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2012 NHL Trade Deadline: Buyers Or Sellers, Who's Available From Dallas Stars?

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We're getting closer and closer to the 2012 NHL trade deadline, which is just over two weeks away. It's during this time that rumors will start spreading like wild fire and each game by the Dallas Stars will make the path forward for this team all the more clear.

We've discussed the various strategies the Stars could take headed into the trade deadline and while we like to think that how they play over the next few weeks will decide whether this team is a buyer or a seller, it's likely that Joe Nieuwendyk and Tom Gaglardi already have their plan firmly set in their minds. The Stars are a team that is obviously not built to contend this season and while making the playoffs is always the goal, this franchise desperately needs to start planning and building for the future.

After all, the Stars have a good, young core of players to build around. Given the circumstances of the past few seasons, we should be thankful that we have this hold onto. At least there is a hope for the future, with an owner in place who has stated emphatically that he plans on spending money to build this team into a contending hockey club once more. That's something the Dallas Stars has been missing for quite sometime.

The reality of the current situation is kicking in and each game our hope for postseason heroics gets picked away, piece by piece. The Dallas Stars, because of a complete lack of financial stability, are at their lowest point since coming to Dallas. That this team is still competitive at all, after three years of little vertical improvement, should be commended. The 2012 NHL Trade Deadline is the first step in the "rebuilding" process for the new owner and Nieuwendyk and while we don't expect as big a splash as most would like to be made, the Stars will at least be active in attempting to making some moves.

So, who on this team is likely to be available at the deadline? Let's take a look after the jump.

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Nicklas Grossman, Defenseman.
2012-13 Contract Status: UFA

Nicklas Grossman is the name that keeps coming up again and again and it's only logical to see why. The pending free agent has plateaued in his development in Dallas and after a few strong years to start his career he's struggling at times this season, in ways that make him visible on the ice for all the wrong reasons. Given the defensive depth this team is building in the system (and the type of defensemen the Stars are developing) Grossman is likely become expendable, for the right price.

Grossman is the target of scorn by the Dallas Stars fans this season (a bit unfairly, if you ask me) and his lack of physicality, along with defensive zone turnovers, are making him the scapegoat for a number of this team's troubles. Yet Grossman remains one this Stars' best penalty killing defensemen and he's been used in tough minutes against tough competition for most of his career. This stability makes him a shiny object of attention by other teams and he could be the target of those in need of a defensive blueliner who can play well in the right situation. Teams like Chicago, for instance.

Sheldon Souray, Defenseman
2012-13 Contract Status: UFA

Sheldon Souray signed with the Dallas Stars in a win/win situation for both player and team. The Stars needed physicality and depth on defense and Souray needed a team willing to give him the chance to prove he could still play in the NHL. Souray is going to be 36 this summer, however, and it's unlikely he has much of a future with the Stars beyond this season.

Souray started the season with a bang and for the first month was in the running for comeback player of the year. Yet his offense has slowed down and his penalty troubles remain, and while Souray's physicality and positioning have been a welcome addition to the team he has dropped off a bit in terms of offensive effectiveness, although that big booming slapshot is still there.

It should be noted, however, that he and Stephane Robidas are still seeing the toughest minutes by any defensemen and they're doing their best to hold up under the challenge. Souray has been a solid player and leader for this team this season and his contributions should not go unnoticed.

Souray could be moved to a team in need of a solid, veteran defenseman for a playoff run -- although he likely would be part of a package deal.

Adam Pardy, Defenseman
2012-13 Contract Status: 1 year, $2 million remain

Pardy is the first true "bust" by Joe Nieuwendyk as far as free agents go, although Andrew Raycroft comes in at a close second. Giving Pardy a two-year, $4 million contract seemed extraordinarily risky this past summer and it looks positively horrific now. Playing in just 22 games this season, Pardy has been a healthy scratch for most games and when he plays is far from effective. His lack of mobility with the puck and inability to maintain defensive positioning has become a liability for a team already struggling with team defense.

It's tough to say whether Pardy is even going to be trade-able, since that contract is something teams will certainly shy away from. That likely won't stop the Stars from trying, however, as they attempt to get out from under a contract that was a mistake from the start.

Adam Burish, Right Wing
2012-13 Contract Status: UFA

Adam Burish came to Dallas last season after winning a Stanley Cup in Chicago, with his leadership on the ice and personality off of it immediately making an impression with the fans and the locker room. Last season he played anywhere from second line to the fourth and saw a ton of time on the penalty kill unit, proving himself as a dedicated shot blocker and defensive forward.

