Dallas Stars Trade Nicklas Grossman To Philadelphia Flyers For 2012 & 2013 Draft Picks
by Brandon Worley on Feb 16, 2012 4:52 PM CST
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PrintThe Dallas Stars have announced they have traded Nicklas Grossman to the Philadelphia Flyers, in exchange for a 2012 second-round draft pick and a 2013 third-round draft pick.
Grossman was drafted by the Dallas Stars in second round of the 2004 NHL Entry Draft and made his full-season debut in 2007-08, the same year that Mark Fistric and Matt Niskanen made theirs as well. Playing mostly with Stephane Robidas for his first three seasons, Grossman became known for solid defense and limited mistakes -- without much offense or physicality.
Grossman has just three goals and 41 points in 333 career games with the Stars and the past few seasons has seemingly hit a bit of a stumbling block. Despite his size, Grossman never embraced his physical side and was limited in the overall effectiveness he had during games. While he has been one of the Stars best penalty-killing defensemen the past few seasons (and perhaps the best this year), Grossman's struggles with the puck likely meant he would not be re-signed as an unrestricted free agent this summer.
We've discussed the possibilities of Grossman's future with the franchise and whether his limited upside would lead to him becoming expendable this season. GM Joe Nieuwendyk came to the decision that with the pending and likely departure by the defenseman it was time to get what the team could by sending him to a team that needs him for a playoff run, and Philadelphia has made the most sense -- and has been mentioned as the potential destination for over a month now.
More thoughts on the trade after the jump, including why Nieuwendyk worked some magic to get a good return for Grossman.
Grossman has been a hard working, quiet and intense player during his time with Dallas and it's going to be tough to see him go. Like the departure of Niskanen last season, it's tough to see a defenseman that was developed by the team move on after showing such promise early in his career -- but Grossman's future with this team was likely coming to an end this summer.
It's unlikely the Stars would be willing to spend the money that Grossman could get on the open market and with a number of defensemen nearing the NHL level, he became expendable as a pending UFA. Philadelphia, in need of defensive depth after the loss of Chris Pronger, are likely headed to the playoffs and need a solid, stay-at-home blueliner like Grossman on the team.
What is impressive is what Joe Nieuwendyk was able to get in return. While it was thought that Grossman might be part of a package deal for perhaps an NHL ready player or prospect, it was unlikely that Grossman alone would be able to get much.
That Nieuwendyk was able to pull a 2nd and a 3rd rounder for Grossman is incredibly impressive. It's not a "fleecing" or anything of that sort, but it certainly is more value that one would reasonably have expected. While the Stars are unlikely to be going into a full "sale" mode (at least, I don't believe so), it's good to see Nieuwendyk addressing the likely departure of a player and getting some very good value in return.
The Stars are still attempting to build for the future and for the first time in a while have the chance to build up a stock of draft picks, that can be used for future trades or to attempt to get as many prospects into the system as possible. With two second-round picks this summer, the Stars have the chance to move up in the 1st if needed, or use two high picks on two promising players -- adding to a growing list of decent prospects in the system.
There's also the chance that these picks could be used as additional assets for another trade over the next 11 days, something the Stars didn't have before with their limited assets. Nieuwendyk wasn't willing to let go of the picks he had, but with additional picks gained by this trade he now has some extra firepower in a potential move at the deadline that would add something significant to this team this season and beyond.
Could the Stars still be looking at moving other pending UFA veterans? I have to think so, but I doubt it's the absolute signal of a firesale. What this does show is that Nieuwendyk is smart enough to see that in this situation, getting good value for players likely to depart this summer is something this franchise desperately needs -- especially if it adds valuable assets like the Stars received for Grossman.
Two draft picks, not earth-shattering, but something that is more than we could have expected. Overall, I say it's a good trade for the Stars and we wish Grossman well in Philadelphia, and wherever he may end up this summer.
Here's the press release:
Frisco, TX. - Dallas Stars General Manager Joe Nieuwendyk announced today that the club has traded defenseman Nicklas Grossman to the Philadelphia Flyers in exchange for a second-round selection in the 2012 NHL Entry Draft (originally Los Angeles' pick) and a third-round selection in the 2013 NHL Entry Draft (originally Minnesota's pick).
