Are The Dallas Stars Effectively Using Their Players?
Note: Perhaps we'll follow this up with a more in-depth statistical look at this issue, but I'm going to refrain from using advanced stats too much with this post. All statistics referenced can be found at behindthenet.ca.
Ever since Glen Gulutzan took over as head coach of the Dallas Stars, he preached a philosophical change from what we've seen in the past. The Stars would become a defense-first team, built from the goal out that would cut down on goals scored while still maintaining pressure up ice. He calls this system "pacey" and "hard to play against", not wanting the Stars to become trap team yet still wanting to maintain defensive discipline.
Considering the defensive issues of the Stars over the past seasons, the new focus on these issues was certainly welcome. He brought with him a new defensive approach as well, shifting from a "man coverage" scheme to one that is more zone-oriented and designed to provide a better transition game for the defensemen. The changes have helped in many ways, especially considering the issues the Stars had in past years in clearing the zone aren't nearly as prevalent this season.
With the departure of Brad Richards, and even with the addition of four new forwards, the Stars were also facing an uncertain future offensively. The Stars would need both Jamie Benn and Mike Ribeiro to provide a solid one-two combination up front for the Stars to have a shot at attempting to replace the offensive production that Richards provided -- especially on the power play.
Through the All-Star break this season, the Stars find themselves currently out of the playoff picture yet still very much alive. Compared to last season, the team is technically allowing more goals per game (2.79 vs. 2.76) -- something that's a bit frustrating considering the defensive changes. What's most frustrating, however, is how the offense has struggled, scoring just 2.56 goals per game -- with the power play falling from 18% to 13.6% this season.
What's the reason behind the drop in offense, something that has cost this team dearly over the course of the season so far? It's not just the Jamie Benn and Mike Ribeiro injuries, as the offense struggled at times with them healthy as well. Let's take a closer look at how the Stars are deploying their players and their lines this season, and perhaps we'll get closer to determining just what is frustrating us the most this season.
Glen Gulutzan came to Dallas with the plan of putting a team on the ice that could roll four lines effectively throughout any given game. He wanted a deep and balanced team that could wear down the opponents with a steady attack, not just relying on one high-offensive line for all of the Stars production. Given the fact the Stars were optimistically heading into this season deeper than before, it's understandable why this approach was met with high hopes.
Yet the Stars have never been able to find consistent and balanced offense. Most of the wins for the Stars this season have been reliant on the offense generated by Jamie Benn and Loui Eriksson. Mike Ribeiro and Brenden Morrow have both struggled offensively this season, and the Stars only recently seemed to find the right balance in line combinations between the top two lines.
The issue goes much deeper than line combinations, however. The Stars have been so focused on rolling three lines during a game that there is little to no strategy in exactly how those lines are deployed and it's resulted in some very inconsistent numbers and performances from players that have long been reliable offensively.
Let's take a look at Mike Ribeiro's stats this season and compare to last year. Ribeiro is on pace for just under 20 goals and around 60 points, not that far off his career average but certainly lower than hoped for with Richards departing. What stands out the most, however, is how Ribeiro is being used in a game and how it's hurting the Stars defensively.
| GP | TOI/60 | Corsi RelQoC | Corsi QoC | Corsi Rel | Corsi On | Corsi QoT | Off Zone Start | |
| 2010-11 | 82 | 14.56 | 0.800 | 0.817 | 3.4 | -2.41 | -4.109 | 53.3% |
| 2011-12 | 40 | 14.98 | 0.969 | 2.055 | -3.6 | -5.81 | -2.217 | 48.1% |
A couple of things automatically stand out here, and it's something that Josh has brought up a few times this season with his scoring chances product. The first is that Ribeiro -- and consequently his linemates -- are getting much less offensive zone start chances this season compared to last year. Part of this could be because of the team's idea that icing the puck isn't a bad thing and part of that is due to the fact that Gulutzan uses his top three lines almost exclusively the same, offensively and defensively.
