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"We should've been ready to go," said Stars head coach Glen Gulutzan Sunday after the team's 3-2 loss at home to the Kings. "At this juncture, you can't wait around to see what a game's going to be like. You have to play with some fear, some adrenaline in your body..."

Those are sentiments he probably didn't plan on echoing again so soon but the coach was there at the Joe last night talking once again about how the first ten minutes were their focus going in and they couldn't get it done there, taking an unnecessary penalty and failing to get the kill.

The Stars were left chasing the game again. At 2-17-1 now when trailing after the first period, it's a lesson they've had to endure time and time again. They've scored the first goal of the game in just six of their last seventeen outings.

Stars' General Manager Joe Nieuwendyk joined Bob and Dan on The Ticket yesterday afternoon and they wasted little time in asking him about the team's starts in these games recently. Nieuwendyk did not deflect the issue.

"It very much is [concerning]," said Nieuwendyk. "Everybody is tired this time of year. Certainly we do a lot of traveling in the Western Conference, but there's a number of teams that do that. It is concerning because you expect... you just look at the standings alone and you sense the urgency of it all and you expect that the fire in the belly comes out early in those games. That's been a big concern for sure."

The Red Wings underlined those concerns and then put a couple of exclamation points on the end of them last night en route to a 20 shot period that saw them jump out to a 2-0 lead that would hold up the rest of the way. Dallas has been out-shot in the first period five times in eight games since the All-Star break and has trailed four times at the first intermission in that span, losing all of them.

Gulutzan has been emphasizing their start repeatedly to the media and players alike. Adam Burish knew last night that it just wasn't good enough again.

"Playing against a team like that is tough when you get down 2-0. Maybe our start, the first 10-15 minutes of the game, probably wasn't where we wanted it," said Burish. "That was a point of emphasis that we had going into the game. We didn't have that start."

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In first periods ONLY since the All-Star Break...

Opponent Pucks Directed At Net - DAL PDAT - OPP Shots For Shots Against Goals For Goals Against
@ANA 21 18 10 11 3 1
@SJS 15 33 7 15 0 2
MIN 23 20 10 13 0 0
PHX 18 18 8 9 0 1
@CBJ 28 15 15 10 2 0
@BUF 17 18 10 7 1 0
LAK 21 11 10 5 0 1
@DET 17 29 10 20 0 2

Total Pucks Directed At Net = Shots + Goals + Missed Shots + Attempts Blocked

The numbers only tell us so much. The Stars have only trailed after one period in the eight games a total of four times. They've only been out-shot (in this manner, with the blocks, missed shots and everything factored in) four times, two of which they wound up winning.

The Stars played with the puck far more than the Kings on Sunday, out-shooting Los Angeles 10-4, but still fell behind 2-0 in the second period and chased the game all evening before tying it, only to lose it again a few minutes later.

Numbers ring hollow sometimes. Those watching these games know that even when the metrics tell you it's not so bad, the Stars have come out of the gate with very little fire. They come out, as their coach says, seemingly waiting to see what the game's going to be like. If they are able to earn the games first break or be the recipients of the first bounce, it gives them a lot of confidence to take it and run with it. If adversity strikes early it usually takes a while to get things going in the right direction, and by that time the margin for error is too slim.

If you're starting to feel like you've read all of this before, you're not wrong. The Stars had this same problem last year and we covered it then too in such posts as "Slow Starts Continue to Haunt Stars" - December 9th, 2010. The recurring theme, despite the immense roster turnover and coaching changes, is what makes it frustrating for fans and players alike.

"They got two goals in the first," said Loui Eriksson last night. "We have to be better in the beginning of the games. We know they are a really good team and have been playing really good at home. They got a better start and it's tough when they are up 2-0 against you."

To the Stars credit they stuck with their game plan and had a fairly impressive push back after the first 20 minutes. After being grossly out-chanced in the first, the Stars, by our count, were about dead even with them the rest of the way despite the large disparity in power play time.

