Dallas Stars Daily Links: Wild Respond After Ott-Powe Fight While Stars Remain Flat
Just after Philip Larsen had scored to give the Dallas Stars a 2-1 lead over the Minnesota Wild, Steve Ott and Darroll Powe both stepped out of the penalty box with some unfinished business.
The two had tangled about two minutes before, but there weren't enough punches thrown to land either a fighting major. Powe was a little upset at the way Ott had been "bullying" the Wild, and Ott was willing to put his fists behind his words.
Powe's play, including the fight, was something the Wild pointed to after the game as a turning point that set them on a three-goals-in-one-minute outburst, the key in their 5-2 victory.
"Emotionally, he gave our bench a huge lift tonight," Minnesota coach Mike Yeo said. "The guys were pumped about what he was willing to do for them."
And I absolutely understand that from the Wild's point of view.
Here's what I don't get though: Why couldn't the Stars build off that same momentum? It's not like Ott lost the fight. I'd call it a split-decision win or at worst a draw. I do understand maybe wishing he'd walk away, though you have to remember when the original spar happened, the score was tied and i think the fight had more to do with the first skirmish getting cut short than anything else.
But I can't help thinking the Stars should have been able to feed off the energy as well. Instead, only one team turned up the volume, and I can't blame that on Ott. How the rest of his teammates responded is out of his control, and they certainly came apart at the seams for a crucial minute.
After the jump, more on the Stars loss to the Wild, possible incoming Shanabans and the Buffalo Sabres had an even worse night than the Stars did.

- I could have told you what the story was with five minutes left in in the second period - the Wild's three goals in 59 seconds outburst. Having Eric Nystrom admit it got in their "psyche" (though I don't think that word means what he thinks it means) is somewhat concerning. [ESPN Dallas]
- It's easy to forget that Glen Gulutzan is also a rookie in a sense, so it's no surprise tht he, like any other rookie, is hitting some roadbumps as he learns the ins and outs of the NHL as Mike Heika discusses in this paywalled article. [DallasNews.com]
- Another No. 36 scored his first career NHL goal on Saturday, as Wild rookie Chad Rau made his NHL debut and scored the game-winner (albeit, off the stick of Brenden Morrow). [Fox Sports North]
- Here is a prime example of why I hate the idea of rebuilds: The Edmonton Oilers, despite all their high draft picks and young talent, are going nowhere and are creating a more and more toxic losing atmosphere for their young players. Taylor Hall and his busted up face, for instance, were not very happy during the loss to the Calgary Flames. The even better example is the Columbus Blue Jackets, rebuilding since they came into the league, but they didn't have fun video evidence to illustrate my point. [Backhand Shelf]
- The Shanahammer may very well be breaking out of its box in the next 48 hours or so because of a pair of boardings from Saturday's games. The first is a really super-obvious, super-stupid hit by Andrew Ference on Ryan McDonagh in the Boston Bruins-New York Rangers affair. Also featured, homer announcing courtesy of the NESN crew. [Puck Daddy]
- In the category of "definitely boarding but the hit itself is really not all that dirty," you find noted line-walker Henrik Zetterberg of the Detroit Red Wings, who put an arm into the back of Columbus Blue Jackets defenseman and my favorite name in the NHL Nikita Nikitin and sent him extremely awkwardly into the boards. I highly doubt this garners a suspension, but the major and game given to Zetterberg was the correct call. [Puck Daddy]
- It was a bad day for NHL concussions as Danny Briere of the Philadelphia Flyers and Evander Kane of the Winnipeg Jets were both revealed to have one. [London Free Press]
- I have good news and bad news for those of you who are already scheming how to spend the Stars cap dollars this summer. The good news? Free agent defensemen tend to live up to their deals. The bad? You can't say the same thing about forwards. [CBC.ca]
- Meet the enemy: Whatever the Anaheim Ducks are eating for breakfast, it keeps working for them. Corey Perry and Lubomir Vishnovsky both scored in the second period as the Ducks picked up points in their 8th consecutive game in a 2-1 over the Ottawa Senators. [Los Angeles Times]
- Around the Pacific Division: Other than Anaheim, however, it wasn't a good night to be a Pacific Division team. The San Jose Sharks let the Vancouver Canucks score the game-winner late in a 4-3 loss, the Phoenix Coyotes had a comeback falls short in a 4-3 loss to the Tampa Bay Lightning, and the Los Angeles Kings scored first but only once in a 3-1 loss to the Colorado Avalanche. Mercifully, all three games ended in regulation. [San Jose Mercury News/Arizona Republic/Denver Post]
- Apparently getting a new owner just isn't a recipe for success this season, as the newly purchased Buffalo Sabres are having a terrible time of it. Not only did they lose to the St. Louis Blues on Saturday, but they couldn't get home either. [Twitter]
- There are a couple of reasons I don't put a whole lot of stock in this "world record" hardest shot from the KHL All-Star game. The first is that defenseman Alexander Ryazantsev of Traktor Chelyabinsk (and yes, I copy-pasted both of those) gets a full-scale skating wind up from the other side of the blue line. The second is that the sensor is apparently pointed just after the point of release rather than entering the net, which is where the NHL reads it. So even though I can't directly compare his 114.127 mph (183.67 km/h for you metric fans) shot to one from, say, Zdeno Chara or Shea Weber, it's still pretty impressive to watch.
