Dallas Stars Daily Links: Anaheim Ducks Threaten To Break Up Core

by Erin Bolen on Jan 5, 2012 6:01 AM CST in Dallas Stars Daily Links

Anaheim Ducks general manager Bob Murray is not a happy man.

The Pacific Division rivals of the Dallas Stars have been in a free fall practically since the season started and are in a race with the woeful Columbus Blue Jackets for worst team in the NHL at the moment.

So during Wednesday's game against the San Jose Sharks, Murray let the media know that essentially his entire team is up for bid.

There were a few caveats to that announcement. First, veterans Teemu Selanne and Saku Koivu are not among those available, and Murray also said he was not looking to dump key players like Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry for picks and prospects.

"And the rest of the players in that locker room, I thought they'd figure out when we changed coaches that time was running, the clock was running quickly here. And I don't care who you talked about," Murray said, referring to his dismissal of Coach Randy Carlyle on Nov. 30 and hiring of former Washington Capitals coach Bruce Boudreau.

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"I still believe we have some core players. Now, whether we have to change a few core players, so be it. They're deciding who's staying and who's not staying at this point."

So, is this an actual for sale sign being placed on the Ducks players, or is it simply a cunning and public way to try and get Getzlaf, Perry and Bobby Ryan to start leading the team out of the cellar? And what would you give up for one of those three to come to Dallas?

After the jump, more on the Stars game tonight against the Nashville Predators, a sad update on a Minnesota high school hockey player and a must-watch historic hockey video.

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The big secondary story out of Tuesday's loss to the Detroit Red Wings appears to be new owner Tom Gaglardi, who talks with Mike Heika in this paywalled story. [DallasNews.com]
A quick update on the health of Philip Larsen, who is still out with concussion-like symptoms. A general rule of thumb is that a player without a significant concussion history is supposed to be out a week from the time he stops experiencing symptoms, so take that information with you. [ESPN Dallas]
I usually really like Rick Gosselin's stuff, so even though the non-paywalled part of this column doesn't hint at what his view on the Stars is (though the headline does), I can still recommend it. [DallasNews.com]
I know you all probably have Jordie Benn overkill by this point, but this was a very nice article on his NHL debut from his hometown newspaper, which has some fun anecdotes. Also, I learned that the Benn father, Randy, was a standout softball player in his day. [Victoria Times Colonist]
I don't care when this Adam Burish interview with Jordie and Jamie Benn is supposed to air, I want it now. [StarsPR Twitter]
Former Stars coach Ken Hitchcock, hired by the St. Louis Blues two months ago, is now the longest tenured coach of a major sports team in that city. Nice. [St. Louis Post-Dispatch]
For those of you who have been following the story of Jack Jablonski, the teenager who was paralyzed in a hockey game in Minnesota, there was a sad update Wednesday. He underwent spinal fusion surgery, and his parents have confirmed he is not expected to be able to walk again. [St. Paul Pioneer Press]
Meet the enemy, part the first: This post is designed for Tennessee Titans fans who may be turning their attention to the Predators now that the NFL playoffs are out of reach (cue Dallas Cowboys joke... now). But I like it as a general primer on the Preds for anyone. [On The Forecheck]
Meet the enemy, part the second: Like we had in the links yesterday, Preds defenseman Shea Weber is skating but highly unlikely to play tonight as he recovers from a concussion suffered during a Mark Fistric check. This article reaffirms that, and it also mentions the Preds are looking to open long-term contract negotiations with him soon. [The Fourth Period]
Around the Pacific Division: Part of the reason Murray was a very unhappy man Wednesday was that his Ducks were in the midst of a 3-1 loss to the San Jose Sharks. [San Jose Mercury News]
Some Montreal Canadiens fan brought a very unique item to their team's game against the Winnipeg Jets, tossing it on the ice when Lars Eller scored his third goal of the evening. I just... I don't even know, you guys. [Puck Daddy]
I know, I know, I should give you Stars interviews. But you really should watch this newsreel from 1948 about hockey in Montreal. It includes clips about the Canadiens, obviously, but also shows a great look at just how different the padding was at the time and some fun clips of outdoor youth and "tomboys" games Here is an older post from our friends at Habs Eyes on the Prize that explains a lot of things from the video.

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In before someone wants to trade prospects/picks for Ryan

by can we get hatcher back on Jan 5, 2012 7:06 AM CST via mobile reply actions

And there’s really nothing of interest of in the two paywall stories just that Gaglardi isn’t planning on being a Jerry or Cuban

by can we get hatcher back on Jan 5, 2012 7:19 AM CST via mobile reply actions

Can they trade the GM?

They have an ancient second line, mediocre/young defense, and virtually no secondary scoring. Blame the guy that put the shallow roster together, not the 25 year old core. Really? You’re threatening to break up a core of Getzlaf/Perry/Ryan? Please do.

