Weber In Tonight, Krys Barch Suspended For "Insensitive Remarks"
It's a newsy day in the NHL with several items demanding that you stop working and comment on a blog.
The first is that Shea Weber has been cleared to play after practicing the last two days with the Nashville Predators. Like Claude Giroux and the Flyers, he's their best player and they'll get a big emotional lift from his return. Also like Claude Giroux, he is returning purely by coincidence against these Dallas Stars.
The other big news is that former Dallas Star Krys Barch has been suspended one game for "insensitive remarks" allegedly made toward P.K. Subban of the Montreal Canadiens.
It has been confirmed by a couple of news outlets that Barch said something along the lines of "did you slip on a banana peel?" after Subban fell down in the aftermath of a scrum during a stoppage in play. Barch told the media, paraphrasing Colin Campbell: "If there was any question that this was racial, you'd be done five to 10 games, and (the decision) would be done the day after."
So here we have a situation where the league is saying "we agree it wasn't racial," and Krys feels he's exonerated to a certain extent, but they're suspending him anyway?
A banana peel is a sensitive issue on a hockey rink near a black player. Let's not pretend otherwise. Wayne Simmonds had a banana peel chucked in his direction during a preseason game in Ontario and that may have entered the official's mind upon hearing it. Barchy could have and should have chosen his words better, just to be safe.
It's still another mixed message from the league, who had no evidence other than the testimony of a linesman. Subban said he didn't hear anything. It's either racist, and worth MUCH more than one game, as Campbell allegedly indicated to Barch himself, or it's not and it's worth nothing.
The intent of Barch's words are debatable. Unfortunately for him the damage that will have been done to his reputation represents a much more enduring punishment...earned or not. I think most NHL players would tell you that "did you slip on a banana peel" wouldn't make a top 10 list of the most shocking things said in a game on any given night.
It will be interesting to see if the league makes a statement. The implication is that Barch was suspended for nearly being racist and flying too close to the proverbial sun.
After the jump... what would you give up for Rick Nash?
Yesterday the news hit Twitter that the Ducks would entertain offers for anyone on their roster not named Koivu or Selanne, in part because those two have no-movement clauses. This sparked speculation and fanboy trade scenario's unlikely to ever come true. It's entirely possible that it's merely a form of public flogging for Perry, Getzlaf and Ryan.
Today more speculation comes as Rick Nash answers a hypothetical about rebuilding and insinuates (if you twist his words as much as you can and squint really, really hard) that he would waive his no-movement clause if asked. You can read the verbiage here.
"The city of Columbus deserves a winner and deserves a good product on the ice. If it comes to that - like you said, all speculation - but if they don't want me here, they want to move me? I'm not going to do something where it's going to hurt the franchise just because I have that in my contract." [Blue Jackets Xtra]
That boy isn't going anywhere, but it has sparked trade talk galore out there on the interwebs.
What would you give up for Rick Nash if he were willing to come? In any of these scenarios Jamie Benn and Loui Eriksson would be front and center in a list of demands. Do those that believe the Stars need a big acquisition realize this and could they cope with it? Wouldn't the Stars be better off continuing to build with what they have?
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Barch being suspended...
Shows a definite oversensitivity, slipping on a banana peel has nothing to do with skin color. Cartoons have been depicting that for decades.
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But Wylie E. Coyote slipped on them all the time, and what color was he?
RACISM!!!!!
Seriously, they need to get over it. I can understand the issues with “bananas” themselves, but slipping on a banana peel is so freaking common, that should not have even crossed the mind of the ref.
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It would have been different
If Simmons had been offended, but it really doesn’t sound like Barch meant it in that way.
And yeah, throwing an actual banana or banana peel on to the ice shows that it was premeditated and that the fan obviously knew what it symbolized.
That all being said, 1 game to “send a message” may not be a big deal.
Did you mean Subban?
Batch didn’t say anything to Simmonds.
What the Puck?
by DirtyBrotenScoundrel on Jan 5, 2012 2:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
*Barch
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by DirtyBrotenScoundrel on Jan 5, 2012 2:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
They better not!
I can deal with losing pretty much anyone else on the team, assuming it was a fair deal, but not those two. I see them as the future core of the team, and think we’d do more harm than good to trade them no matter who came in return.
They're in the same class as Nash, and he makes a metric (&*( ton on his deal with a NTC.
If Nash is available…pass. Ask about Jeff Carter.
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no thanks
that ten year deal is terrible no matter which way you look at it.
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by heyitsthatguy! on Jan 5, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
No it isn't.
He’s making a little over 5 mil a year. By the time that deal is over, at the rate the salary cap is increasing, the deal will be an absolute steal.
