Dallas Stars Daily Links: Bob Sturm Believes Stars Should Be Sellers
by Erin Bolen on Feb 16, 2012 9:15 AM CST
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PrintThere are 11 days until the NHL trade deadline, which for some of us is way too soon and for others of us can't come soon enough.
But until we get there, there will be loads (and loads and loads) written about what every team in the NHL should do, and the Dallas Stars are no exception.
Bob Sturm, host of BaD Radio on The Ticket and guest on this afternoon's podcast, made his opinion known Wednesday in his column on Fox Sports Southwest. He makes the case that the Stars should make all reasonable assets available to anyone who will listen.
And while fans may keep the optimism alive in their hearts until the bitter end, Nieuwendyk needs to move swiftly to plan for 2012-13. As much regard as any of us has for the core that has been assembled for the last several years in Dallas, it seems that a roster with this much age must look to unload veterans and find players well south of 30 years old to move the franchise forward.
With the exception of Jamie Benn, Loui Eriksson, Alex Goligoski, and Kari Lehtonen, I would listen to offers on the rest. There are some that I would resist the urge to move unless I was blown away with an offer (Steve Ott, Trevor Daley) and there are others that I would be happy to flip for any reasonable offer.
He'll go into more detail about this on the podcast this afternoon.
After the jump, more on today's game against the Calgary Flames, the Stars crash local radio and a gaffe that will make you appreciate NHL refereeing.
- In this paywalled story, Mike Heika takes a look at how Joe Nieuwendyk is still trying to work both sides of potential trade deadline deals. [DallasNews.com]
- Mark Fistric has had a chance to play consistently after Sheldon Souray suffered "splintering" of a bone in his foot in a recent loss. That's a boon to the big defensemen who's been trying to find a regular spot in the lineup. [ESPN Dallas]
- The Stars made an area radio blitz Wednesday, sending nearly every member of the team out to do liners, interviews and other fun things. The DMN had a list of who went to which station (you can read into the assignments what you will), and the Stars posted one of the interviews on the site from when Steve Ott, Trevor Daley and Adam Burish crashed The Ticket's mothership. [DallasNews.com/DallasStars.com]
- Burish talks a little about this at the end of the radio interview, but the Stars are still promoting their Hockey and Heels event, which is scheduled for the end of the month. [NBCDFW.com]
- If you want to talk more about the merits of trading for Rick Nash, and our web traffic says you do, here's a nice article that lays out the point-counterpoint of trading the farm for him. You can apply this to selling the farm for any superstar, really. [Five Minutes For Fighting]
- The NHL to... Seattle? A West Coast gazillionaire is apparently going to announce plans for a pro-caliber arena today if all the details can get worked out. [Seattle Times]
- Oh Montreal Canadiens fans. I don't have any love lost for Zdeno Chara or the Boston Bruins either, but it's never nice to cheer when someone gets injured. [Backhand Shelf]
- I'm not sure this clip from Brad Marchand is nearly as bad as the one that got him suspended earlier this year. But given that he's now a repeat offender for this exact penalty and it happened as time expired in the period (meaning the hit was all about sending a message and not a legitimate attempt to separate the player from the puck), I expect to see more games for this hit. [Puck Daddy]
- Meet the enemy, part the first: The Calgary Flames are also on the quest for a playoff spot, and they've been getting a lot of their offense from the first line of Olli Jokinen, Jarome Iginla and Alex Tanguay. [Canada.com]
- Meet the enemy, part the second: Several of the Flames youngsters have also made an impact recently, and the team is trying to make those young players feel comfortable. [Calgary Sun]
- Around the Pacific Division: The Anaheim Ducks just keep winning and winning, this time posting a 2-1 victory over the Pittsburgh Penguins. [NHL.com]
- Other scoreboard watching: The Vancouver Canucks (who still, still!, haven't played the Stars) did Dallas a favor Wednesday as they scored a pair of third-period goals to defeat the Colorado Avalanche 3-1. [TSN]
- Oh Internet, you are so helpful when scouring for the absolute latest in trade deadline information. The only problem is when the people who post the information are fake. [Backhand Shelf]
- When you think NHL refereeing is bad, just remember what happened in the ECHL in a game between the South Carolina Stingrays and Florida Everblades. The fun starts about one minute into the video.