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Would be interesting to see Gulutzan's thoughts.
The ones he will not share. =)
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
And if some think Ott was fail.
The D was epic fail. Don’t know why Ott got the hate or why was it so strong.
Then again if this fires him up – in a smart way – so be it.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
by Henri Muroke on Jan 22, 2012 6:43 AM CST up reply actions
Morrow isn't a second line forward anymore
I don’t know if that’s a harsh assessment
Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?
by Great British Stars Fan on Jan 22, 2012 8:27 AM CST reply actions
Perhaps it's not.
His true actions will be shown in playoffs, but need to get there first, yes. =)
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
by Henri Muroke on Jan 22, 2012 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
I'd have to agree
he’s just not that guy anymore. I keep thinking that maybe he’s just slumping and that if he gets a goal his play will pick back up but he got a goal and there was no visible change. And over half a season is a long time for a slump. At this moment in time though there isn’t a lot we can do, our 3rd line has been our most consistent all season so we can’t put him there at the the expense of that group, and if we did who would we play on the second line instead of him? We can’t trade him because he has a NTC. He has another year on his contract after this season is done with. I think it might be a little disrespectful to make him a scapegoat, this team has bigger problems than his lack of goals
It's not in my opinion. I tend to agree.
But, well, given the lack of talent on this steam, what choice do we have. It’s kinda like Ott. He’s not a top 6 forward either, but he’s expected to be because, again, this team lacks talent. That’s why he should be smarter about his fights, because if he’s gonna be a top 6 guy he needs to learn how to help his team by being on the ice. But that’s another matter.
Morrow….
It’s not all on him, and I don’t think it’s fair to scapegoat him, but this is the second year in a row that the wheels have fallen off this team and a season that started with promise has tanked. And at about the same time, too. Last year it was right after the AS break. This year right before. I think there’s certainly a tendency as frustration builds to wonder where the leadership is and why the Captain can’t do something to turn it around.
Morrow's regression...
…is perplexing to say the least. It is like he doesn’t care anymore- something people supposedly have been noticing since the time he went to the Olympics in 2010. If he wants out, maybe we should explore that possibility now. It is way past “mulligan for 2008.”
by Dallas_Stars74 on Jan 22, 2012 12:07 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
agh Kritter an Ott apologist to the very end. He needs to spend more time actually playing hockey and less time taking stupid penalties.
i am pissed
Lots of wrath, but it is directed Souray. This guy really sucks and is way too reckless with the puck. If I see him wind up and smack the blindly down the ice, I am going to eat a plate of human sh$#!
Guess I better get ready to throw Tuesday night….
I'm going to take a pillow case full of bars of soap and beat the shit out of you.
by fakeheadguy on Jan 22, 2012 10:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hmm, do we know each other?
(I’m sure we do, it’s just hard to recognize everyone with different handles).
Like I said, I agree with the idea that it was probably smarter to walk away at that point, though the fact that the original altercation happened before the Stars took the lead does also play into my mind. But I put more blame on the rest of the team for their failure to respond because Ott didn’t lose any momentum by getting beat up a la Mr. Barch.
The stupid penalties point is absolutely true, though he is far from the only one guilty of that.
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Get off Otters Nutz
He is the true fighter the Stars have and he is effective. Last night THE TEAM didnt raise the play of their game after Otters fight….not his problem.
Souray is all talk no action… he blows.
Robidas is getting frail and he blows.
Larson is too small for the NHL and Dallas style of play.
Grossman cant hit or scrap….what a waste of size….he blows.
Wandell is just Wandell. He is horrible.