This season, Burish hasn't been nearly as effective and has lately been on the fourth line most nights. Limited minutes and low penalty killing minutes have reduced his role further and while he remains a leader off the ice, the spark he provides on the ice has been diminished. Yet, his grit and mental fortitude could make him attractive to a team in need of a spark themselves, with some thinking he could be headed back to Chicago.

Eric Nystrom, Left Wing
2012-13 Contract Status: 1 year, $1.4 million

I know this will hurt many Stars fans' hearts, but Nystrom could be one of the more valuable forwards the Stars have in terms of trade value. With a career year on offense and his always high-energy, physical play Nystrom could be the sort of player many teams would covet as they build depth for the postseason.

Nystrom has instantly become a fan favorite in Dallas thanks to some big goals and his charismatic personality off the ice. His offensive output remains an anomaly, with an incredible 18.8% shooting percentage this season and 15 goals, with just 3 assists in 50 games. Yet his ability to finish around the net won't go unnoticed by teams in need of depth and it will be interesting to see what value he could bring should teams ask about him at the deadline.

Radek Dvorak, Right Wing
2012-13 Contract Status: UFA

Dvorak has been a solid addition to this team in the twilight of his long career, especially with his contributions on the penalty kill. Yet he's an older vet who will be a free agent this summer and like other veterans on this roster, doesn't have a future on a team looking to get younger and more skilled. Dvorak won't be the centerpiece for any trade but once again could be part of a package deal used to bring better depth to the Stars.

Michael Ryder, Right Wing
2012-13 Contract Status: 1 year, $3.5 million

Here is one that is creating some debate among the DBD staff. Should Ryder be someone the Stars consider trading? Obviously, for the right price, anyone is technically available. Yet Ryder is one of the few "snipers" on the roster, capable of scoring from almost anywhere in the offensive zone. We've seen this season that he is certainly a streaky player yet he's on pace to score over 30 goals will will come close to sixty points this season.

His defensive liabilities have created some matchup issues for the Stars at times but there's no doubt that his scoring ability will look very, very good in a trade market devoid of prime scoring wingers. The question, of course, is how the Stars justify trading one of their few scoring wingers when this team is already in dire need of scoring depth? It's a matter of building for the future and if the Stars see Ryder as a viable piece of that long-term plan, then I can understand holding onto him. Yet if Ryder could bring back good value to the Stars to further help that building process, then they should not hesitate a trade for the right price.

The likelihood of Ryder being traded is certainly small and would be a sign that the Stars are completely bailing on the possibilities of making the playoffs. Yet the Stars also need to think of the future, and it will be interesting to see just how tempted Nieuwendyk would be to move the top goal-scorer on this team.

Other thoughts:

I'm sure we'll get comments about Morrow, Robidas, Ott, Ribeiro and some others. The thing to remember is all of these players have NTC's and while the Stars could certainly ask them to waive it, it's unlikely any of them are moved at the deadline. Morrow's injury status takes him out of the conversation, although it was looking like he might be open to the possibility of a trade if the Stars asked for it. Mike Ribeiro, given his contract, will likely not be a target for teams and the Stars are already dangerously thin at center.

As far as prospects go, there's no way to tell who is available and who isn't. If the Stars aren't going to be buyers then trading away picks and/or prospects makes little sense, as those players are part of the plan for the future. The depth at goaltender isn't as deep as we'd think, either, with Bachman a RFA this summer and Tyler Beskorowany having lost favor a bit in Austin this season.

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To say Grossman is struggling "at times"

Is a severe understatement. He’s struggling every single game.

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by Elysian on Feb 13, 2012 11:17 AM CST reply actions  

I will honestly be surprised if grossman isn't moved

he is easibly our most desirable asset between his solid defending and his cheap contract

by can we get hatcher back on Feb 13, 2012 11:20 AM CST reply actions  

Ryder would seem to be a hot commodity.

There aren’t too many potential 30 goal men available with another year at a very reasonable 3.5mil. I can’t see many circumstances where his value would be higher and if we are ‘not going for it’ then there is no reason to keep a guy who would be declining when this team is ready to compete. Now this is obviously counter-intuitive if we are trying to make the playoffs, but then I would expect Joe to add a few pieces. The worst thing I think he can do is stand pat. This team as currently constructed will not make the playoffs IMO; we need another forward (or 2) and probably a d-man to give it a real chance. Now I am not saying trade for superstars or anything but reinforcements are needed to make a legitimate push.

by modano9 on Feb 13, 2012 11:27 AM CST reply actions  

I agree that the worst thing to do is nothing.