It sure would be nice to be able to get a guy like Getzlaf. If only it were realistic.

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by Josh Lile on Jan 5, 2012 7:39 AM CST reply actions

move the young and keep the old

Formula for success right there lol

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by jordan.saleh on Jan 5, 2012 7:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

Do we have another Janne Niinimaa

That we can trade for Getzlaf?

Carpe diem!

by dmoore44 on Jan 5, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions

the greatest defenseman of all time?

Unfortunately, no. Our second Niinimaa is playing for the Rangers now.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 5, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions

D'oh...

What dummy let that guy go?

Carpe diem!

by dmoore44 on Jan 5, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions

He isn't even 20 years old

If they’re dumb enough to give up on him I’d take him in a heart beat.

by Josh Lile on Jan 5, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions

what would you give up?

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by Tsudbury on Jan 5, 2012 9:30 AM CST up reply actions

Lehtonen and our 1st, for Ryan, Fowler, their 1st round pick

Rediculously favoured for us but I like outlandish thoughts, no way I would ever want to trade Lehtonen however!

Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?

by Great British Stars Fan on Jan 5, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions

well sort of favoured, if they bum fail we get a chance at nail or a top centre but lose our elite goalie

Hmm, okay i was wrong on it being so favoured

Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?

by Great British Stars Fan on Jan 5, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions

Two problems.

There is no way the Ducks would do that, and they have Hiller in net.

I don’t think theres a match, but I’d like to have him.

by Josh Lile on Jan 5, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions

Yeah originally I put hiller to come our way

Hmmm yeah, it sucks!

Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?

by Great British Stars Fan on Jan 5, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions

It wouldn't make sense for the Ducks to give up on Hiller.

He’s been just as good, if not better, than Lehtonen in his career before this season. I can’t imagine they’d have any use for Lehtonen in a deal, or a desire to trade Hiller.

by Josh Lile on Jan 5, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions

Is he really what we need? Fowler has impressed me in the last two years.

I remember a top flight first round Dman we spent a few years waiting to show the NHL his skills; then we sent him and a bag o pucks with Neal to the Pens for Goligoski

by HockeyRulez on Jan 5, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions

should have been "has not impressed me"

by HockeyRulez on Jan 5, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions

Fowler has been 20 years old for a month.

A 40 point season from a 18/19 year old rookie defenseman last year is pretty impressive to me. He’s on pace for about the same this year while still learning the NHL.

Niskanen was NEVER regarded the same way Fowler was at the time. Fowler was considered a top 5-8 pick before people began getting concerns over how he would hold up due to his size. Niskanen had 35 points once, when he was 22. Fowler topped that as a rookie.

by Josh Lile on Jan 5, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions

boasting a -19 and -25 in his first two seasons of NHL play, nahhhhh....

by HockeyRulez on Jan 5, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions

+/- has virtually nothing to do with his abilities to play hockey

by Josh Lile on Jan 5, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions

Is there anyone on the Ducks team who doesn't have a severe +/- at this point?

They’re pretty bad.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 5, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions

They're terrible.

And when you’re terrible you’re forced to play people in less than ideal conditions.

He’s also playing with Visnovsky, and they’re getting 50/50 offensive vs defensive zone time. That’s a recipe for disaster.

by Josh Lile on Jan 5, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions

I'll take either Perry, Ryan or Getzlaff, thanks.

As long as we’re not sending Loui or Benn. They’re untouchable in my book.

And OMG about the item tossed on the ice in Montreal for Eller’s hat trick.

by cms1171 on Jan 5, 2012 9:34 AM CST reply actions

I think you can add Lehtonen to the untouchable list as well.

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by T-rom on Jan 5, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions

I hope not.

Lehtonen is good, but I see no reason why he should be untouchable.

by Josh Lile on Jan 5, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions

Because we wouldn't have a reliable #1 at that point...

Bachman needs to adjust… Raycroft is what he is… Besko hasn’t seen any NHL time… Campbell is a ways off yet…

And using the Islanders, Lightning, and Blue Jackets as extreme examples – goaltending can lose games.

Carpe diem!

by dmoore44 on Jan 5, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions

I didn't mean to imply that I'd look to trade him.

Untouchable is a strong label though. “Hard to move”? Sure. Untouchable? No way.

by Josh Lile on Jan 5, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions

Agreed.

You’ll have to forgive me – I’ve been under the weather the past few days, so my ability to pick up on subtleties hasn’t been at its strongest.

Carpe diem!

by dmoore44 on Jan 5, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions

Pardy, Glennie, Klingberg

Bag of Pucks
Getzlaf

No?

Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?

by Great British Stars Fan on Jan 5, 2012 9:52 AM CST reply actions

There's no way that would happen.

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by T-rom on Jan 5, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions

While I'd love to engage in this conversation

this isn’t a fire-sale or rebuild for the Ducks.

