2012 NHL Trade Deadline: Jeff Carter, Not Rick Nash, Could Be Dallas Stars Target
Over the past 48 hours the hockey world has been buzzing over the potential trade of Rick Nash. Just over a year since committing to the Columbus Blue Jackets long term and buying into their rebuilding plan by signing an 8-year, $62.4 million contract, Nash has made it known that he is ready to go elsewhere.
The Blue Jackets decided this past summer to try and money whip their team into shape with a number of free agent signings and blockbuster trades, which on paper seemed like a grand plan. The addition of Jeff Wisniewski on the blue line was going to add power from the defense, with the hope that Steve Mason would rebound and go back to the stellar play of his rookie season.
The Blue Jackets also made one very big trade, acquiring Jeff Carter from the Philadelphia Flyers. Carter was going to add some much needed scoring depth to the firepower provided by Nash and for the first time since becoming a franchise the Blue Jackets were looked at as early favorites to at the very least make the playoffs.
As we all know that plan never came to fruition. The Blue Jackets have been one of the worst teams in the NHL and proof that it takes more than money to build a winning team. With Columbus looking at a lottery pick this summer and another long rebuilding process ahead, Nash has made it known he's ready to move on to a successful franchise. He's not willing to go through yet another rebuild of the only team he's ever known.
Now, every team with Stanley Cup dreams are rumored to be interested in Nash -- with some saying the Dallas Stars should target him as well. With Nash in complete control of the team he is traded to and with so many teams likely interested, the price will likely be absurdly high for a top-20 scorer with six years remaining on his contract.
Yet Nash is not the player the Stars should be targeting, it's Jeff Carter -- who may have been the target all along.
Let's play a game of speculation, shall we?
We've known for a few months now that the Dallas Stars and Columbus Blue Jackets have been scouting each other nearly every game. The Stars have sent Scott White, GM for the Texas Stars, to scout a Blue Jackets game, and even as recently as last night the Stars had scouts in Columbus. Now, these scouting trends are never sure signs of a pending trade but we do know that Joe Nieuwendyk likes to scout his potential trade targets well before actually making the transaction -- Alex Goligoski has been on the Stars radar for months before being traded to Dallas.
Then we take the fact that both the owner, Tom Gaglardi, and Joe Nieuwendyk have made it known that the Stars are likely not going to be sellers at the trade deadline and are in fact looking to add scoring firepower to the roster. The term "young, top-six forward" has been used several times over the past few weeks -- especially by Gaglardi -- and there are only a few truely valuable candidates that fit that description that could be targeted by the Dallas Stars.
There's also the fact that unless an absolute tank job occurs over the next week or so (entirely possible, and likely happening) the Stars will remain solely focused on making the playoffs while a hope still exists for that possibility. The Stars, in looking to accomplish this feat, obviously need some much needed scoring depth and added firepower. The Stars will not make the playoffs without some sort of addition, especially to the top six, and it seems the team is focused on at least attempting to make this happen.
The best thing for the Stars to do, if this were indeed the plan, would be to make a move that would not only benefit the team in the here and now but also at least be a needed addition for the future as well. The Stars may have a few young prospects on the way in the next few seasons, but adding a proven goal scoring winger/center that is just entering his prime and is under team control for a number of years is a path the Dallas Stars desperately need to explore. While the addition of such a player would be invaluable for the next few months, being able to use that trade to continue to improve for the future as well would certainly be the best case scenario.
Rick Nash, an NHL star capable of easily producing 30+ goals any given season, is under control for the next six years. While his $7.8 million cap hit seems relatively exorbitant, in reality his contract is right on par with other forwards who are consistently in the top 20 scorers in the NHL. That Nash has accomplished this in Columbus, surrounded by less talented teammates, makes him a very shiny object of affection of any team with Stanley Cup or even playoff aspirations. That he could also be the centerpiece of that team for years to come makes him even more valuable, especially to the Columbus Blue Jackets.
Dallas Stars fans would love to see Nash on the ice at the AAC, wearing the black, gold and green. Despite playing in his ninth NHL season, Nash is just 27 years old and still has plenty of good years ahead of him -- perhaps better than he has been so far in his career. His level of stardom would also be invaluable in helping to resell the team and the sport to the fans in Dallas, as a player like Nash -- along with Jamie Benn -- would go a very long ways towards building up interest as the teams fights for relevancy in a very fickle sports town.
Unfortunately, the possibilities of Rick Nash coming to Dallas are slim. Nash has full control over his potential destination and since he's under contract for years to come, there's no rush to move him before the trade deadline -- at least not by the Blue Jackets. This means that the price for Nash via trade will skyrocket as teams try to not only convince Columbus -- but Nash himself -- that they present the best option as a trade partner. That Nash will likely want to head to a proven contender will also set the Stars behind, as there's no guarantee how long the building of this team will last.
So, the Stars could look to the next best option on the Blue Jackets, a player that has had been frustrated since going to Columbus and who is in the middle of an extremely frustrating season -- but has the talent to be extremely impactful as well . Jeff Carter, traded to the Blue Jackets last summer by the Flyers, had scored 115 goals in the three season preceding the trade and is widely seen as one of the premiere goal scorers in the NHL. This season, playing on a bad Columbus team while fighting through injuries, he has just 12 goals and nine assists 36 games. Well below what we'd expect from Carter, it's been made known he's unhappy with his situation and would likely welcome a change.
While Nash is certainly the superstar name the Stars would love to have, Carter represents just as much offensive opportunity and potential as a pure scoring winger. He puts up well over four shots per game throughout his career and is pure offense, something the Stars desperately need in their top six.
What creates some hesitation when discussing a trade for Carter is the contract he signed with Philadelphia before being traded. With 10 years remaining after this season, and a cap hit of $5.2 million, some feel the contract is too long and too expensive -- around $6-7 million actual salary -- for the Stars to make such a commitment, especially after his issues with his new team have been made known.
The trick here is the fact that Carter's NTC was nullified when he was traded to Columbus, meaning that the Stars could decide to get out of that contract in a few years if the two sides decide to part ways. So, while that long contract is certainly a concern it's far from the ball-and-chain that some are making it out to be when discussing a potential trade.
