2012 NHL Trade Deadline: Rumors, Playoff Chances & The Dallas Stars
This is going to be an interesting month for the Dallas Stars and GM Joe Nieuwendyk. For the first time since he was named the General Manager for the Stars, Nieuwendyk has freedom to make moves that aren't tied to keeping this team at a rock-bottom salary. Always before, the Stars were handcuffed from making significant additions to the team because of the required additional salary; with a new owner in place, it's believed there's finally a bit more flexibility for Nieuwendyk to finally make some bold decisions.
Last year's trade deadline was dominated by talk of the Brad Richards situation. The Stars offered him a decent extension offer, which he refused, and the refusal of Richards to waive his NTC -- along with his concussion issues at the time -- made trading the soon-to-depart center nearly impossible. The Stars also made a significant move for the future, trading for defenseman Alex Goligoski. While the price was steep, the Stars acquired a defenseman who will be the cornerstone for this team for at least the next four years.
The question, of course, is what path the Stars will be taking. Tom Gaglardi has mentioned several times that he doesn't believe in making rash decisions in the middle of the season and that most team building is done through the draft and free agency. Given the exorbitant prices required to trade for any significant player at this time of year, and it's understandable why the Stars would be hesitant to make a trade that might only have an actual effect on this current season.
Yet, with the new owner in place and the Dallas Stars sitting on the precipice of missing the playoffs yet again, rumors are starting to swirl. It's been mentioned lately that Brenden Morrow and Nicklas Grossman could be targets for other teams, ones that are hoping to make an actual deep playoff run. The fans are hoping for the Dallas Stars to make a big move and the local media is saying a failure to do so would be catastrophic. Zach Parise is off the table but what about Cody Hodgson?
It's February, folks, and the silly season is just beginning.
Right now, it's unclear just what the plan Gaglardi and Nieuwendyk have for this team. While Gaglardi has said he won't hesitate to spend money to rebuild this team, it's prudent to be careful with how you're spending that money. Take the Buffalo Sabres for example, or the Columbus Blue Jackets. It takes more than just an open wallet to build a successful team.
We just don't know what Nieuwendyk is trying to do. The offseason acquisitions of last summer were made with short-term thinking, not knowing what the actual financial future of this team would be. Since becoming a GM, he's had to play it safe and in the meantime he's generally done a good job of attempting to maintain this hockey team competitive despite a basement-dwelling payroll. He's also managed to start the rebuild of the farm system, with several prospects making the jump to the AHL next season.
What we don't know is how Nieuwendyk and Gaglardi plan to not only approach this rebuilding process and what sort of team they're hoping to build, but how they'll approach their first trade deadline. Nieuwendyk shed some light on the situation, talking to the Dallas Morning News yesterday.
"I definitely think you have to be smart, and we feel we have been," Nieuwendyk said. "We have looked for younger players [in trades], and have tried to look at things long term, and I don't think that's going to change."
Nieuwendyk admits he has been cautious over the previous two seasons because he really didn't have the ability to spend money when the team was owned by lenders operating on a low payroll. Now he has the ability to take some chances, and he said that will create opportunities.
"What I'm finding now is I can get in on more conversations and at least test the waters more, and we're doing that," he said.
Whereas before we never would have expected the Stars to be involved in major trade talks, now the Stars at least have the ability to jump in on those conversations.
The problem is that the Stars have limited resources, as well as the problem of determining just how important making the postseason this year is. For many, missing the playoffs this year after a new owner has purchased the team would be sports suicide in Dallas. For others, it's not so much about making the postseason this year -- which is far from a guarantee -- it's about setting this team up, finally, to actually improve season to season heading into next year.
The Stars sit in one in a tough spot in the standings and once again it's going to be tough for Nieuwendyk to justify going in sell mode with the Stars still within reach of the postseason. It's a discussion we've had several times the past few years and once again, how the Stars play throughout the month of February might have a direct impact on the strategy of Gaglardi and Nieuwendyk.
The Stars have several veterans that would allow the Stars to free up roster space as well as net some relatively decent future assets in the process. It's been mentioned before how the contract status of a number of those players will make trading them easier, although it's tough to say just what the market would be for those players. Certainly, we shouldn't expect anything tremendous in return -- unless it's a major package deal.