Grossman, 27, has skated in 52 games for the Stars this season, earning five assists and 26 penalty minutes. The 6-4, 230-pound defenseman has played in 333 NHL games scoring three goals and 38 assists for 41 points.
The Dallas Stars play the Calgary Flames tonight at American Airlines Center at 7:30 p.m. CT (TV: FOX Sports Southwest, Radio: 1310 The Ticket).
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agreed
But that compensation sounds fishy
Its supranatural, you know, a higher level than supernatural
by Bayouboy99 on Feb 16, 2012 4:55 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Excellent deal
Extra picks give you a lot more flexibility in the draft. Much more than I would’ve expected.
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by Josh Lile on Feb 16, 2012 4:56 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
yeah i was thinking it was going to be a guaranteed playoff teams 2nd rounder and that was all i was expecting
LA might not even make the playoffs
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 16, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely...even if they DO make the playoffs.
It’s still in the 18-19 range. Gets you a top 50 prospect or lets you take a flier on someone with potential that slips for whatever reason.
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I like that it is...
L.A.‘s pick in 2012 and Minnie’s in 2013. I don’t see either team finishing better than Philly in those respective years.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 16, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
I feel slighted
I will put my faith in with Joshs that this is for substantial bargaining at draft.
by Ottersaurus on Feb 16, 2012 4:59 PM CST via Android app reply actions
you don't seriously think that a UFA defensive d-man on a down year would fetch more than this?
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 16, 2012 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
The value is fine...
…It’s just that it is very much against what Gaglardi said.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 16, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree...
If you’re looking at picking up Carter, trading Jackets wouldn’t want grossman. On the other hand, they WOULD want picks or prospects. Now you have more of those to deal.
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Good point, Tsuds
..I just don’t have much expectations of landing Carter, though.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 16, 2012 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
Carter or no, i think draft picks are a good form of spending money when it comes to the trade deadline.
And considering we knew we were going to re-sign him at all, getting a 2nd and a 3rd for him is pretty good news. The picks will work well in a trade before the deadline, and, if not, they’ll work well to give us an advantage at the draft.
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"Carter or no, i think draft picks are a good form of spending money when it comes to the trade deadline."
McKenzie did say that this year’s draft picks will be used as currency. Should help us do something in the off-season if not now….like you said.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 16, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
This is exactly what I was thinking.
Just made our pot o’ gold a bit deeper.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 16, 2012 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
Does this influence the Carter talks at all?
I have the sad feeling that this means we won’t try for him (depends on if Joe sees Carter as a “buy” move)
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This also means more ice time for Fistric, so the fans will get their wish
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Actually, call me crazy, but what I was thinking is this is looking more like we're going for him
Perhaps the draft picks we’re getting in compensation for Grossman’s trade will potentially offset what we’ll give up to get Carter.
I’m just saying. I have a hunch. I may be crazy, so don’t take my word for it.
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 16, 2012 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing.
Gives us picks to possibly deal.
by Clint Norman on Feb 16, 2012 5:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
My thoughts exactly
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
This is going exactly to plan.
Deal the expiring contracts to replenish what you lose to get a top six forward.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 16, 2012 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
There've been rumblings about this one for weeks.
Not too surprising to see it happen. Too bad…I like Grossman. And I don’t want to see Pardy skate in any more games than I have to. Hurry back, Souray.
by WingnutInStarsCountry on Feb 16, 2012 5:02 PM CST reply actions
I'm really surprised
they got this much
by Trillmike on Feb 16, 2012 5:03 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Henri can be happy now.
Only one more Swede to go before the Stars are free and clear.
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Doesn't matter
Wait for his video.
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Oh hell...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw3e64sosEg
There you go, once for the road.
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by Henri Muroke on Feb 16, 2012 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
Hahaha
I’ll never mention it again.
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Another funny one. And a true one.
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by Henri Muroke on Feb 16, 2012 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
Hahahaha
Does Conan really come on in Finland? He claimed it does, but I figured he was lying.
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Yes, I saw him.
He looks like our former president.
And the have seen each other now.
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by Henri Muroke on Feb 16, 2012 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, Conan made the comparison several times.
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When Conan was in Finland.
They met. It was a funny moment.
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by Henri Muroke on Feb 16, 2012 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
And nice PR from Halonen.
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by Henri Muroke on Feb 16, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
Haha...nice
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And yes, on tv too.