To me that just sends a message that they’re happy being a mediocre 10-12th place team- because that’s exactly where the current roster will finish.

by cms1171 on Feb 13, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

ryder could get a good haul

versteeg on an expiring contract got a 1st and a 3rd and was a career 20 goal scorer

by can we get hatcher back on Feb 13, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

bachman will be a RFA

by TimAH on Feb 13, 2012 11:42 AM CST reply actions  

Good call.

Sorry about that.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 13, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Out of interest

I know occasionally two teams generally trade with each other (See San Jose – Minnesota) I was wondering, as we did a small trade with the Florida Panthers earlier in the season, whether we might consider them again as a trade partner. They are atop the South East at the moment and have been labeled as buyers. In particular they are looking for some scoring help for their second line. If Ryder was up for grabs we could see if we could get ourselves some of their prospects (I think at the moment they are considered to have the deepest pool of prospects in the NHL so might be willing to part with a few). I’m not certain if its a crazy idea but if Ryder is on the market then we could, in theory, get at least one of their elite prospects or maybe a few of their good prospects.

by Huw Wales on Feb 13, 2012 11:47 AM CST reply actions  

Or another crazy idea

See what they would give for Riberio (Though I’m pretty sure I would at least want Jonathan Huberdeau back in any deal involving Riberio +…)

by Huw Wales on Feb 13, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Why would they move Huberdeau for Ribeiro?

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by Josh Lile on Feb 13, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

They wouldn't (I did say another crazy idea)

I didn’t mean straight up for riberio. I meant Ribeiro plus others. But I was joking.

by Huw Wales on Feb 13, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Id be thrilled if we wrestled Nick Bjugstad from their prospect pool.

by TimAH on Feb 13, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I would as well

I think we would have to give up at least Ryder for that though. Though I think It would be something like Ryder for Bjugstad plus a pick/another prospect to make it worth while. However I don’t think we would trade Ryder unless we started to tank up until the deadline.

by Huw Wales on Feb 13, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

if we could get Bjugstad even straight up for Ryder I’d jump at it. I know the pull of making the playoffs this year is great, but that would be a huge steal for the future of the franchise.

by TimAH on Feb 13, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Morrow, Robidas, Ott, Ribeiro

Morrow has become a liability. He should go, if only to the forth line.
And the “C” needs to be on another player.

Robida is not, as we all know, a true number one defenseman. But, HE IS A WARRIOR and this team needs a warrior.

Ott. Do we really want to have to play AGAINST him? He is the emotion that Morrow no longer is . . . and we need that. Other teams don’t hate him because he is ineffective. He could even wear the “C” and be even more effective.

Ribeiro is going downhill. Slowly, but surely.

And, personally, I would like to see the third line stay, and stay intact. They are one of the most effectice third lines in the game right now. Veteran savy, energetic, defensively trustworthy and some scoring depth . . . worth more to keep than to sell.

by Cowpokealong on Feb 13, 2012 11:52 AM CST reply actions  

Each player you just mentioned has a 5% chance of being traded.

The NTC for each of those vets, along with contracts, will prevent them from being traded.

Unfortunately, the third line is likely going to be broken up. They also are just now being used as a true checking line and while it’s worked ok, in reality they are closer to a fourth line than a third.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 13, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I always forget the NTC in most contract

Still, I think they need to at least have Ribeiro and Morrow on the table for discussions just in case. Ott and Robidas should be hidden safely away though.

I doubt Morrow would be willing to go around his NTC unless it was a very legitimate shot for the cup because it seems he has a lot of ties here to the area. Ribeiro on the other hand really doesn’t seem to have anything holding him back but will anyone want to take his contract and his spotty play?

Overall, I am sure they will all stay here for better or worse

by RB16 on Feb 13, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree completely

As much as I love Morrow and his style…it has taken a toll on him and I think it would be too awkward to have him around if he were no longer captain

Even if Robidas isn’t playing at his best, he is a great example for the younger D men

Ribeiro needs to go somewhere else so he can chase after the Kardashians because he’s obviously more intense about that than he is about hockey

by RB16 on Feb 13, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Ott is not captain-material....

Captaincy goes beyond just mere platitudes to passion.

by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 13, 2012 12:19 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

He's often the voice of the team on and off the ice

He’s also the guy seeing everyone on and off the ice at the bench between periods.

There would be some adjustment I know and added responsibility but I think he could fill the position. It may even make him pull back a little from the edge in his play and what we’ve seen in the past is that his play actually improves when he does that

by RB16 on Feb 13, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Voice of the team...

