Dallas Stars Afternoon Discussion: What Are Your Expectations?
It feels as if it's been longer than just a week but the Dallas Stars finally return to the ice tomorrow night in Anaheim. They'll be doing so with a full roster of 23, as healthy as they've been since the start of the season and even have eight healthy defensemen on the current roster.
The Stars also sit in 10th place in the conference, likely to change after tonight's games. With just 34 games remaining this season, the Stars have limited amount of time in order to turn things around after a disappointing January. While 10th place sounds bad, the Stars are just three points out of 8th and eight points behind division-leading San Jose.
So, what are your expectations for the rest of the season? Do you expect the Stars to figure it out and make a legitimate push for the playoffs? Or do they succumb to the expectations of so many at the beginning of the season?
We've laid out our thoughts, how the Stars have some serious adjustments to make to have an actual chance at making the postseason. There's even the thought that while making the playoffs this season is important, throwing out the chance at improving for the future just to make the playoffs this year is not exactly the best idea.
So...what's your take?
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This is going to sound pessimistic, but...
I’m taking what I get. If we make it great, if not that’s OK too. Since the ownership wasn’t worked out until Nov. our hands were pretty tied and GM Joe did the best he could with the cuffs on. Next year is my personal make or break point.
I refuse to judge anything about the team until it’s had a full year uninterrupted** with the ability to get what they need not what can be afforded. If that doesn’t show some improvement then we’re in trouble. But so far, I see no reason why we can’t fight our way back once we don’t have to do it with both arms tied behind us.
- Looming CBA negotiations cause me some heartburn on this however.
+1
I feel very similar. Just hope that we can start infusing some good signings in summer an get this team off the floor of the league min…we need to start spending some coin an getting some more talent on this club. Or, we will always be looking on the outside looking in…
"Only the dead have seen the end of war" Plato
by k9mike on Jan 31, 2012 5:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
1+. Well said.
If they make it, I’m more that happy camper, if not… Well… We will see.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
I think it all depends on...
Our play and what moves, if any, we make in the coming weeks until Feb.27. That will determine the direction of this year, in my opinion. Joe has some tough decisions coming up soon, and I’ll be interested to see what he comes up with.
Also, many people say that we should hold on to everybody we currently have with no trades, and go for it all in FA this summer. I could accept this, but I think many ppl overlook and jump to the conclusion that we have enough money and we would be able to recruit the big guys (Parisa, Weber, Suter).
What do you guys think about that last part?
When you pull on that jersey, you represent yourself and your teammates. And the name on the front is a heck of alot more important than the one on the back! Get that through your head!
Sounds bad...
Part of me hopes we fall out of the race so Joe will make a move or two to help the talent restocking process. Morrow would fetch some very nice pieces that could help us for years to come.
Yeah, but....
I kinda feel the same way. If we fall out of contention in next few weeks, you have to look to moving vets like, Morrow, Robi, Grossman, Souray for some youth, but I just dont have any clue if we will even remotely be big players in FA…..and that uncertainty bothers me.
When you pull on that jersey, you represent yourself and your teammates. And the name on the front is a heck of alot more important than the one on the back! Get that through your head!
by Jacob Sampsell on Jan 31, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
I love practically everyone on this team
but with the people we have we aren’t going to have much hopes past maybe a first round playoff experience. we need a spak and depth of top talent. we’ve achieved our lower line depth now we need it in the top 6. I don’t think we can wait till FA if teams have player like parise and weber they are going to get what they can for them not let them walk for nothing unless they are close to extending them already. If we got parise I would sh!t my pants, but do we have enough to get him without draining our system? sadly I’ve come to the conclusion that unless joe pulls out a magical move we aren’t going to get that spark player anytime soon we dont have the player resources, we’ve just started to refill our prospect pool. but hey lets hope a parise or weber makes it to FA and we take a shot at them. only time will tell.
GET OFF NIEUWENDYK'S NUTS
Get better and compete
All I want from the team we have now is to work hard every night. I would like them to make a push for a spot in the play offs. I don’t care if they trade guys or pick up guys as long as more of the young guys are getting chances. Next year though is another story. Go Stars!
by Bubbachewie on Jan 31, 2012 6:46 PM CST via mobile reply actions
If we can play consistently.....
I see no reason why we can’t make the playoffs. We started strong and I can’t see why we can’t have another 11-3 run. Our team is completely healthy which is also another reason why. Let’s be optimistic and excited. Show our support and hope they give it their all every game the rest of the way. Were only 3 points out of 8th and we have 2 or 3 games in hand on everybody but the sharks. Let’s go STARS!!
by JQ$ on Jan 31, 2012 6:56 PM CST via mobile reply actions
honestly, now that the team is sold
I’m just going let the chips fall where they may. I love watching this team win or lose and whether they make the playoffs or not. I’m going one game at a time.
by DStarsFan on Jan 31, 2012 7:01 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Gaglardi is way too invisible
…and I don’t understand why. Ok, they lowered the ticket prices and…….and……nothing else. He has otherwise been non-existent.