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i like the positive outlook
but ten years is ten years. hes a good player and one i would love to have, and i can deal with paying him 5 mil, thats what ribs is making i think. but a deal that long is just asking for trouble, hes young now but he will start to drop off with at least a few years on that deal remaining. best to not handcuff yourself like that, i realize he’s young but by the time he declines you wont be able to move him because of how much youre paying him and because he would have lets say 3 more years left. so now youre stuck with him, you could always ship him to the islanders i guess but that contract was done little or no common sense.
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by heyitsthatguy! on Jan 5, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
The deal was done with a ton of common sense.
According to the same source, Carter will make between $6 million and $7 million each season from 2011-12 to 2017-18. In the final four years of the deal — 2018-19 to 2021-22 — Carter will make between $2 million and $5 million each season.
The final years of the deal will be even cheaper. When it ends he’ll be 36/37. I see virtually no downside.
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i do
you dont give contracts like that to guys like him. theres nothing wrong with jeff carter, he’s a good player, but you dont give good players 10 year deals, you give those to your franchise players and i dont believe he’s a franchise player. would i have given a 10 year deal to 26 year old mike modano? absolutely i would, but he’s a once in a generation player. but would i have given a 10 year deal to 26 year old ribs? nope! both carter and ribs are good players, i enjoy watching them, but they are not franchise players so i would never give them deals that numbers into double digits in years. i mean i like the guy, im not trying to crap on your idea here. i just dont believe he’s worth a deal like that, theres only a handful of guys in the league at any given time that are worth taking that long term risk and carter just isnt one of them.
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by heyitsthatguy! on Jan 5, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Were you in favor of the Stars resigning Brad Richards?
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actually no
not when i knew what kind of contract he was going to get. hes what 31 and got a 10 year deal, again terrible because youre stuck with him when he gets old. there were too many holes the team needed to fill and i believe joe did a good job taking that money and spreading it out. give me a roster with depth over richards and guys like barch and sutherby any day of the week. i like zach parise alot and think he might be a franchise guy, but i would seriously question a ten year deal with him if im joe. what im saying is carter is a good player that isnt worth the terms of his contract. its not his fault, if someone offered me guaranteed employment for 10 years i would take it too. but he’s not “the guy” maybe im too old school but you only give those mega contracts to your franchise player and thats not jeff carter.
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by heyitsthatguy! on Jan 5, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
Richards signed a 7 year deal at a much higher AAV.
Carter signed for 11 years at age 25.
Bring him to 31. That’s a 5 year 25 million dollar deal for a 35-40 goal scoring center in the middle of his prime vs 9 years and 58.5 that Richards got through the UFA market. Both deals are also cheaper near the end.
Carter and Richards are both among top 20 skaters in the league. Carter, relative to what a top UFA, is a MASSIVE bargain.
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i was licking my chops when i saw that 7
i still think richards 9 year deal is terrible, because you still have to deal with at age 38 when he’s giving you 25 to 30 points a year and not doing a damn thing on defense. i agree that carter is a good player, but hes not worth the terms of that deal. i think he peaked in 08-09 and wont hit that mark again. theres no question that he would be a damn good player here, but that contract is what kills it, because how long would you be saying that he was a bargain? at age 33 when he’s going downhill and getting injured is he still a bargain? i dont think so. bottom line, i believe if jeff carter were truly the bargain that youre saying he is, and were truly a great player, he would still be with philly.
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by heyitsthatguy! on Jan 5, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
At this point you can pretty reasonably put him lower in the lineup.
you still have to deal with at age 38 when he’s giving you 25 to 30 points a year
Also…
i believe if jeff carter were truly the bargain that youre saying he is, and were truly a great player, he would still be with philly.
This is a complete misrepresentation of the situation. His skill on the ice had nothing to do with his or Richards’ trades. He was and still is a fabulous bargain. They were dealt to shake the team up.
at age 33 when he’s going downhill and getting injured is he still a bargain?
What reason do you have to believe that Jeff Carter is just going to fall off a cliff at 33? He could, but what reason is there to believe he’s going to collapse? And, I’d like to point out that if he does, he doesn’t cripple you at that point. If it’s due to injury you LTIR him and save the cap space. If it’s due to poor performance his salary is such that, with the cap increases that will continue to come, you can easily work around it.
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ok but youre so set on the cap increasing
thats not a gurantee, look at what the nba went through with the lockout. a recession and giving bad contracts to players that were not even close to the value of their contracts. i know the nhl is a different animal but giving bad contracts is just plain bad business. now if you can waive him when his performance drops off and not have to pay another cent then im all for it. but i think its better to give yourself more flexibility and more bargaining power. if carter is 33 and his contract is up and you want to bring him back, who has more power in the negotiations? you do because hes past his prime and is declining or is on the verge of doing so. and if he isnt the same player or is a problem in the locker room you can let him walk without any blowback. ive always thought it was much better to let a guy go a year too soon than a year too late, that contract is in direct conflict with that belief.