That is to say, that the Jamie Benn line (47.1%), the Mike Ribeiro line (48.1%) and the Vernon Fiddler line (46.3%) see almost identical zone start percentages -- and all three lines start in their defensive zone more often than they do in the offensive zone. Compare that to last season, when the top two lines were seeing nearly 55% offensive zone starts while the third line -- in a clear checking role -- were seeing just around 31% offensive zone starts.
What this means is that the Stars have gone from having three well-defined lines with well-defined roles, to three lines that are used nearly identical over the course of a game. While that's obviously something that Gulutzan and the Stars made a point to emphasize heading into the season -- three balanced lines throughout a game -- the actual execution of that plan is putting his players in a poor position to actually succeed.
Look closer at Ribeiro's numbers, and you'll see what the effect of the heavier defensive load has done to the Stars. He's facing much tougher competition this season and as a result his Relative Corsi numbers (shots for and against while on and off the ice) have taken a dramatic turn for the worse.
It's no secret the Ribeiro line has struggled defensively this season, just read the scoring chances updates after each game. Yet what's frustrating the most is that Ribeiro -- and consequently each line and player on the team -- is not being put in a position best set up for their success. Ribeiro is an offensive forward who is best with the puck in his own zone; putting him on the ice for more defensive zone starts than offensive zone starts comes across as incredibly counter-intuitive.
It's also obvious that because the Ribeiro line has struggled defensively -- which is in turn hurting their offensive production -- teams are able to better focus on shutting down the Jamie Benn line, something that has worked countless times this season.
Many fans have become enamored with the third line of Eric Nystrom, Vernon Fiddler and Radek Dvorak but the truth is that line being misused as well. The line is attempting to be used as a checking line without actually getting the defined ice time and zone distribution that a true checkling should see, and it's severely affected them defensively over the course of the season.
We could dig even further and analyze how the lines are actually set up and whether players are being utilized in a manner that benefits their style or not, but we'd be looking at around 2,500 words for this post alone. What we can do is take a look at Tomas Vincour, and how his usage on this team is perhaps the perfect microcosm for this issue as a whole.
Vincour, while facing average competition compared to the rest of the team, has the second-best Corsi On-Ice numbers on the team. He's just behind Toby Petersen, who is facing significantly easier competition on a game-to-game basis.
Vincour is a player who generates offense and chances and has proven that so far in his short career. While the actual production isn't where we'd like it to be, he also doesn't allow many chances when he's on the ice either. As we've seen this season, not allowing chances and goals is almost as important as finishing on the offensive chances created.
Yet Vincour continuously sees significantly less time on ice than his teammates, even those above him in the depth chart that have struggled for much of this season defensively. The Stars are in a desperate fight for the playoffs, apparently, yet it seems there is still a hesitation to use young, energetic players in bigger situations out of a fear of failure -- this is having a domino effect on the rest of the roster and too many players are finding themselves out of their comfort zones.
Never before has this been more apparent than, with Ribeiro and Benn both injured, the Stars were using Adam Burish in top-six minutes with Vincour getting just a handful of minutes a game. This season, Burish has a Corsi Relative of -2.8, compared to Vincour's 9.0.
The frustration carried over to the utilization of Matt Fraser, a player who does nothing but create offensive chances and who saw just over four minutes in his NHL debut. In that time, he and Vincour created more actual chances on offense than the rest of his team combined in the first period of play. Yet the Stars, perhaps too focused on the "balance of offense" stuck with the veterans that continue to struggle offensively, and defensively.
There is still have a season to go and the Stars are still alive for a playoff spot. Glen Gulutzan, an intelligent hockey coach who is well liked by his players, is still learning of the importance of in-game strategy and tactical player deployment. There is hope, that perhaps the Stars will put ego aside and realize that putting the right players in the right position to succeed is more important that making sure everyone's ice times are equal.
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Somebody please print this out...
…and stick it on Gully’s windshield.
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To be fair...
This isn’t about railing against Gulutzan. It’s just becoming clearer that the system and plan the Stars entered the season with, isn’t working out as planned.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 26, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
I totally get that
Just wanted to give him a gentle reminder that it may not be working. Hopefully he reads this blog.
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I'll say it.
