Gameday Preview: Detroit Red Wings @ Dallas Stars (7:00pm CST)
by Brad Gardner on Jan 3, 2012 6:30 AM CST
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PrintThe Stars enter tonight's contest looking to put together consecutive wins for the first time since December 13th and 15th on the road in New York. Consistency has eluded them as injuries have piled up, and tonight will be no different with Stephane Robidas, Sheldon Souray and Philip Larsen all missing from the home team's blue line.
Consistency has been a battle all season long for the Stars, who sit just a point out of the Pacific Division lead. Since last meeting the Wings on November 12th the Stars have only two "win streaks" at two games (Nov. 21st and 23rd) and three games (on the five game Eastern road swing in mid December). Win-one/lose-one has been the name of the game otherwise, and the Stars enter play with just the 8th best points percentage in the West, flirting with the wrong side of the playoff picture.
They finished 2011 with a big win against defending champion Boston and will look to carry some momentum from that with them tonight as the Red Wings come to town. Dallas hung tough with Detroit at the Joe in November through two periods but a three-goal outburst sent the Stars home empty handed.
Standing in the Stars' way tonight will be Jimmy Howard and his 23-9-1 record with a .929 save percentage and a 1.93 GAA, but the Wings have been struggling of late on the road, winning just three of their last nine.
Please note the early start time of 7:00pm CST, and also note that the game is on NBC Sports Network (Versus) once again.
Much more on each team after the jump...
The Stars:
Dallas is still without it's top defensive pairing in Robidas and Souray, and now the duo that had been seeing first pairing minutes in their stead will be without rookie Philip Larsen, who has concussion-like symptoms courtesy of a Milan Lucic hit.
In their stead enter Jordie Benn and Brenden Dillon from the Texas Stars. It is expected that the older Benn will make his NHL debut. The Dillon call-up could be for insurance, though it is also possible that another body is banged up on the blue line. Only time will tell. They could choose to dress seven defensemen tonight if that is the case. The moves leave the Texas Stars without their top three defensive players and with only five defensemen under contract as of last night.
Pairs are expected to be these:
Grossman-Daley
Goligoski-Pardy
Fistric-Jordie Benn
The Stars' power play broke through Saturday with a two goal performance. Their last two goal power play performance was against Anaheim at home and it was followed by a four game scoreless streak. They'll look for consistency tonight. They've surrendered only five PP's to the opposition in the last two games, killing all of them. As usual, discipline will be key against Detroit.
Kari Lehtonen, of course, is expected to get the start in net. He's 1-1-0 since returning from injury and has stopped just 43 of 48 shots sent his way in that time (.896).
According to Stars PR, "If both Benns play on Tuesday night, they will be the sixth set of brothers in team history and the third in Dallas Stars history to play a game together. They will also be the 48th set of brothers in NHL history to play game on the same team."
The Red Wings:
The Wings are, rather uncharacteristically, just 1 of their last 19 on the power play having gone scoreless on the man advantage in six of their previous seven games. They enter the game with the league's #12 road power play at 17.8% and went scoreless against the Stars penalty kill in the team's only meeting thus far in November.
They have the 9th best penalty kill on the road at 85.1%. They're trending up having killed 25 of their last 29 over all. If the Stars are to find the same magic they had against Boston on Saturday they'll have to crack a pretty tough PK unit and goaltender.
Speaking of goaltenders, that's where many prefer to start when discussing the Detroit Red Wings these days. Expect Jimmy Howard in net. He started 13 of 15 for Detroit in December, leads the league in wins at 23, and already has four shutouts on the year.
He's 3-4-1 with a 2.37 GAA against Dallas in his young career.
Detroit has a 9-11-0 record away from the Joe this season. They've been to only one shootout all year long, and they have a conference best points percentage against the Pacific at 6-2-0 already.
The Detroit lineup as of late resembles something like this...