At the end of the day, as Gulutzan says, it's about results, and the Stars haven't gotten one in their favor in three straight games. Anaheim is closing in from behind, the Coyotes are pulling away out in front. The Flames are moving too, and the Stars have four with Vancouver coming up. In November you'd take a pretty hard fought game like this one, or the one on Sunday, and move on knowing the battle level is there.

In mid-February, in 11th place, that's not enough. The Stars have to find a way to come out of the gate Thursday with their hair on fire and go from there. There's not much time left.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 15, 2012 9:25 AM CST reply actions  

Any word on Ribeiro's misconduct?

From what I can gather, he got it for shooting the puck down the ice in frustration after the Hudler goal. Doesn’t look like anybody gathered any postgame comments from him on it though.

Does anybody have more information? More importantly, is this acceptable for one of the team’s best players to get himself a misconduct? To be honest, I’ve never liked Mike Ribeiro and have always thought he has a crappy attitude, but I don’t watch the guy like you all do.

by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 15, 2012 9:57 AM CST reply actions  

To my knowledge, Ribs hasn't done this with Dallas before

He also doesn’t say much.

Not the smartest thing to do, but the very least you can say is that he’s showing some emotion.

What I don’t understand is why fans concern themselves with players on any team other than their own. If you don’t watch the guy like we do, how can you comment on his attitude? Did he bitch-slap your cat or something?

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by Mike Russo on Feb 15, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I really don't see it being a big deal.

That third period was insanely frustrating for the players and you could see it on all their faces after the game. That goal just culminated a frustrating period when the Stars failed to break through several obvious penalties and the defense of the wings.

Frankly, at this point, I’m happy to.see any emotion. I’d rather it not come after a goal against, but hell….its been that sort of season.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 15, 2012 10:09 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Fair enough

Tomas Holmstrom and Johan Franzen have both been known to take frustration penalties late in games and I always hate that when they do. The diggers usually do seem to get at them when those happen to get postgame reaction. I’m just not used to seeing basically nothing when something like that happens. The “it didn’t become a big deal because it’s not a big deal” idea makes a lot of sense.

From Mike Russo:

If you don’t watch the guy like we do, how can you comment on his attitude? Did he bitch-slap your cat or something?

I saw the play in Montreal when he was still with the Habs where he took a dive, writhed around in pain to draw a call, and then taunted the opposition’s bench for what he had just accomplished. I also saw him slash my goalie in the playoffs and then do the same flop-and-writhe routine at the retaliation. I also saw the story of his arrest in a Dallas nightclub last year.

As far as being concerned with him, I’m not really; I’m curious. I asked the question from the people who see what kind of effort he puts in to see what kind of defense there is for a guy who outsiders see only bad things about. Remember, I’m a fan of the team that employs the devil incarnate. It’s always interesting to me to see what kind of stuff the national media picks up on versus the local folks.

by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 15, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, the thing in Montreal was years ago.

And we disagree about what happened in the playoffs, that’s for sure.

As far as the nightclub thing goes….that’s not exactly what happened. He was in a restaurant and had been drinking, like normal. In Plano, not Dallas.

The Plano PD is NOTORIOUS for instantly arresting for Public Intoxication, no matter what. After we learned the circumstances of what happened (and the fact nothing actually came of it), no one really cares about what happened there.

Ribeiro is far from the player he has a reputation for being, unlike Ott, who is only 50% the player he has the reputation for being.

As far as why it wasn’t addressed after the game — the Stars have a lot more issues to address than worrying about why Ribeiro flung the puck down the ice after a goal.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 15, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey, I didn’t say that Osgood didn’t ALSO sell it when Ribeiro chopped him ;)

See? The Plano PD thing is a detail that I didn’t know. It fit so neatly into the “guy’s been tied to drug and attitude issues in the past” narrative that it’s kind of easy to gloss over the intervening years.