Finally, there's the issue of just what it would take to get Carter via trade -- the same issue that plagues any talk about a potential Nash trade. While teams are clamoring to get Nash, the hope is that the Stars could be able to work out an affordable deal for a player who obviously wants out of Columbus. The Jackets spent a first round pick (#8 overall) and Jakub Voracek to get Carter last summer. While it's unlikely it would take a top-ten draft pick to trade for him now, the Stars would have to part with a top prospect in order to even contemplate making such a trade.
In Jack Campbell, the Stars have a promising trade asset that would be valuable to Columbus and could be the centerpiece for any such deal. It's likely that Campbell would be part of a package that includes another relatively high draft pick and a current NHL roster player (perhaps Eric Nystrom), but if the Blue Jackets covet a potential franchise goaltender -- the Stars have the perfect piece of the puzzle to start the conversation. While Campbell's struggles since being drafted are well known, there's the fact that the development of goaltenders are incredibly hard to predict, especially at the OHL level.
Perhaps all of the scouting of the Blue Jackets is indeed in an effort to get Rick Nash, with the Stars looking to make one heck of a splash at the trade deadline. Realistically, they're likely looking for a player that would be more affordable via trade and could still be a big part of this team for the near future -- someone like Jeff Carter.
Of course, the Stars could be targeting R.J. Umberger or Antoine Vermette, and this entire conversation would be for naught.
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Do.not.want
especially if it means losing a first rounder.
Agreed. Our 1st rounder could be pretty high. The only thing that I would give for this "yet another reclamation project" is "future considerations".
by Supernova10 on Feb 15, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Carter is as far from a reclamation project as they come.
He broke his foot and is playing for a crappy team, one way worse than Dallas. It’s no wonder his production has dropped.
It also would not take a first round pick to get him, if Campbell is involved.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 15, 2012 11:47 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
i wouldnt trade campbell
his value isnt even close to what it will be here in a few more years, if youre going to trade him you should wait until his value has peaked. but i absolutely do not want jeff carter on this team. his contract is way too long and i simply dont believe he’s worth what his contract says he should be. his contract isnt his fault since everyone wouldve agreed to that if it was offered. but i think between that and the things we’ve heard about him i dont want him here. hes a good player being paid like hes great. also if you add him into the mix benn gets moved back to wing and im tired of seeing him moved back and forth, it can stunt his development if you keep moving a player. all in all i dont just say no to jeff carter, i say hell no!
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by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 15, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Alrighty then.
I don’t agree with anything you’re saying, but we can just leave it at that.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 15, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
i actually agree with what you said about him not being a reclamtion project
he’s a good player, but i just wouldnt trade campbell because i think his stock will be much higher down the road. carter just has too much smoke around him, some of it may be overblown but as we all know, where there’s smoke there’s fire. now if we could get cbj to pay a portion of his salary or can get him for cheap then im more open to the idea. i dont look at his production that much since he’s been hurt and because of where he plays. theres just too many things about him that give me a bit of a bad feeling. im more in favor of the stars selling anyway so maybe that has more to do with it. i agree with points on both sides of the arguement though, so i guess im of two minds on this guy.
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by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 15, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
+1
Also, I’ve been pretty much on the Carter bandwagon since He was in Philly. We’ve never seen a player like him in Dallas.
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 15, 2012 1:09 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
he was in the twilight of his career.
Carter is in his prime
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 15, 2012 1:43 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Saying Hull was in the twilight of his career is going too far.
He was definitely a veteran at that point but he was still quite effective.
I know what Brett hull brought to the stars as a player
I just meant he was on the back 9 of his career with the stars. He wasn’t in his prime. Carter is. That’s all I was saying.
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 15, 2012 2:59 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Boo good players
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lets put it this way
pay chris bosh like he’s chris bosh, not like hes lebron or wade. carters contract says he should be nash but he isnt rick nash. thats all im saying, he is a good player but i dont think he can ever live up to that contract is all. we’ve argued about this before but im just on the fence about the guy, im not pro carter but im not anti carter either.
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by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 15, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
He has a cap hit of $5.2 million with an actual value of around $6 million a year.
For a 35+ goal scorer, that’s not too shabby.
And I’ve seen him play, a lot, especially with Philly. He’s an offensive machine.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 15, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Why exactly is Rick Nash better than Jeff Carter?
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Yeah
I’m not enamored with he or Nash like some are, but I don’t think Nash is better either. Carter’s contract is very fair although I don’t like the length.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 15, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
he'll be 38 or something at the end and owed very little money
that would be when your successful franchise with money to burn buries him in the minors
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 15, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
For some reason
the graphic is missing from your insanity wolf meme. Only the text is showing.
Carter scores quite a bit if I’m not mistaken. I’m looking at his career numbers.
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by DirtyBrotenScoundrel on Feb 15, 2012 1:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Come on man!!!!
This article just proved all of your theories wrong. If Kari is our franchise goalie, then Campbell is expendable. Trading him for Jeff Carter makes me feel better about drafting him so high. A #1 who we won’t see in Dallas for a long time for a proven goal scorer who helps us rt now and in the future is what other good teams do. It makes drafting Campbell brilliant, instead of a wait & see.
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 15, 2012 1:06 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
regarding campbell
my whole point was that his value isnt as high as it probably will be in a few years. i think you can benefit more by keeping until hes almost ready and then you can hold a team hostage that needs a starting goalie. i dont care much about this arguement that much anymore since i have a sinus infection and am about to eat lunch.
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by heyitsthatguy! on Feb 15, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly.
Vishnevskiy went from “the next Zubov” to scoring on his own goal. Nieuwendyk converted that asset into something useable before he became a complete bust. Looking back, it was an absolute steal. I’d like to do that kind of trade again with Campbell before he ends up being a complete bust. He’s been horrendous since getting drafted by us.
You dont know that though
Goalies are incredibly volatile
It’s much more likely that he never does anything than becomes a very good nhl goalie.
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It's harder to play goalie
at lower levels as well, or bad teams. Bachman’s #’s in Austin before the call up were pretty terrible. Much better in Dallas.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 15, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
Goalies in general are volatile.
There is no reason to expect Campbell to be a star
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Which is why you dont draft them in the first round *cough*
nashville has been a treasure trove of good goaltenders over the years and i don’t think they’ve ever drafted one in the first
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 15, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
The Stars have been a treasure trove of
good goaltenders … and I think Campbell is the only one drafted in the first round. Though that is a whole other discussion and water under the bridge. But since we have him, how do we maximize value? If the BJ’s have him as the signature piece thats good, but I want them to view that as getting their #1 pick back and we only need to come up with something that approximates Vorchek.