…falls in the same category of “platitudes to passion.” I don’t think he has the maturity or the smarts to be a captain. His propensity to not play with an edge (all the time) resulted in a 20+ goal season in 2009-10, and instead of building on it, he has regressed to his same old antics. As a top-six forward this year, he has shown no significant improvement in his offensive output despite playing nearly 19 minutes a night (please don’t invoke the FOP argument). That just shows a player content to play within his “comfort zone” and not step up and take it to the next level.

by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 13, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Good argument against it...

It was nice to see him pull back from the edge and play better. Who knows though if his return to edginess was all due to playing in a comfort zone or doing what was asked of him by the coaching staff. It would be interesting to know who the players think their on-ice leader is.

I think so many of us just want them to play better so badly and are looking for anything possible to help. I am happy though that Joe is getting a chance to build the team though. He’s going to make mistakes, but I think he knows the game and what it takes to win well enough to make more good choices than bad ones.

by RB16 on Feb 13, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

No reason why the coaching staff shouldn't tell him to work more on his offensive game

There’s no point asking him to be a grinder/agitator when he is getting 18-19 minutes on the top lines every night, including PP time. I think the 20+ goal season is his ceiling and barring a miracle, we are not ever going to see him do that, and that to me isn’t good enough. Good teams in the modern NHL thrive on having a scoring threat all the way down their lines. Look at Boston’s 4th line. That’s the kind of team I want.

by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 13, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you think Ott can magically become a scorer through work?

That isn’t how it works.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 13, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I never said he could become a "scorer"...

This is a strawman argument. I only said he could contribute more offensively than he currently is able. His wrist shot, for example, is abhorrent.

That said, I did say that maybe his 20+ goal season is the best we can get out of him, and his current production isn’t good enough for someone getting that much ice-time.

by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 13, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Addendum...

…also, it doesn’t hurt to see how Morrow become more than just a crash-the-net, power-forward under Ribeiro’s tutelage. Morrow made the effort to be a bigger offensive threat, and he did pretty well- albeit for a brief while.

by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 13, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Well
No reason why the coaching staff shouldn’t tell him to work more on his offensive game

You’re making huge assumptions by making a statement like that. You’re assuming he isn’t working hard. You’re assuming he isn’t working on offensive things in practice. You’’re assuming that Ott concentrating more on offense will make him as effective as he currently is.

It just isn’t that easy. His skill set isn’t geared toward working for more offense. He’s has some bad luck with posts too. I don’t really have a problem with how Ott has played. I think he’s a good fit on that line too.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 13, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

"You’re making huge assumptions by making a statement like that."

An assumption that is logically plausible. I am not sending a grinder on a top line to just grind away and not put some more effort towards creating offensive chances.

“I don’t really have a problem with how Ott has played. I think he’s a good fit on that line too.”

Disagree on both counts. Respectfully, of course.

by Dallas_Stars74 on Feb 13, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Except that it isn't plausible at all.

No one outside of the Stars and Ott have any idea how much time he puts into any aspect of game preparation/practice. Saying that the coaching staff “needs to make him work more on offense” has no real basis in anything.

He isn’t a big time offensive player. His job is to take faceoffs, play solid defensively, forcheck, and get the puck to Benn ASAP. He’s doing a good job of that.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 13, 2012 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Woohoo for trade season where the sports blogs have to up their server capacity

…so we don’t crash everything with our 10 billion posts about potential rumors that may not even be :)

by RB16 on Feb 13, 2012 11:52 AM CST reply actions  

Plans could change.

Admittedly, the Stars being in this “tweener” position makes it tough to gauge what they’ll do.

There’s also the fact that I doubt the Stars do much at the trade deadline anyway, and most changes come this summer.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 13, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

im really hoping they go on a streak one way or the other before the trade deadline.

by TimAH on Feb 13, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

This scares me...

because our track record without the early season bubble has been roughly win-lose-win-lose. That doesn’t get us in without another late season miracle like last year. Anyone want to bet on the dominos falling perfectly 2 straight years?

If Grossman, Souray, Dvorak, Nystrom and/or Burrish are not in the plan you have to try to flip them for some value before you just let them walk.

Also, has Joe not noticed the teams performance over the last couple years in any game where they can win and jump into the top 8? I don’t believe the results are generally positive for our boys…

by wonderboy14 on Feb 13, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

As much as I'd like to see it happen, I don't think they are going to trade for a big star

In reality there is no reason to do this right now because the Stars aren’t in a position to make a playoff run. I think they will be looking for the big name over the summer if possible. I don’t even know who will be available.

