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Dallas Stars Zone Start Adjusted Scoring Chances

NASHVILLE, TN - JANUARY 05:  Brenden Morrow #10 and Trevor Daley #6 of the Dallas Stars congratulate Mike Ribeiro #63 on scoring a goal against the Nashville Predators at the Bridgestone Arena on January 5, 2012 in Nashville, Tennessee.  (Photo by Frederick Breedon/Getty Images)

Net scoring chances generated are useful numbers to look at to understand what happens when a given player is on the ice, but the raw number generates as many questions as it does answers. We've discussed contextual issues in this space before. Quality of Competition, Quality of Teammates, and Zone Starts intuitively impact scoring chances just like they impact Corsi and Fenwick. Does playing with better players put you in better position to generate a chance? It should. Does playing against good competition make it more difficult to generate a chance. Again, it should. Starting in the defensive zone instead of the offensive zone is definitely more difficult. Thinking that these factors make a difference and proving that they make a difference are two different matters.

Thanks to the work of George Ays of Blueshirt Banter we can apply an adjustment to the scoring chance data to account for Zone Starts. George has found that an even strength scoring chance that starts in the offensive zone is worth .425 scoring chances. His finding, and the equation he adapted from Adjusted Corsi, allow us to neutralize the impact of zone starts to see who is doing the most with their ice time.

The Stars have guarded their fourth line considerably this year. They've used the Vernon Fiddler, Eric Nystrom, and Radek Dvorak line in a checking capacity. The Jamie Benn line has generated the most net positive chances by far on the Stars. After the jump you'll find a chart (I made it pretty this time) of the Stars Adjusted Scoring Chances that will allow you to draw your own conclusions about how these particular lines are doing.

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EVSC+/-: Scoring Chances For - Scoring Chances Against
OZ%: Offensive Zone Faceoffs/Defensive Zone Faceoffs
Adj SC: Adjusted Scoring Chances
Adj SC/15: Adj SC per 15 minutes
Adj SC/60: Adj SC per 60 minutes

RANK POS NAME EVSC +/- OZ% Adj SC Adj SC/15 Adj SC/60 Corsi Rel QC
12 D BENN, JO 3 41.67 3.85 2.36 9.45 -0.404
1 F BENN, JA
67 47.12 75.93 1.88 7.52 0.74
2 F ERIKSSON 43 43.84 60.43 1.42 5.69 0.598
3 F RYDER 37 46.94 45.93 1.16 4.62 1.06
8 F PETERSEN 7 44.34 12.1 0.98 3.92 -2.107
14 F WATHIER -1 28.57 0.28 0.76 3.05 -1.834
5 D GOLIGOSKI 23 48.21 27.25 0.72 2.88 0.505
4 D ROBIDAS 10 43.93 29.98 0.72 2.88 1.291
6 F OTT 20 48.46 24.25 0.68 2.72 0.857
7 D DALEY 1 45.63 14.18 0.32 1.28 0.368
11 F DOWELL -2 44.83 4.38 0.29 1.16 -1.028
10 F WANDELL 1 46.82 5.68 0.25 0.99 -1.1
9 D SOURAY -14 43.65 6.4 0.16 0.65 1.076
13 F BURISH -4 45.91 1.53 0.08 0.31 -0.091
15 D PARDY 0 50.32 -0.43 -0.02 -0.08 -0.152
16 D GROSSMAN -15 45.83 -2.25 -0.05 -0.2 0.656
17 D FISTRIC -11 46.51 -3.35 -0.11 -0.43 -0.892
20 F RIBEIRO -20 48.14 -14.9 -0.38 -1.5 0.902
22 F DVORAK -28 46.23 -18.65 -0.54 -2.14 0.557
23 F MORROW -33 45.86 -22.8 -0.63 -2.54 0.915
19 D LARSEN -7 54.6 -13.38 -0.7 -2.79 -0.831
18 F FIDDLER -37 47.33 -30.20 -0.92 -3.70 0.592
24 F NYSTROM -33 47.67 -27.9 -0.94 -3.77 0.356
21 F VINCOUR -12 55.29 -15.83 -1.66 -6.65 -0.066

Quality of Competition and Zone Start data brought to you by Gabriel Desjardins' behindthenet.ca.