It’s Gulutzan and his staff. They don’t do much anything that makes sense tactically. People can trash Crawford, but he at least did some smart tactical things.
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I gave Crawford 1 1/2 seasons before I really started to get down on him.
I’m willing to give Gulutzan at least some chance to adapt before I throw in the towel.
This entire article, however, is exactly what is holding this team back right now and it’s frustrating as hell.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 26, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Meh.
My first red flag was when he was shocked that NHL coaches adapted so quickly after the first game. I think by game 15 I realized they didn’t manage games very well, and I don’t think there’s much reason to expect that to change.
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Have we ever seen Jason Garrett and Glen Gulutzan in the same place?
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 26, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
This question will never stop making me laugh
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Could it be
that the Stars are, in general, spending more time in the defensive zone than the offensive zone and therefore the lines are having to be rolled out accordingly?
Zone starts don't really show that, though.
It’s about the percentage of times you’re being sent out to take a draw in your own zone, versus the offensive zone. And there’s no way the Stars are playing significantly more in their own zone this season vs. last season, when they couldn’t get the puck clear to save their lives.
What we’re seeing is that the top three lines are being used almost identically in relation to zone starts, when NHL don’t exactly approach the game that way. And when the other team is rolling their top line against Ribeiro’s line, in a def. zone start for the Stars, consistently — that’s where the issues start.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 26, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
It's highly unlikely.
Every other team in the league has noticeable lines of demarcation between lines. The Stars are a cluster of fail up front..
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Too bad we don't have these stats for AHL teams
And we could compare to see how Gulutzan used the Texas Stars lines the past two years.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 26, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
Perhaps Steve could shed some light on the subject
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Probably not.
If you watched every Stars game you wouldn’t necessarily notice who is taking all of the draws unless you charted them.
I didn’t notice this stuff until I made the first Stars OZQoC chart a month or two ago. It’s just one of those subtle things.
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What about line matching?
It seems that Gulutzan as of late is trying to at least match certain lines against each other and perhaps that is skewing the zone start ratios especially at home where you react to line changes rather than initiate. I recall the interviews after the Anaheim game said he was matching the Fiddler line straight up against the Getzlaf line.
Yeah, well
The Ribeiro unit almost always sees more difficult competition. He can match guys up on faceoffs in the defensive zone, and make that claim. That doesn’t stop Boudreau from changing quickly. And, if he’s matching Fiddler with Getzlaf when they’re in the Ducks offensive zone he’s doing it wrong.
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He's either misleading people, or failing. I think failing.
http://www.timeonice.com/faceoffs1112.php?gamenumber=20730
Fiddler 3 offensive zone starts, 1 defensive
Ribeiro 7 defensive zone stars, 3 offensive
http://timeonice.com/H2H1112.html?GameNumber=20730&submit=Go
He did match Fiddler’s line against Getzlaf, but they start mostly in the neutral zone. So you’re matching Fiddlers line, offensively useless, in the neutral zone against a very good offensive unit. The play is inevitably going to go to the Stars net. Because of that matchup guess what line went out against Ribeiro the most? Selanne/Koivu/Hagman….the lline that created most of the chances last night.
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Cold hard facts beatdown
I am not worthy.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 26, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
He may be adjusting lately but it's going to be tough to see that just yet in the numbers.
Look at the differences in the top three lines from last year to this year. You have a third line going from 30% off. zone starts to 46% off. zone starts. That’s not coincidence.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 26, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Josh...
Is there a distribution out there for zone starts by team per game or something like that?
Tuesday they had 13 offensive zone draws, 17 defensive. What does the typical Stars game look like from that perspective? Is that about right?
I don't know about a comprehensive list...
But here’s the past few games.
14 def 12 off
18 def 14 off
25 def 12 off
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 26, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
It's doable, but quick math from above says 30 offensive/defensive faceoffs a game
The top 3 lines are all under 50% by a hair so I’d guess on average 4 off 5 def for each line in the top 3
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# D N O Def. – Off.