I'm sure they do.
They likely see it as getting a first round goaltender and getting to keep their first round pick.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 15, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Hmm, he does score a lot.
He’s big, he scores and he’s right handed. I’d be all up for it, depending on the cost, of course.
From the article it sounds like he can play wing or C.
His FO% is around 50% for this year and 55% last year.
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is he that much of a bad guy? I don't know much about him and what happened in Philly.
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from what I've heard
He allegedly had an affair with Scott Hartnell’s wife and brought a rift in the locker room with Pronger with his party lifestyle. Mike Richards (Captain) would stay out at the bars and were late to meetings.
by darksidecowboy on Feb 15, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Um...
Isn’t Scott Hartnell a confirmed bachelor???
by WingnutInStarsCountry on Feb 15, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Complete hearsay
Which can be nullified if only for the comment made above.
I know it was confirmed that
He and Mike Richards were big on going out together. The Flyers had some type of no drinking promise that every player on the team but Carter and Richards signed last year.
Such a policy is absolutely ludicrous in any profession
Richards and Carter stood up against signing the form for that exact reason (I’m also pretty sure they weren’t the only two on the team who didn’t sign).
Perhaps the two of them went out more often then other guys, but that doesn’t mean they were the out of control party guys the Philly management painted them as. Do you think LA would actually trade for Richards if that were the case, knowing full well the LA scene is much more pumpin than Philly?
Wasn't Richards the captain in Philly last year?
What’s the point in having a team policy if the captain doesn’t buy in??
"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."
Yes he was
And he stood up for the players’ ability to make their own decisions rather than giving into a ridiculous management request.
That's all absolute hearsay and I don't think should have an impact on this trade possibility.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 15, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Hopefully....
we’re not scouting Umberger or Vermette! I’m sure it’s Nash or Carter. As far as the topic of Carter. It’s interesting considering he had some formidable years in Philly. Playing on a line with Benn and Erikkson could be dangerous. Considering both he and Columbus want out would make the cost a bit less. However, Carter’s attitude and length of term aren’t too attractive. Maybe a change would do him good though. Nonetheless it’s nice knowing that we have scouts throughout N. America looking for future Stars.
by darksidecowboy on Feb 15, 2012 11:26 AM CST reply actions
Do.not.want...
I strongly doubt if Carter would like playing here too and I may not agree dealing a lot in return to a future division rival.
Carter for Kadri, Colborne, and a couple of useful idiots- just like idiotic Leafs fans keep reminding the rest of the sane universe.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 15, 2012 11:26 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
isn't Dallas a great place for bachelors
Playing along side Jamie should be a huge incentive for us.
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 15, 2012 1:16 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
"isn't Dallas a great place for bachelors"
It is? :)
It is not the “great place for bachelors” part but the team composition that I pointing towards. Like someone here pointed out, Dallas is Columbus without the goaltending (and to some extent, the defense). Carter isn’t going to a vastly better squad (as it remains right now) in Dallas…unless there is a marked improvement in the off-season.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 15, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
so we get Carter and we know what his contract is
Then just concentrate on D in FA and spend money on depth. Having someone like carter sets the lines up for us. The 3rd line we have now becomes a 4th line. Ott can go back to the 3rd line. I never thought we were that many players away, just guys outta position and no true alpha male scorer. 115 goal in 3 seasons is an impact.
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by Bayouboy99 on Feb 15, 2012 1:36 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
If Carter is a party animal
Dallas isn’t exactly a bad choice over Columbus, and he would spend most of the road games in the West.
I’d originally thought that Nash would never want to leave to come to Dallas, but the way things are shaking up with Columbus, maybe going to a promising franchise where he can really lead and be a star without all the media going crazy might be desireable.
"Promising franchise"...
…isn’t exactly where Nash would like to be, IMO. I think he was part of that caboose for too long and wants out. I wouldn’t be surprised if St. Louis pulls it off with a package involving Bishop, Tarasenko, etc.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 15, 2012 11:51 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
If Carter *was* a party animal
it is just as likely the trade and disruption to his career along with losing his drinking buddy were enough to wake him up. As long as Joe does his due dilligence on off the ice issues I am willing to live with his decision. From a performance standpoint I think Carter is great fit here. Would rather give a 2nd and something else … one of our young D? Maybe Bachman rather than Campbell? Besko likely wouldn’t be enough.
Besko is about as far from a viable trade asset as I am.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 15, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
I know that is riduculous ... need rolleyes font
But I don’t want to give up a top ten from last year when we will be needing a goalie in a couple years. I would rather give up Bachman.
I’m frankly not up on how deep this draft class is projected to be. Really don’t want to give up what could be a top ten this year. Our 2nd should be really good … maybe in the top 40. Package that with a young D or goalie … maybe throw in something else minimal, low round draft, so-so prospect.
Besko is a mess
I just watched the Texas game. He’s a giant but he covers less of the net than Bachman from making himself so tiny.
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It was a joke!
Bottom line I don’t want to trade Campbell at this point. If they have to have a goalie with potential I would push Bachman.
I could get behind that as well.
But I think Columbus likely values Campbell over Bachman. But who knows? I’m sure Joe would rather trade Bachman than Campbell.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 15, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather sell high on the goalie a long way away.
Bachman isn’t going to have much value in trade. Campbell has value because he’s a name.
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Probably not
But if I’m Joe I am pointing out the long history of Dallas grooming NHL quality netminders and Bachman is the latest crop of that established system. I trot out the numbers he has posted this year in the NHL and push that if BJ’s are looking for a goalie to be there in a year to two time frame this guy is it.
Then if they are really set on Campbell, I try to say OK … but now it’s a 3rd round pick.
Then you aren't making a deal. Bachman isn't going to have value.
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If Campbell is the guy they want
I could live with that … but I would want to give up less in the other piece than has been mentioned in this thread.
That probably isn't an option.
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I would try to argue
Campbell equals the #1 they gave up to the Flyers. We need to come up with something a bit less than Vorchek the other piece they gave up. I would be willing to listen … but a 2nd plus Campbell feels like too much.