I sorted the chart by Adj Sc/60 to illustrate which players are being the most productive with their ice time. The big variable that isn't being adjusted for yet is Quality of Competition. I included each players' Corsi Relative Quality of Competition so you can at least see what it is

The Benn brothers top the chart, but the Jordie Benn contribution needs to be taken with a large grain of salt. He played in two games, and had a very low quality of competition. I would like to see more of him. When he was up he was very poised with the puck, and really impressed. He isn't really number one though. That recognition goes to Benn The Younger.

Enough isn't being made about the value of the Stars usual top line. Benn and Loui Eriksson have carried the Stars this season. They've been so good that the defensively challenged Michael Ryder is third in the rankings riding third wheel with them and cranking shots at will. The Benn trio's ranking reflects their dominance. They lead the Stars in chances generated, but they also don't give up much to the opposition. As you can see they draw tough checking assignments with their elevated Corsi Rel QoC. Despite this they're excelling.

All of your fourth line names are in the positive range. If they weren't they shouldn't be sniffing an NHL roster. They play limited minutes against very underwhelming competition. Toby Petersen, Francis Wathier, Jake Dowell, and Tom Wandell have an average -1.52 Quality of Competition which includes Wandell's rising rating given that he has been playing top minutes with Mike Ribeiro and Benn out of the lineup

The Stars top three defensemen all have their heads above water. Alex Goligoski, Stephane Robidas, and Trevor Daley all play against above average competition, but they're all generating more than they give up. Goligoski has come back to earth some since returning from his injury, but lately he's been rebounding.

The Stars bottom four defensemen come in a span of five spaces. Sheldon Souray, Adam Pardy, Nicklas Grossman, and Mark Fistric all come in between the one to negative one net chances per 60 minutes range. Souray is playing against very difficult competition on a nightly basis while breaking even. You can't argue with the production they've gotten from him, but he hasn't played to the level of a core player like the top three guys. When you factor in how often he puts the Stars shorthanded the picture becomes even clearer.

The other three guys have taken beatings this year. Pardy, Grossman, and Fistric have gotten lumped together at times this season for various reasons, but in particular turnovers and poor defensive coverage. Some have suggesting shopping Grossman due to his UFA status or just letting him leave period. It might happen, but it's worth pointing out that he's more valuable than either Pardy or Fistric. He's the Stars best penalty killer (not reflected in these stats). Pardy doesn't kill penalties, and Fistric plays fewer minutes a night than any other defender on the Stars. He's clearly on a tier ahead of either guy, but you still probably don't commit to him long-term if you can help it.

The bottom of the chart consists mostly of the Stars second and third lines. The Ribeiro line hasn't been good this year. Early on they were getting torched defensively on a nightly basis. The line stabilized a bit over the past few months, but they're the Stars weakest defensive line. They play against difficult competition, and as the season has gone on Morrow has drifted to the point where he's taking more defensive zone draws than any other top nine forward outside of Loui Eriksson. That isn't a recipe for success

Finally, we get to the beloved third line. They're over-matched as a unit most nights. I've discussed the Nystrom shooting percentage issue before. It's now dropped to 18.6. He's scored three goals in his past 19 games, a 13 goal pace. They don't create much any offense, and defensively they're ok. They shouldn't be mistaken with a shutdown checking line. They're guys that don't kill you who bring some special teams value. There's certainly nothing wrong with that, but it's lacking compared to other third lines in the league. I think they're a really good fourth line playing further up than they should due to the Stars well documented depth and financial problems.

This ended up a little longer than I was anticipating, but hopefully it was informative. The main ideas behind all of this are that without Benn and Eriksson the Stars would be in significant trouble. The Stars have two core-type defensemen in Goligoski and Daley (Robidas being out due to age). Finally, Souray and the third line haven't performed as well as it appears at first glance. A chart like this might not be a bad place to start when identifying which core pieces the Stars should move forward with if they are in fact about to move toward the next phase of the franchise starting with the upcoming trade deadline. If you have any questions leave a comment or follow me and send a tweet my way at the link below.