Franzen-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi
Filppula-Zetterberg-Hudler
Miller-Abdelkader-Cleary
Nyquist-Emmerton-Andersson
Lidstrom-White
Kronwall-Stuart
Ericsson-Commodore
Darren Helm, Patrick Eaves and Tomas Holmstrom are expected to miss tonight's game for the Wings.
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Not going to happen, but Filppula in Dallas.
As a Finn I’m a homer with this, but sure would look good.
Hope Stars will get two points and Goose – Daley will get two – or more – points.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
Probably
Honestly, the only way I (as the pretend-GM for the Red Wings) pull a deal that involves sending Filppula to Dallas is one that involves getting either Jamie Benn or Loui Eriksson back.
Obviously, Detroit would have to package additional value onto that deal to get either of those players, as they’re both more valuable than Filppula.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 3, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
Not a chance on God's green earth.
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
Benn or Eriksson?!?
Filpula is good but he’s not THAT good.
You’d need more to even consider the Stars trading away:
1. (Hopefully) Future Franchise Player
2. Selke caliber player who doesn’t get that recognition
For Filpula?! I wouldn’t even be interested in a 1st round pick as it’s likely to be in the 20s.
Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?
by Great British Stars Fan on Jan 3, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
as it’s likely to be in the 20s.
You spelled “guaranteed” wrong.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 3, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
Hahaha
Well that means you’re not winning the cup this year ;)
Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?
by Great British Stars Fan on Jan 3, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
well-played
If they do win it, I’m calling it the twenty-tenth pick.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 3, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
Hmm...
For Filppula?
With top minutes he could be even better, but yes. The price would be very high. And yes, too high.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
You probably picked the two players on our team that would absolutely never be a trade option.
For Filppula? No offense, but you are completely crazy. We would basically be blowing up our team for a barely 2nd line winger.
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No offense taken
Let’s be frank here. I’m a Wings fan who has absolutely zero interest in giving you guys a prospect that makes you better in the short-term that doesn’t make Detroit even better than that.
If we’re talking a trade between these soon-to-be conference rivals, we’re talking about Dallas being the sellers and Detroit being the buyers. The Red Wings are not trading one of their top-six forwards for future considerations. There’s going to have to be an NHL-Ready guy coming back this way. You can throw out every one of the Stars’ D-Men, as Detroit doesn’t particularly need help at that position. Looking at the forwards, who do you think the buyer is going to want from the seller? Mike Ribiero? Adam Burish? Who’s the crazy one again?
I’m not so dumb to think that the Red Wings aren’t going to have to add some sugar to the pot there. We don’t exactly have to delve into statistics to know that Filppula for either of those two isn’t an even trade (although it’s not exactly like Benn or Ericsson are worth both Filppula AND another true NHL-ready guy like…say… Jakub Kindl). But I have no idea what exactly your GM would take, considering what he gave up to get Alex Goligoski.
We would basically be blowing up our team for a barely 2nd line winger.
Filppula played as a center up until this year and still has the defensive instincts and playmaking skills to do well there. Potential need for a rebuild aside, the Stars aren’t exactly lighting it up in the Center position (as evidenced by the fact that this “barely 2nd line winger” has more points on the season than the Stars’ best center).
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 3, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
Lol
Ignoring the insanity that is the idea of trading Jamie Benn or Loui Eriksson for Filppula for a moment…
Filppula has less points than Benn, the Stars #1 center.
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Benn's a converted Winger
I was talking about Ribiero.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 3, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Right, and Benn is the Stars #1 center regardless.
What you said is that Filppula has 3 more points than the Stars second line center who was in an awful slump for most of the early part of the season while Filppula shot 20%.
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No,
What I said is that he has three more points than the Stars’ best center. We can dig around semantics all we want. Let’s just say that I’m going to consider Mike Ribiero to be that simply because Jamie Benn is the Stars’ best winger-who-has-been-moved-to-center and move on from pedantry.
Excuses aside for Ribiero (who is underperforming), the fact remains he’s behind Filppula (who is currently overperforming). The point that the Stars could use more help at the Center position remains.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 3, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Thus, the next logical step is to trade Loui Eriksson or Jamie Benn for a third line center.