He should have come charging in the door with a marketing plan, publicity, billboards, TV commercials…..SOMETHING to get this franchise off the floor and create some buzz. Opportunity missed… EPIC fail.
by jm583 on Jan 31, 2012 7:37 PM CST via mobile reply actions
An owner is an epic fail after 2 months?
Harsh, much?
How much
Time does a guy need to at least give a vibe that he’s going market a team, engage the fans and community, and re-energize a sagging franchise? That should have been launched day one. That’s what I mean by opportunity missed.
Do you live in Dallas?
Cause I’ve noticed more advertisements, at least in the airport.
We tried to tell everyone it wasn't going to be an overnight thing.
For one, the Stars had to completely rebuild the front office. Sales, marketing, you name it.
They’re also in the middle of the season. There’s only so much that can be done.
They are marketing the team much more aggressively than before. They have several promotional that have been fairly ambitious and successful. They cut ticket prices a significant amount.
I don’t know what else could have been done so far, in just two months.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 31, 2012 10:40 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I've heard a bunch of new radio and TV commercials...
Derek Holland did one on the radio that I heard for the first time today. It’s not all going to happen overnight. And Gaglardi isn’t really in charge of marketing and getting the “buzz” out there; that’s for the marketing director and Jim Lites.
Gaglardi’s obly real job is providing the dough. Anything else is just gravy. He’s a smart man, though, so I largely expect him to leave a majority of the personnel and marketing decisions to the folks hired to do it.
Slightly intriguing trade rumour
The possiblity of Grossman going to the Flyers was actually initially (to my knowledge) brought up by someone in the “What about Brayden Schenn” FanPost. However, it was more of a “who could we give them for Brayden?” context. Although now that I think about it, it may have been brought up in the article regarding how Gross fits on the Stars…I can’t recall. Either or, Pierre Lubrun just reported on TSN that the Flyers could actually be interested in Grossman. He didn’t suggest anyone going the other way; rather Gross was just mentioned on a list of defensemen the Flyers may be interested in, but it seems slightly more possible now coming from Lebrun.
That said, I wouldn’t exactly expect Schenn in return, but the Flyers do have some interesting peices so it’s intriguing to think about.
Yeah,
could get something pretty decent for him. I saw that they were interested in him 2-3 months ago.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 1, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
10th place is where I think we'll finish
and I’ve thought for a long time. Yes, it’s possible to sneak into that 8th spot, but pretty much everything has to fall our way for that to happen, and I don’t see that occurring. Like, for example, Minnesota is up on Nashville 3-0 right now. That’s sure not falling our way.
The Stars are a mediocre team and I think it’s a long shot for this roster to make the playoffs. I still believe moves need to be made. I think it’s a bad idea to just sit pat with what we have and ride a mediocre roster to a 10th place finish. I think that sends a bad message.
Do I honestly expect us to land Parise/Weber/Suter at the trade deadline? No. But I’ll be pretty disappointed if we just sit back and do nothing.
Well, it swung our way
Nashville scored 4 times in the 3rd, 3 in the final 3:30 of the game to win 5-4 and steal points from Minnesota.
We need to win tomorrow and get the 2nd half started right. We have plenty of games against the teams we are chasing and have a game in hand on just about everybody. It is on us to handle our business.
lol and this is exactly how things swing
back and forth!
Summertime UFAs
It’ll be hard to recruit top UFAs if we don’t have a team that can convince them that we will contend soon. Do you think Suter/Parise would want to come to a team that missed the playoffs yet again for the 4th time in 4 years with a roster that had little change? Tough sell.
We’re going to have to put a couple more key pieces onto the roster before we can recruit a big time UFA. For example, if we want Suter, we will have to clear roster space for him, something to the effect of letting Souray walk or trading away Grossman or Robidas and packaging a deal for a good top 6 winger. If we want Parise, we’ll have to have a center for him to play with and a upgrade our D but have a gaping hole at LW.
One concept is to package Morrow and Grossman/Robidas for a Dustin Byfuglien type of player. That would be a head turner that signals that we are shoring up the D, and creates a spot at LW for a Parise-type. Or we could trade Ribeiro + Morrow + pick for a Eric Staal-type player, which would give UFA top 6 wingers a huge reason to want to come to Dallas.
Just my thoughts.
Just my thoughts.
Why would they have to clear salary to sign a UFA?
And whether they make the playoffs or not, any UFA coming here has to know its a building process right now.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 31, 2012 10:44 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Not Cap Space
I didn’t say we need to clear up cap space. I simply implied roster space. Some of my moves would imply taking on more cap space.
For example, if we traded Morrow + Grossman for a $5-7 Dman, then we wouldn’t actually be getting cheaper. Theoretically, we’d be “upgrading” defensemen and clearing up a roster spot at the same time, which could look more attractive for LW Parise, who would then slide into Morrow’s spot.