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He got buried when he played with Ribeiro and Morrow

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by Josh Lile on Jan 19, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Forward the link to GM Joe

Not only would it reinforce what he probably already knows, but he can pass along the chart colors to Gags as guide for a new uni.

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lol...true.....:)

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by k9mike on Jan 19, 2012 1:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Is it easier to read?

That was the main goal.

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by Josh Lile on Jan 19, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, it's awesome.

I’d be interested in a post at some point that focuses on relative corsi and QualComp — I can’t remember if you’ve done that or not.

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by Brandon Worley on Jan 19, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Very cool job,

and love your analysis of what the numbers indicate too!

Is the chart supposed to be in colors? Cause for me it is just B&W.

OZ%- since only a handful of players are over 50% this must infer that the team as a whole has more defensive zone starts than offensive. What is the overall team% to get a clearer idea of who is depended on in the defensive zone. Also, any idea how the team number stacks up to the league or is this even a meaningful number in its own right?

The Ribero line has the hardest Corsi Rel QC numbers of the forwards. Does this mean the opposition has been playing them as the #1 line? Of course the RelQC # really indicates who has the biggest shot differential, right? So would this would indicate they are on the ice against the other teams biggest threats, not necessarily the other teams best checking line? So maybe this is more indicative of other teams trying to get their best scoring threats on the ice against the Ribero line and Gully is not responding quick enough to get better defenders out? IDK! I feel like I am running in circles now! lol

In my mind I felt Daley had moved in front of Robi as our #2 D. Those strength of competition numbers probably change my mind. Robi/Souray look like they are always drawing the toughest assignment. Though in Daleys favor, he hasn’t drawn a real strong partner the last few years … and he is still putting up good numbers. Maybe that indicates how much the coaching staff trusts him?

I swear, I can talk myself in circles looking at numbers like these!

by 1paniolo on Jan 19, 2012 3:41 PM CST reply actions  

As if I didn't put a big enough wall of text!

At first glance I thought I would prefer a AdjSC/20min so it would match up with a period. But on reflection I prefer the AdjSC/15 cause it more closely matches the avg time most forwards play, so it’s fairly close to chances/game for most forwards.

Lastly, an analysis like this for the struggling power play might be interesting. Though RelQC is probably not relevent on the pp, nor offensive zone start. Actually, SC may not even be the best stat to analyze pp?

by 1paniolo on Jan 19, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure, there are ways to do it.

You could use scoring chances to figure out who the Stars most productive power play players are. You would just have different expectations for production than at even strength.

The problem (with any of this) is comparing it to the rest of the league because data is so sparse. I think you’d be better off looking at each team at a macro level to see how they’re performing than trying to look at individual players as a starting point because of the data.

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by Josh Lile on Jan 19, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

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OZ%- since only a handful of players are over 50% this must infer that the team as a whole has more defensive zone starts than offensive. What is the overall team% to get a clearer idea of who is depended on in the defensive zone. Also, any idea how the team number stacks up to the league or is this even a meaningful number in its own right?

League wide would be pretty constant. I could find it pretty quickly, but the key thing with zone starts is how they’re distributed. Everyone on the Stars is under 50%. Thats….weird. It’s some mix of coaching, getting outshot consistently, icing the puck, taking too many penalties (and the faceoff automatically coming to your end).

As far as who they try to use defensively…they call the Fiddler line a checking line. It’s hard to really call any line anything in particular because there is no usage pattern.

The Ribero line has the hardest Corsi Rel QC numbers of the forwards. Does this mean the opposition has been playing them as the #1 line? Of course the RelQC # really indicates who has the biggest shot differential, right? So would this would indicate they are on the ice against the other teams biggest threats, not necessarily the other teams best checking line? So maybe this is more indicative of other teams trying to get their best scoring threats on the ice against the Ribero line and Gully is not responding quick enough to get better defenders out? IDK! I feel like I am running in circles now! lol

I emboldened the part that’s right. Corsi Relative Quality of Competition measures the shot differential of the opposition. If they’re going against lines that generate a ton of shots they usually aren’t going to be checking lines. Teams, overall, are keying in on the Ribeiro line as a place to attack. Benn/Eriksson see secondary units/checking units, and slay them.

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