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They are going to have to be both buyers and sellers, if that makes any sense.
If they want to make the playoffs this year, which they seem devoted to doing, they’ve got to do something like getting Carter which will help get better both this year and in the future.
In addition, they need to be looking to move their veteran, expiring contracts (Grossman, Souray, etc.) to get younger overall and make room for some of the younger guys.
The way I look at it is they need to give some youth away in order to fill the need of a top six forward, and then trade the guys with expiring contracts to help replenish what they gave up to get the top six guy.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 16, 2012 9:38 AM CST reply actions
help them get better this year and in the future.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 16, 2012 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
This is pretty much how I see it.
I don’t think they should go into full sale mode, and I certainly don’t think trading Steve Ott is the right answer.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 16, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
1+.
What is it good for? Absolutely everything.
by Henri Muroke on Feb 16, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
Although Souray's foot issues won't help his trade value.
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by T-rom on Feb 16, 2012 10:03 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Well said. This is what I've been thinking as well.
Sturm is a bit off. I don’t see a reason to basically blow up the whole team which sounds like what he’s really suggesting.
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
i dont think thats what he meant
he meant that the stars should fully commit to a rebuild, but it wont be a full rebuild since they have a young core in place. he’s just against bringing in rental players and would rather see them move some older guys for picks or prospects and such.
by the way worst e-news ever...
by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 16, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
We definitely aren't in the market for rental players.
Anyone we get that can help us this season needs to be locked up long term and be able to contribute to future seasons as well.
This is, unfortunately, why a guy like Parise won’t be coming here via trade.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 16, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
A "rebuild" in my opinion is blowing up the team.
That’s exactly what a rebuild looks like. You never dump every single player. You jettison anyone “old” for picks and prospects and you start building on only the young core that’s left. As a result you figure you’re probably a couple years from actually competing. To me that’s not a good plan. Every team needs veteran presence. The problem with the Stars is that our veteran forwards aren’t producing points like we would hope. There are reasons for that. I understand looking to make changes and we should do that but when you say “we should trade away anyone except for four players,” that is blowing up a team. How could that statement mean anything other than that? Not a single commentator or even fan that I’ve heard has ever talked about us getting “rental” players. We’re not competing for the Cup here. Everyone is talking about picking up someone that can help now and longterm. It seems to me that Sturm is more talking about getting rid of people than picking up.
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
Just so I'm 100% understood, (and I realize this probably was not directed at me, but I want to state this)
I never said we should trade everyone but those four players. I said that there are four players that I see as being untouchable and that I would listen to offers, if presented, on anyone outside of those players.
Guys with expiring contracts that we don’t plan on bringing back or that don’t plan to come back need to be shipped elsewhere if at all possible. There is no sense in keeping them and getting nothing in return. If ANYONE places any kind of value in those pieces and will send us something that can help us in the future for them, there’s no reason not to do it.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 16, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
No I completely agreed with your initial assessment.
I was replying to heyitsthatguy and to Sturm’s comments. You and me I think are on the same page.
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
Cool.
I just really wanted to say that, haha.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 16, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
It makes sense to me
And I agree.
Also agree with Sturm about who the core players are that we need to build around.
I too agree with him on that, but I figured that keeping those guys was a given.
Benn, Eriksson, Goligoski, and Lehtonen are untouchable.
I’d prefer that we kept Ott, Ribeiro, Daley, the 1st round pick.