They aren’t looking for picks, they’re not trying to rebuild. This is the GM firing a shot across the bow saying NONE OF YOU ARE SAFE. INCLUDING YOU, GETZLAF/PERRY/RYAN.

if he moves someone, it will be piece for piece.

The ONLY trade conversation i’ll engage shall be the Rick Nash Trade Speculation Convention 2012. The team stinks. They usually stink. They haven’t not stunk in years. He’s the only bright spot on that team and it’s time to let him go and rebuild. So, Columbus, do the league a favor and trade Rick Nash to Dallas for picks and all our minor leaguers. that is all.

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by graylikethecolor on Jan 5, 2012 9:59 AM CST reply actions

no sooner had i hit POST

and this link comes up on twitter:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Nash-would-waive-no-move-clause-should-Columbus?urn=nhl-wp21656&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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by graylikethecolor on Jan 5, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions

Now THAT would be interesting.

Not saying that Nash hasn’t driven a dagger in our hearts for years, but wouldn’t it be sweet justice for a 27 proven stud at the LW to come to Dallas and do the same for us? Hmmm, and signed until 2018 @ 7.8MM/year. That is a lot of cash, but he is one of the top guys in the league. hmmm, indeed.

by HockeyRulez on Jan 5, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions

Nash is committed to Columbus

i wish we could see him in a Stars sweater, but…

what’s the price tag? I’m afraid I’d have sticker shock.

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by graylikethecolor on Jan 5, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions

also

this is the hardest conversation for Stars fans to have and the reason we’re not all GM’s:

we never want to give something to get something. Just like last season’s Neal trade. I don’t think any Stars fan would have the balls to pull that trigger.

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by graylikethecolor on Jan 5, 2012 10:06 AM CST reply actions

Honestly, we're not going to do anything.

Keep calm and carry on.

Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?

by Great British Stars Fan on Jan 5, 2012 10:07 AM CST reply actions

I agree.

I don’t think we are willing to trade any of the players that they would want in return. We just don’t have the spare talent to trade for any of the Nash/Getzlaf etc lot.

by Huw Wales on Jan 5, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions

Weber is going to be out of reach, but maybe Suter. Maybe an old winger for Ellis?

I just don’t see us getting Weber, unless at the trade deadline we had a chance to extend him and swap offensive firepower for him. We don’t have a lot of Top 6 guys to pick from. I am thinking that is a no go. Weber would be a great pick up if we wanted the new owner to start putting a ton of cash on the table for a guy that can play another 10 years. OK, I can hope for Weber, but Suter or Ellis would be easier to see happening. Love the Neal trade, Pitt got what they wanted and so did we. Win-Win trades are usually bittersweet, but I am very happy with Goligoski!

by HockeyRulez on Jan 5, 2012 10:15 AM CST reply actions

Suter just signed an extension.

I can’t imagine they’d trade Ryan Ellis.

by Josh Lile on Jan 5, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions

Suter has not signed....

I was pretty sure of it, and checked several sources, cannot find any evidence of an extension.

by brendan1 on Jan 5, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions

They've been working on it. It just hasn't led to a deal yet.

I remember several quotes mentioning a 6.5-7+ salary. So, he might as well be extended because theres no reason whatsoever to trade for him.

by Josh Lile on Jan 5, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions

Suter would be cool.

I hope that Goligoski will have a good pair next season. Time with Fistric/Pardy should be done.

Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.

by Henri Muroke on Jan 5, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions

Am I the only one who is shocked by our salaries for Dmen?

I just glanced at it, Grossman, Souray, and Goligoski all make significantly less than Daley. Say what? AND he gets a $1MM raise next year? Joe, please address this situation at your earliest convenience…

by HockeyRulez on Jan 5, 2012 10:33 AM CST reply actions

Grossman doesn't deserve it

Souray was a 1 year reclamation project, Goose was under that contract before hand. All of those salaries are appropriately valued, considering the time they were signed.

Daley’s is a good value for his level of skill.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 5, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions

perspective shock was all

I looked at the list and immediately thought, wow, we need to sign Goose for a long contract and start thinking about some long term deals for a core of dmen in the future.

by HockeyRulez on Jan 5, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions

I think you're being a touch short-sighted there.

In your assertion that Grossman doesn’t deserve it. He’s played less than what we’re used to seeing this year, yes, but he’s had several solid years of strong defensive play. You have to look at the entire body of work when dealing with valuation, not just recent performance, as well as trajectory and expectations for the future.

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by Taylor Baird on Jan 5, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions

Oh i'm not saying he's terrible...

I’m just saying I don’t think he deserves a contract worth more than Daley’s at this point.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 5, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions

I have liked Grossman in the past and think he is a solid dman for us long term.