Then there's the fact that the Stars have a couple of players that are seen as incredibly valuable for teams making that playoff push. Brenden Morrow is someone that has been mentioned as a perfect fit for the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Vancouver Canucks. Nicklas Grossman, set to be a UFA this summer, has been linked to the Philadelphia Flyers several times over the past few weeks.
As far as acquiring a significant prospect or top-six forward this spring, who would also be a significant piece for the future -- there's just not many within reach of the Stars. The need for a center, or at the very least a top-six player, is significant. Not just for this season but for the future as well. It's just not as easy as saying "the Stars MUST get one", and teams are certainly going to demand a high price for such a player.
Cody Hodgson has been the target of speculation for Stars fans, especially considering how Morrow is being mentioned in trade talks. Hodgson, however, is a bona fide center prospect and you better believe it's going to take more than just Morrow to land him, especially considering that it's left wing Mason Raymond who is being mentioned as a trade piece -- not Hodgson.
With Grossman being talked about as a possible target for the Flyers, immediately Brayden Schenn is mentioned. Schenn, who just made his NHL debut this season, has fought injuries and now has three goals and two assists in 20 games. He certainly wouldn't be the "quick fix", but possibly could be another asset for the future.
Once again, whether a player like Grossman, with an expiring contract, can get a return like Schenn is incredibly unlikely. So, would it be worth it for the Stars to make a package deal for such a player -- Hodgson or Schenn -- when both have unknown potential at the NHL level?
Then there's Morrow's NTC, which something that is rarely mentioned anyway. So...oh well? There's also the issue of the idea of trading Morrow's salary, and how that would affect the cap situation. We'll get into that a bit deeper next week.
So, the Dallas Stars once again find themselves sitting on the fence as they head to the deadline. There's no public plan in place, so it's tough to really determine just what path the Stars are looking to take. It's likely that, once again, their approach will be determined by the team's play leading up to the deadline -- which probably isn't exactly the best choice, but you can understand it.
This season, making the postseason is something that would be great for this franchise moving forward. Passing up on several opportunities to build for the future just to take advantage of a chance on this season would be a mistake, however. The Stars must weight their options and realize that if the right trade is there, it needs to be made. This season is important, but it's the future that matters most.
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Nicely written piece (as always)
I wouldn’t be surprised to see some type of 3-way trade being made based on our current roster, etc. Trade in for a player or two then couple them with a veteran to pave the way for a more attractive trade offer to a team who has personnel the Stars really want.
But this is purely me guessing, which really means nothing :-)
What do you think the return for Hodgson would need to be?
Morrow + what other players and/or picks?
Morrow and a high round pick, at the very least.
Possibly another prospect.
You’re talking about a 1st round draft pick who is showing some decent potential as a center.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 1, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
He's
on pace for 50 points playing on the third line behind Sedin and Kesler. He has first line potential.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 1, 2012 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
He's on pace to come close to Jamie Benn's rookie season.
Possibly better.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 1, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
So if that is the case would you do the trade?
He is only 21 I believe and one could argue you won’t find a better player in the draft. Not to mention he can step in right now, not 2 or 3 years of development, and could possibly center Benn for years to come.
I think Vancouver might want more.
But they’d also be the ones shopping for Morrow.
If it were Morrow + Vincour + 3rd…..perhaps, but only if it were Hodgson + something.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 1, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
Instead I would try to do Morrow + 2nd for Hodgson. Then possibly give Vincour the spot Morrow was playing.
That would be ideal.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 1, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
You never know how much value VAN GM puts on Morrow.
If he believes Morrow is the missing piece, he will overpay. Remember Boston gave up Joe Colborne (1st 16th overall), 1st and 2nd for Kaberle. Regardless, I don’t think Morrow to VAN trade would ever get done. I don’t think he would waive NTC to go to a team that employs Alex Burrows. Plus Gaglardi was involved into a lawsuit with VAN owners, and would not want to help them win the Cup.
I think that would just come down to Morrow's issue with Burrows,
but even then, would he let something like that get in his way of potentially winning the Cup?
And with Gaglardi, I hope that his own team’s wellbeing is more important to him than preventing Vancouver from getting better.
by Travis Drybread on Feb 1, 2012 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
Worley any idea if he'd be willing to waive his NTC?
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I don't think he will.