We are arguing the same point, just splitting some hairs over the make up of the pieces we give up for it is. I value Campbell a bit higher than you cause I think he can become more valuable with time and also that we need a goalie in our system at that point of development. Though we can deal with that if it happens.
I still feel Campbell can be worth more down the line
But recognize it is entirely possible you are right. Goalies are so unpredictable.
From what I observed in training camps and development camps, Besko looked really solid (and way more solid than Campbell)
Has he all of a sudden gotten worse this year or am I just a bad judge of goalies?
Both!
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 15, 2012 2:45 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I can't speak for that, but I can speak for what I saw 5 hours ago.
He looked solid for a stretch in the second period, but other than that he was terrible.
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The Stars used to be high on Besko and downplayed Bachman as a prospect.
But look what ended up happening.
I guess it’s not the size of the dog in the fight, it’s the size of the fight in the dog.
They're goalies.
You never know what they’re going to do. Take some flier late.
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I don't think the asking price can be as high as Columbus got him for
Carter’s stock has fallen well below what it was when he was traded, so there’s no way it should take Campbell, a high pick (assuming that means Dallas’ 1st rounder) and a roster player to get him.
I'm not certain I'd like to see Carter here
Sure he can score goals and is a good player but I worry that if he is a problem in the locker room and prefers to be laidback whether he can be relied upon to be the scoring presence the stars need. Maybe this whole experience could help him become more reliable but I fear it could end up being another Avery type situation…
As for trading Campbell; our goalie depth is not as good as we think it is. It would almost certainly mean we would need to make a move either through trade/draft/free agency for another young goaltender. In particular we would have to find another young potential franchise goalie from somewhere.
Goaltenders come from anywhere and everywhere.
The need for a “franchise” goaltender is not as big as we think it is here in Dallas, as we’ve had three starters since 1998. Look around the NHL and look at the long-term contracts given to goalies and how they’ve worked out.
I also think the whole “Carter is a cancer” thing is incredibly overblown.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 15, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Well
Its more that I think its important to have a reasonable number of goalies within the system, and at the moment if we traded campbell and we don’t resign Raycroft then we would be down to only three. Its just my view it would be good to get at least another goalie in the system if we are going to trade Campbell and if Raycroft doesn’t want to stay in the AHL when he might be able to play in the NHL somewhere… Maybe not necessarily a ‘franchise’ goalie but at least a good one to ensure we have some goalie depth.
I don’t know enough about the Carter issues apart from what I have heard here and in reports on whether he would be traded. Stuff along the lines of that in Philly he had plenty of good forwards in front of him so there was less pressure for him to be one the main men. However in Columbus he was put under more pressure alongside a less talented/worse performing team and hadn’t stepped up to become one of the main men for them. I just worry that could happen here as well.
The problem I see is
Yeah there are some pretty good goalies on that list, but any deal for them would involve them most likely playing the NHL. At the moment I’m happy with the Lehtonen/Bachman pairing. The problem will be in the future, we will need another young goalie, getting an experienced free agent goalie in the off season will just push bachman back into the AHL. I’m pretty sure we will need to draft a goalie either this year or next or trade for a young goaltender prospect. Otherwise we would be dangerous thin at the position. It helps goalies to have younger players coming up to make sure they are on top of their game.
I get what you're saying
There was a fan post about drafting a goalie in the later rounds a while back.
Yeah
I wrote the fanpost. It will be interesting to see if they do and if they do who they pick. There are some interesting darkhorse goalies that could go quite late…
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Am I the only person who feels we're fine on goaltender for many more years because Lehtonen is still young?
Campbell isn’t going to even have a chance to claim the Stars starting goalie role for many more years. We can trade him for a serviceable asset that we can use now and then we still have till the end of Lehtonen’s career to find another future franchise goalie.
I feel that way too
The reasoning many people want to keep Campbell is because we spent a first on him
I've said I wanted to keep him,
but not because of that. In 3+ years when Campbell is ready Kari will be 32ish. If we the BJ’s had to have a goalie I would rather talk about Bachman. As long as Kari is here he doesn’t have a lot of future, but looks promising. a la Ellis, Smith and a string of others that needed to move on to be a starter.
The reasoning on keeping Campbell
is probably influenced by his draft positioning, but that is not the primary reason. No team has fewer goalies in their development pipelines than the Stars. We already have a need to draft one or two goalies this year. With Besko having a poor season, it is becoming a real concern.
Keep in mind, Philly signed him to a big long term contract.
He couldn’t have been that big of a problem for them. Philly received and extremely good offer for him and made a smart move to trade him. As far as him having problems in Columbus, I think he is probably a little ticked about being traded. He just signed long term thinking he would be staying in philly. He is probably a bit frustrated with the situation and isn’t sold on Columbus.
Remember last year when everyone thought poorly of Souray!! He’s turned out to be a pretty good guy here. I for one would love to have Carter here.
Carter has made it clear from the beginning that he wasn't happy with being traded to Columbus.
That’s one of the things that has always made me wonder about the Carter/Richards situation. Why invest that much money in them if they were such problem children? Any problems would not have just come out of nowhere (aside from the apparent issues with Pronger which popped up when Pronger came to Philly). A lot of what has been said makes no sense. And as long as he isn’t doing anything illegal and keeps it up on the ice, I have no problem with what a guy does off the ice.
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If you like idiotic rumor mongering
You may be interested to know that Joe Nieuwendyk evidently told Sportsnet a little while ago in a phone interview that he has had a conversation with Scott Howson in the last 24 hours. He also added that 28 other teams probably have as well.
https://twitter.com/#!/darenmillard/status/169843183646285824
Also, out of random interest
Doesn’t whether we move campbell depend upon what they might get for Rick Nash? I mean, theres a lot of talk about possible places. But I have heard the Kings mentioned and them sending Bernier + others for Nash… If they trade Nash and get a goalie of that level already in the NHL what would we offer for Carter? Would it still be Campbell or would we have to use a different top end prospect and which one would we trade if it was the case?
This means that if we're going to use Campbell to go for Carter,
we need to do it very very soon.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 15, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
Will be interesting to see if Joe tries to deal earlier than the deadline again. Though I imagine we will be watching the Nash situation closely as well. Will Carters value go up or down if Nash is traded? We would have to make sure we could time it, if we were going to trade for him, to acquire him at the lowest possible cost in picks/prospects…
The earlier is likely the better in going for Carter.