We’ve got a few good veterans and several young prospects. They will probably try to trade away guys like Grossman and Burish now to teams that need them and get some prospects and perhaps a solid veteran in return. Over the summer they will try to move Ribeiro and Morrow to move Ott to Captain along with trying to improve the D lines. Wild guess…probably wrong but thought I would throw it out. I’ll put my trust in Joe

by RB16 on Feb 13, 2012 12:17 PM CST reply actions  

Can't see Ott as captain.

Ideally he is your 3rd line center and agitator. Not the best choice for captain IMO. But as an energy spark plug who wears an ‘A’ sure.

by modano9 on Feb 13, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah im not sure its good to have a captain who the refs likely hate as much or more than the other team does

by TimAH on Feb 13, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Who cares who the captain is?

He’d still be the same player and he isn’t all of a sudden going to be a different type of leader. It’s such an overrated label.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 13, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe it is something we fans care more about...I'm not sure

I think we tend to see the captain as the leader of the team and when they are in a funk like they have been for so long it makes you wonder why.

They have been so flat and uninspired, especially to start out games. This has been true under multiple coaches. None of us know what is going on in the locker room and who the players listen to…if anyone. It just feels from the outside like they need someone to rally around and it makes sense to call that person the leader…captain label or not.

Maybe from the inside it makes more sense to have one guy inspire the team and another “Captain” be the advocate for the team on the ice. But does that make either one less effective? I’m sure I am over-thinking this but that is usual for me.

by RB16 on Feb 13, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

They've been the same way for three years.

They need personal accountability more than anything. I could sit at my desk, knock out the bare minimum amount of work. and no one would complain too much. I could very easily leave work half an hour early everyday. No one would ever know. I don’t though because I hold myself accountable just like I imagine almost everyone in here does.

Players can only be told to work harder so many times from so many people in so many ways before they need to take care of themselves. If they haven’t by now then they’re the problem. The ones that don’t want to be professionals and give a consistent effort can go away. That doesn’t mean a particular player has to score every game, or is a perfect human being. They can work hard and stop getting outworked by teams with more talent.

Tl;DR summary: I don’t care who the captain is. They need to be personally accountable.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 13, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Very well put

They need some sort of pride and it just doesn’t seem to be there.

Rhetorical question….short of getting rid of all of the guys who aren’t giving it 100%, how do you inspire accountability and pride?

Perhaps this should be the #1 concern of top management. How can Joe create the same work ethic in all of the players that he had?

by RB16 on Feb 13, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I have absolutely no idea.

I think they’ve tried.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 13, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Modano was not that sort of player.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 13, 2012 1:28 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

IIRC that's exactly why they were allowed to leave

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by Josh Lile on Feb 13, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

thats more or less what im saying

the “leaders” Morrow,Robidas etc arent LEADING anymore so we need to shooo them out in order to make space for the next generation of leaders

by can we get hatcher back on Feb 13, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Not that easy with those players right now.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 13, 2012 1:48 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Should the coaching staff start calling guys out that are not performing?

Gully sort of did with talking about reduced minutes, but should they specifically call guys out? It could go either way and help improve the guys or splinter the team.

The media as a whole here in Dallas doesn’t care so guys are not singled out for bad play like they are in other hockey cities or how the Cowboys are singled out here. Perhaps it would thrust accountability onto the guys. (not that it has worked at all with the Cowboys but they are a whole different sort of mess than this)

by RB16 on Feb 13, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Work ethic

“The ones that don’t want to be professionals and give a consistent effort can go away. That doesn’t mean a particular player has to score every game, or is a perfect human being. They can work hard and stop getting outworked by teams with more talent.”

Couldn’t have said it better. Can’t always get the results, but as long as the players work the hardest they can, we can’t fault them. That to me has been the single most frustrating point about this season… seeing flashes of hard play but too many stretches of lack of enthusiasm. To rub salt in the wound, it’s not like these players are earning peanuts either.

by MurrayW on Feb 13, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you may be mistaken about his leadership abilities.

He is already a vocal leader in the room and a physical leader on the ice for this team. But, Morrow is the captain and other players don’t tread on his “territory”.

I’m not saying he would be the best captain ever, but he would be far better than what we have now.

As for his offensive production . . . he is snake-bitten right now . . . or maybe a better term would be Neal-ized. If half his post hits when in this year, he would already be a 20+ scorer!

And keep in mind he is a solid defender and PK player.

He doesn’t get all that ice time because he sucks.

by Cowpokealong on Feb 13, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps it is really all born out of frustration with the lack of motivation on this team

It may be a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to move him to Captain but it seems like so often the team relies on him to provide the spark on the ice where they used to rely on Morrow. I think Morrow is just burnt out and worn from playing that style for so long.