2 243 300 186 57
3 232 228 200 32
6 241 284 185 56
10 178 182 153 25
11 93 65 78 15
13 22 23 13 9
14 193 260 181 12
16 113 94 89 24
17 71 62 59 12
20 184 203 151 33
21 207 265 170 37
23 110 101 99 11
24 147 181 137 10
27 81 107 81 0
28 157 157 130 27
29 191 218 178 13
30 139 150 115 24
31 142 167 134 8
32 446 483 380 66
33 179 194 168 11
36 86 100 111 -25
38 186 211 155 31
44 230 221 191 39
48 5 0 2 3
58 7 8 5 2
63 179 202 164 15
73 205 244 168 37
81 50 58 57 -7
Team 727 800 629 98
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Here's the last road win:
10 def, 15 off
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 26, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
They've made a change over the past two weeks
# D N O Def. – Off.
2 55 51 27 28
6 56 51 28 28
3 38 42 42 -4
44 34 41 38 -4
33 51 29 42 9
36 11 9 20 -6
27 3 4 5 -2
28 34 19 22 12
The Souray/Robidas pairing isn’t starting in the defensive zone as often, and the Daley/Grossman unit has gone to be the top defensive option.
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Here, I did it with my program
It’s roughly… should be close to exactly…
743 Defensive draws
804 Neutral zone draws
636 Offensive zone draws
by Brad Gardner on Jan 26, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Team 727 800 629 98
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Three of those are close to mine
What’s the fourth number?
by Brad Gardner on Jan 26, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
Zone Start Difference
D-O
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OK
Either way, the ratio is about the same. They’ve started about 100 times more in the defensive zone than offensive over 48 games.
by Brad Gardner on Jan 26, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
The Oilers for instance
Team 609 811 629 -20
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So I get a team offensive zone% of 46.4%
Which is almost exactly what the top 3 centers average. Which suggests there is very little attempt to play a given line in a particular face off situation.
You just summed up 1,800 words above, good sir.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 26, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Bingo. Been saying it all year.

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And the Penguins
Team 638 898 771 -133
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Holy Puck Possession, Batman
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 26, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
This was the total zone face off numbers
I was trying to get out of you on the post where you were evaluating the lines.
I guess I need to rank a bit higher around here to get that!
Let me look
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I was pulling your leg a bit
You’ve already posted enough for me to see most of what I was looking for.
Would be interesting to see if Dallas has the largest differential in the league though.
Oh I can find it....
I just dont have the #want right now to do it. Perhaps tomorrow on my day off.
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To expand
With a zone start differential like that and their 55% Fenwick tied no wonder they win alot of games
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timeonice.com
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Hmmm
There’s should be the same as mine.
I’m sure it’s me, though. I had to import my faceoffs table into excel and do some IF/THEN stuff in the formulas to get the zone starts, since NHL names zone on a faceoff as a function of which team won it.
by Brad Gardner on Jan 26, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
Wait, yes it is
Even strength only, however.
by Brad Gardner on Jan 26, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Weird that it's different.
Team 727 800 629 98 is pulled straight from the game notes.
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Somewhere, there's a Stars intern writing all these numbers down.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 26, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Two things.
1. No they’re not
2. If they’re writing them down they’re doing it wrong.
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Lol.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 26, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
Now I'm imagining an intern with pencil and graph paper
Furiously transcribing the comments on a fan blog.
And I can’t stop laughing.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 26, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
slide rule?
w/thick glasses & pocket protector?
methinks the Stars Interns of the Hicks era would be SMU fratboys laughing at said nerd w/slide rule.
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by graylikethecolor on Jan 26, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
Or ex-players with little experienced oversight and few experienced assistants
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2 more defensive starts than offensive starts per game
Doesn’t sound all that bad. But you wonder if it adds up over time and leads to those scoring chances you can’t afford.
by Brad Gardner on Jan 26, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
If an offensive zone start is worth .428 scoring chances
Then a defensive zone scoring chance would seem to be 50% more likely to happen.
Thats a lot.
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Also factor in at least one of those extra defensive zone starts
is due to taking an extra icing and you can’t change tired players and it’s probably even more likely to lead to a scoring chance.
This actually isn't true.