Got it.
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I think we killed the part about this being logical in the rest of the discussion
But if you trade Benn, then Filppula would become your second-line center, wouldn’t he?
Keep fighting that good fight though, champ.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 3, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
I have no idea what this even means.
By default he would, but I don’t see what the point is?
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I had a feeling about that from the start.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 3, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Reading comprehension FAIL
“I’m not so dumb to think that the Red Wings aren’t going to have to add some sugar to the pot there. We don’t exactly have to delve into statistics to know that Filppula for either of those two isn’t an even trade”…
The point is
that any discussion whatsoever about having Benn or Eriksson going in any trade that involves Filppula, no matter what kind of “sugar” you add is a tad on the ridiculous side. The thought that Filppula along with some other player(s) (obviously not any higher than Filppula’s position on the team) would be enough to trade away one of our top two guys is bordering on laughable.
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
Oh, I read it.
But in your haste to point out some “reading fail” that you think I had with your gold award winning first comment on this blog you failed to tune your sarcasm detector.
The whole point was that comparing Filppula to the Stars “best” center is pointless unless you’re comparing him to Benn. Benn is the Stars best center.
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lol easy fella I didnt think it was that good…… O damn that was sarcasm wasnt it? there goes my “sarcasm detector” acting up.
It would be like us saying
We will give you Ott and someone else for Datsyuk.
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aw c'mon now
The better comparison would be Ribiero + value for Datsyuk.
The difference is that Datsyuk is worth Ribiero + Benn + a 1st and 2nd-rounder while Eriksson or Benn is worth Filppula + two AHL prospects (one very good one and another mid-level).
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 3, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
You're out of your mind
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Do you have anything of value to add to this?
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 3, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Is throwing out insane trade proposals adding any value?
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If you don’t want to play, then don’t play, but all you’ve done so far is insult.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 3, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
I haven't insulted anyone actually.
Over the past three years Datsyuk has been the same offensive player that both Ribeiro and Benn individually have been.
There’s no question Datsyuk is better/more valuable than Mike Ribeiro alone. 22 year old cost-controlled close to a point per game forwards are the most valuable commodity in hockey. There is no justification for moving Jamie Benn for Datsyuk alone, let alone with two premium picks and Mike Ribeiro. You aren’t operating in reality.
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I haven’t insulted anyone actually.
…
You’re out of your mind
Over the past three years Datsyuk has been the same offensive player that both Ribeiro and Benn individually have been.
Jamie Benn played in Kelowna three years ago, unless you want to compare his 41 points in 2009-10 to Datsyuk’s 70 (and Ribeiro’s 64-point pace over 80 games, which is what Datsyuk played).
Or maybe 2010-11 when the 82-game pace for Benn was 64, for Ribeiro it was 71 and for Datsyuk it was 86?
Or we could look at things so far this season, where Datsyuk is again outpacing both.
Then I notice you only said OFFENSIVE, because there’s no point in comparing either of those players to the Datsyuk defensively.
22-year old cost-controlled players are indeed incredibly valuable, but they’re not as valuable as perennial Hart/Selke contenders. Pavel Datsyuk is right now considered one of the three best all-around players in the game. Jamie Benn is a gamble to ever reach that and you say you wouldn’t even pull the trigger on a one-for one there?
Please.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 3, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
we can all agree datsyuk is one of the best players in the game
but to blatantly offer Ribeiro + Benn + whatever value for datsyuk is downright insulting. at best I would consider Ribeiro + a draft pick/nhl caliber player or Eriksson or Benn and a low draft pick. even that would be
by DStarsFan on Jan 3, 2012 11:56 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
pushing it
Damn Android app.
by DStarsFan on Jan 3, 2012 11:56 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
but we are talking for no reason here
because the stars will never trade Eriksson or Benn and the wings won’t trade datsyuk
by DStarsFan on Jan 3, 2012 11:58 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I never said Datsyuk isn't better.