The question then becomes, if Morrow is no longer captain (which of course assumes management is thinking the same thing) then who is captain on this team?

by RB16 on Feb 13, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I would presume that coaches do have some say...

Unless you work for Jerry Jones…in which case his word is law

by RB16 on Feb 13, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I would guess most of their impact

is in assessing our current players and where their career trends are heading and feeding that up the chain. Gully would possibly have some additional, though likely minimal, input on a specific trade scenerio.

by 1paniolo on Feb 13, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I love Ott but I'm not sure I want him as captain.

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by T-rom on Feb 13, 2012 12:25 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

I think trading ryder would be downright stupid

He’s on pace for 30 goals and isn’t very old. We could lock him up for another 2-3 years and seeing him on Benn’s wing for another couple years would be a very welcome sight for me

by brickwall5 on Feb 13, 2012 12:28 PM CST reply actions  

He turns 32 next month

By the time we are ready to contend for the Cup, he will be a 4th liner or retired. But right now he has great value to a legitimate Cup contender.

by denniso on Feb 13, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah but if they can get some pieces at the deadline for someone else or in free agency

He’d be a great addition to an at least playoff Dallas Stars team in the next couple of years

by brickwall5 on Feb 13, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

If you make the assumption that the Stars are playoff caliber again in two years

Ryder is 34, and right about the area where players begin the steep decline to mediocrity.

I’d take my chances moving him. You can find depth scoring assuming you have money.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 13, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Right.

I also understand the frustration from the fans. But at the same time, I struggle to see what else could have been expected. I mean, this team hasn’t been able to really improve for four years now.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 13, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

In reality...this is close to what I've expected on the season

You always hope at the start of the season for a miracle run and then they started out that way to get our hopes up. I knew the ownership issue hurt is for so long and even getting one wasn’t going to just flip on a top-tier team light.

The most frustrating part though is watching guys that are good players just fall apart with what seems like no inspiration. I’m sure it is even more frustrating for them than it is for us. But, overall no matter what was or wasn’t expected out of this season, it just makes me sad to watch right now.

by RB16 on Feb 13, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

At least I'm not openly laughing at them like I do with the Cowboys.

Some of the turnovers are blatantly obvious and almost comical….but it still inspires some level of passion in me. So, there’s that.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 13, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes exactly

I grew up watching the Cowboys my whole life and have always been a big fan but at this point I really don’t care what they do.

I do care about the Stars though which makes it more painful to watch

by RB16 on Feb 13, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Very true

I’m not expecting great results, but I expect the team to at least exhibit some passion for the game they’re in. They do so on some occasions but they’re just not consistent enough work-ethic wise, at least in my opinion.
That’s the disappointing thing.

by MurrayW on Feb 13, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Thats the exact same way I feel, even though you know they won’t be near the top of the standings, it still sucks seeing them lose and especially in big games against teams they need to beat.

And for me I don’t get too upset with the ways things are going lately, because them being in that 8-12 range is where I expected them to be. Do I like to see them there, of course not but realistically that’s what they are.

by chris1989 on Feb 13, 2012 4:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

The Stars system of tight checking,

hard to play against has been outright sabotaged not by defense but by turnovers, mostly in the defensive zone. How would management expect that this to stop now, this late in the season?
By all rights, the Stars should be sellers and then make significant changes this summer, if possible. Delay in having this same plan the last couple of years has made it almost impossible, PR wise, to proceed with this plan, now.
Gm Joe has his work cut our for him.

by mcgee48c on Feb 13, 2012 1:36 PM CST reply actions  

Sell high!

Considering the buyer to seller ratio at each year’s trade deadline, I think you have to consider shipping out some veterans for nice returns. If keeping them means you lose in the first round rather than miss the playoffs completely, I’d rather cash in those veteran assets and just take a mulligan on this season.

by Ronin56 on Feb 13, 2012 1:37 PM CST reply actions  

Only issue with that is that the whole city isn't in love with the Stars like we are

I, along with most of us here, would probably be ok with a strategy to build the team from the ground up now that we have a new owner.

The problem is that they are trying to re-build interest and excitement in the team which in this area includes mostly non-fanatics such as we are. If we were able to get a new owner a couple years back and start the rebuilding process then it would be different. I just see it as a major problem now after several bad years.

I’m not saying they need to forget rebuilding and try to patch something together…just saying it is a position I would not want to be in to figure out how to rebuild and create near-instant excitement in the metroplex at the same time.

by RB16 on Feb 13, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

As frustrating as missing the play offs might be

I think a trade including Ryder might be a good move if u could pick a few good quality prospects.