Finland loves him.
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by Henri Muroke on Feb 16, 2012 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
Good to know Finland has a good sense of humor
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So do I.
And rest of Finland. =)
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by Henri Muroke on Feb 16, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
I was listening to the Monty Python musical yesterday
and thought of you while listening to “Finland” lol.
But that’s because I don’t know anyone else in Finland.
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by Henri Muroke on Feb 16, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
Unless you are...
Fors Fagerstrom.
Then again, you’d be a Swede in Finland, right?
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 16, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
That sounds like a winning name.
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by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 16, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
HAhah.
I remember that one now.
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by Henri Muroke on Feb 16, 2012 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
True enough. =)
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by Henri Muroke on Feb 16, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
Loui is not a Swede.
He is a Star. =)
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by Henri Muroke on Feb 16, 2012 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
And that video is perfect.
My Swedish friends love me for that. =)
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by Henri Muroke on Feb 16, 2012 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
Letting go is the hardest part :'(
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Thanks.
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by Henri Muroke on Feb 16, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
I did like Grossman.
Now Wandell.
Then Nemeth and Klingberg could have USA citizenships?
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by Henri Muroke on Feb 16, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
I think its a decent trade, Grossman struggling, big chance for Fistric...
Just keep Pardy of the ice please
by PDUNBAR on Feb 16, 2012 5:05 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Good luck Grossman.
I was just about to get some sleep.
Well that train is gone now. =)
What is it good for? Absolutely everything.
It's pretty good value for an expiring contract.
Good luck to Nicklas!
by oddlay on Feb 16, 2012 5:09 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I would have been happy with just a 2nd rounder for Grossman.
Getting a 3rd rounder is a bonus.
by Ronin56 on Feb 16, 2012 5:11 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Grossman
Had such potential that just never panned out. Good deal to get that much for him though
by jf55510 on Feb 16, 2012 5:12 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
All the best to Grossman, a real quality player
Good compensation and pieces for something bigger me thinks.
What...just...happened?
HWTL
Really good return
I was thinking they could get a 2nd at best.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 16, 2012 5:12 PM CST reply actions
Philly fan here
I don’t know much about this guy, but am happy with reports of a solid ‘forget-he’s-even-there’ stay-at-home defenseman. How good is he?
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Feb 16, 2012 5:12 PM CST reply actions
He's pretty solid.
Poor man’s Mattias Norstrom. The only problem with him is he can panic with the puck far to often, that’s only every once in a while though. He’s pretty much the definition of a rental defenseman.
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Having a down season here this year,
…but he is a positionally sound shutdown guy. Not very physical for his size, though.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 16, 2012 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
dont agree...
hes slow and not fit for the modern nhl game
by Starzfanatic on Feb 16, 2012 5:17 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Aside from the turnovers
He doesn’t give up many bad plays when he’s on the ice. He’s very positionally sound. Not lightning quick, but he’s quick enough.
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I've always liked him
A pretty solid stay at home guy like you’ve heard and I used to consider him by far our best stay-at-home guy, but fell out of favor with Stars fans this year because of what seemed liked increased turnovers and sometimes some lackadaisical play (or so it seemed to some). Became a bit of a scapegoat. Like they’ve said here before, his skill growth seemed to have plateaued instead of continuing to grow like many were hoping for.
Poor man’s Mattias Norstrom sounds dead on to me.
But a 2nd and a 3rd for a guy that probably wasn’t going to be re-signed with the Stars after this year? I’d say that’s some good grabs.
And like some above have said
was pretty disappointed with his physical presence. Wished he would have finished more checks and been more intimidating, especially this season, but it never seemed to show up like we all thought it could.
I thought the Stars wanted to get better sooner rather than later? Looking forward to drafting two goalies we might see in the AHL in about 5 years…it’s good to be a Stars fan!
by houstonstarsfan on Feb 16, 2012 5:13 PM CST reply actions
Good Luck To him
This also kind of gives us a marker for what someone like Souray might get if we try and shop him. I think in an earlier post it was said that we weren’t going to extend him so we might be trying to trade him too. We should get at least something equivalent to a 2nd and a 3rd.
Foot Issues Pending
But I think you’re right. If healthy, a trade to a contender could re-reinvigorate Souray. Bet he’d unleash beastly hell in the playoffs.
