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Stars' Offense Rounding Into Form But Can't Do It Alone

The boys are scoring more and more, but so are their opponents.

The Dallas Stars, 4-5-0 in their last nine games, still looking for consistency, Gulutzan and his staff have proceeded to pull the trigger on some changes that have been well received and largely effective.

Alex Goligoski has seen his power play time increased and while this may not be manifesting itself every night on the score sheet, the power play has looked much more dangerous as of late. Jamie Benn (and to a lesser extent Loui Eriksson) has been getting double shifted with the fourth line and that's already led directly to better possession and a couple of goals.

The most recent change came last night, as Brandon discussed earlier, with Eriksson's move to the Ribeiro line, placing Ott back with Jamie Benn. The Ribeiro line responded with two goals.

The Stars offense, if you look at the game log heading into last night's game, seems to present itself in three clearly defined segments: The hot start, the drought in November (becoming a yearly tradition) and the last 12 games or so in which they've righted the ship.

The goals per game in those segments are:

Game #'s Goals Per Game
1-14 3.07
15-26 2.00
27-38 2.92

2.92 is well above average and it was headed that way before the tweaks. If you subtract the drought that spawned a five game losing streak the Stars having 102 goals in the remaining 34 games = 3.00 goals per game. That's a top 10 offense.

It's not often people say this, with the power play the way it's been, but it looks like the offense is not the problem...

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The move to jump start Ribeiro's line was one we perceived as needed but if you look at the Stars' goal distribution over the last 12 games heading into last night (since Morrow returned and solidified the lines) was it really that bad?

Line/Grouping Goals
Benn, Eriksson, Ryder: 16
Ribeiro, Morrow, Ott: 9
Fiddler, Nystrom, Dvorak: 4
4th Line + Defense: 6


*Again, those numbers for the 12 games heading into last night to gain understanding of what's been happening lately.

That's generally what you'd expect from an NHL lineup, and it's 2.92 G/G. The first line does the heavy lifting, the second line is a not too distant second and the rest of the team fills it out from there. Brandon and I had a conversation about "secondary scoring" earlier this week, feeling that Ribeiro line was not contributing what we expect them to. I put together these numbers before the Nashville game and decided to drop it because evidently the Ribeiro line has been producing. Then Gulutzan goes and tweaks them anyway.

Which is a round about way of saying that all these changes are nice but the thing keeping the team from achieving consistent results night in and night out isn't the offense that's recieving all the tweaks.

You can say "duh" now if you'd like.

Take those three segments in the table above and look at the goals against per game in those periods:

Game #'s Goals Against Per Game
1-14 2.35
15-26 3.16
27-38 3.33

Up and up it goes.

Alex Goligoski and Trevor Daley missed a big portion of that middle period, while Robidas and Souray have been absent this last bit. The biggest absence of all was Kari Lehtonen, of course, and that last segement of games includes a couple of sub-par outtings from Andrew Raycrfot and Richard Bachman.

Starting a new segement of what we hope will be relative health last night, the Stars got Robidas back and a good performance from Kari Lehtonen, allowing just one goal. Granted, that's against one of the absolute worst offensive teams in the league (Nashville has scored just one goal in four of their last five games) but the Stars hope that's all a sign of things to come.

"We create a lot of our offense out of our defense, and you see that in games where we play well together,'' Ribeiro said last night. "As a room, we know what we have to do to win games, and we have proven that against good teams.''

The penalty kill hasn't allowed a goal in four straight and what's more, the Stars are playing a disciplined game and not surrendering as many chances as they once were. If that continues, and Kari rounds into early season form, and Souray gets back a week from now, and everyone else can keep themselves healthy, the goals against will come down.

It almost has to - 3.33 goals against per game is a virtually unsustainable pace. When their defensive house is put in order, the tweaks on the other side will yield more sustainable, long term effects as they effort to get their goal differential back to even and beyond.

Tweaking the offense to push for more goals makes for exciting games, but it's not a long term solution to outrunning their problem. Will they be fine once they're healthy, or does the trend indicate a bigger issue?

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To be fair to you, they did say just last night that he was out for another 7-10 days.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 6, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

thats hilarious and the following day Souray is practicin.