Any deal put forth involving anyone else should be considered.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 16, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
Larsen
should at least be on your “prefer to keep list.” He’s almost on my untouchable list.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 16, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Ya, he is.
I omitted him by mistake. I’d prefer to keep Larsen as well.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 16, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Meh
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You don't seem as high on him
but considering he’s a 21 year old dman playing his second year in NA and defensemen don’t seem to round into form until their mid 20’s I think very highly of him. He should get quite a bit better and he’s pretty good now.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 16, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
This is why I'd prefer to keep him.
But, I’d listen if we were offered something substantial for him.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 16, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
He isn't so good that he's untouchable.
He’s looked like a 20-30 point guy, but he isn’t particularly good defensively. He’s good in transition, and he does support the puck well so I see the upside. I just question how high the upside is, and with Daley/Goligoski locked in for a while how much room is there for another guy in that mold?
If he develops defensively then sure, but I don’t think it’s so certain that he can’t be moved in a deal to get a young top 6 forward.
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I think
he’s already comparable defensively to guys much older on the roster. I think he ends up better defensively than Goligoski and a potential ceiling as good offensively. Even if he ends up being Daley offensively(which I think is worst case) I think he ends up better than Daley defensively. Defensemen that young aren’t usually near where they will be defensively later on.
So, untouchable? Maybe not, but really close to me. It would have to be a special deal. I wouldn’t trade him in a package for Carter.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 16, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
how could that possibly be a goal, crazy !
On the main topic, I’m in total agreement with Bob, no point in taken one quick step forward (being buyers and give up picks and prospects despite the good chance of not making the playoffs or even advancing through the first round of the playoffs) and then taking two steps back as prob have wasted picks and prospects ! Patentice is key ! If could add a young top 6 scoring forward I would be very happy ! JVR from the Flyers would be great but doubt we have the assets to get him.
by PDUNBAR on Feb 16, 2012 9:52 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Didn't read the thread,
but there are a lot of tweets saying nash and carter aren’t at practice this morning…
sturm is right yet again
everyone he listed as not wanting to trade is who is on my list as well, and probably everyone else’s too. i would like to see souray, robidas, and grossman moved. not all three but at least one if not two. morrow is clearly not healthy so he cant be moved, as much as i would like to turn the page on him, but that will come next off season i think. i dont think there are alot of trades that could be made to help the team get better now and also in the future, those guys will probably cost a premium. if thats too difficult i would rather joe make moves that will help down the road, i would still love to see this team in the playoffs, but one round of playoff hockey here is not going to help much. it wont be a fire sale since the team has a good young core, but im tired of seeing some of the veterans on this team tread water. i would trade ribs but there isnt enough depth at center for that to be reasonable. im always looking down the road and i would like the team to do the same thing. the stars really drafted poorly for quite awhile before joe came, he seems to understand the importance of it so i would rather he continue to do that rather than give up the kids for someone.
by the way worst e-news ever...
Go read what someone commented on the Sturm article.
They basically said I used to be a fan but the mgt doesn’t try to put a decent team on the ice and the team should be moved to Canada.
Needless to say I was thrilled.
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by T-rom on Feb 16, 2012 9:58 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
yeah i saw that
i didnt think it was possible to be that uninformed. i dont know why people that tom would wave a magic wand and make it all better. im glad that guy isnt a fan anymore, hes clearly and idiot and should probably be rooting for the cowboys or heat.
by the way worst e-news ever...
by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 16, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
He is angry and frustrated...
and he needed to vent. Nothing more to read there.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 16, 2012 12:07 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
i didnt know they could give the goalie auhority to reset the goal.
On another note I have to agree with Sturm. I dont want to bust up the team, however if we get generous offers from other teams that benefit us this season and beyond we should take it. Im done watching a losing season with aging players that i cheer my heart out for. Hopefully we can keep some of the more solid vets like Daley, Ott, Robidas, but otherwise its time for spring cleaning.
by Ottersaurus on Feb 16, 2012 9:58 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Burish on diving in The Ticket interview
made me think. Why do they only call diving as an offset to another penalty. I’m not sure I can ever remember a diving call as a standalone penalty where the other team goes on the pp as a result?
