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2012 NHL Trade Deadline: Dallas Stars Should Be Cautiously Smart

As we approach the NHL Trade Deadline at the end of February, we find ourselves in a new situation as fans of the Dallas Stars. For the first time in three years there is no longer talk of limited budgets or assets, or how any move the Stars make cannot add a significant amount of salary -- or even add salary at all.

The horizontal nature of any discussions on this topic over the past few years has been frustrating beyond belief, with it painfully obvious that the Stars needed to add significant pieces to the team in order to make the push for the postseason. While our focus is always inevitably on the present and on what lies ahead at the end of this season, there is also the fact that certain trades can set up a team long term -- adding vital pieces of the future in the middle of a season.

The ability of the Dallas Stars to pull off such a trade hasn't existed since the waning years of Tom Hicks' ownership and over the course of the past few years has turned the Dallas Stars into a team fighting with mediocrity and blown chances at the postseason. While trades alone wouldn't have helped, the limitations placed on free agency and big trades is something we've become all to familiar with over the past few seasons.

Now, with Tom Gaglardi running this franchise and Joe Nieuwendyk finally given the ability to build this team like it needs to be, the Stars find themselves in some welcome but unfamiliar territory. Fans have been asking ever since the sale was finalized what trades the Stars could do in order to "make a splash", driving more interest into the team and setting the Stars up better for the postseason.

As with any long-lasting decision, caution should be exercised as the Stars prepare to once again play with the big boys in the NHL.

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The limitations placed upon Nieuwendyk and this team over the past few years has had a very interesting effect on the team and it's system of prospects. With the Stars forced to abandon the "build through free agency" model that had existed throughout the 2000's, Nieuwendyk took a new approach -- one that has set up this franchise beautifully for the future.

Knowing just how important prospects and draft picks are, Nieuwendyk has transformed the Dallas Stars farm system from perhaps the worst in the NHL three years ago to arguably one of the top 5 today a system that is much, much more promising than before (better?). While having a few top ten picks has helped, it's been the ability of the Stars to find significant prospects in the latter rounds that has really helped the most.

This spring, the Stars find themselves just a few months away from a significant number of those prospects turning pro and starting their journey to the NHL. The future of this team -- potentially -- is very, very bright. The Stars have a very solid core to build around and they have a number of prospects on the way to create a solid foundation for a very good hockey team.

Yet the Stars are still missing certain key pieces, ones that not only would help this team now -- this season -- but also for the future.

The Stars desperately need a proven scoring winger to compliment Jamie Benn and Loui Eriksson. The Stars addressed this with the addition of Michael Ryder, but with the decline of Brenden Morrow and the limited offense of Steve Ott, the Stars still need more depth in the top two lines to truly take that "next step".

There is also a serious lack of depth at center, perhaps the biggest need for this team moving forward. Jamie Benn has improved dramatically this season in his transition to the position, but the addition of another top six center -- especially with Ribeiro's contract expiring after next season -- would go a long way towards helping build this team into a contender. Considering the fact that the Stars do not have a true center amongst their top prospects and it becomes clear that this is something of a dire need.

What about a trade, however? What value is available for the Stars by making a move this season at a time when the prices for big-name players are at their absolute highest point? The Stars are going to be fighting for the playoffs and making the postseason this year is incredibly important for the new ownership, but at what cost would it be worth it for the Stars to make that big move now?

Four years ago the Dallas Stars, led by GMs Les Jackson and Brett Hull, traded for Brad Richards. Giving up Jussi Jokinen, Jeff Halpern, Mike Smith and a 4th round pick, the Stars traded for one of the top centers in the NHL and someone who was supposed to be the cornerstone of this franchise for years to come.

Yet, as we all know, things didn't work out that way. While Richards was good with Dallas, they missed the postseason three years in a row and Richards left for the bright lights of the Big Apple. What's even more interesting is what remains of the assets Tampa Bay received after trading away such a vital piece of their organization.

Teddy Purcel and prospect Brock Beubeboom are all that is left from that trade for Tampa Bay. All three players are no longer with the organization, with Mike Smith finding new life in Phoenix and Jussi Jokinen enjoying a very good career in Carolina.

It's proof that no big trade, even one for the future, has the promise of working out for all involved. The prices at this time of year become ridiculously high, and you wonder what the price would be for the Stars to try and acquire a player that has that same potential Brad Richards did four years back.

What's interesting is that Nieuwendyk has proven he's not afraid of making trades mid-season, especially when you consider that two major assets on this team -- Kari Lehtonen and Alex Goligoski -- were both traded for in early February. The trade for Lehtonen was near-genius, while the price for Goligoski was certainly a hefty one to pay.