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by Brandon Worley on Feb 1, 2012 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
that was my thought as well
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Don't think
that would be enough. I really don’t think they want to give up a 21 year old who could be the first line center on some teams for Morrow and a pick. They could get a better deal. Don’t think we’re going to find a better center than Benn either. People want him moved to wing but the guy is a point per game power center.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 1, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
Sellers.
we’ve been trending down since November. We have aging vets and an upcoming UFA we could unload for picks or prospects, which, I would do. I would move Grossman if the right offer came. I would move Souray if i could and Morrow/Robidas if the right deal came along.
Those decisions are of the mind, not of the heart. Business decisions. Looking at the future. Besides, if I could move Morrow/Robidas to a team that could win the Cup, I would do it for them as much as it would be to help the Stars.
We’ll know on the 17th where we stand and being 10 days away from the deadline we’ll have a firm grasp of our position in the standings. That alone will determine what, if any, moves are made.
I think it’s dangerous to float in mediocrity like this. DFW notoriously only loves a winner (well, that flies in the face of the Cowboys) but look at the Mavs AND the Stars of the past: consistent regular season winners and post-season enjoyment (albeit some bow outs in the first round)…
the point is, we are not a dominant team expected to make the playoffs. HOPING to make the playoffs is not where you want to be. I’ve said in the past that i’d rather be chasing the 8th than being a perennial loser, but… if you’re 9th place… you’re a loser… and you don’t even get high draft picks… WHICH leads me to thread-jack: Draft order should be determined by how close you got to the playoffs… not how bad you did. i digress. never happen. back to NHL12…
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by graylikethecolor on Feb 1, 2012 3:37 PM CST reply actions
DFW loves a winner
Attendance at the Death Star has decline every year since it opened, actually. Not even the cowboys are immune.
If we aren't in it at the deadline
I would also attempt to trade every pending UFA as well as Morrow and Robidas.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 1, 2012 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
Trade Deadline
If the Stars are going to trade away their roster for the “final piece of the puzzle” to make the playoffs. I would say look at the liabilities first. Jake Dowell and Adam Pardy make sense.
Trading away Morrow and Grossman would be a mistake because the Morrow is the team captain and Grossy is just getting into his game. Trading them away would be a mistake.
If Morrow happens to be traded away, who would wear the next “C”?
so.. how do you want those bags of pucks for Pardy & Dowell...
slightly used or really used?
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by graylikethecolor on Feb 1, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
this is true
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Lol maybe Joe could get a 5th rounder for Pardy
And we all know how much he loves late round draft picks
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Looks like the Pens nabbed this guy off reentry waivers. Seems like a pretty shrewd move considering he is a young center who has put up decent stats (40 points in 107 games) and for a small price tag (~$500k)
Wonder why we passed on him then
If nothing else, he’d give us some cheap depth
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by Virginian Star on Feb 2, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
just check out UFA's for 12 & 13 on CapGeek...
man, this year is ok… but next year??? dude…. a TON of UFA’s…
now, you have to take into consideration that a.) Sidney Crosby will still be out indefinitely with concussion like symptoms and b.) the majority of superstars on that list will have re-signed with their respective teams… but still…. I like July 1, 2013 already.
so, if I had Joe’s ear, I’d say “look, dude, we’re not getting younger and we’re in a position in 2013 to land some serious FA’s. move these aging vets NOW for picks in the 2012/13 draft, bring up Fraser/Dillon/Jordie/hell everybody from Austin and see what happens next season. THEN you go make a huge splash in FA and by the 2013/14 season you’ll have Oleksiak/Campbell/et al ready to move up to the NHL…”
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by graylikethecolor on Feb 1, 2012 4:06 PM CST reply actions
if we're just at the floor with our current roster
I think negotiating new contracts for Fraser/Dillon/Jordie/anyone else down there with expiring RFA’s would bring us to the floor… or close enough.
The 2nd option would be to pull a Nystrom and sign a FA to get to the floor as needed.
But at least clean the slate.
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by graylikethecolor on Feb 1, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
Contract extensions/new contracts
Only go into affect the next season. Stars have to remain above the floor this season with whatever everyone is already signed to.
Brad Boyes.
Trade Michael Neal for Brad Boyes. Thats like 4 million right there.
What...just...happened?
It would be virtually impossible for the Stars to fall under the cap floor at this point
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Pardy+ pick for JVR?