Jamie Benn played in Kelowna three years ago, unless you want to compare his 41 points in 2009-10 to Datsyuk’s 70 (and Ribeiro’s 64-point pace over 80 games, which is what Datsyuk played).
You’re comparing a 20 year old rookie season from three years ago to an established veteran. Benn is also scoring at about the same pace as Datsyuk this season. The difference is miniscule.
Datsyuk is turning 34 next offseason. No one on the planet is trading a 23 year old (when Datsyuk hits 34) point per game forward for ANY 34 year old short of reincarnated Wayne Gretzky AND adding a 60-70 point center AND two premium picks.
Mike Richards and Jeff Carter are both not on Datsyuks level, but they’re significantly younger and signed to team friendly deals forever. They both went for significantly less than you think Datsyuk would go for. There is no logic there.
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We don't consider Benn a "gamble"
and I don’t know if many people around the league think that either. Datsyuk isn’t getting any younger but he is an elite player. Still I don’t know if I’d give up Benn for him one on one. Simply because we don’t have a huge chance to compete for the Cup this year. We’re looking long term and we need young guys like Benn to stick around. Datsyuk would be great but not a long term help
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You think Benn is a lock to accomplish what Datsyuk has accomplished?
nuh-uh
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 3, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Can I trade 23 year old Jamie Benn for 23 year old Pavel Datsyuk?
If so, you have a deal.
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You want trades that involve harvesting chronitons and I’m the one out of touch with reality?
Nice talking with you today.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 3, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Yes. You're completely out of touch with reality.
Otherwise I couldn’t care less what Datsyuk has done in his career. It has no bearing AT ALL on his trade value to me. I’m not getting 15 years of value from Datsyuk in a trade. I’m getting, maybe, 4-5 years of very good play.
So unless you can reverse Datsyuk’s aging cycle I don’t care if Benn ever becomes as good as Dastyuk. In 5 years when Jamie Benn is in the middle of the prime of whatever he’s going to become, enjoy raising Datsyuk’s jersey to the rafters.
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So then we're agreed that Benn for Datsyuk doesn't make sense for both clubs?
Whew, that took a long and winding road.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 3, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
You have a very one track mind
Benn may not accomplish ALL that Datsyuk has accomplished. However, I have little doubt that he is going to be an elite player in the league for many years. How many years does Datsyuk have left in him?
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The Wings are a contender
If they’re going to trade their best player, it won’t be for a guy who might do 80% of what Datsyuk has done. That’s not how (good) contenders trade with assets.
Trading Pavel Datsyuk for Jamie Benn right now would make the Red Wings a worse team this year on a gamble for future years. I know Dallas wouldn’t make the trade because they’re going to need the higher chance that Benn will be extremely productive for longer than Datsyuk will going forward from this year. Dallas is also building towards contender status. Detroit wouldn’t make the trade because it would make them worse in a year they have a reasonable expectation to make the Stanley Cup Finals.
Any considerations other than that is pure fantasy.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 3, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Any trade with Jamie Benn included begins only in the world of fantasy.
That’s what this whole convo has been about. Agreed though. It benefits neither of us and is therefore ludicrous to even speculate on.
…why are we still talking about this? :)
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Mostly?
Because it’s fun to argue. ;)
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 3, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
Fun to argue?
Are you kidding? No it’s not.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 3, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
Heh, perhaps a mistake to talk about Filppula,
But I never talked about a trade or “two” players that would have to be “traded”.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
I really don't know why I do it?
Why do I get sucked into trying to talk crazy people out of a ridiculous premise? For some reason I think I can reason with them. What I should be asking myself at the beginning of this is, “How do you reason with someone who’s base line thinking is that Eriksson or Benn for Filppula is a good starting point?” Or, to put it more simply, “How do you discuss a rational argument with a Red Wings fan?” I could have saved myself several paragraphs. I officially apologize to anyone who has read this entire thread.
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
Apparently my joke of arguing about whether it's fun to argue
was lost in the process….