This year, the Stars have the assets and the financial ability to trade for a big name -- although there are only a few names really being mentioned right now that should interest the Stars. There's also the fact that most big-name players have expiring contracts at the end of this season; something that should worry a team that is so focused on building for the future, not just this season alone.

The Stars have the ability to make the trades, but not the absolute imperative need to do so. There will be more options in free agency this summer and with the Stars looking at all the cap room on the planet to work with, conventional wisdom says this team should wait until July to really make that big splash.

Yet making the postseason this year is vital to bringing back the fans; I wonder just how risky the Stars are willing to get in order to make the chances of that happening even better than they are now.

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I don't see NJ trading Parise before the deadline...

NJ is currently 6th in the EC and moving up. For them to trade ZP now would show the fans (the limited ones they still have) they are giving up. The Devils are in serious financial problems and need to cut payroll, but to quit while in a playoff race is insanity. This is very similar to what Dallas faced with Richards last year. I think Lou keeps ZP and tries to make a deep playoff run. I think they go after more investors in the off season and try to re-sign him. If they can’t, they will trade his rights at the draft and get picks/prospects. I think Dallas has a better chance of getting him and signing him then.
Dallas’ focus before the deadline should be forwards that are upgrades to what we have right now. We don’t have the assets find a #1 d-man or top 6 forward (unless Joe pulls off a miracle). If we can’t find any, I’m ok with waiting until the off season and FA.

by fivefourfighting on Jan 18, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I too wonder how far they'll go

to solidify playoff chances.

Gaglardi pretty much said the playoffs were a must, and I think they need to do something to make that happen. But how much.

I guess we’ll find out in the 4-5 weeks.

I’ll be disappointed if they do nothing and just ride the current mediocre roster to the end of the season and a probably 10th place finish.

by cms1171 on Jan 18, 2012 12:53 PM CST reply actions  

Farm System

I think it’s a major stretch to think the Stars have a top 5 system, let alone a top 15 system. They have some higher potential ceiling guys, but an amount of higher risk comes with that. That being said, the Stars don’t have the minor league talent to outbid other teams for any impact NHL level players and the Stars are not really a playoff team now. The best move in my opinion would be to commit to a youth movement, move out some of the older guys that would be role players for Cup contenders, add more talent to the system and put the team in a position to acquire better amateur talent.

by rfergus31 on Jan 18, 2012 1:18 PM CST reply actions  

I think they should do that as well as go for a guy like Parise.

He’s still young and combined with Benn and Eriksson, we’d have a very potent top line to build around.

I realize that we supposedly don’t have the pieces with which to land a guy like Parise, but we don’t really know that. Who we think is valuable and who NJ thinks is valuable may not be the same.

by Travis Drybread on Jan 18, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes. Jack Campbell.

And maybe someone like Grossman or a 2-3rd rounder and it’s probably a done deal. New Jersey’s primary target is young goaltending. Campbell’s still 2-3 years away though, so that might shy them away.

At the same time Joe was adamant that Jack wasn’t just a top goaltending prospect, but also a franchise player. He probably isn’t ready to ship that kind of upside out just yet.

by FBI36th on Jan 18, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Any Jack Campbell++ for Parise

…will be trumped with a package from Minnesota involving Harding++. Minnie needs the offense with their injuries to Koivu and the like and will be willing to deal Harding to bring a local boy (born in Minnie) to their squad.

by Dallas_Stars74 on Jan 18, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

if Campbell was the main piece in a trade for Parise I’d be thrilled. Unfortunately I dont think he has near that kind of value right now.

by TimAH on Jan 18, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Campbell would only be a piece

Campbell+ vincour+ a fringe prospect+ some kind of pick that turns into a first if he resigns would be around what I expect

by can we get hatcher back on Jan 18, 2012 2:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Campbell+ vincour+ a fringe prospect for a guy who most likely will not sign here after this season is over? Worth the risk?

Why do you think Parise will sign with Dallas if he does not sign with Devils? If the guy does not sign with his current team he is most likely targeting free agency (see Richards, Brad). There will be plenty of teams offering him boatloads of money this summer. Plus Devils are in the playoffs picture. If, if they decide to trade him, they would want someone to contribute now and in future (and this is not Jack Campbell). If they know they can’t sign him for sure, they most likely would ship him to the Kings for Bernier and one/two good young players.

by Supernova10 on Jan 18, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Wedgewood

They’ve got 19 year old Scott Wedgewood in their system that just played pretty well in net for Team Canada in the world juniors, so who knows what they’d want. I still wouldn’t trade prospects or pics for a guy that may head somewhere else.

by LittleBallOfHate on Jan 18, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

The fact is

Some of us wouldn’t be able to stomach parting with someone like Morrow in order to add picks and shore up the system even more.