It really should be a standalone penalty.
I have never understood why it’s only used to offset a penalty. If the guy dove, why is the other guy being penalized?
by Travis Drybread on Feb 16, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly
Diving should be a penalty in it’s own right. I show my ignorance here, as I thought diving could be called without being tied to an offsetting penalty.
Anything in response to a penalized trip etc, should be considered embellishment (which should also be penalized, as it is).
It can be called as a standalone.
But I don’t think I’ve ever seen it actually called.
I recall it happening once I believe
Zubov appeared to trip somebody (no clue who) but the other guy ended up with the only penalty. That was the first time I had seen diving called at all. But yeah, it’s very rare to be called by itself.
I feel like I saw Hasek get called for a couple standalone diving penaltys when he was with the Wings.
He did his best “Wyle E. Coyote off a cliff” impression a couple times when someone skated by him. Once while in front of his net I think against Calgary. The other he flopped while he was behind his net. Not sure against who but I seem to remember he fell and the ref raised his arm for diving and the forward who maintained puck possession came around to the front of the net and scored.
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Carey Price tried to in OT last night. It wss wonderful.
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btw, that was a great game go watch sans Pierre McGuire
He is such a douche. I could see why people wanna punch Subban in the face so much. Eric Cole is a really good player, Losing him really hurt Carolina and Eric staal. Just a fast hockey game with lots of skill
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 16, 2012 2:24 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Subban is kind of a bad ass
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that's racist.
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no wait. homophobic.
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more anti-subbanic
The dude is really good, and agitates like the best of them. Which I think aggravates people more than anything, mad skill that backs his mouth up
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 16, 2012 3:32 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Wouldn't mind seeing him here.
but that’ll never happen.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 16, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
totally agree. he's douty untouchable now.
Except I think Montreal management was kinda pissed at him in the beginning. Now, they know they got gold
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 16, 2012 3:53 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
We all know from watching the Ducks
there are plenty of times it should be a stand alone penalty. From the Ducks standpoint, why not try it. The worst that happens is you end up 4v4 even strength. If it works you get a pp out of it. If they don’t want to be like soccer they need to call it as a standalone if they see it that way.
wow my whole comment was erased and then only posted the subject
someone just delete it please, i dont have it in me to write all that stuff again. in a nutshell, a trade that helps now and in the future will be difficult to find. i would rather see joe do something for the future than right now, grossman, robidas and souray, not all but one or two of those three should be moved. fire sale wont happen because of a good young core.
by the way worst e-news ever...
by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 16, 2012 10:01 AM CST reply actions
I see the whole thing.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 16, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
That happened to me too on a post
and it also showed as a Worley … double/triple posted the subject. When I refreshed the body was there and only posted 1×. Strange.
happened to me
in another thread.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 16, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Burish said Ribs was a little ticked
at him for twittering that 16yo pic of Ribs. I actually lol’ed at both the pic and hearing Ribs was mad about it. And they were riding him pretty good about the Kardashian crush.
Be pretty funny to have about 300 of those pictures printed off and lining the glass during the pregame skate.
I’m sure everyone outside of Ribs woud think it was hilarious.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 16, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Or a dark haired Kardashian type
holding one of them and waving and preening at him! Maybe with dark red lipstick and she could leave a lip impression on the glass for him! Get Razor and Ralph in on it and get the whole thing on tape.
That would be awesome … though mgmt may not appreciate it if Ribs had a bad game.
He typically plays better when he's upset.
But generally he’s mad at the other team. Not the fans/Ott.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 16, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
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They are claiming defending big d is the front runner for Carter.