Or we could package a combination (not necessarily all) of offensive prospect, a pick + Grossman + Ribeiro and try and upgrade the second line center position with a $6M-$7 centerman (Eric Staal-type). That way we upgrade centers and clear up a spot on the D for a Ryan Suter-type player. Just some suggestions on how to make Dallas more attractive to an upcoming star UFA.
Pilfer teams like Bluejackets and see how far you can go
Find some “rent a players” and go balls out to see how far the team can go. The whole point of this exercise is to give the young core guys like Benn and Larsen a chance to see how it feels to go deep into playoffs. It will give them valuable experience for the future when this team is truly positioned to compete for the cup.
I'm going to take a pillow case full of bars of soap and beat the shit out of you.
I would like to think we can get hot and sneak in,
but as this team is currently constructed I can’t see them making the playoffs. If things go right out of the gate then I would like to see Joe make an acquisition or two and go for it; otherwise if we are playing uninspired hockey sell off the assets for younger talent.
I think they have a shot to get in especially since they play all the teams right around them, except Colorado, but they also have Vancouver 4 times, SJ 4 times, Chicago twice and the rest of the schedule isn’t easy either. If they can win their games and get help they can easily get to 8th, but I wouldn’t be shocked seeing them finish around 10th or 11th.
by chris1989 on Jan 31, 2012 10:01 PM CST via mobile reply actions
We can make it, but things have to
break right. Keep healthy and get the pp going and I can see it.
Push for a month and evaluate where you are. If we are still in it be a buyer and get a few depth pieces. If not move some vets for prospects or picks and play the youth. Wait for UFA’s. Not a great UFA summer, but see whats there. Be reasonable and improve the team and move forward.
It’s been three years … but I have to remind myself that we are basically starting from scratch with new ownership and though I feel Joe has done a good job, the cupboards are sparse. If we can fill the holes and get it down to one or two pieces I would be happy.
If we miss the playoffs...
And there are complications with the CBA, it just feels like we’d be starting from square one all over again. Would we do anything in the playoffs? Probably not. But every year we miss the playoffs this team gets more and more irrelevant. It’s time to buck up and get in.
Come on EDMONTON, hang on to that 3rd period lead!!!
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by graylikethecolor on Jan 31, 2012 10:47 PM CST reply actions
a little over :90 left
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by graylikethecolor on Jan 31, 2012 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
YES!!! Oilers WIN!!! in regulation vs Colorado...
that helps!!!
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by graylikethecolor on Jan 31, 2012 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
Scoreboard watching
Oilers 3, Avalanche 2, Final
Predators 5, Wild 4, Final
Red Wings 3, Flames 1, Final
Ducks (ugh) 4, Coyotes 1, Final
Sharks up 6 to 0 on the BJ’s in the 3rd…. so no help there.
Lets go out and cook us up some duckies tomorrow!
I am at the point where
If things do not start turning around really quick you kind of have to start realizing this teams potential is not going to be in the Morrow/ Ribs/ Robi Era. I think using some of these guys as trade bait is the way to go.
I heard something about Morrow and the Canucks today, Cody Hodgson would be a great player to target. Use Souray to get some marginal draft pick. If things are not looking up with Grossman negotiations might as well get something for him, I am starting to doubt his legitimacy as a top 4 guy. This team has WAY to many No.4/5 dmen and maybe 1 legit top pairing guy(And I do not know if even Gogo is ideally a top pairing guy on true contender.)
I would rather get more good young players with potential to build around the core, and fill in some vets with 1 or 2 year deals in FA than keep trudging along with something that clearly is not working. That being said, maybe this team shows us something in the next couple weeks that they are finally healthy. And maybe you just sit and let things be and keep slowly building.
I want Cody Hodgeson
And guys with NTCs are more likely to waive to go to Vancouver because they are winning now. I don’t expect us to make the play offs or to make any blockbuster trades before the deadline but I’m fine with that as long as we battle hard every night
by ukstar on Feb 1, 2012 2:54 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Morrow
unfortunately isn’t going to get Hodgson, a future #1 center. All talk about Vancouver would be Mason Raymond + a pick and/or prospect.
By the way, I’m now leaning towards keeping Benn at center. I think that’s what the organization wants. Right now he’s a point per game power center. Are we going to find someone who fits that bill? Heck, maybe not in the next five years. I want to shore up center depth in the organization but a top six center isn’t a need for this or next season.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Feb 1, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
I would still love to see Benn back at forward
even more after watching his shooting excellence at the All-Star game. I think he would score more goals at the forward slot and his line would be one of the best in the NHL with a high end center.
But I also realize this isn’t going to happen, that Joe wants him at center. It’s also true that a top end center is a lot harder to find and a lot more expensive than a high scoring forward. But I keep hoping another Brad Richards deal comes our way.
I wasn't trying to say
Morrow alone would fetch Hodgson. You can add a dman, a pick, a prospect. There are ways to get a guy like that. Especially from anteam desperate for a cup
by brendan1 on Feb 1, 2012 12:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Expectations?
My expectation is the Stars will make the playoffs.
However, if they don’t make the playoffs but at least play with effort and determination, providing entertaining games then I’ll be happy with that.

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