Wasn’t Souray making about $4MM in Edmonton? I think if he keeps proving himself, we need to see if we can wrap him up for a few years.

by HockeyRulez on Jan 5, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions

He's a good big guy, but I don't know if Souray is worth $4m.

I’d sign him for a couple million though. Once everyone realized he still had his shot, and learned to pressure him, he became a lot less effective offensively.

He’s still a great big guy to have on defense, and I love him there, but he commits a ton of penalties too.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 5, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions

Definitely not worth $4m...

But somewhere in the $2m range.

As to your point about being able to neutralize Souray’s offensive abilities through pressure… the coaching staff needs to reconsider how best to use Souray’s cannon. I think I heard it the other night during the DAL/BOS game – the PP is more effective when they move the puck instead of just trying to feed it back to Souray for the point shot. The lesson being that teams will pick up on the obvious… so it’s time to employ a little more strategy.

Carpe diem!

by dmoore44 on Jan 5, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions

Thats a point I brought up.

When they were REALLY scuffling on the powerplay they would all sit back and do everything they could to get the puck to Souray for a shot while standing still.

It’s fine if you get him the puck for a shot, but if you’re stationary you’re screwed.

by Josh Lile on Jan 5, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions

And it's true...

It needs to be repeated over and over again. The players need to have it beaten in to them – if the opportunity to feed it back to Souray presents itself, take the opportunity. If not, continue to move the puck and pull the opposition out of position.

Carpe diem!

by dmoore44 on Jan 5, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions

If he would stay for 2mil.

Hell yeah. One or two years would be okay.
One would be better for Stars, but I think that Souray is looking for more.

Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.

by Henri Muroke on Jan 5, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions

Honestly, Daley is a bargain

Not sure why there’s still so much hating on him. Several of our D men are bargains. Fans DO know that salaries have gone up again, right?

by jabudi on Jan 5, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions

Daley's been solid...

He played, what, 26+ min and had 3 points against Boston, arguably the best team in the league. No, he’s not gonna produce like that every night, but he plays good D, and can actually skate the puck out of our zone as well as pass, instead of just chip it up the wall and hope a forward gets it. Goose will get a raise this year, as I believe his contract runs out, and Souray was here almost purely on a “prove to me what you got” contract. There should no issues with Daley’s salary. When you compare Daley’s salary to players around the league with similar point production, two-way capability and ice time, Daley’s pretty much a bargain.

by PSyCo2012 on Jan 5, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions

Maybe, but I know Suter makes close to that same salary next year and I think he is a pretty solid Dman for the Preds

by HockeyRulez on Jan 5, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions

Suter is going to make 7 mil a year

by Josh Lile on Jan 5, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions

Agreed

Daley is certainly one of our more dynamic defensemen.

by MurrayW on Jan 5, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions

The good thing for us is that Goose has only had a solid year, not an outstanding one.

That will help a lot in locking him down long term for a cheaper price.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 5, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions

True.

That’s why it’s okay to him playing without 50 points per season, for now.

Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.

by Henri Muroke on Jan 5, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions

Grossman and Goose are both RFA this summer,

so they will be getting raises. Goose a substantial one. Souray is UFA this summer and that was all he could get to try and prove he still has it. Daley is wrapped up for years at that level.

by 1paniolo on Jan 5, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions

Isn't Grossman UFA?

If he isn’t, good.

Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.

by Henri Muroke on Jan 5, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions

I was thinking Grossman was UFA this year too.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 5, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions

Yes, Grossman is UFA

at least per Capgeek.

by cms1171 on Jan 5, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions

The only Ducks I'd be interested in

Are Getzlaf and Cogliano. Getzlaf for obvious reasons, package a top six winger who isn’t named Loui Eriksson with Glennie and a first would be my proposal, Cogliano with the off-chance that he’ll develop in to an offensive center or winger, going no higher than a second-rounder

by Hillbutton on Jan 5, 2012 12:16 PM CST reply actions

Glennie is worth diddly doo.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 5, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions

You'd be interested in Cogliano, but not Fowler or Ryan?

by Josh Lile on Jan 5, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions

We need centers.

The wings and defense are in an organizational log-jam, but we have no good centers not on the roster right now

by Hillbutton on Jan 5, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions

Burish/Benn Brothers Interview

I just wanted to comment on the Tweetpic of Burish with Jamie and Jordie… I’m betting it’s from an episode of "Stars Insider", which is shown on Tuesdays (5:30pm) and Thursdays (7:00am & 11:30am) on FoxSportsSouthwest. I think the ‘first run’ is shown on Thursday at 7 and then repeats at 11:30 and again on the following Tuesday, but I’m not 100% sure about that. So if you missed it today, you might catch it next week. Sometimes they’ll have all or part of an episode on Stars.nhl.com but not always.

by KellyM16 on Jan 5, 2012 1:52 PM CST reply actions