He's saying that I'm saying that the Stars are the "front runner"
Which means he didn’t read the article at all.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 16, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
6 year old
Khazakstanian sheep herders are qualified to write for that site.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 16, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Well, they are the #1 exporters of potassium
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Apparently I am a 6 year old Khazakistanian sheep herder.
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you write there?
I’m sure there are great writers writing there, but last I heard literally anyone could. So when people source it, it doesn’t necessarily have any credibility whatsoever. A lot of times it’s no different from a random forum poster just making something up or giving a stupid opinion.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 16, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Heh
I’m sure there are great writers writing there
No there aren’t.
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Ha,
should have said there might be..I have no idea I haven’t seen anything good from there but I don’t pay attention to it.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 16, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
lol no. I did one time.
I made up an article, just to prove a point about how anyone can write there. Turned out it was a little too newsworthy, and got over 1,000 hits in a couple days, and featured on their main hockey page.
I took it down and cancelled the account, with my point having been made. The entire thing was made up, and total idiocy.
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SB Nation has its own share of idiots who are bestowed the honor of bloggers.
One dropped by here just yesterday with his “Ribeiro writhed in 2004” nonsense. A visit to the Habs’ page will expose some more. It almost seems to me like the ability to dissect CORSI, COQ10, or Omega-3 ratings supersedes the ability to convey ideas that are well-researched, intellectual honest, and unbiased.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 16, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
x
It almost seems to me like the ability to dissect CORSI, COQ10, or Omega-3 ratings supersedes the ability to convey ideas that are well-researched, intellectual honest, and unbiased.
His opinion about Ribeiro was wrong, but that has nothing to do with advanced stats.
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"but that has nothing to do with advanced stats."
That was a general critique on many bloggers on SB Nation and not pointed towards him in particular. You missed the “a visit to the Habs’ page” part.
Aside: I don’t know if you do the CORSI analysis here and that’s why you reacted. I don’t really buy into the CORSI concept and therefore, don’t read the articles. No offense meant :).
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 16, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
You don't buy into the concept that getting outshot consistently is a bad thing?
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Weird...got cut off
Because that’s all Corsi is. It isn’t a type of analysis. It’s a stat. It’s just shot differential. If a player is on the ice for 10 shots against while generating 5 he has a -5 Corsi. It can be adjusted (based on proven math) for the difficulty of the ice time a given player receives. It’s actually a very useful tool.
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Like some idiot who writes for a blog for a certain baseball team (those of you who frequent LSB know who I'm referring to).
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That was almost Eklund-ian in its execution..
Would be ironic if Eklund didn’t pick up on this.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 16, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
well I've definitely been on Mr. Carter the minute Columbust
Started tanking and the cancer rumours started spreading again. So if DBD is the engine for the Carter train, so be it
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 16, 2012 1:24 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
All of the speculation cracks me up!
He’s a slippery one that Mr. Nieuwendyk! We have no idea how he’s approaching this trade deadline. There are so many factors to consider….especially the expiring cba. Sorry Sturm, but a fire sale should not happen. The players some people are ready to trade away I don’t understand. From Robidas to Morrow to Nystrom….really? Personally, I think we’ll be quiet at the deadline, maybe one or two small moves. But none of us or anyone in the media really knows! The big changes will come in the off season. That’s when the real evaluation of this team will happen and they’ll figure out who really needs to stay and who goes. Patience!
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by James on Bass! on Feb 16, 2012 10:39 AM CST reply actions
Marchand Hit
I don’t get it … when did hip checks get outlawed? I agree, you don’t normally see hip checks in that area of your offensive zone. Also with a second left in the period any hard check when you aren’t in any type of scoring position is a little sketchy. Ignoring those two issues, the hit itself is upper thigh to hip level. This isn’t even close to below the knee that clipping is defined as in the rule book.
If you don’t like the other aspects of the hit then go with roughing or interferance. But are they really saying any hit below the waist/hip is now clipping?