Yeah
If he is healthy before the deadline, I can see us seeing if anyone wants him. He has proven that he deserves to be at the NHL level. Plus in the playoffs he could be hugely valuable to a top contender. A big nasty rental defenceman some teams might trade some good picks/prospects. (Especially if packaged with someone else)
good riddens
grossman has reached his max potential…no puck moving skills, no offensive production and his physical play does not outweigh his poor position play….good job joe
by Starzfanatic on Feb 16, 2012 5:15 PM CST via Android app reply actions 1 recs
That's a bit too harsh. It's not like the man is Sean Avery
I’m not really a fan of his, but he has played decent for the Stars, at least until this season.
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grossman will look like a stud in philly
gets us some picks, ups his value for free agency, fills a hole for a cup contending team
win – win – win ? ? ?
Media will say we got fleeced as usual
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I'll bet they call this one pretty even.
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We are glad that Schenn is staying, for now.
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by Henri Muroke on Feb 16, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
media will say we got fleeced
and next year some team will throw stupid money at him and hell be making everyones “udnerperformer” list
This guy certainly did his homework
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Grossman gives Flyers some needed physicality.
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by The Hutch on Feb 16, 2012 5:24 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
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Grossman averaged 3rd highest PP (2:13) and PK (2:12) minutes for Dallas. He will help #flyers ST
Lol wut
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by Josh Lile on Feb 16, 2012 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
There goes the neighborhood.
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by Henri Muroke on Feb 16, 2012 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
poor flyer's fans thought they got a offensive dynamo
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 16, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
Flyers fan here. We are all fully aware that Grossman is not an offensive defenseman. We have plenty of offense (see last nights game). The PK and shot-blocking is an excellent addition and he’s definitely better than our current 5th and 6th D-men. My main concern is that he can get physical. With that type of size, I would expect a mean streak. I have read most of the posts here that state otherwise. I hope our coach and our fans can impart a little passion to this man.
I am from Philly and live in Dallas and there’s a BIGGGGGGGGGGGGG difference in the energy at the games.
by TheRealBoyer on Feb 17, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
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To those wondering
Grossman averaged FOUR SECONDS of PP time per game.
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Saw that on HFBoards...
…looks like he pulled up Souray’s stats. Laughable, nonetheless.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 16, 2012 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
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Nieuwendyk says this does not mean the Stars are sellers but that team feels it’s deep on D and couldn’t pass up the assets offered here
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by can we get hatcher back on Feb 16, 2012 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
Too early to tell.
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by Henri Muroke on Feb 16, 2012 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
The way I see it, he's merely done a currency exchange.
Liquidated an asset. Draft picks are much easier to trade than a struggling UFA D-man. Especially to a team looking to rebuild like the Jackets,
This move works well whether we’re buyers or sellers at the deadline.
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Gaglardi also said...
…“We’re not a team that will deal a player for picks.”
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 16, 2012 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
He was probably referring more to the core, or going for a full rebuild mode.
But I see what you’re saying.
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Since we both don't know what was on his mind...
…my understanding was that Gaglardi was more interested in getting roster players or ready-to-play-next-year prospects for their tradeable assets, instead of draft picks. Let’s not forget that Grossman was arguably the guy who was speculated amongst our fanbase to be dealt first
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 16, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
MAD SPECULATION ALERT
They traded him this early to get more assets to fast track negotiations for Mr. Carter.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 16, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
That doesn't apply to a limited defenseman who will be a free agent this summer.
What should the Stars have gotten in return? This is something the Stars couldn’t pass up.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 16, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
Fully agree
Getting picks early could help with other trades before the deadline. Just because they made this one move now doesn’t mean at all that this is the last trade of the season.
Wait a minute
This means pardy is playing…
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 16, 2012 5:36 PM CST reply actions
For now.
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by Henri Muroke on Feb 16, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
Wonder how long it would take Jordie to get here .... Rather see him than Pardy.
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Heika said there were no roster moves...
Looks like we have to grin and bear it until Souray gets back.
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Boo....considering where the Stars are at right now, I don't know that we can afford to grin and bear it
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by Larkin Churchill on Feb 16, 2012 5:39 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
With Nemeth close.