Thanks for the insight.

by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 15, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Bad wording

There should have been an “allegedly” in that narrative. Sorry about that.

by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 15, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

The nightclub story, as I recall it,

was he and his wife/companion were out to dinner with another couple in a Plano bar/restaurant at a normal dining hour and his companion got in a confrontation with another diner. Ribs was playing peacemaker and they all got escorted out and he then got arrested for PI. Though that could be the pr twist the Stars put on it! But I think that is closer to the truth than not given the Plano PD rep.

by 1paniolo on Feb 15, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

He's been a completely different player in Dallas than in Montreal

Most Stars fans decided to give him a clean slate when he was traded here and he’s done nothing to make us think he has a bad attitude since then. Yeah he has some weaknesses in his game but all in all it’s hard to complain about what we’ve gotten out of him, considering that he was a reclamation project when acquired.

by Ronin56 on Feb 15, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Hockey players in Dallas don't get the kind of media attention as they do in Detroit.

So yeah, typically, if it is something bad, you’ll hear it…and otherwise, you don’t unless you look really deep. Post game reactions to things like that are somewhat rare with the media that covers the Stars. If it had had a direct impact on the game, perhaps…but otherwise, I wouldn’t expect it. And since the game was basically over in the first period, and that happened in the third…

It doesn’t surprise me that those are the only things you’ve heard or remember about Ribeiro, since he plays in this market now. (Not a nightclub, not in Dallas, but whatever…these things get blown out of proportion like crazy.) If you watched him play on a regular basis, I’m sure you’d see a much different player than the one you seem to think he is based on a few random incidents—similar to how many Wings fans see Bertuzzi, yet almost no one else does.

by WingnutInStarsCountry on Feb 15, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Not a big deal.

That goal was the dagger and he was just showing emotion. As others have said, I’m just glad to see the emotion at this point. Sure it would be better not to do that, but meh

by 1paniolo on Feb 15, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Ribs isn't perfect but he's certainly a valuable asset to have on this team.

Think about this: Since the Niinimaa for Ribeiro trade:

Ninnimaa: 41 games, 0 goals, 3 assists, 3 points, -13
Ribeiro: 436 games, 116 goals, 265 assists, 381 points, +11

All things considered, I think that was a good addition, don’t you think?

by Ronin56 on Feb 15, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

"I’ve never liked Mike Ribeiro and have always thought he has a crappy attitude,"

Lemme guess…2004 playoffs- Bruins vs Canadiens?

Join the conga-line…it stretches around the block.

by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 15, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

We've all waited three-plus years

And most likely four.

Here’s to turning this thing around under Gags.

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by Mike Russo on Feb 15, 2012 9:59 AM CST reply actions  

You know what? Whatever. They all say the right things and talk about it, but they do NOTHING.

NOTHING! Same sh!t all over again. Slow starts, lethargic play, over-passaitis, not enough shots, no net presence, I’m tired of excuses.

by iHorses on Feb 15, 2012 10:08 AM CST reply actions  

Don't feed your frustration.

Changes will come, and things will get better.

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by Mike Russo on Feb 15, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

And I know what sort of response is coming to this, so let me go ahead and say this....

I know we’ve been saying the same thing for a few years now, but this time we KNOW that changes are coming. Nieuwendyk has the power to make changes now, we have an owner to finance the building of the team.

Unfortunately, the sale didn’t come in time to really affect this season, but I have to feel that now with Gaglardi behind him Nieuwendyk will not stand for this sort of consistent issue for much longer.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 15, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

This may sound crazy..

But I’ve never been more excited. I know that right now this is frustrating as hell, but I look forward to actually being able to see this team built around Eriksson, Benn, Daley, Goose, etc……after three years of pure stagnation.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 15, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

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by Matt Wright on Feb 15, 2012 10:22 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I'm also glad to see so many fans

Who endorse the idea of building for the future rather than mortgaging the present.

