proposition to move some of these pieces out of here. It also makes you wonder what other inquiries have been made over the last couple of months, weeks, or days.
As the Stars continue to struggle with their schedule on the ice, Joe Nieuwendyk's perception of their chances this year may not waiver, but that of others may, and interesting offers could follow. That's wild speculation at best, but this figures to be a wild week in the National Hockey League.
Patience will be required. Patience with this trade deadline, with this season, and with the direction of the team in general. A fourth straight playoff-less year looms, and you may say your patience is running out, but Tom Gaglardi must be given a chance to show what he's willing to do, if the right opportunity presents itself.
Nothing may happen in the next seven days. Or another core piece could be acquired, as was the case in each of the last two trade deadlines (Alex Goligoski, Kari Lehtonen). The unenviable task of deciding what does happen is up to Joe Nieuwendyk and his new partner Mr. Gaglardi, and they must keep an eye on this season, next season, and five years from now all at the same time if they're to accomplish their stated vision.
This year it started with the draft picks acquired for Nicklas Grossman, and the Stars like what they have there, even if they don't bring the immediacy craved by the fan base.
"I think after going through our scout meetings, they really felt that the top 50 (draft picks this coming summer), there was a number of good players. So now we have potentially three picks within that top 50, which is key," said Nieuwendyk.
While that might be a more exciting quote this coming June than it is in the middle of a playoff race in which his team is falling behind, it's illustrative of the balanced approach he must have as a general manager, and it's a good reminder of the same for us in frustrating times like these.
"I think you guys know well enough by now we are trying to build something here that not only is a good product today but more importantly, we want to compete like the Detroits, like the San Jose's, contending for Cups not just bordering on this seven to 12 area."
"We want to be a consistent team," said the Stars GM.
We might look back on this season some day and say that this was the year they started coming out of the fog left in the wake of Tom Hicks' departure. We might say that old Mr. Gaglardi and Joe Nieuwendyk just needed some time to get the engines started up and to get some momentum. Stars fans hope we will. Whatever happens, a deep breath and patience are the best medicine right now to combat losses to the Coyotes and Predators, etc.
Just something to chew on as you peruse the standings and the schedule on a Monday morning like this one and wonder what will happen both on and off the ice this week, and if things are ever going to change around here.
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Ugh
Every time I feel my faith and resolve in this team falter or flip completely opposite of positive, I read an article from one of you guys on here and it completely restores how i feel about this club. Great article Brad.
It does feel like they've been on some sort of roller coaster ride lately.
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I think they should be selling, but not a fire sale.
(Also, whenever I say “fire sale” I say it like Tobias Fuenke. “FIRE!! FIRE!!! ….sale… OH IT BURNS!!!!”)
They could still pull out of this and make the playoffs, but they’d have to do a complete 180, and that just doesn’t seem to be happening. I’d rather go ahead and get a few more picks/prospects/future core pieces if it’s possible. But that doesn’t mean I’d want to just give away players for whatever we could possibly get. You have to make intelligent moves, and that’s something I think Joe can do well.
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by Tsudbury on Feb 20, 2012 9:42 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Individually I like all of these players, but collectively it's just not working.
It’s time for Nieuwendyk to make some really hard decisions.
I think there will be several trades today. (NHL in general)
Since there is only two games on the schedule for tonight, I believe GM’s will take advantage of meeting with staff and pull the trigger on some players. So far only the Flyers and Predators have made their team better by adding. Some of these other contenders will be feeling pressure to do something before they are left standing in the cold. With the limited amount of “sellers” right now, teams will not want to wait for this weekend and realize they got left behind.
I feel like Joe will make a move today. If he is going to add to try and make the playoffs the next three games are our best shot at starting something. It would be good have the players now rather than waiting another week.
If we are not “buyers”…… well…….do the best you can Joe.
They got to keep working hard, yet the trades should come
They need to work hard and fight for the 8th spot with Gully, but I don’t see Joe in a situation where he really has to think about keeping chemistry of this team for a playoff run. He should deal the cards very actively. Possibly missing the playoffs for the 4th straight time would equal big F for Fail for some players and i would see them a slightly burn out in the spot where they are now. I don’t know how much the style of play is on the coach and how much on the players. But Morrow, Ott, Burish more and more Ribs, as well as many others with less trade value play the game of dump and chase and the results are just horrible. So if you go by that kind of style, any one can play that way. And if we take Vincour and compare to any other winger on the team, he has the legs, the frame to do it just as well us others. Is much younger and also (still) has the puck posession skills that have never been a strong factor for last 5-6 years on that team. So my point is trade away the vets if there are takers. Build around core players and add quality star players now or later. Last night with Rinne cutting of 85% of dump-ins stars really did well with the once that they got to, but can’t expect to win anygames giving the puck away just as they cross red line.