This is certainly a nice value trade by Joe. We have a log jam of good – if not spectacular – defensive prospects that can be an upgrade over Grossman.
Good guy….but certainly happy with Joe in this one.
Nemeth?
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I don't follow the logic of how nemeth is close if he's still in sweden...
not when JoBenn and Dillon are in Austin ready to fill in where need be. Nemeth has still got a ways to go.
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Nemeth will be in AHL next season and there is talk he could make the jump to NHL by mid-season.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 16, 2012 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
No, he's developing well.
He was drafted in 2010. 2 1/2 years for a defensive d-man isn’t unheard of. Grossman took right around 3, played 8 games two years after being drafted.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 16, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
Fair enough
Potentially our blue line is going to look really very different by this time next season… Lots of youngsters coming up probably.
Not that different.
Daley, Goligoski, Robidas, and Larsen will still be around. Pardy will still be under contract.
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You're forgetting the part where we trade robi to columbus
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Yeah, it's not going to be incredibly different.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 16, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
Elitserien is probably also the 3rd best league in the world
behind the NHL and KHL
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 16, 2012 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
Nemeth has contributed almost nothing offensively
But his overall numbers don’t look bad there, and we saw his defensive positioning, personality and physicality in the World Juniors.
Should be fun.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 16, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
He seems to have personality too.
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Really like Nemeth and his game so far.
And the dude is “fun”.
I loved the commercial where he smashed a russian doll.
What is it good for? Absolutely everything.
by Henri Muroke on Feb 16, 2012 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
He also like to start skating before the anthem.
That you might not like.
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by Henri Muroke on Feb 16, 2012 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
That was pretty funny.
And when he smashed the Russian dolls
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he's basically just grossman with a mean streak
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 16, 2012 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
And an actual personality.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 16, 2012 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
so everything we hoped grossman would be?
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
That would be fantastic if that's the case.
He did show well at the WJC, but I’m not holding my breath until I see how well he adapts in the AHL.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
His offense needs a ton of work
But he’s basically Grossman, with actual physicality and a mean streak.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 16, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
Sad to see him go, was one of his biggest supporters last year
However, when you’re playing poorly then what can you do?
Anyway I hope Joe moves up in the 1st round with these 2 picks and something else
Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?
by Great British Stars Fan on Feb 16, 2012 5:42 PM CST reply actions
They
say that then post scouting reports of him being “physical and gritty” and are then happy.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 16, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
Must of got confused with Pardy's numbering
I can understand missing the 7, they do come from Philly afterall.
Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?
by Great British Stars Fan on Feb 16, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
I'm jealous. What were the circumstances.
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Did you ask him
if he believes in miracles?
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 16, 2012 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
I did bring up that I loved his "Do You Believe In Miracles?!" call
He said it’s one of his all-time favorites
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 16, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
I remember reading something about when they were filming Miracle, that he recreated all of his dialogue from the call of the big game except for that last bit
He felt there was no way he could recreated the emotion from the original game.
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Exactly
They remastered the famous call a little bit. There was absolutely no way he could muster up the emotion to replicate that call.
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 16, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
#saysthekidincollege
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Wow....why did this get posted here?
This was supposed to go to the feeling old post…
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Ah lol
I was wondering why this was there
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 16, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
Stupid sbn
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#saysthesbnblogger
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
You have to buy my loyalty
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--iorange555 8/23/2011
you mean you don't get paid like the rest of us?
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
By choice
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--iorange555 8/23/2011
YOU GET PAID?
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 16, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
You're not sending me my checks?
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
I think you may be involved in a Western Union scam of some sort
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Well how else is worley supposed to get out of african prison if i don't wire him the money?
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Ahem
While Al Michaels joined the film to recreate commentary for the games, Gavin O’Connor decided to use the last 10 seconds of Michaels’ original “Do you believe in miracles?” call in the film because he felt he couldn’t ask him to recreate the emotion he experienced at that moment. Thus they cleaned up the recording to make the transition to the authentic call as seamlessly as possible.
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 16, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
Cool.
Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?
by Great British Stars Fan on Feb 16, 2012 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, and before you have a chance to say "Pics or it didn't happen!"
Here’s your proof!
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 16, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, baby.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 16, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
Is that you in the white?
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Gee, Graham, you got old suddenly, didn't you?
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Nice.