Nash won’t go until the deadline. I’ll be sititng up at work being very unproductive on the 27th watching what happens with the Stars and with Nash.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 15, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
I imagine that Columbus would be very cautious
What they get for Carter will change what they want for Nash and vice versa. I can see them trying to leave it as late as possible on both players.
If they're smart, they do that so that they can keep all the balls on the table.
Just hoping that they don’t and that we can take advantage of it.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 15, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
The Kings sending Bernier away would be silly.
Given the issues they’ve had in the past finding and keeping decent goaltending (I saw a stat a few months ago about how many goalies they have gone through in the last 10 years – it was ridiculous), I don’t know why they would give up a known commodity in Bernier. He’s a good, solid backup for Quick, and as far as LA is concerned, good goaltending does not grow on trees.
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I thought the same thing at first
Then I realized Quick is only 26. I thought he was in this 30s. I’d deal Bernier in a nanosecond for a top tier player.
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They've got their guy.
Quick is the real deal, should be starting for Team USA in Sochi. Only question about Bernier is when they trade him, and for whom.
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by DirtyBrotenScoundrel on Feb 15, 2012 1:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Nash > Carter
WIth Benn at center and Nash on his wing, we’ve got a very formidable top line. And that’s not even considering that Eriksson might be up there with them.
I’m sure it’ll take a lot to get him, but I’d rather have Nash than Carter.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 15, 2012 12:29 PM CST reply actions
I would agree that Nash is prefered, but Carter is no slouch.
The thought of Nash-Benn-Vincour on line is salivating; the size, skill, and speed combination would give other teams fits.
Yes, Nash would be better than Carter
The likelihood of that happening is about 10%, however.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 15, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe we'll get them both in some sort of huge package deal.
That kind of scenario is likely only possible on NHL 12 though.
I’m sure Joe will do his best to get one of them. Is Joe allowed to talk to Nash about waiving the NTC? Or is that something that Columbus would have to allow him to do.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 15, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe Joe has been working on his Jedi mind powers for trade negotiations
“These aren’t the forwards you’re looking for”
Hopefully he's talked with Jon Daniels a bit as well.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 15, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
We know he hasn't.
If he had then somehow Benn would be wearing a Rangers jersey.
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benn did play baseball didn't he
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I vaguely recall hearing Benn say that once.
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It seems like that is the option where we give up the least in futures and continue along the rebuilding course
And no real reason to believe much seperates them in terms of talent
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If Nash and Carter were both available for the exact same
price I would take Nash … but not by much. Given the expected cost I would take Carter in a heartbeat.
Considering our and their position.
Carter is probably the better bet for us.
I see the light.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 15, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
It is really an interesting scenario because they are two teams in similar stages of rebuilding
Columbus has been doing it longer, but Dallas seems to be moving at a quicker pace…or at least a better planned pace.
It isn’t one team with a legitimate cup run trying to get pieces. It is a team taking a rebuilding centerpiece of one team and bringing him in as their own centerpiece for rebuilding.
Personally I doubt Nash wants to run that experiment again. So, I figure it will be one or more of their other guys.
I'd say there are about 28 other teams with a brighter future than the BJs
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by Ross Phillips on Feb 15, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
I'd welcome Carter to Dallas
and if he no longer has a NTC, that increases the chances to make it happen. Nash, on the other hand, can and will be very selective in who he considers waiving his NTC for. I doubt he’s gonna leave Columbus to go to an 11-12th place team.
NTC
That’s likely the biggest factor that will keep Nash out of Dallas.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 15, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
He can pick and choose where he goes
and he’ll probably pick a contending team.
I’d rather have Nash than Carter, but Carter is a more realistic option.
I think the BJ's would want more for Nash
than Carter as well.
Definitely.
Carter already has a trade value from when they traded to get him. I imagine they’ll want likely something close to matching what they gave up to get him, but allocated more toward what they need the most. Nash will cost more in picks/prospects for sure.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 15, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
The biggest factor
is that the Stars don’t have anywhere near the assets it would take to get Nash. The BJs have to get a king’s ransom to justify the deal. Considering Eriksson and Benn are off the table, the Stars have almost nothing CBJ would want.
by disposablehero on Feb 15, 2012 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
It could be fun to see what Nash could do playing with guys like Ribeiro and Benn
I kinda doubt it will happen…but I’ve been wrong before…actually a lot
Honestly, when we drafted Campbell, the first thing that went through my mind was future trade piece. Teams are typically looking for goalies and having a guy like Campbell (assuming he progresses as expected) allows you to either trade him to a team looking to rebuild or trade your current top goalie to a team needing someone now.
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Yesterday I lashed out at you quite a lot in a public atmosphere. I broke my one rule, which was to not let personal frustrations (outside of this blog) interfere with rationality in anything I say or write. I don’t want to delve too much into that, but I will say I was pissed off at the world when I wrote my diatribe to you.
What I wrote to you yesterday was unfair. I should never have singled you out like that. While I haven’t agreed with a lot of what you’ve posted, there’s no reason you should express what you’re feeling.
I know I have isolated myself from a few of you here because I have voiced dissent with your opinions. I don’t ever want dissent to blow up into what transpired yesterday.
CMS1171, I mean every word I am writing right now with full sincerity. Take what you will from it, but I wanted to reach out to you personally (I don’t have any way to contact you besides this public forum).
Nobody has told me to do this. I am writing this all on my own accord.
My apologies. I was out of line.
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*No reason you should NOT express
Forgot a word there.
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Apology accepted.
And I will try to be more positive in game threads. I’m just frustrated because I love this team and losing streaks suck.
Outside of game threads, when my frustrations sometimes get the better of me in the heat of the moment (like going down 2-0 10 minutes into a game), I actually think I have plenty of positive things to say about the team.
I think the future’s bright.
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by Travis Drybread on Feb 15, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
still haven't figured out what the hell he was looking at
by Travis Drybread on Feb 15, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
I mean he stars out sort of confused, follows it around for a while, and then, out of nowhwere, something spectactular happens.
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my spelling was atrocious there. ouch.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 15, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
That is stupendous
If only it were a stack of delicious pancakes and Dustin Penner.