Right now as a stars fan i would like to see more new faces given a chance till the end of the season as the lights of Ott, Morrow, Wandell, Robidas, 3rd line, have not gave us any advantage.
I felt Benn has played well on D when here, would like to see Dillon for game or two, would like to see Glennie for once…
at the very least they should move the soon to be UFAs that have any sort of value. Burish Dvorak Souray. These guys arent part of the long term solution and they are the types of players who playoff teams often want. They should also be willing to at least listen to offers for guys like Ott and Ryder, both of which would have several teams drooling over possibly adding them.
I would try to keep Burish and Dvorak
I’m not a fan of moving players who do their jobs unless you replace them with similar pieces or upgrade. They’re doing pretty much everything you’d expect of them.
I wouldn't know about trading ryder away either...
if we did that, then we’d REALLY be hurting for goal production.
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I think we should keep Ryder and Ott as well as the core.
And listen to offers on everyone else, of course depending on what the players with NTCs feel about staying with the team.
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Or rather if they are even slightly open to waiving their NTCs.
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by T-rom on Feb 20, 2012 10:17 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don't think anyone would ever try and argue that.
However, making the playoffs even if you aren’t a contender is important. Especially for a growing team like Dallas. It gives the young core a chance to experience what the playoffs are like, and helps them prepare for the next time they get there.
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Extra money also........
It would be extra money that is not expected in the budget. Ticket sales, concessions and parking for a couple of extra games. The more they can bring in, the more I think our new owner is willing to spend.
Why?
However, making the playoffs even if you aren’t a contender is important.
To get crucified?
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Because:
It gives the young core a chance to experience what the playoffs are like, and helps them prepare for the next time they get there
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we wouldn't make the playoffs if we bought every player from every seller at the deadline this year
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 20, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think we'll get there either.
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I don't buy that.
This team isn’t young. Benn is the only big guy with no playoff experience.
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Benn also singlehandedly almost won Texas the AHL whatever cup and his junior team the memorial cup
im not worried about him
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 20, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Calder, I think.
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Yes, the Calder Cup
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It is Josh.
Most fans don’t think like you do. There are a lot of people out there, the kind that have never read a hockey blog in their life, who are waiting to see if the team is on the uptick before coming back. That’s important. That’s really, really important. Being able to say they made the playoffs is a huge part of it.
It’s a huge part of selling tickets for next year too.
I am of the mind that if even if they have a failed playoff series (of course it would be)… There’s still a chance you get some people into the building for some playoff hockey and you whet their whistles, so to speak. You can convert people easily using playoff hockey. Even sh%tty playoff hockey.
It is important. There’s a huge emotional, irrational side of things at work here whether we who are so jaded see it or not.
by Brad Gardner on Feb 20, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
I don't doubt the marketing aspect of it.
I question how much valuable experience is gained from getting drilled in four straight. It worked wonders for Columbus.
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Ah yes.
That part is debatable.
You never know who the situationally motivated types are. I would be at least mildly interested to see if Jamie Benn has a different level, or if Brenden Morrow has a gear he can get to a la 2008.
But if it were Detroit you’d have to wonder about their mentality going into it. Or anyone. If they made it, it would be because they scaled a huge mountain that looks insurmountable right now. They would have their victory already.
by Brad Gardner on Feb 20, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
When I think of the experience side of it, I think of Chicago before they won the cup.
Though they don’t relate 100% to the Stars (but neither does Columbus). Chicago made it to the conf finals, then got trounced by the Wings. But that experience helped them prepare for the next season when they won it all.
With the Jackets, Mason had one good year, and then that was pretty much it.
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The Blackhawks were so much more talented than the Stars it isn't even comparable
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I don't think you can fairly compare them to the Jackets' lone trip to the playoffs either.
They don’t fit the mold of either. I’m just saying that playoff experience can be good for players, regardless of whether or not they are cup contenders. That’s all. I’m not saying the Stars are within a year or two of getting there, and I’m not saying that they are going to continue languishing like Columbus. My only point is that you shouldn’t sell the farm just because they are more than a piece or two away.
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The Stars already have playoff experience except Benn.
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Unless you count his AHL experience...