I thought he was targetting the knee myself
Plus I don’t think you can remove the circumstances surrounding the hit. Late period/no bearing whatsoever on the play from a repeat offender. Interference/roughing doesn’t coney the same “stop doing that, you ass” tone as clipping.
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Yeah, I wondered if there was some knee on knee
from that leading leg. Could not tell from that camera angle, but the ref’s angle would have been good on that. Combined with the other factors I agree with a penalty. Just seemed really high for clipping, but sometimes the refs have to make what happened fit a rule.
They need a new foul for being an A$$hat! Unfortunately, one S. Ott would likely be on the receiving end of that one.
Yeah...I wouldn't have been shocked about any of those different calls.
Ultimately it was just a dick play. As long as they called something I guess that’s really all that matters.
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well we know Chicago wants burish back
They havnt been the same team since, he left. They also need a D-men like grossman or robi. I would think we would have what it takes to get Carter. Bachman + Vincour + a 2nd or 3rd. I imagine they would throw in mason. They & him need a divorce in the worst way. Honestly I don’t think we’re that many players away from being better than any of the teams fighting for the last 2 spots. We just have guys playing out of there normal roles.
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 16, 2012 10:57 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Chicago may want Burish
but I think their issues have a lot more to do with other players they had to let go due to their salary cap hell than with losing Burish!
Burish was there glue guy. last year proved that
I love the guy, but he means more to them at this point.
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 16, 2012 11:18 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
and chicago's problems aren't scoring
Burish & grossman help there pk and I think grossman would thrive on there 3rd pairing.
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 16, 2012 11:22 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
What you think we'll be able to get in return?
by Travis Drybread on Feb 16, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
I would think that for both of them
You probably would expect either a decent roster player back/ a lowish pick or a good prospect/lowish pick. Personally for both Burish and Grossman… See if you could pick off one of their centre prospects, they have a lot of them. Maybe someone like Brandon Pirri/
or Kevin Hayes and a 5th. But I could be overvaluing/undervaluing the package… Its pretty hard to guess what they might offer if they wanted them…
from the Hawks I would target players like
Andrew Shaw, Bryan Bickell and Nick Leddy ! Can’t see Stars getting any of their top 6, perhaps Stalberg but he’s playing well on their top line.
by PDUNBAR on Feb 16, 2012 11:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
A lot of proposals
I’ve seen involve Frolik. Might be an intriguing reclamation project. Still really young, scored 20 goals his first two years then in the last two his offense fell off completely for some reason. Also would be another Czech to hang out with Mr. Vincour.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 16, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Frolik is making serious bank.
They have a deep pool of center prospects. That’s probably where you’d be looking.
Nick Leddy, while talented, doesn’t really fill a need here.
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Frolik
is making 2.1 next year and 1.9 the year after, his last under contract. Not much especially if he regains form, then he’d be underpaid. They do have a deep pool of centers, but Frolik isn’t doing anything for them either and seems like a guy in need of a change of scenery.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 16, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
that's what they said about him, when he left Florida
I think he might be a little fragile mentally. That’s not a good fit for this team. We have enough of those already
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 16, 2012 1:05 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
2.3 mil cap hit for a guy that has been useless this year
I don’t see much of a reason to target him
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I would like to see if they could fetch us the Mckenzie kid
But I know that might be day dreaming. There just so loaded with top 6 talent, hard to think we couldn’t get one of there players that can’t break through on there top lines
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 16, 2012 12:11 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Worth noting that they're falling apart on the backend after moving Campbell
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just read the post from matchsticks & gasoline on Nash/Carter
The hate for Carter is verbatim with only reading the press clippings. Has Carter really said he wants out of Columbus, I thinks it’s just an obvious mulligan. It didn’t work how management hoped it would and both sides are in agreement on that. Columbus being Columbus is the reason people are dogging him It also sounds like how most of the people on this blog felt about carter before BW’s post yesterday.
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