Math fail on my part.
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You also wonder if changing how each line starts their shift would change it at all.
Last year, Ribeiro started 53% of his shifts in the offensive zone and STOPPED his shift 52% in the offensive zone.
This season, it’s 48% offensive and 49.1% offensive zone starts. Meaning, he’s not tipping the ice the other way very much. The rest of the team is holding to about the same ratio as well…only Eriksson, Wandell and a few others are actually tilting play the other way consistently.
If I’m interpreting these numbers right.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 26, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
There isn't anything to wonder.
You’re more likely to generate offense in the offensive zone.
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I wonder if the Stars interns are taking notes on that.
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a.) do they even have interns w/smarts? and...
b.) why aren’t you working for the Stars, Lile?
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by graylikethecolor on Jan 26, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
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1. I’m not a programmer
2. What I’ve heard in the past is that no, they don’t. This stuff confirms it time and again.
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I wish we knew which percentage of teams look at things like this
And then which percentage of those folks do anything about it.
Hockey is full of pretty old school dudes. I don’t think this is pervasive throughout. Even if it were, you don’t find coaches managing their roster like a computer.
by Brad Gardner on Jan 26, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
It isn't.
I know of a guy that did consulting with the Devils. The Isles did some things a few years back (one of them is now a good goal scorer out of nowhere). The Wild do, and I wouldn’t be shocked if the Preds do since they play similar defensive systems. David Nonis of the Canucks supposedly was into that stuff, but never fully implemented it. The Wings wouldn’t surprise me either since they’re a possession based team that drafts possession forwards (Euros late), and hasn’t committed long term to a goalie since Hasek…and he was worth the $$$$.
I know the Kings got some outside consulting once too around the same time the Isles did.
Teams don’t want to pointed out as doing this type of analysis for some reason.
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That is the quote of the day and someone should...
put it on a coversheet with said stats on Glen’s windshield! :) Great analysis Josh! Maybe we need some Moneyball staff in the front office to help them. Josh are you applying?
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by graylikethecolor on Jan 26, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
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by graylikethecolor on Jan 26, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Two damning bits of info here to me.
1) the above discusion on zone starts.
2) The fact that Ribero is facing the highest Corsi Relitive Quality of Compitition. This means the other teams best offensive players is consistently getting matched against the Ribs line. Of our top 3 lines the Ribs line is the weakest defensively. While the away team does get last change, you can fight that with a quick change if you don’t get pinned in your own end (which is probably part of it having our worst face off guy doing a lot of defensive draws). But you should be able to counter that over the season at home where you get last change … again unless the other team gets a quick change and you leave Ribs out.
Taken together it seems to suggest very little strategy on maximizing your players strengths when you have a chance to do it on a face off. And also that you are not responding well when the other coach is putting his most offensive line out against our weakest defensive line. The first speaks to pre game strategy and the second to in game management.
Way to depress me.
There's also the fact that Ribeiro takes long shifts
Which opens him up to be changed against as well, and Gulutzan gets outchanged in the process.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 26, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
I'll just leave this here
Taken together it seems to suggest very little strategy on maximizing your players strengths when you have a chance to do it on a face off. And also that you are not responding well when the other coach is putting his most offensive line out against our weakest defensive line. The first speaks to pre game strategy and the second to in game management.
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Ouch ... thats kind of brutal
I didn’t mean to be quite that rough. I like Gully. I recognize he probably has other areas of strategy that he is focusing on instead of zone starts. I must say some of the number crunching from the other day and this thread are making me scratch my head a bit.
None of what is being said is to bash him as a person.
He seems like a nice guy. He also seems like, in a nurturing environment, that he would be an effective father-figure type motivator. I really liked the note someone had a few weeks back about him giving each player a DVD of the last 30 powerplay goals scored in the NHL to show them exactly what they’re doing wrong. That stuck me as incredibly smart.
The tactical stuff is a problem though, and there is very little NHL experience on that bench or in the front office in terms of managing all aspects of a front office. I think it’s at least worth considering.
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It makes me wonder...