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 20, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know if I would count that, though.
NHL Playoffs are a different beast.
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Yeah I know
I was half-serious with that post.
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 20, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Benn singlehandedly lead two separate team's to their respective finals and won once and almost won the other time
im not worried about him
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 20, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Neither am I
I’m worried about the rest of our offense, or current lack thereof.
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 20, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
the whole playoff experience schtick is over stated by the media imo
who else exactly on or roster has never benn in the playoffs though aside from vinny and lars?
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 20, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Bachman
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I think thats the point
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its better than none on any level though
that’s for sure
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by Tsudbury on Feb 20, 2012 12:00 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
How many teams since the lockout have not had a recent 1st or 2nd overall pick on/leading their team?
1, and thats counting boston out of that list even though without seguin’s couple heroic games they might have not even made it to the cup finals
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 20, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
2 with detroit forgot them but they're not the same as the rest of us
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 20, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
detroit is the exemption from most arguments lol
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yes but seriously i don't think boston would've made it to the finals with out those 2 heroic games from seguin so that leaves 0 teams not named detroit that haven't had a recent first or 2nd overall pick in ~5 years before their cup
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 20, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah Benn is the one I'd be curious about.
He looks like he’s always on the edge of beast mode.
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And what if making it to the playoffs is what flips that switch permanently?
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Then they still aren't a legit contender?
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No, but you'd be one step closer.
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No you wouldn't....
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So Jamie Benn staying in beast mode wouldn't make them a better team?
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Jamie Benn playing four playoff games isn't going to make one iota of difference on the 2013 Stars
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Yes but if you can't make it there consistently year after year it doesn't matter
you need a team that can consistently win in the regular season and at the very least get into the playoffs 9-8 times every 10 years to be successful in any market not north of the mason dixon, much moreso in dallas
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 20, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
My only concern with your argument of “There’s still a chance you get some people into the building for some playoff hockey and you whet their whistles, so to speak. You can convert people easily using playoff hockey.” Is the fans that go to the playoff game excited with anticipation for “playoff hockey” only to see the Stars get drilled 6-1. The “ohh they suck” and “I’m never going to watch that again” will set in for so many bandwagon style fans that Dallas is home to.
Then let's do something about it.
I’m most certainly in the other camp, but if management is set on making the post season this year then get some guys in here to make that happen.
The fact is this group as it is cannot string together enough push to get into the top 8. So please, please, please just decide either you’re going for a spot and make a short term upgrade or smartly wave the white flag and start the transition to the next chapter.
I’m a fan either way, but this water treading is is what frustrates me.
by wonderboy14 on Feb 20, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
The problem is that you're limited on what you can do without doing serious harm to the future.
And the assets we have for (legitimately) selling don’t amount to a ton, either.
This is what happens when your shelves have been empty for so long, and running on a shoestring budget. You can’t move even if you want to.
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Then admit that and let's all move on
I couldn’t agree more and that’s what annoys me more than anything.
Everyone knows that they don’t have the firepower to make it on their own and they don’t have the resources to get any immediate upgrades. When that’s where you sit you only have 1 option and that is to retreat and regroup.
There’s no shame in that.
by wonderboy14 on Feb 20, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
They can still make moves... but it just needs to be done carefully.
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Exactly
And those careful moves aren’t going to affect the next 20 games.
As long as the moves fall to the future potential side of the ledger rather than the short term I’m 100% behind them.
I was/am a huge Grossman fan and hated to see him go to PHI of all places, but I was overjoyed to see 2 decent picks coming back. Those are the moves I personally want to see.
by wonderboy14 on Feb 20, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
Definitely keep Ryder
He seems to be the only one scoring on a consistent basis.
Offensively speaking, core guys plus Ryder should be off limits.
If you consider our top D pair would be a second or third D pairing on a strong team, the defense really needs help.
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Do the playoffs really matter that much this year?
I know it hurts like hell to miss them, but a salary floor team making the play offs is highly unlikely especially in a tough western conference.
I’m of the opinion that we sell smartly, moving UFA players that we dont want, for picks and maybe prospects.
I’ve all but given up on making the play offs, and pretty much ignore the standings.
Let’s just enjoy watching players such as Larsen, and Vincour develop. What will be, will be.
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by Matt Wright on Feb 20, 2012 10:39 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
I think it matters in terms of getting a fanbase energized again
Die hard fans will still be around next year even if they finish 10th. But in terms of attracting new fans sending a message that it’s not the same Stars of the past few years and things are getting better, I think it’s very important to make the playoffs. Gaglardi has essentially said that.