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by heyitsthatguy! on Jan 5, 2012 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
But, it isn't a bad contract.
It’s just 5 mil a year AAV.
I’m not arguing that a 10 year contract is better than a 7 year contract. I’m saying the player in question is of a high enough caliber to be worth 5 mil when he’s at least 33.
And the cap is just about guaranteed to continue to rise unless they dramatically rework the system. It’s already doubled in value since it was instituted. If they dramatically alter the cap they will undoubtedly work out an amnesty situation.
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By the way
has anyone ever really slipped on a banana peel?
What’s the origin of that? Some silent 1920’s movie or a cartoon or something?
Yeah, 1920s sounds right.
Mythbusters actually tackled that one. It took a basketball court covered in them, and them racing around obstacles for them to really slip.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
hey a banana peel killed the entire odoyle family, show some respect.
odoyle rules!!!
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by heyitsthatguy! on Jan 5, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard.
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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GNIBB HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!!!
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by heyitsthatguy! on Jan 5, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
On a BASKETBALL court!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How racist is that???
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See how easy it is to be a racist these days?
Getzlaf for Ryder and a 2nd rounder is as far as I'm willing to go. I'd go first rounder if we get a little something back.
Having another center would be great, and we could shift Benn back to wing, but Getzlaf hasn’t broken 25 goals in his career.
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Ah but
he has broken 90 points. And Richards never scored more than 28, so Getzlaf’s ‘pass first’ mentality wouldn’t bother me too much. Especially with Benn’s nose for the net.
But honestly, I like keeping Benn in the middle because he has a greater impact in all three zones. And when he’s on, he can be the best player on the ice. That being the case, I think I’d like another scoring winger over a center - but NOT Corey Perry because I detest him thoroughly. Guess Ryan will have to change his number ;)
I agree on Perry.
Can’t stand him and don’t want him on my team.
But that’s just me.
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Getzlaf is an elite center who hasn’t even entered his prime yet. He’s going to cost. A lot.
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So Ryder and a first isn't enough for you?
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Throw in Niskanen and you've got a deal... ... ...oh wait. Crap!
Throw in Woywitka and you’ve got a deal… … …Dang it!
Throw in Pardy and you’ve got a deal… … …yeah, that works.
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I doubt Ryder has very much value.
Getzlaf will cost a premium pick (Stars 1st is iffy, and with Getzlaf in tow not premium) + some significant young talent. Ryder doesn’t fit the bill.
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So...
Simmonds using a derogatory term towards homosexuals is not suspension-worthy because they didn’t have enough evidence, but not having enough evidence doesn’t stop them from suspending Barch for one game? Over banana peels? Nice work, NHL.
My thoughts exactly.
We shouldn’t tolerate racism, sexism, or homophobia but we also need to keep punishment centered on facts and evidence. Surely there’s enough overt bigotry out there that we don’t need to be quite so overly sensitive.
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by DirtyBrotenScoundrel on Jan 5, 2012 2:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
two cents
The thing with the Barch comment is that there’s just a handful of black players in this league so incidents like the relatively harmless one with Barch gets under the microscope. If this was any other league it wouldn’t be a problem, but the NHL is still growing and handled it fine. As for the Nash trade, well if we had to lose Loui and Jamie it’s not worth it. We have a new owner who has given Joe the green light to spend, I’d rather wait for free agency and land a Parise without losing our studs. If the Jackets were interested in Jack Campbell, Larsson, and a first rounder I might stamp that deal with approval. If any team gets Nash you know it will be the Leafs anyway.
Campbell is worth almost 0 in a trade.
It would take a lot more than larsen and a first rounder to get Nash.
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He'd be worth something to teams other than the Blue Jackets
Steve Mason is in his 4th year of starting and is only 23 years old. Unless he demands a trade, he’ll be in Columbus for at least 5 more years.
Goalie prospects are pretty high risk. They won't bring you much in any trade.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Goalies in general don't bring much, and they shouldn't.
Which is a big reason why I was against picking Campbell. They’ve very volatile and, outside of the truly elite, vary wildly performance-wise on a year to year basis.
You could get something for Campbell, but not the big haul some are suggesting. I don’t think he’d be the center piece in a deal for someone like Nash/Getzlaf, for instance.
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Not even close.
The value we would get for trading him would not be worth seeing if he can pan out to be the elite goaltender that Joe thinks he can be.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Campbell is the biggest name we have that isn't playing in the NHL
I don’t think Columbus or any team would trade away a star player to get him specifically, but he does increase the value of any trade. All goalies are high risk. Look at what is going on in Philly. NHL network was talking earlier today about the Flyers making a huge mistake with the money they gave Mr. Universe. It’s all about where the GM feels comfortable taking that risk.
They did make a mistake, but they should have known better.
People in the statistical world unanimously flagged Bryz as a red flag signing before anyone had a clue what type of deal he’d end up getting.