Sound good?
by Lone star hockey32 on Feb 1, 2012 4:19 PM CST via mobile reply actions
JVR would cost significantly more than Grossman
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ufas
at the very least they should seriously considering trading the UFAs. You gotta avoid losing those types of players for nothing. Guys like Burish and Dvorak should be appealing to playoff teams who may be willing to give up mid round picks where Dallas seems to be choosing very well lately. Some team would likely offer up a 2nd rounder for a guy like Grossman. Sheldon Souray likely has similar value.
Grossman would fetch more than a 2nd rounder.
Lots of teams are looking for D-men this time of the year and there are not too many available. The asking price for Tim Gleason was two 1sts or a prospect + 1st. Kaberle was traded for 1st round prospect, 1st and 2nd last year.
I have no idea what the Stars would do this time.
They have needs, but who would go?
I don’t think Morrow will leave and if he will… It might be during summer.
Grossman might, if so, I hope the price is okay.
I just hope they get some wins and continue that way, then Joe can “surprise” me, again.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
If you're adding
PA Parenteau
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Did a tiny bit of research on current NHL centermen
What does anyone know about Craig Smith from Nashville? He’s got a pretty good stat line (11G – 19A – 30P in 49 games) and good size at 6’1 197 lbs. He is – 5, but I don’t know what line he plays on or much else about him besides what I have just said. I don’t think he has the ceiling of a Cody Hodgson, but thought I’d throw it out there and get some feedback…
He's one of the only legitimate top 6 forwards
that the Predators franchise has developed. I doubt that they’re eager to part with him.
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by JimCrankshaft on Feb 1, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
Wouldn't JVR be more available then schenn?
I’d do grossman and a 2nd for either of those. Grossman 2nd and 4th too
by 91_Stars_21 on Feb 1, 2012 6:28 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Those are offensive defenseman giong for multiple picks/players
Grossman is a mid aged 4-5 defensman who can play on the pk. His value is his demand. Does Philly want a shutdown guy or do they need a PP puck mover. I doubt teams will vastly overpay after Kaberle’s amazing performance last season in Boston.
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That was gross overpayment for Kaberle.
If I was Philly I wouldn’t do a JVR for Grossman trade straight up.
Not even close...
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Just no way
You might not be able to get Simmonds or Voracek for Grossman and a second.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 1, 2012 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
I honestly believe
That GM Joe should not even begin to take this year’s playoffs into consideration for personnel decisions. It’s not the end of the world. Build for next year.
I think this team can make the playoffs if we can avoid injuries
We need scoring depth, wether that is a Vincour or a Fraser, but we need more scoring from the 2nd/4th lines. I’m not worried about defense for this season. We can adress that in the summer.
What...just...happened?
I would easily give Gross, a 1st and whatever else for Schenn
Schenn will be a bonafide #1, hard to play against centre in this league. Giving up a d-man we can repalce through our system and a mid-1st round pick plus whatever else should be a no brainer (by whatever else, I mean it would have to be reasonable; perhaps a depth guy to fill in Philly’s roster or another decent pick). It’s probably also because he’s that good that Philly will hold on to him.
I would steer clear of Hodgson to be honest. The kid has a ton of potential but he has a horrendous injury history. He was pegged to at least make a strong run at cracking the Vancouver roster years ago and couldn’t due to injuries leading to underachieving performances. He missed out on winning a gold medal with Canada for the same reason. No way would I give up our captain to bring in someone who might not even play 70 games on a regular basis when they’re that young.
The Stars 1st round pick is going to be pretty valuable.
I think you’re better off trusting your scouts and making a pick.
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Your scouts can be as good as Detroit's
But that doesn’t mean anyone available in the mid-first round will be a Brayden Schenn. We all saw Brenden put the Stars on his back in the 08 playoffs; Brayden did that with Team Canada during last year’s world juniors, only he did it on 1 leg. Sure it was against junior players, but that’s the heart the kid has. Picture a Brenden Morrow who wins faceoffs and scores more often. How many of those come along in a given draft year? I’m willing the bet the average is below 1.
gaborik or hossa
maybe this is wishful thinking. Ok, this is definitely wishful thinking. But we need a BIG TIME forward like Gaborik or Hossa. Our first line is really a bunch of second-liners. You might win by not letting in any goals, but you definitely can’t win if you don’t score your own…
I disagree partly
Yes, our top 6 needs to be filled out, and we’re missing a 3rd top 3, but Benner and Loui would be on the first line of any other team in the league unless you’re running a 1a-1b system.

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