The tactical stuff is a problem though, and there is very little NHL experience on that bench or in the front office in terms of managing all aspects of a front office. I think it’s at least worth considering.
Do the Stars have anyone doing any sort of advanced statistical analysis? If so – why aren’t they listening to him/her? If not – then they really need to start. Having this sort of information at your fingertips is a priceless tool for helping to get the maximum out of your players.
I would really like to know what teams have by way statisticians working for them – not just to help maximize the contributions of the current players, but also working out the numbers for the other teams. If you combine advanced statistical analysis WITH gut feeling/the eyeball test when determining your game plan (i.e. tactical moves/match-ups)…
Carpe diem!
They do not, and most teams don't either.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 26, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
i love Heika...
but i would never get this type of coverage or discussion at DMN.
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by graylikethecolor on Jan 26, 2012 3:37 PM CST reply actions
I meant to comment on this before I got imersed in Josh's stats
bq.Compared to last season, the team is technically allowing more goals per game (2.79 vs. 2.76) — something that’s a bit frustrating considering the defensive changes.
How can it be … we got rid of that 5 hole sieve Turco as well as the worst D men on the team, our whipping boys Nisky and Woywitka! And even added two D men at the top of our rotation, Goose and Souray and we’ve given up more goals!!
Actually, a bit of sarcasm aside, that is surprising. And the forwards are being asked to be more defensively responsible too. Maybe it’s somewhat true that the best defense is a good offense. Last year at this time we still had Richards and Neal.
Look at Zone Starts for the Stars from last year
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I think we need to start an online petition
To get the Stars to hire Josh.
Josh could totally be the Peter Brand of hockey… Assuming it isn’t already being done somewhere else.
Carpe diem!
Lol.
I wonder how many people will think Josh wrote this article. If so…then I am a proud man.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 26, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
I hope I didn’t come off as insulting… I certainly didn’t mean to. My comment was referring to his, yours, and Brad’s comments above; and taking in to account his scoring chances articles.
I really didn’t mean to diminish any of your contributions to the discussion.
Carpe diem!
Dude...no worries.
You should see the private discussions we have on all this. There’s a very good reason we brought Josh on board, as he’s provided us a very different perspective on the Stars and hockey with his analysis.
I’m still learning myself.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 26, 2012 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
If I were privy to those conversations
I’m sure my head would explode. The information I take in when reading these stats based articles makes my brain start to hemorrhage… But in a good way!
Carpe diem!
I appreciate it, but I'm not really creating anything.
I’ve just spent a lot of time learning so I know how to work with the tools others spent years creating. The people that should really be working for the NHL follow the Oilers (members of Coppernblue, m79hockey, Vic Ferrari, etc etc etc).
I just analyze stuff.
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Yup.
Of course, the Oilers think all those guys are just mouth breathing basement dwellers.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 26, 2012 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
Wait, Josh DIDN'T write it...
Whoa… dude… I spent 10 minutes on the article and then the last 25 reading all the comments and further details. Awesome job by Brandon and Josh!
Nice job ...
but did you run it by Josh before you posted it? lol
uh oh
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by graylikethecolor on Jan 26, 2012 6:28 PM CST reply actions
i still think we look more consistent then last year
yea we still have horrible games and all the problems mentioned above, but i like this team much better than last years
GET OFF NIEUWENDYK'S NUTS
I'll feel better once we have a season under new team, management and coaching.
It’s too early to freak out.
Hopefully Gully reads all of this
He seems like a smart guy so I can’t help but feel that he doesn’t believe in matching lines. Maybe he feels that holding every line responsible will get everyone to contribute offensively and defensively, but it hasn’t really manifested that way.
I will say that I think matching lines can be overrated, but you definitely shouldn’t have Ribs taking faceoffs at the end of the game.
I’m also a believer that you should consider giving the hardest working line ice time regardless of which “line” they are. But that doesn’t mean that you roll 4 lines without looking at what the other team is putting out there.
I think a combination of the two would work- don’t worry about which is your first, second, etc…line, but line match in key situations like defensive/offensive zone faceoffs.
And I agree that we still somehow LOOK more consistent than last year.

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