My point is start talking about the dead weight on this team before you trash Morrow or Otter.
Sorry the truth hurts.
Well,
Not sure who Larson is, but if you’re talking about Larsen, if he’s too small so are most of the rest of the Stars D. I for one think he has a bright future with the franchise.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 22, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
How awesome we have a spelling bee champion here
Larson cant take or give a hit ! I hope he isn’t part of the future in Dallas.
“if he’s too small so are most of the rest of the Stars D”???
Gee, 3 are smaller than him & 4 are bigger…. how is that most?
by deerslayertx on Jan 22, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
I
Actually was a spelling bee champ.. Haha. Larsen seems to do just fine, with his size and if anything he’ll improve in that regard.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 22, 2012 4:41 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
longer than you probaly have
Larsen can move the puck , great! But my point is we need bigger guys and/or guys that can play big.
Larsen cant dish out big hits and he cant fight for pucks along the boards with someone on top of him.
by deerslayertx on Jan 22, 2012 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
"True Fighter"...
…should try for a career in MMA. Last night’s decision to fight Powe was irresponsible and totally unnecessary 15 seconds after a goal was scored. We needed him on the ice…not in the box.
by Dallas_Stars74 on Jan 22, 2012 11:49 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I have
a Traktor Chelyabinsk Sergei Gonchar jersey. I saw Traktor play a game in person….Here in Texas of all places.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 22, 2012 10:38 AM CST reply actions
ott won that fight
not that it matters. please tell me jamie is playing tuesday this team needs him desperately.
I actually think that it might be an idea to not play Benn even if he is fit
rather than let him get infected with whatever is killing the team mentally it might be best to send him off to the all star game and have him and the rest of the team come back after the break refreshed and hopefully full of fight for the remainder.
Team assessments...
I think some of you are spot on: This team has some significan holes, which have to be addressed sooner, than later, or this team’s core could implode.
I think that if we wait until free agency to do something major, it’s almost too long. With new ownership, the Stars are going to want to draw in fans and media attention, which would be derailed if they get into an epic slide. Unless of course they hit the reset button in the summer, make some trades and signings, and draft well. Then they could really do a better job in introducing key signings to the media this year, unlike last summer. Remember when we signed Guerin, Turgeon and Young? Dallas had a press conference to showcase the new talent. Even when they signed Avery, they had him throw an opening pitch at a Rangers game. This is the kind of stuff we have to do going forward to let people in the Fort Worth area know that, while they have the Mavs, The Cowboys and a good baseball team, they also have a pretty good hockey team as well. A team that wants to win and return to their elite standing winning tradition of the late ’90’s.
Here’s my roster breakdown:
Benn: Great; needs to be signed long-term.
Burish: Ok depth winger who brings emotion and leadership to the ice. UFA after next season; wouldn’t sign him past that, as I believe we have enough reinforcements on the way.
Dowell: Unnoticeable.
Dvorak: Ok veteran forward. Doesn’t score much, but gets pucks to the net and isn’t much of a liability. Wouldn’t extend his contract, however.
Eriksson: Glad he’s on the team. A more offensive Jere Lehtinen.
Fiddler: Why did we sign him for 3 years? Am I the only one who thinks Morin would’ve been just fine instead?
Morrow: It sucks to say this, but he’s no longer a top 6 forward on a good team. I think his trade value (while he has a NTC) is probably higher as a guy who is “having a bad season”, than if the team waits until his contract year, when teams will see him as a “guy who’s had some bad seasons and is on the decline.” At this point, a team may see him as a guy who, given the opportunity for a change of scenery, may do better elsewhere. But if the season is over and it’s in retrospect, the trend of offensive decline will be more noticeable. Morrow in 2011-12 = Nystrom, Ott, Moen, etc. A 3rd line guy.
Nystrom: Very impressed by him. As a 3rd line winger, he’s been a bargain. And he shoots A LOT! Would I extend his contract? Not yet. By his UFA year, someone like Chiasson or Stransky may be NHL ready to take his minutes.
Ott: 29 and likely entering his prime, or already in it. His contract has him here for a few more years and by then – or even before- I see someone replacing him from our prospect pool. A key role player for this team and part of the core, but not a top 6 forward.
Petersen: Why Nieuwendyk extended his contract the other year is beyond me. Glad he’s gone after this season. He’ll have a hard time finding something on another team in the NHL, in my opinion.