As far as Campbell goes, his name (and any images/ideas it inspires) is great and all, but he’s still a goalie. They don’t bring much value back in trades. The only one I can think of that did was Luongo, but he was young/established as an upper tier NHL goalie.
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i like rick nash alot as a player
but i wonder if he may be damaged goods, playing in an environment as bad as columbus may have hurt his development. i would love to have him here but i wouldnt sell the farm for him, i think he’s a good player but i wonder if he’s really great. i think he may never reach his full potential because of the crap team that drafted him and wasted the last several years of his career. i think when a player is put in a place like that for an extended period of time things can happen, they can stop working and really trying to become great, or worse they can lose their passion for the game entirely. i worry that if it hasnt happened already to him it will if he continues to stay there.
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a 35 goal scorer is pretty good to me....
I’d give up a few items to get him.
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If you trade the farm for Nash you better win a cup with him here...
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The Stars don't have a good farm system.
The only guy I wouldn’t deal is Oleksiak. I probably don’t move Reilly Smith or Austin Smith out of principle because they’ll be devalued due to their size instead of valued for their production.
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Picks and prospects maybe
But I’m not sure I’d be willing to part with anyone who would be close in “value” to Nash.
No way to Loui or Jamie. Good goalies are getting a little easier to find, so I’d consider Kari for the right package. He’s been outstanding most of the time, but if you make the team better in THEORY you don’t need him quite as much.
That being said, I think they’ll have to steal someone to be worth it.
Well, you can't trade Ribs or Morrow (NTCs) Can't trade Benn or Loui (Future), Can't trade Ott (Cuz he's Ott).
That leaves Ryder as the only “big” piece to trade.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
I think Shanahan
might have slipped on a banana peel making this decision.
I would not trade for Rick Nash. I would trade for Jeff Carter. But I would not trade for Rick Nash.
Campbell made this decision.
Shanahan is in charge of player safety.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
"Shanahan is in charge of player safety"
Well then you’d think he’d be concerned about players slipping on banana peels.
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by DonDrapersOPS on Jan 5, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
That's it... shut down the internet.
We have a winner.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
So Barch is suspended for not thinking racist thoughts enough to stop him from saying something that might be mildly misconstrued as a racist remark.
Sure, that makes sense. This is the problem with political correctness. Maybe if the official wasn’t so preoccupied with race he wouldn’t have assumed that Barch was making a racist comment. Why is the assumption of racism okay? Guilty until proven innocent I guess?
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Nash, Getzlaf, Perry, & Ryan
Aren’t going anywhere. Motivation ploy by the Ducks. Not sure why the Nash issue even came up.
Can’t see Joe trading for anyone either. Free agency is where this team will spend – modestly.
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But if it doesn't properly motivate the team
I suspect it could be more than that. Smart move, assuming it doesn’t backfire, which it easily could.
The Nash thing came up because bloggers choose to read his comments as “I’m considering leaving” instead of “I’m open to it if they think I’m the problem”.
Nash issue came up because Nash said he's be willing to waive it if the club wants.
He’s essentially given them permission to shop him around to see if the price is right. If he does get traded, it will be for a ransom.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
You have permission to shop me around = I wouldn't mind playing for a winner
Smart guy.
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If we will only waive for a winning team
which is understandable, then our 10th place, lose every other game team would likely not be high on his list.
No but having a new owner in place and things looking brighter certainly makes a difference.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
A ransom eh?
Start the Nash to Los Angeles rumors now. He’ll bring back a King’s ransom.
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by DirtyBrotenScoundrel on Jan 5, 2012 2:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
To tell the truth.
I have no idea what Joe might be doing next. But since I like Goose, I have no problem waiting.
These rumors are fun, but that’s it.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
Has Anybody Watched Shanahans Recent Videos?
He comes right out and says they take the injury to the player into consideration. Out of all the things he is doing right, I think this is definately a big wrong.
It depends on the situation
For me, I think that if the hit was accidental, injury should not factor into the equation. For example, I still think Fistric’s hit on Niederriter was a clean hit. But Nino got a concussion and so Fistric got suspended. Without the injury, it would have been a non-call. However, if you clearly take a run at someone and try to injure them, ala Dan Carcillo, then any injury is your fault and thus, you should be penalized.
As it is now, however, if you hit a guy and he loses a skate and falls down, resulting in a concussion, you’re getting suspended. That is where Shanny’s screwing up. He’s better than Campbell, but I’m starting to lose faith in him.
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by Virginian Star on Jan 5, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
It's not hard to predict joes next move
It’s clearly going to either be a top 6 fwd or a stellar dman. That way we could have
Robi-Souray
Goose-Larsen
Daley-New Guy
That way we can swap grossman in for whoever and we have 7 strong d without worrying how pardy and fistric are gonna do
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