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by shock00 on Jan 6, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I think when Souray comes back it will help

but anyone who says it’s a cure all is deluding themselves. We have a subpar defense still. Granted, it’s better than last season, but it’s still not great. It’s going to take a year or two to fix.

Either way, I still think this defense is good enough for us to get into the playoffs. maybe even win a series, depending on the matchup… but that’s about it. (Of course, this is assuming that they all stay healthy, and that Pardy never plays again)

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by Tsudbury on Jan 6, 2012 1:18 PM CST reply actions  

I almost feel sorry for the guy

I mean, it’s not like he wants to play poorly. Hope his friends and family don’t read this stuff.

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by Mike Russo on Jan 6, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, he's my new whipping post, since Woywitka left. I give him too hard of a time, honestly.

He’s had a rough few games, for sure, but he had his best games just before that. He’s fine as a 6th/7th D man, but asking him to play a ton of minutes is asking too much I think.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 6, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

The D is worlds better then it was a few years ago.

But the goals for is really interesting since most “experts” think the weakness of the team is their inability to score goals or lack of star power. If Gaglardi somehow is able to pull of a big aquisition of a great player that can score goals in free agency without having to trade away anyone in the offseason (Parise?) then this team will have some formidable offensive punch.

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by T-rom on Jan 6, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

They don't need to.

I doubt they, or Pardy, are delusional enough to think he’s actually playing well. He knows. I don’t think anyone is attacking him.

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by Josh Lile on Jan 6, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we would all be as ecstatic as anyone if he started playing well

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by Tsudbury on Jan 6, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I would be ecstatic

if we even just made the playoffs and won a single home game. That would exceed all of the expectations I had going into this year, and really help in building up the Season Ticket Holder base again.

by Jeff D on Jan 6, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Did Ribs say that

before or after he spit out his broken teeth?

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by Mike Russo on Jan 6, 2012 1:21 PM CST reply actions  

Its simple

Get Robi and Souray back.

by STARBARTZZ on Jan 6, 2012 1:47 PM CST reply actions  

We need a top 6 forward!

To me, moving Loui to the top line was a good pick me up for the Ribeiro line, but then it takes away the Loui/Benn/Ryder line. Wouldn’t it be better to add the top six forward like Parise, B. Ryan, Getzlaf or Iginla(maybe not exactly top 6) perhaps? That keeps the real first line intact adds depth to the third/fourth moving Ott back down. With teams like the Ducks and Jackets losing playoff hopes we need to be aggressive for once and get a legit top scorer to shore up the top two lines. Are we going to compete with the big boys – Wings,Sharks, Canucks, Bruins, Flyers etc. or scrape by to get the 8th seed? Luckily our new owner is here now, and Joe can atleast consider this type of move. I’m just wondering if we’ll be late to the dance with Burke in Toronto, Bowman in Chicago gearing up for big moves. Can’t forget about Philly who always seems to make dramatic moves to push for the playoffs.

by darksidecowboy on Jan 6, 2012 2:24 PM CST reply actions  

who would you bump out of the top 6 for an upgrade?

Ribs, Morrow, Eriksson, Benn, Ryder, Ott…..i think the top 6 forwards is the most solid part of this team.

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by shock00 on Jan 6, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably, depending on the forward.

They need another possession guy in the top 6. Preferably one that can take faceoffs.

The forward defense is bad too. Ryder/Ribeiro/Morrow aren’t good defensive players.

A #1 C or LW (depending on what you do with Benn..ok with him staying at C), #1 D, a second pairing D, and a shutdown defender would be my wishlist.

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by Josh Lile on Jan 6, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

"top six forward like Parise, B. Ryan, Getzlaf or Iginla(maybe not exactly top 6) perhaps?"

Parise isn’t going anywhere esp. when NJ is still in the hunt for a playoff spot.

Getzlaf and Ryan- both would command a hefty price (Getzlaf, more so since he is their captain and a centerman).

Iginla may be a good addition, but he being Calgary’s best tradeable asset, will coerce quite a bit in return.

Maybe Carolina or Montreal would be worth looking at.

by Dallas_Stars74 on Jan 6, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree Iggy is 34 (35 on July 1st)...