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Ha ha ha
There was just too much truth to it for it to be taken as a joke. :D
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not quite sure how this post went completely nuts
and the fact that “wanting” fippula started it is beyond me. not even a trade idea or rumor.
by DStarsFan on Jan 3, 2012 2:39 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
How do you reason with someone who’s base line thinking is that Eriksson or Benn for Filppula is a good starting point?
That wasn’t the starting point. I think the entire problem is that there’s no way to actually mentally conceptualize what “+value” actually means, so in recap it gets simplified down to just “Benn for Filppula”, which is something that is very easy to call crazy.
I guess I should also apologize for speaking too conceptually. I could have thrown specific names of prospects out there or I could have specified Loui Eriksson instead of apparently pressing the logic reset button by saying either/or as though Benn and Eriksson are equal commodities so we wouldn’t have to keep running into this particular strawman.
My apologies for the confusion. Let’s start over:
Hi! If you want Valtteri Filppula from the Red Wings as a hypothetical discussion about how much you like Finnish players, I would suggest that something resembling fair value for each team would be that Detroit sends Filppula + Landon Ferraro+a 1st round pick to Dallas in return for Loui Eriksson.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 3, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
I think the reason... ... ...
… … …nope. Never mind.
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Cost would be very high.
But that’s just me. That’s why I said it would never happen. I like him as a player, but I wouldn’t want him if the trade would be an option. I would like him as a signing and he has a contract next season, yes? And when it’s done, I don’t think Detroit will let him test the “water”.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
It kind of depends
His current contract was arbitrator-awarded. Holland said that, for the time, it was an overpayment early to get a bargain later. If Filppula keeps it up in this, which is his perhaps-two-years-too-late breakout season, he’s going to earn some looks around the league, but I’d suspect the Wings will lock him up as somebody to help bring along their next batch of stars and to make up for the production drop-off that’s coming sooner rather than later for Datsyuk and Zetterberg.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 3, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
I'm with Josh on this...You are out of your mind.
I realize you want a good deal but you are grossly underestimating the value of Eriksson and Benn in this scenario. You would probably not be a good GM because you would never get a deal like this done. Besides I was demonstrating the point that it’s an absurd idea. However, Ott is the right choice. A third line center moved up to the 2nd line wing. Just like Filppulla. I know you think that your team is awesome and that even your 3rd line Center is worth one of our top guys along with a prospect but you’re just completely and utterly wrong in every single way possible. I’ve enjoyed the back and forth for sure but you’re way off on this.
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Stars
need a center only if the Stars don’t intend to keep Benn at center. They’ve wanted him to play center since he arrived on the scene. They are deep at the NHL level. No prospects though at C.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 3, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Part of my post got cut off...
“Benn is still the Stars best center regardless of Ribeiro” was a kind of important missing part, sbn.
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Understandable.
Yeah you’ve got that stat wrong. Benn is our 1st center, not Ribeiro. I think some of your points are well made which is why a trade like this is rather unlikely. It’s usually not very beneficial to talk about forwards trading for forwards and it coming out even. And we need a Center to be sure and Filppula helps us there but we need one in addition to the forwards we have not at the loss of one of our best players. It’s the whole one step forward two steps back thing. However, trades can be mutually beneficial. Like the Goligoski trade. Most of us still think that was a good move. We had a glut at that position with Neal and we needed a puck moving defenseman very badly. Neal was streaky at best and Niskanen was a liability at all times. He was so bad he might have been on the verge of being sent down. It was an even trade in the sense that we got a piece that we needed more than we needed another scoring winger. We also had Brad Richards at the time so offense was not one of our problems. We’re not even really in much of a position to trade any of our D-guys away either. The best kind of trade for us now would be an up and coming prospect or two like the glut of goalies we have in our stables to a team that needs to move someone because they’re out of it all together, or they have payroll considerations. Detroit is just not going to be our ideal trading partner.