I would actively try and move Grossman. I like him, and don’t like making him a scapegoat but he has been patchy at best this season and given he is UFA u might as well see what u can pick up. Fistric could easily take his place in the lineup, and I think has had a rough deal being scratched so often this season.

I hate to write this season off, but the trend is there for all to see and the future is much more important than being swept in the 1st round by the wings or canucks.

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by Matt Wright on Feb 13, 2012 2:09 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

This doesn't really belong here ...

But since something here sent me careening off into the internet to eventually click on the Puck Daddy Comrie retirement and somehow from there to discovering that the Dallas Stars #1 pick in 2003 was traded to Aneheim for their two 2nd round picks.

The Ducks took Corey Perry with that 28th pick. Corey Perry as a Star … omg … both ways! I had no clue. I guess we were locked in on Eriksson (2nd Rnd/#33) and decided to trade down. We used those two picks from the Ducks for Vojtech Polak (#36) and BJ Crombeen (#54). But we could have gotten Patrice Bergeron (#45) or Shea Weber (#49) or even David Backes (#62). I know hindsight is always perfect, but I would love to see where our draft board had those guys! Man the 2003 draft was insanely deep!

by 1paniolo on Feb 13, 2012 2:09 PM CST reply actions  

What's depressing is Armstrong's deals in 2007 & 2008

Trading away our 1st rounders 2 years in a row for two bags of nothing.

by denniso on Feb 13, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

True

Our 2007 1st rounder turned into Riley Nash (#21), but also taken just after that: Max Pacioretty (#22) or David Perron (#26) or even P.K. Subban (#43) before we picked Nico Sacchetti at #50. All to rent Ladislav Nagy for 25 games and 14 points.

Our 2008 1st rounder was a piece of the trade that brought Mattias Norström to the stars for the end of 2007, ’07 playoffs, the 07/08 season and the ’08 run to the conference finals. That first rounder eventually ended up with Phoenix who used it on Viktor Tikhonov (#28) who played 61 games in the NHL and is now in the KHL. That trade seems like a pretty good one.

by 1paniolo on Feb 13, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Norstrom got a pretty bad rap here.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 13, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but you could do that with any team in any draft.

Every other team passed on Eriksson in the 2nd round. Ryan Miller was picked very late. Zetterberg was a late round pick.

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by Brandon Worley on Feb 13, 2012 2:29 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Yep, there are waaaay too many variables

Team chemistry, any development received while on the team’s minor league squad, minutes played, veterans played with and so on.

Best just to let the draft go and walk away.

by RB16 on Feb 13, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh I know ...

notice I said that hindsight is perfect. Course 13 players who have been all stars were picked in front of Loui … like I said that is a deep draft. Every player in the first round made the NHL.

What would be interesting is to see where those guys were on our draft boards.

But going back and looking at that … no matter who your team is … will likely make you feel like poo! lol

by 1paniolo on Feb 13, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I wonder how many teams wish they could've gotten Benn in the 5th round.

You can’t really go there as far as looking back on the draft. There’s always going to be studs as well as busts that come out of the draft. One thing that can be largely debated is what position is being drafted or focused on or if they just go in with the “best player available” mentality.

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by T-rom on Feb 13, 2012 2:23 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

I think we all want this team to get better

but simply saying "let’s trade everyone we perceive as being at fault (morrow, grossman, Ribeiro, robidas, etc) isn’t going to solve anything. you have to make the deal that works best for us. of those 4, I think only grossman deserves to go by trade. the rest? let them serve out their contracts, let them go then. we aren’t going to trade for a veteran forward so if you dump them all at once, who leads this team? Ott, Benn, Eriksson? of those, only Benn could wear the C and he isn’t ready yet. stop trying to find a scales goat and take this for what it is, a tram caught somewhere between competing and rebuilding. it takes time. we just got an owner, be happy with that. we just spent 4 years without a head. change will happen.

by DStarsFan on Feb 13, 2012 2:33 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

I think Grossman "might" be a goner.

Rest? No idea, to tell the truth.

Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.

by Henri Muroke on Feb 13, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

The less Swedes the better

amirite?

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by Josh Lile on Feb 13, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Hahahah.

Okay, Wandell too, if it’s that way. =)

Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.

by Henri Muroke on Feb 13, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

What? Do you have some problem with Swedish people?

Did you get hit by a Volvo or have IKEA furniture fall on you?? That is so insensitive of you…

Just kidding. I read your comment and couldn’t help it :)

by RB16 on Feb 13, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Thats an amazing video hahahaha

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by Josh Lile on Feb 13, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

"Titta"!