If all else fails, keep in mind that, in all likelyhood, several teams are a couple of years from being in a worse situation than we are. And the Wings could be one of those teams, easily.

by jabudi on Feb 15, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I thought Red Wings wouldn’t have been as good as they have been this season since they’re getting older. I don’t know what they’re giving them up there, but I wish they would share it with some of our older guys

by rpm0003 on Feb 15, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

It's going to catch up to them

It happens in every sport. In hockey, even more so because of the cap and the issues that creates.

Lidstrom, Bertuzzi and Holmstrom are likely all in their last year or two and the way Franzen keeps getting injured you never know about him. You think their team will be the same without them?

When they fall, it’s going to be just as hard or harder than we did. Remember Colorado? Their fans thought THEY would be perrenial Cup contenders too. Everyone goes through this at some point.

by jabudi on Feb 16, 2012 7:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I've thought that before.

Now I just believe Illich has sold his soul to the devil.

by 1paniolo on Feb 15, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Well,

me too. I’m excited to see all the moves that are made and how they develop together. Course, I’m a fan who wants to watch a game even if the game isn’t going well just to see how young players are developing.

by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 15, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

++ and then some.

What is it good for? Absolutely everything.

by Henri Muroke on Feb 15, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd love to get Nash, but I too believe that he wouldn't waive his NTC to come here

However, perhaps we could make a good deal with a team that is trying to land him. Many of the teams rumored to be interested would first need to make some salary cap space. We could potentially do a deal with one of those teams that would see us getting more than we’d have to give up.

by imacdane on Feb 15, 2012 10:15 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Also, it seems I’ve mistakenly posted this in the wrong article…

by imacdane on Feb 15, 2012 10:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Lol...

Just wait until the 11am article comes up.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 15, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Let's just accept that this is a very mediocre team.

I for one am not worried about making the playoffs. I think it’s a pipe dream that we would have any success there. We have some really good parts on a team that does not have the high end talent needed to be a quality playoff team.

Here’s to a step in the right direction. ( Higher draft picks)

by Epicrates on Feb 15, 2012 10:50 AM CST reply actions  

Whatever happens...

DON’T BREAK UP MY THIRD LINE! It may be tempting to get rid of any of those guys and Dvorak especially, but that guy has done nothing but hustle and I like guys who hustle :) Yah, the results are frustrating as our record shows, but this is when we have to pull together and yell even louder: GO STARS GO!!!!!

by ilickbaby on Feb 15, 2012 11:03 AM CST reply actions  

Better Dead than Red

I’d rather lose every game and tear down the AAC and play in the parking lot. Hahaha! :P

by ilickbaby on Feb 15, 2012 11:06 AM CST reply actions  

I appriciate the article.

And agree with most the points. But last night I did not think the Stars came out without energy or hustle. They came out playing hard.

The problem was the Wings came out playing just as hard. And when the effort levels are the same, there is no comparison of the skill levels. And this is the normal result.

by 1paniolo on Feb 15, 2012 11:09 AM CST reply actions  

The Detroit game was not a slow start

For the first five minutes the Stars were actually staying with the Wings. There was no lack of effort, but there may have been a lack of focus on playing structured and too much emphasis on physicality. Then came Benn’s penalty and the PK was leaky again. After that, the crowd got fired up and the Wings players got fired up. The Stars players started gripping their sticks too tightly and thinking instead of just playing hockey. The Wings kept pressuring and got the second goal. The Wings are an exceptional team when motivated. This game showed how truly lacking the Stars are to true playoff teams. The Wings were content to play passive in the third while the Stars tried very hard to get back into the game but were never really a threat.

by TXHockeyNut on Feb 15, 2012 11:15 AM CST reply actions  

Really for most of the game the Stars had opportunities

And I don’t think the Wings were very good at all after the 1st period. The Stars had many opportunities late in the 3rd and did absolutely nothing with them.

Honestly, every time I’ve seen the Wings this season, I’ve thought that they were pretty bad defensively. They just shoot the puck a lot and are sound positionally, so they can make up for shortcomings in their game, which are many.

by jabudi on Feb 15, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

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