Ribeiro, Lehtonen, and Souray were all considered to have attitude/work ethic problems until coming to Dallas.
Is Jeff Carter the next one for us?
I would love to have carter... probably him over nsh however
i would be very wary of giving up our first round pick this year… we have a very strong schedule going down the stretch including 4 vs vancouver 3 vs SJ 2 vs Chicago(im sure they’ll sort their shit out for us) 2 vs nashville who is playing very well this season and pittsburgh , anaheim, and st.louis
We could very easily see ourselves falling into the top 5 lotto range.. We are only 6 points out right now
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 15, 2012 12:48 PM CST reply actions
No
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Me neither.
I was just spitballing, thinking that if the BJs can’t find anyone to take Carter, that’s one way to make sure he leaves.
why would you have to force a team to take carter... he's just as good as nash and on a better contract cap hit wise
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 15, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
No because there are really no teams with that cap room...
besides the Stars! Haha. No but it would be crazy.
Carter > Campbell
plus pick(s) and a 3rd liner. I’d rather have a proven commodity that can score than a possible starting goalie someday. Besides, we can draft another goalie this year if we land Carter.
Campbell is far from a sure thing anyways.
Definitely do not care if he is traded for the right piece.
Exactly
If he never pans out and we land Carter for him Joe did the right thing by passing up Fowler
One can argue that...
…if he picks Fowler, then he doesn’t deal Neal for Goligoski, and thereby we don’t need a goal-scorer like Nash or Carter :).
I personally don’t think Nieuwendyk picked Campbell for him to be dealt…and I wonder if he thinks Carter is the kind of player he would possibly deal Campbell for.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 15, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
Did the Nordiques pick Lindros with the intention of dealing him?
I mean before the draft he said he would never ever play for them and they drafted him anyways. It landed them a fortune in trade too so they likely don’t regret it.
im just scared of giving up our first this year with our strong schedule to end the season
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 15, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
If Campbell is part of the deal for Carter
our first rounder likely will not be unless we’re getting more than Carter from them.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 15, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
yea i'm not convinced it will take Campbell and a 1st round pick to land him
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If it does, bye
That 1st needs to be untouchable
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yeah luckily the trading your firsts things has come off the table with joe
Lars would probably be going the other way i would think
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 15, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
Just no to moving our 1st this year.
I would be willing to consider our 2nd and something like an existing D prospect, or our backup goalie.
Isn't it supposed to be a weak draft year this year?
Plus it’s supposed to be a defense-heavy draft, and I think we’re good on defenseman for noew.
its top heavy
we could very well end up with a top pick with our strong schedule down the stretch
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 15, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Carter could be awesome
Nash wouldn’t waive his NTC to come here
And this includes Carter's horrible year in Columbus?
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 15, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
12 goals in 36 games is horrible?
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 15, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
Horrible in comparison to his time in Philly
(I’m not looking at stats now…I’m pretending to pay attention in class)
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 15, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
Carter hasn't had a horrible year production wise.
He’s been hurt. Thats a 28 goal pace. Slightly down.
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Well damn
I sure know what I’m talking about when I speak from pure ignorance
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 15, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
Awesome
Why am I going to school again? Lol
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 15, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
21 pts in 36 games
On a poor team, while struggling with injuries. Not bad numbers at all.
I’ll take him.
It's only one game, but just remember what he did when they last played the Stars
Carter was by far the best Jacket on the ice. It wasn’t even close.
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Its supranatural, you know, a higher level than supernatural
by Bayouboy99 on Feb 15, 2012 1:49 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Until this year Carter has been relatively healthy right?
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by T-rom on Feb 15, 2012 1:26 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm not going to argue that one is better than the other, but you have to also take into account the surrounding team
Either way, I believe Carter would be better for the team in terms of what we would have to give up and rebuilding potential.
Nash would be good to make a big splash (sorry for the rhyme)
Of course…who knows what is actually going on…other than top management that is
I think what's more important than who is better has more value versus what you have to give up.
Obviously you’d have to give up significantly less to get Carter, which makes him the more valuable trade target right?
Let me try that again: I think what's more important than who is better is who has more value based on what you have to give up.
You’re buying high on Nash and buying low on Carter. You should generally buy low right?
What would you expect the lines to look like?
If A: we acquire Carter
If B: we acquire Nash
If Carter is going to be a center, what do you do with the centers we already have?
Or would Carter or Benn move to wing?
I personally think Carter would be a good wing for Ribeiro to set up.
x
A. Eriksson Benn Ott
Carter Ribeiro Ryder
B. irrelevant
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he's a ppg powerforward 22 year old center playing center in the nhl for the first time
why the hell would you want to move him back
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 15, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
Because his point total has nothing to do with him playing center
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i think he has the most value at C right now
but if he went back to wing and went and potted 30-40 i wouldnt mind in the least
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 15, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
I would like to see him on the wing depending on the fit at center.
I doubt Carter is the best fit for Benn. I’d like to see what he can do getting passes from Ribeiro.
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well Benn on carters wing could work in a different way...
there are such things as playmaking wingers
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 15, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
Sure, but Benn is more of a scorer that can make plays.
I don’t want to see him deferring to anyone.
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part of the reason the top centers/players in the league are what they are is they can score and defer
see malkin,giroux,crosby,stamkos,hossa
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 15, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
They can, but you don't want them to.
Thats why the Penguins got Crosby to shoot more. Stamkos is a sniper…you don’t want him passing. You want your top shooters to take the shots as much as possible. If you split Carter/Benn up there are plenty of shots to go around.
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especially considering how rarely ribeiro shoots the puck.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 15, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
ribeiro actually averages around 2 sog/game
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 15, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
Didin't know that, but you know what I mean.
He spends a lot of time holding the puck waiting for something to materialize.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 15, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Not a particularly high total
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he's no jeff carter in terms of shooting
but he’s only around 40 sog behind benn for the season in around the same # of games
we don’t really have any shooters on the team that shoot like crazy
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 15, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Benn has also been trying to distribute more as a C
And Richards didn’t really allow anyone to shoot last year. I don’t think its definitive that Benn won’t shoot more if given the chance.
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Wasn't there talk of Nash and Carter not having chemistry on the same line because they are both shoot-first players?
I wish I remembered where I read that…
Carter
I’d like to see him playing for the Stars.
Would certainly be an enhancement to our forward corps.