Good stuff.

Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.

by Henri Muroke on Feb 14, 2012 6:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Not even a peep about Kari?

Remember, we’re not talking about things we want to see…we’re talking assets that would bring anything in return.

by jabudi on Feb 13, 2012 4:04 PM CST reply actions  

he's our goaltender of the future is he not?

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by shock00 on Feb 13, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

There is no one ready to fill his position full time if he is gone

How many games would we have lost without him? If the team does not have confidence in their goaltender then there is no chance they will feel confident enough to take risks to score

I have to think he is pretty much off limits for these talks

by RB16 on Feb 13, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I know the lighting really really really need a goalie

I think Kari would net us a huge haul. I would hate to see him traded within the Conference, but could you imagine how much better he would look in Chicago, and the Blackhawks are loaded with elite prospects. Especially at C

Its supranatural, you know, a higher level than supernatural

by Bayouboy99 on Feb 13, 2012 4:29 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

unfortunately we would be left with a poo-poo platter at the G position.

Its supranatural, you know, a higher level than supernatural

by Bayouboy99 on Feb 13, 2012 4:31 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

That's what I was getting at

Parise is probably off the table, but the Devils need a goalie again soon.

Again, not advocating that we do this- just that I don’t hear his name mentioned much and Kari might have a lot of trade value.

by jabudi on Feb 13, 2012 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

there are teams a goalie away from serious contention for a Stanley cup

I hate that we can’t exploit that. Such is life when you’ve only had 2 goalies in a decade.

Its supranatural, you know, a higher level than supernatural

by Bayouboy99 on Feb 14, 2012 1:52 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Trade Bennie, Lehts, and Loui,

keep Nisky, Avery, Turgeon.

So what’s so tough about this trade business?

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by Netminder#20 on Feb 13, 2012 4:28 PM CST reply actions  

Can't wait til it's over

The Winter Classic
The All-Star Game
The Trade Deadline

Ever watch the NHL Network (TSN) on trade deadline day? Sooo bad.

If Joe can get a true top-six forward for Grossman, he’s GM of the Year.

If I’m reading the Gaglardi quote right, we’re not going to trade current assets for draft picks and prospects. Really, what are you going to get for Burish, Dvorak, Pardy, Nystrom or Souray that will help the team this year? Third and fourth liners don’t get you top-six players.

by irchmo on Feb 13, 2012 5:27 PM CST reply actions  

Uh.....WTF?????

What’s wrong with this picture? Except Grossman and Burish, everyone on this list are guys they just signed this year! How is that building anything? And by the way….ROBIDAS MUST GO! He sucks!!!

by jm583 on Feb 13, 2012 6:24 PM CST reply actions  

They didn't sign those guys to build something.

They signed them because they had absolutely no depth, and they thought they were a playoff team.

They now have depth coming, and probably aren’t a playoff team as constructed. No reason to not explore possibilities.

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by Josh Lile on Feb 13, 2012 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Grossman, Ott and Morrow should be first in line

I wish I had a dollar for every missed scoring opportunity for Ott
Morrow is a disaster for the team using up a top 6 slot – Vincour and Nystrom have both been significantly better In additon, Ott’s passing has been lame
In the past, I have been a big fan of Grossman but this year he is in a daze and very disappointing

by Ronald Sivertson on Feb 13, 2012 6:55 PM CST reply actions  

As a fan, first time potentially experiencing being a true potential Seller at the deadline

I am ok with this. Not making the playoffs in 3 or more years has been… Not fun. If some of the mainstay or homegrown players go, I just hope to be REALLY excited about the return, core and future Stars.

by KStars on Feb 13, 2012 10:09 PM CST reply actions  

Morrow isn't leaving

And I don’t want him to. He’s been injured all year. He had 33 goals last year. Yea that’s last year, but clearly his injuries are catching up to him. Benny and Kari are putting this team on their backs and morrow will be back WHEN this team MAKES playoffs. Mark my words.

by 91_Stars_21 on Feb 13, 2012 10:52 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I don't want Morrow to go.

I don’t want Ott to go, either. I do, however, want Ott out of the top 6, where he simply does not belong. At all.

I realize to get someone else there we need to give something up. I’m not sure what that should be, and that;s why i am not a GM.

Good luck, Joe. That’s why they pay the big bucks.

by cms1171 on Feb 13, 2012 11:04 PM CST reply actions  

We're paying Ott top 6 money though

And he WAS able to fill that role just a few years ago.

by jabudi on Feb 14, 2012 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

No they aren't.

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