What is it good for? Absolutely everything.
by Henri Muroke on Feb 16, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
x
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 16, 2012 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
Hint.
<img width=“300” src=“http://”/>
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 16, 2012 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
Jerk
you could just say sizing
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I was showing him how.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 16, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
i refuse to listen to your sizing regulations.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
then 300 pixels tall, fool.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 16, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
i love this meme
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Is he related to Brett?
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Haha well it would def have be more involved
Maybe we can trade Dowell and Pardy for CBJ’s 1…. (sarcasm)
"Gross over-statement of his abilities"
potential CSN Philly headline
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by Josh Lile on Feb 16, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
this man ^
Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?
by Great British Stars Fan on Feb 16, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
I like it already.
What is it good for? Absolutely everything.
by Henri Muroke on Feb 16, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
i really can't believe how much the philly media is overselling him
he’s a “punishing” hitter
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 16, 2012 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
It's only gross income
because he can’t get to the net.
/accountant’s joke
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by Tsudbury on Feb 16, 2012 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
jesus....
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I feel like you almost literal facepalmed.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
this is much funnier to me today
than it would’ve been a month ago before my accounting classes.
bravo
by Travis Drybread on Feb 16, 2012 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
Robidas made Grossman!
Great return on a defenseman who Robidas made look NHL caliber! Now package those picks and Larsen for a real defenseman!
by robidasmvp on Feb 16, 2012 6:10 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Larsen is easily the most talented offensively and defensively of all 7 defensemen left on the roster. Are you afraid that Larsen is going to take Robidas’ icetime? Grossman kept Robidas from being overexposed defensively by covering for his untimely pinches and overaggressive defending and lack of size.
And by a real defenseman, do you mean some big slow lumbering pylon that can’t hack it in the new NHL where skating and mobility is everything?
by FrozenFailure on Feb 17, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
Im kinda shocked
and sad i liked gross
but im very happy with the return go gm joe
GET OFF NIEUWENDYK'S NUTS
by 8thegreat on Feb 16, 2012 6:14 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Looks like we got the ball rolling...
Dominic Moore to Sharks for 2nd rounder in 2012 (Minnesota’s).
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 16, 2012 6:59 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Solid addition
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Wow, I go to the gym and miss a trade.
I hope it’s not the only one we make.
Evidently Chi-town was in on Grossman, we asked for 2nd+Saad who was taken 1 pick before brett ritchie
they didn’t pony up so Nick is in philly
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 16, 2012 7:06 PM CST reply actions
Snap....
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do we get that for Robi
And we have a lot of draft picks now, we aren’t keeping all of those rt
Its supranatural, you know, a higher level than supernatural
by Bayouboy99 on Feb 16, 2012 7:18 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
They asked for a prospect...
…Me happy they did.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 16, 2012 7:43 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
grossman will play more physical in Philly
Dang you Luddy and your hair, that’s what I was thinking. That’s there game, it will rub off on him.
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 16, 2012 7:16 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Joe seems to like trading with the Atlantic division
First Pittsburgh, now Philly, next New Jersey? I’d be more than happy to take Parise off their hands.
"If the laws of physics no longer apply in the future, God help you."
Oh, that's right
I completely forgot about that failed experiment. Well darn. Now we have to wait until July 1st through plenty of “Parise is obviously going to sign in Detroit/Toronto with Weber and Suter” comments from the media.
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by Virginian Star on Feb 16, 2012 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
he's a ufa & there in the middle of the playoffs. he won't be traded here.
We have to pony up the money and convince him to come this summer.
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 16, 2012 7:23 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Good Luck Nicklas
Always liked him. I think he will end up being a very solid Norstrum type player. Not a big hitter, but he did use his size to ride guys out of the play down into the corners and tied them up in front of the net.
But with our surplus of blue line prospects coming up and his free market value where we wouldn’t want to match this is the smart move. Score that we got Chicago and Philly in a bidding war!
Thanks again for being a solid teammate.
All the best Nick
Had a soft spot for this guy, always liked him and his quiet go about my business attitude.
Its clear he was struggling a bit tho this year, and makes sense to move him if we wasnt going to re-sign.
I like the value we got, and these could be very usefull going into the deadline or draft.
Oh, and i hate waking up here in the UK to find we make a trade, Benn gets an injury and we win with an epic goal in overtime!
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