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Agreed
It would be nice to steal Loui Eriksson, but you’re absolutely right in that there’s not really a trade between Detroit and Dallas that makes sense right now. If Dallas management does want to implode the team (which would be a mistake), then maybe, but it does seem that Dallas is more likely to be a deadline buyer than a seller, so they’ll need to work over the pickin’s of the bottom-feeders.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 3, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah there just isn't really anything to trade between the two
What we really need is a big time #1 centre, of course, Detroit’s just happens to be Datsyuk and kittens will be mauled by a Panda somewhere if he was ever to leave Motown.
But if we had Neal and Niskanen, I could see a trade.
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James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?
by Great British Stars Fan on Jan 3, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
I'd be willing to trade
Goligoski for a #1ish center.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 3, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
I think it might need more than Goose
and I love Goose, so, there’s that too
Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?
by Great British Stars Fan on Jan 3, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
Heh.
Next time when I dream about someone in Stars jersey.
I will keep it to myself. =)
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
by Henri Muroke on Jan 3, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
It’s been a good conversation. I’ve enjoyed it at least.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 3, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
Glad to give you some joy.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
by Henri Muroke on Jan 3, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Joe already tried to keep you on board when he picked up Kari.
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Heh, fair enough.
To tell the truth, I don’t need any Finns in this team or they are not a must…
They are cool to have when they are type like Lehtinen, Lehtonen, Filppula…
But then there are types like Antti Miettinen. =)
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
by Henri Muroke on Jan 3, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
NO HAGMAN?!?!?
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I liked Hagman when he was with the Stars.
But only because, he was a cheap one.
Now he gets too much money and is man with wooden hands, not good.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
by Henri Muroke on Jan 3, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Since the game is on NBC again I wonder if we get to hear about how good the Red Wings are for 3 periods.
"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."
I wouldn't bet against it.
Especially if the Stars let the Wings run all over them they way they let Philly.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
I knew that game was on NBC
But I kept getting the Philly feed.
Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?
by Great British Stars Fan on Jan 3, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
this made me lol
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
And if Dallas happens to jump on Detroit,
You know it will be because Detroit is uncharacteristically “off” more than it will be Dallas playing well.
He should fit in nicely.
During a critical game for a bye to the semi finals, several of Sweden’s most talented players were benched as the score got closer. Stars defense prospect John Klingberg was an obvious bench after being a primary source of two of the Russian goals as defense has never been his strong point.
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I think Henri has said before they Klingberg is still a long way off from making it.
There’s your proof lol.
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He is.
But if you fail with Jokerit, it doesn’t mean you suck. It is very hard place to play. If you find yourself there, you can do anything. Ask Tim Thomas.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
Thanks for bringing us down a little more
Defense has never been a strong point? Isn’t that a little like having a goalie who has never been known to stop shots?
Hey, I didn't write it.
I should’ve linked to Hockey Prospectus.
It’s not very encouraging to see defenseman that can’t play defense and 9 points in 56 professional games in Finland. Not exactly lighting up the charts.
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Strange as it is to say
this is a pretty different wings team then we are used to seeing. while I know most of the players playing tonight, this isn’t exactly your eye popping superstar studded team anymore minus datsyuk zetterberg and l
by DStarsFan on Jan 3, 2012 8:34 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Filppula and Franzen are pretty good too
"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."
And Bertuzzi, despite the fact that many people hate him.
I’d say that Howard is becoming an elite goaltender.
And as much as we love our third line here, the Wings have a third line that is right up there with them. It’ll be fun to watch those two lines tonight.
by WingnutInStarsCountry on Jan 3, 2012 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
yes but I wouldn't call them elite
by DStarsFan on Jan 3, 2012 9:45 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I would do unspeakable things for Johan Franzen to be on the Stars
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You almost drew me offsides.
They’re unspeakable, Brad.
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There's no question about that.
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regardless of the unspeakable things you would do
where would you put him? he’d be a good fit.
by DStarsFan on Jan 3, 2012 2:31 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Ideally?
Franzen Ribeiro and Morrow
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Or Franzen Ribeiro and Ott
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This whole thread is hilarious.
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by Great British Stars Fan on Jan 3, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
game day thread???
anyone?
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