Trade rumors are the male equivalent to female relationship gossip.
No offense to any females on the board here…but I know most of us are guys… :)
I would absolutely love carter
if he wants to play here. if he comes here and acts like he is now then i want no part in it.
but if he does I say we grab him and parise and rule the world
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Should Brassard be in the discussion.
With his cost so much more manageable, I would rather see him come to Dallas. Still young and his upside is high. He really just needs a change of scenery.
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by RealDealNeal on Feb 15, 2012 1:52 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I'm thinking the same
I don’t know much about him though.
by DStarsFan on Feb 15, 2012 3:43 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Good lord
Lots and lots of chatter here.
I think the general consensus is that we would all like Nash, and would be willing to give allot to get him. However, given his NTC and him not really wanting to move to a team thats beginning to rebuild its unlikely we will get him.
If Carter is available, he would more than likely cost less given his dislike of his situation and the fact he has a little baggage.
My take for what it’s worth is go after Carter, u know Nash is properly a little out of reach so putting ur eggs in the Carter basket might be the smart choice. We’ve all talk about a lack of depth at center, and he fills that need. Could also help boost our stagnant PP.
Gonna be an interesting few weeks
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by Matt Wright on Feb 15, 2012 1:54 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
I would hope a deal for Carter wouldn't take a few weeks.
That could mean we slip further out of the hunt.
the realist in me doesn't think we're going to make it
we have a tough schedule and there are alot of teams in the hunt for that last spot
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 15, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
We've only got 12 days until the deadline.
That equates to seven games assuming we wait until the last day to do something. The earlier we do something, the better.
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Mental lapse as to when the deadline is!
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by Matt Wright on Feb 15, 2012 3:03 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
It's cool. It's felt like it's be a long ways away for a while
Kinda sneaking up on us.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 15, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
Both Nash & Carter for . . .
Campbell, Morrow, Grossman, Petersen, and 2nd round pick.
For Columbus – frees up money for UFAs to fill the gaps in the younger players, gets them the future goaltender they need, veteran presence to build around and a little cherry on top.
For Dallas – Fire power to the extreme, starts bringing up the younger players that need to be in the mix (Fraser, Dillon), can afford it (maybe) with the younger players coming in, butts in the seats.
I would never have posted this but with all the BS flying around today . . . well, thought I’d see if anybody noticed.
I think Petersen is a deal breaker for me.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 15, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
Morrow would have to waive his NTC
don’t see that happening
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THIS
Not a chance on God’s green earth.
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especially to go to Columbus
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Or go to 4th line or AHL
He’s doing us no good here, even when healthy..
by Cowpokealong on Feb 15, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
give the guy a break he is injured right now
he’s not the only problem w/ this team.
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Nash AND Carter for
…Campbell, Morrow, Grossman, Petersen, and 2nd rounder?
I don’t think either of Morrow or Petersen helps them get better for the long-run…which is what I assume they’re looking for- now and beyond.
They easily get a better return from some other team- most notably, St. Louis.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 15, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
Hope so...
…hard to tell sometimes :D.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 15, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
Or....
…just laziness on my part to not read
“I would never have posted this but with all the BS flying around today . . . well, thought I’d see if anybody noticed.”
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 15, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
I thought the last line might give it away.
by Cowpokealong on Feb 15, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Not if you use words like...
…“Fire power to the extreme.” The thought process just stops right there. :D
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 15, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
google changes search results based on your habits
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 15, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
That may be true
But, this thread is getting 2,011 page views, of which I’ve accounted for about five of those.
It’s also getting referral traffic from WingingitinMotown.com, the Sports Illustrated page on the Dallas Stars, and 134 visits when people search “NHL Trade Deadline 2012.”
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 15, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
I know
My dashboard tracks page views over the last three days (the front page has gotten over 7,000 the past three days). This thread is second in page views only to the front page of the blog, and it’s only been around for four hours.
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 15, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
Heh.
What is it good for? Absolutely everything.
by Henri Muroke on Feb 15, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
Throw in Steve Mason with Carter
he’s a RFA after this season. He can replace Raycroft in the minors.
Something Clever.
from individual IP addresses?
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 15, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
Of those 3,106 visits
2,382 individual IP addresses today.
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 15, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yup.
Apparently it’s even more than my data tells me.
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 15, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Those dashboard numbers aren't entirely accurate.
The ones for this specific post are close. This week, DBD has seen around 47k views.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 15, 2012 3:12 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
So, are my numbers overstating how much traffic we're getting, or understating?
Because 47K views in three days is a lot.
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 15, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Understating.
And those numbers are since Sunday.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 15, 2012 3:15 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
What about the "Unique Visitors" number (the 2,382 one)?
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 15, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
3,500
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 15, 2012 3:20 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
HEY
Don’t go messing up our trade fantasies with facts of any sort!
I don't think so!
You are doing it with thought control input on the cloud!
Technically you are right
I can’t prove I am typing this on a computer. Fact.
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 15, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
If this thread is any indication
the next week or so is going to be very … interesting lol Then again we may just all burn out on the whole topic.
Then I should provide coffee and tea to everyone here
WE ALL NEED TO BE ALERT AND AWAKE, IN THAT ORDER.
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 15, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
Helllz YES!
Campbell and Nystrom for Jeff Carter? HELLZ YES! He’s exactly what this team needs. He’s a top line center, he’s under contract for an extended period, and he’s as consistent as consistent comes. All this baloney this year about his “off year” is just that — baloney. Look at who he’s playing for? He’s always defending, and he’s not a defensive forward for crying out loud. His shooting percentage is damn near identical to what it was during his highest goal years with Philly. And the best thing yet, is that it allows Benn to go back to his natural position of left wing, where I believe he will be even more of a force on the ice. And I don’t even think Benn will be on the same lIne as Carter anyway, since they’re both shooters, Benner would probably line up on Ribs’ left side with Louii on the right. Carter would be with Morrow and Ryder (IMHO).
I think Campbell could be a franchise goal tender for years in the NHL and for that reason alone I think Columbus may jump at this trade. If we didn’t have Lehtonen, much less Bachman already here, I would feverishly hold on to Campbell, but our strength in current goalies allows us to make this move. Pull the trigger, Joe. This is a beauty of a trade.