Ribeiro: Good contract term, given his age. I’m happy with his performance, but feel like he’d be more effective if we had a true no. 1 center, and he could play against other team’s lower lines, rather than matching with top lines. He’s a very good complementary center. Like when we had Nieuwendyk, we need a Modano. We don’t have one yet.
Ryder: I like his contract. It’s not too long-term, but I wouldn’t extend him. This team will have plenty of replacement options by the time he’s coming due as a free agent. He’s been good for the Stars though.
Vincour: Anyone who talks about moving this guy is nuts. Sure- he may have SOME trade value. Maybe not much, as other teams probably don’t know his worth. But he’ll be good once he puts it all together. He’s got top 6 potential that I believe he’ll reach sooner than later.
Wandell: After seeing him play on top lines, or at least get better linemates and minutes, I think he’s worth a second look. He’s good defensively, an excellent skater and decent on faceoffs. If he could only score more… I like him as a 3rd line forward.
Daley: I like Goligoski. But even when my friend, who is a longtime, diehard Pens fan, was always raving about this guy, and telling me about how Stars scouts were watching him, I couldn’t help but wonder why they’d want him when we had Daley. I think they’re similar in some ways. It’ll be interesting to see who remains with the team longer. We have Daley under contract long term, but not Goose. Can we keep both? Will one of the youngsters push one aside?
Fistric: Unlike Grossman, he’s got intimidation qualities. Like Pardy, most NHL’ers probably have little trouble skating circles around him. If he has any trade value, I’d include him in a package deal, or trade him for a pick. Otherwise- waivers?
Grossman: Please Joe, DO NOT extend his contract. Dillon, Nemeth and Oleksiak will be better future options than this guy. He has the ideal frame for a physical defenseman. But he’s not physical. The old “nun with nice breasts” metaphor comes to mind while thinking of Grossman.
Souray: I’m not a hater. I think he’s been fine in a reduced role. Every team needs a guy on the backend who has a cannon. He’s our guy. Before him it was Boucher, and before Boucher it was Manson… I think? I could see a team wanting him for a playoff run, but why would we move him? I think the Stars keep him until the summer and see where they’re at then. If they feel they have room, they’d extend him for a 1 year deal, unless he finds something more attractive in the market.
Robidas: Another “why Joe” contract extension. Robi is on the decline. Can we trade him? I’d rather have Larsen take his minutes and maybe call up Jordie Benn to see if he can contribute at all.
Goligoski: Good. Can someone please explain to me if Goligoski and Daley is redundant, or if it’s a good thing to have two “similar” defensemen?
Pardy: Can we try to send him through waivers?
Larsen: NHL ready, I think. At least in a reduced role. Ease him in.
Bachman: Excellent backup goaltender with some upside.
Lehtonen: He’s become one of the better goalies in the league. I wonder what happens when Campbell comes knocking on the NHL’s door though? It’s a nice problem to have.
Basically it all boils down to the fact that given the NTCs our older guys have
we can’t shed anything we may consider dead wood (not saying they are at all). So basically there isn’t much that can be done this season. I’m torn on Grossman, i wouldn’t mind offering him a short term deal but i also wouldn’t mind trading him if we are presented with the right opportunity. I honestly don’t think we’l make any significant moves before the deadline and i don’t think the top UFA’s will still be available come free agency. I can’t see how we improve this team.
Not much
to be done to improve significantly in FA unless Suter and Parise make it to UFA. But a guy like say, Tuomo Ruutu would be a good fit and be a top six upgrade to Ott. And maybe a rookie ends up making a fairly significant impact like Fraser or Austin Smith.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 22, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Burish
is a UFA after THIS season. I’d like to extend him for one more season if he’ll do it for a mil, not more.
Fiddler..Would be nice to get more of a scoring threat at 3rd line center and let him do his thing on the 4th line.
Wandell is proving he doesn’t have what it takes to be more than a depth player. Beyond skating he doesn’t have it. I don’t think he’s the answer to replacing Fiddler on the third line either. Just because he looks good skating through the neutral zone doesn’t mean he’s going to put up points.
Daley/Goligoski- You definitely need more than one offensive dman. We do have too many small guys though, which is the issue. Not style of play. They both skate well but don’t play exactly the same way. Goligoski is going to score a lot more points in his career. Daley is still a better player right now though, it seems like he should put up more points than he does. I’d be willing to trade Goligoski for a good top six forward.
Pretty much agree with the rest.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 22, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
You'd trade Goose for a good top 6 forward?