Do I think it will happen? No. But I do think it’s important to the franchise.
Oh I totally agree about getting fans back to the arena
But at the same time making moves for the sake of this season is more than likely the wrong thing to do in terms of the overall roster.
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by Matt Wright on Feb 20, 2012 12:00 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
"Do I think it will happen? No. But I do think it’s important to the franchise."
If the end-result doesn’t match the intent, does it really matter unless necessary steps via trades are taken? If Gaglardi and Joe keep banging the “Playoffs are a must” drum and do essentially very little-to-nothing in terms of improving this team, then they’d better be told that the fan-base isn’t comprised of fools who’ll buy the same old trite nonsense over and over again.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 20, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Agree they need to do something
I’ve been saying that for months. Doing nothing and riding this roster to a 10th-1th place finish, to me, sends a message that they are accepting mediocrity.
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"He (perhaps) could have traded Marty Turco in 2010"
He was pretty much untradeable. The only person he could have moved for a good deal was Modano, who was being coveted by WSH.
“but chose to keep him in an attempt to make the playoffs. "
In 2010? By the deadline, our goose was pretty much cooked.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 20, 2012 11:20 AM CST reply actions
RIght before the Olympic break the goose wasn't entirely cooked.
They had won a few games and he played spectacularly leading up to the Games. I think he had two shutouts (against Phoenix, both of them? Or something like that…). I know his value was low, but still.
by Brad Gardner on Feb 20, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
That's why I said "By the deadline.."
If Joe Nieuwendyk thought this team was still playoff-bound at that time, he might have been smoking something.
As for Turco: I doubt we’d have gotten a decent value for him. I wonder if he even tried shopping him around. I just hope he wasn’t expecting Chicago to call him and deal him Seabrook for Turco :D. ( something many on the Stars official boards thought that Chicago should’ve done when things didn’t exactly begin well with their series against the Predators. Yeah, right- as Chicago would discover next season.)
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 20, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
But yeah
Hence the (perhaps) I threw in there.
by Brad Gardner on Feb 20, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
If this team is dead-set on making the playoffs, please get some offensive help
Sigh…I know…it will cost an arm and a leg to pull it off.
problem being there really is none to be had... an arm and a leg is not worth it
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 20, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
As far as we know.
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It's not like all the teams in the log jam in both conferences outside of edmonton and columbus are going to start selling off their good ufa pieces
wait a minute thats what i want us to do….
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 20, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
You just never know
It isn’t like we’re privy to any discussions. They could have long standing offers in/out on god knows how many players. Goligoski wasn’t on our radar last year.
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we'd been scouting pittsburgh for months
we had no idea what for but there was something brewing, and that wasn’t a deadline “sell” that was a “hockey trade”
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 20, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
No doubt, but the Stars have been scouting some teams for months this year too.
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--iorange555 8/23/2011
I'm all for reshuffling the deck, i.e. making some big trades, but...
…unless you’re getting full value back, you’re only making you’re team worse. For example, I know a lot of fans would probably support a Ribeiro trade, but unless you’re bringing a player back who can put up 50-70 points a year, you’re only hurting youself by trading him just for the sake of shaking things up.
It’s entirely possible that Nieuwendyk is trying to trade all sorts of our players, but just isn’t getting full value back right now.
Ribeiro isn't going anywhere.
Ribeiro never will be traded.
To be honest
I don’t really care if Joe decides to buy or sell. We can debate about the merits of his decision at a later date. But for crying out loud, DO SOMETHING! If he sees the playoffs as a must, go out and get Carter or Ruutu or Hemsky or anyone. I don’t think the playoffs will help that much, but at least it’d be a choice. I’m sick and tired of living in limbo for the past four years. We can’t sit around and expect Glennie to suddenly become Brett Hull while Oleksiak becomes Hatcher and Campbell is the next Belfour leading us to another cup. We have to make a choice, and regardless of which we chose, not making the choice is the worst one of all.
"If the laws of physics no longer apply in the future, God help you."
by Virginian Star on Feb 20, 2012 12:17 PM CST reply actions
Bingo
I’m sick and tired of living in limbo for the past four years
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"You guys are talking about living forever like it’s a real thing, but I bust out a man shoving his head into a vagina, and it’s srs time?"
--iorange555 8/23/2011
Buy!
Buy some players this team gonna upset Sharks in playoffs.