…but I still think he has about 2 years (3 max) of 30g seasons left in him. However, we will not be able to meet Calgary’s demands seeing that he’s their no.1 tradeable asset. We don’t have the kind of prospects they’d want.

by Dallas_Stars74 on Jan 6, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Who exactly woould you give up for a top 6?

Chances are, the other team is going to ask for one of our top 6. I really don’t think this team can make a big splash via a trade this season. We don’t have enough to give up. If it’s gonna happen, it’ll have to be through free agency.

by DFWFan on Jan 6, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

And no one is really tradeable in the top 6 either...

Loui and Benn are off limits. Morrow and Ribs have NTCs. No other team would consider Ott to be a top 6, and they probably wouldn’t with Ryder. (Also, trading Ryder would be bad for us in the long run — gives us a bad name if we sign players and trade them away the first chance we get.)

Our defense is weak, so nothing is really tradeable there either. The only thing left is prospects and picks, along with a combination of some players, and that would only sacrifice our future even more.

Realistically, unless a team is looking to dump salary, and we are one of the only teams in the hunt (for whatever reason), our only big acquisitions are going to be through free agency.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 6, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

"The only thing left is prospects and picks"

Seeing how we have picked in round 1 the entire last decade, I’d not be afraid to deal a 1st rounder away- provided whomever we get in return is not a Ladislav Nagy and also has 3-4 years of service in him. Same argument goes for our prospect pool. I’d probably classify Oleksiak among the untouchables.

by Dallas_Stars74 on Jan 6, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Of course... I'm not trying to rule out any trades or anything.

If something good comes up and the price is right, I’m all for it. But those are few and far between. We don’t have the spare resources to trade like other teams have.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 6, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

We're not contending...

…but I don’t see us making the playoffs with this bunch. I believe you said we can make the playoffs, so i guess we have to disagree on that.

by Dallas_Stars74 on Jan 6, 2012 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I tend to agree with you

I think we need to upgrade personnel to make the playoffs. This bunch I think finishes 10th.

Obviously I hope I’m wrong.

by cms1171 on Jan 6, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Joe has to pick his spots here

just like he did with Kari. He had to take a calculated risk (often injured goalie with a great upside going into RFA) and give up on a guy (Vishnovsky) that was still well-though of in most of the hockey world. I don’t know if there are any other similar situations out there right now….but I don’t think he should just go wading into trade conversations with teams looking to trade cornerstone players in order to rebuild. They will just be asking for too much back.

Here’s a thought though: given Ryder’s history of being streaky, and following good seasons with bad seasons, would now be a good time to trade him? His value will probably never be any higher than it is now.

by Jeff D on Jan 6, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

While it's a good idea at first, I think that will do more harm to us when free agency hits.

If a player is having a hard time deciding between us and another club, they’re going to be much more hesitant to sign with a team that is going to trade them the first season they’re there. I bet Vancouver is going to feel some of that fallout this year.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 6, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

That makes sense

Joe picked up some cred in that area by honoring Barch’s request to get traded for more playing time.

I do hope he finds a good trading situation where he’s going to have to take a risk in order to get the reward.I trust him enough to do the due dilligence to minimize the risk and achieve the reward.

by Jeff D on Jan 6, 2012 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah. I was just being a debbie down above, because it seems like people are chomping at the bit with the ducks looking to deal.

Odds are, the asking price on any high profile player is just going to be too high for us to make a deal. Besides, just because Weber or Suter is traded, it doesn’t mean they will re-sign with their new team.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 6, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

That's the brilliance of Joe

He’s willing to work hard to find those hidden diamonds. Giving up Neal last year, along with Nisky hurt, but he had the vision to know that Goligoski would be a major building block here for years. Most people will still say he got taken advantage of, but I think the Stars are better off in the long run having made the deal.

by Jeff D on Jan 6, 2012 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it worked out well for both teams.

Niskanen certainly wouldn’t have improved here. The change of scenery really did him good, apparently. And Neal looks like he finally quit hitting as many posts.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 6, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Because of these numbers that never translated

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=30633

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by Josh Lile on Jan 6, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

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