Now that I've done a little research
I think we should totally go for Jeff Carter. I just don’t know what to give up (I hate discussing trades! Lol)
campbell/bachman larsen vincour 2nd
at a minimum in all likelihoood
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 15, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
no way he costs that much
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 15, 2012 3:21 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
i can't decide whether he is going to get sold low or high
there’s a hell of alot of teams that would want him
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 15, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
he was only worth a 1st and voracek going to columbus
his value can’t have gone up.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 15, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
Not looking into specifics, generally the Blue Jackets have not had the best goaltending throughout their history
So, perhaps they’re looking for that.
We’ve also been known for trading backup goalies too…
by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 15, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure Columbus would be completely happy with Campbell...
They’ve already had one young, hyped goaltender completely loose it. I feel like they’d want a goaltender that has some NHL experience…or that is at least closer.
Someone will overpay for him.
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I feel like they’d want a goaltender that has some NHL experience…or that is at least closer.

by DFWTrojanTuba on Feb 15, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
Hmm...
If I remember right, Heika said some time ago that Carter would not be an option. Right now? He might feel different and he is not Joe.
I have talked with my Philly livin friends (thanks to Timonen and Leino, there are many) , they liked him just fine. I wouldn’t want to see Campbell traded, but if Carter would be in Dallas… My focus would be in Carter, and that’s it.
In perfect world Carter for Grossman and second would be nice, but it’s only “my” perfect world.
What is it good for? Absolutely everything.
Last year this bog had a big conversations about Goose.
And Stars giving Neal, I have nothing against it, if you guess correct again. =)
What is it good for? Absolutely everything.
by Henri Muroke on Feb 15, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
Blog. =)
What is it good for? Absolutely everything.
by Henri Muroke on Feb 15, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
no way in hell would they trade carter for a ufa and a 2nd round pick
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 15, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think we'd give them Grossman either.
Someone else will want him.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 15, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
True enough.
What is it good for? Absolutely everything.
by Henri Muroke on Feb 15, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
What did I just say?
In “my” perfect world. =)
What is it good for? Absolutely everything.
by Henri Muroke on Feb 15, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
I'd move Larsen and Campbell for Carter
Not sure Columbus would do that though.
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I try my damndest to keep Larsen.
Not sure what else we’d pair with Campbell for the deal, but hopefully Larsen won’t be it.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 15, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
People are overrating Larsen
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I don't
For a 21 year old defenseman in his second year playing north American hockey he’s looked great. Dmen mature slower than forwards as well. Then there’s the fact that he’s the only defenseman in the organization on the roster or with nhL potential outside of Robidas who’s a right shot. Which is very important but overlooked by most fans.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 16, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
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by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 16, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
not overrated
he’s pretty good now, only 21, second year of north Amer. hockey. Dmen take awhile to mature yet, so he’s been impressive. Perhaps as important as anything they can’t afford to lose a right shot on D. Overlooked by most but important. Robidas is the only other right shot and none of the prospects even are right shots. I really wouldn’t be happy about him being part of a deal for Carter.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 16, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
as i was saying in the other thread
larsen+glennie is an awfully similar return to what philly got for him in the first place
by can we get hatcher back on Feb 15, 2012 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
Substitute Larsen with Glennie...
…and I might be okay with it.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 15, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
If Columbus gets from Vancouver what they want in a Nash trade. (What fans in The Cannon want)
They might not want a goalie anymore. But it’s a different story.
What is it good for? Absolutely everything.
Schneider...
…is probably not going anywhere till the off-season. But, I’d if Gillis calls Howson and asks him to wait until the off-season when he’ll gladly send Schneider in a good great package for Nash, Howson might wait and take on that offer. What’s the worst that could happen to CLB between now and June anyway?
by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 15, 2012 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
True.
I still have no idea what goes down when Joe is done.
Or what are his targets. Remains to be seen.
What is it good for? Absolutely everything.
by Henri Muroke on Feb 15, 2012 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
Forget about Nash
With Eriksson and Benn off the table, the Stars don’t have anything close to the type of assets the BJs will want for him. They’ve gotta clean up on that trade to justify pulling the trigger.
Carter’s stock is down, this is definitely the time to buy low on him. Nieuwy needs to be pushing hard to make this happen. Not sure if Campbell is a real option for CBJ though, as he’s still pretty far away from NHL ready and they need a goalie ASAP. I think the first rounder might have to be in play for the Stars to “Get Carter” (eh? eh? anybody?).
speculating the possibility of Nash definitely brightened the work day for me,
but Carter is the real play here.
Hopefully they won’t want our first rounder because Joe isn’t going to give that up unless a solid prospect comes along with Carter.
It’s definitely going to be an interesting 12 days up until the deadline. At this point, Joe could do anything.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 15, 2012 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
Really doubt a first is needed.
Columbus gave Voracek(sp?) and a 1st for Carter. His value is lower than that. I would think something along the lines of Campbell + Glennie + 2nd would be enough OR Campbell + Larsen + 3rd. I think both of those are close enough to the value of the original trade to be enough. The only issue is the actual players Columbus would want. Do they want Campbell? I don’t think the issue would be that he isn’t ready right now; Columbus is not close to competing and if they believe Campbell is legit (which is the question) then waiting 1 or 2 years would be a moot point IMO. Then it would come down to if they want a prospect or a young roster player like Larsen. A first rounder would seem overkill in a deal like I proposed considering the original value of Carter.
thats 2 of our last 3 1st rounders.
I don’t know what that would say about our drafting & scouting.
Its supranatural, you know, a higher level than supernatural
by Bayouboy99 on Feb 15, 2012 11:08 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Voracek, 1st rounder (8th overall), and a 3rd rounder
And Voracek is an extremely talented, extremely young player still. He was just as important in that deal as the 1st.
Carter’s value has diminished, but not that much. Columbus gave up a bunch to get him, they’re not gonna give him away. Still not convinced they’ll be interested in Campbell, I think they’ll be looking for youngish players already in the NHL/right on the doorstep + a high pick for Carter.
by disposablehero on Feb 15, 2012 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't realize Voracek
was the 7th overall pick in 2007. He is a good young player. 22 years old and in 55 games this year has 9 goals and 22 assists for 31 points. Last year in 80 games with the BJ’s he put in 14 goals, 32 assists for 46 points. What we wouldn’t give to get that from Glennie next year.

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