Oh well maybe we can ask the pens for Neal back then. I have a love hate relationship with that trade
Me too,
We needed someone like Goligoski though. I think though that with Larsen coming up and Daley scoring more it’s slightly less of a need. Although it’s obviously too early to know if Larsen becomes a guy who produces offensively. I guess it would look bad trading Goose for a winger considering they gave up Neal. If it was a package for a center maybe would be more palatable. Would be a risk trading Goligoski though, don’t want to end up back where they were in the D corps before he was acquired. I just am not real happy with him defensively and we have to somehow weed out some of these tiny defensemen. We could have FOUR defensemen in the top six next season under 200 lbs with only one taller than 5’11."
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 22, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
Fiddler
This guy busts his butt every night. You have reduced his impact to the team so far. Without him, there is no way this team gets off to the 11-3 start.
I'm going to take a pillow case full of bars of soap and beat the shit out of you.
by fakeheadguy on Jan 22, 2012 8:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I agree except....
I think you are spot on except for Larsen & Fistric.
This is the first year Fistric is getting significant playing time…Larsen on the other hand is not a longterm NHLer…imo.
Hell he has already had a concussion in half a season!
by deerslayertx on Jan 22, 2012 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
Burish
You don’t think that in a year or two, Dallas won’t be able to call up or sign a sub-six foot forward with 20 point capability who draws penalties? They grow on trees. Pass on an extension. Like running backs in football, you don’t sign those guys long term.
Goose for Neal, especially with a former first round pick defenseman (even if he was our scapegoat here) seems awful on paper. And I probably wouldn’t have done it. I don’t think Les Jackson would have done it either, if he were still GM (and what a fine GM he was- I hope someone else takes notice and gives him a job, as much as I’d like him to stay in Dallas). But a part of me just can’t help but think that if we still had Neal, we wouldn’t have Benn. I mean- we’d have Benn, but a 55 point Benn. Less minutes and less production. Too many cooks in the kitchen doesn’t make for good soup. Plus- out of Stransky, Ritchie, Smith, Smith, Chiasson, Glennie, Vincour, Fraser, Molin, etc, etc, I’m sure someone will fill the void Neal left.
Well,
it’s in gear right now. He’s scoring. We’ll see if it stays in gear I guess.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 22, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
If you're talking to me
Burish isn’t sub six foot, and I said for one season. I’m talking about next season only. He’s a UFA after this season. Beyond next season, long term..no. But it’s not like we want these prospects playing on the 4th line. We want them playing plenty of minutes in Dallas or playing in Cedar Park. But I’m not talking about in a year or two anyway. Just next season.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 22, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Also another problem with the Goose trade
Richards and Neal were best buds, you think if we kept Neal, would Richards of stayed? I love goose but it’s tough when Neal’s having the season he’s having
by 91_Stars_21 on Jan 22, 2012 1:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Lots of grass is always greener in the prospects
here. I don’t buy it. You need to develop them properly, and that takes time. And even then the majority are not going to work out in the NHL. And probably none will be a top D (maybe we have one) pair or true #1 line forward. I think we have a lot of very serviceable NHL guys right now that are just playing a bit too much high in the lineup. Don’t panic and throw the baby out with the bathwater. Take your time and look for the guys that you need (top pair D/#1 center) either in a doable trade or FA.
Take a quick look at the AHL standings
These prospects some are raving about are currently last in their division and 11th of 15 teams in their conference. They are suddenly going to move us into playoff contention in the next two years? And please, anyone below this level is not going to help us out in two years either.
Agree
With what you’re trying to say but not many of the prospects hoped to have a future impact in Dallas. Kind of helps your argument actually as it shows most of them are two plus years away fro the NHL.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 22, 2012 4:46 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Lets not give up on this team.
I think everybody needs to relax. Yes, the stars are currently on a five game losing streak, but we all knew they were gonna have trouble winning games with their number 1 an 2 centers out until the break. The stars are sitting 4 points out of a playoff spot right now with games in hand on the teams in the 8,9, and 10 spots and with the lowest payroll in the league, I’d say the stars are in a decent spot in mid january. Most of us didn’t expect great things from this club based on the talent of this roster and they have shown, at times, throughout the season, that they have the ability to make the playoffs if they buy in to the system and come to play every night. They’ll be getting Benny and Ribs back after the break and it’ll be time to get rolling again. We’ve gotta remember what this team is working with right now. We don’t have the talent of the payroll that Detroit or Vancouver has but its a process. Let’s keep our heads up and get ready for an exciting stretch for this team and its fans.

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