We’re willing to give up guys like Pardy, Wandell, Bachman, maybe even Grossman. But, in reality, we won’t get anything for those guys.

Bottom line is, we’d have to give up a valuable asset or two – including picks and prospects – to land anyone who can make an immediate impact.

It don’t think it will happen, but I’d rather be a seller at the deadline than a buyer – perhaps sacrificing a shot at the playoffs in return for the possibility of becoming stronger in one to two years.

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by Mike Russo on Jan 18, 2012 1:41 PM CST reply actions  

id be willing to trade the following:

bachman/fistric/grossman/robidas/ribeiro/pardy/morrow/campbell/glennie/and one of our studly forward prospects of smith/fraser/forgot other guys name

at the end of the day, i want the dallas stars to be good. i will always fondly remember any player who bled for the stars, but I will more fondly remember a playoff team.

GO STARS!

by starshorns on Jan 18, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd shop anyone not under contract for next year plus vets.

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by Josh Lile on Jan 18, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I assumed that would be pretty obvious.

Benn/Eriksson/Vincour/Daley/Larsen are guys I wouldn’t consider moving due to some combination of talent/contract status/entry level deals.

I’d listen on Lehtonen and Goligoski, but probably don’t make those moves unless the returns are ridiculous. I think you can survive with Bachman so I’d be more likely to move him than Goligoski. A little concerned about Goligoski’s long term value at this point, but not overly.

I’d put anyone else out there.

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by Josh Lile on Jan 18, 2012 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Parise is quite a risk

hard to guarantee he stays this season, itd be awesome if we could land him and lock him up long term. there are a wealth of other names out there that could be available. heres my list!

Frans Nielsen i think he could step in and step up in our system, hed be easier to get than parise, and might be easier to convince to sign long term.

or how about Derek Roy? he is signed through next season and the sabres are tanking hard, would have a steep price but would help out this team so much. he also doesnt have a NTC (i was surprised too)

other names: Brandon Sutter, Bryan little, Nikolai Kulemin, greg zanon, luca sbisa, Sam Gagner, Michael Grabovski, Jordan Leopold

just throwin some names out there, im sure Joe has something up his sleeve

by Long Island on Jan 18, 2012 1:42 PM CST reply actions  

Ugh

Just say no to any Sabres. One prime example of taking a risk by overspending and having nothing to show for it.

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by Mike Russo on Jan 18, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

yes they are

but paying $4Million for a Derek Roy’s contract year isnt unreasonable and we would have first dibs on the prime of his career.

buffalo should be looking to clear some space, so the price might not hit our roster that hard

by Long Island on Jan 18, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Morrow

Why not part with a 33 year old player not playing to his historical level that won’t be around anyways if/when the Stars contend in the future?

Morrow
Ryder
Ribeiro
Grossman

All of the above can bring value

by rfergus31 on Jan 18, 2012 2:06 PM CST reply actions  

That would suck.

But I want to see him win a championship for sure. Lately it seems a change of scenery is something he could use. I don’t know, that’s an emotional attachment right there!

by FBI36th on Jan 18, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Because Morrow has a full NTC

And the hoopla that would result in asking the captain of the team, while in a playoff race, to waive that NTC would be incredible.

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by Brandon Worley on Jan 18, 2012 2:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Wait, wait wait....

but what if we…. stay with me now….

what if we…. traded Morrow?

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by Tsudbury on Jan 18, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Genius!!

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by EagleBelf on Jan 18, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

What? they're moving Morrow?

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by Tsudbury on Jan 18, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably

It’s not like he has a full no movement clause or anything.

by Brad Gardner on Jan 18, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Why would someone even mention Ribiero's name when talking about a trade much less Morrow's?

He’s not young anymore but it’s not like he’s 38 or something. Plus the NTC.

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by T-rom on Jan 18, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's pick up someone good...

And then trade away some guys that are not as good. Can we do that?

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by EagleBelf on Jan 18, 2012 2:54 PM CST reply actions  

I think that's a great idea!

I wonder if Joe has considered that.

by cms1171 on Jan 18, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know

That’s pretty forward thinking on my part if I do say so myself.

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by EagleBelf on Jan 18, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Plus a few first round picks in return

Then we could trade THOSE for more good players. It’s really pretty easy.

by jabudi on Jan 18, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Trade ideas that get thrown around the internet around this time of year always draw me offsides.

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by Josh Lile on Jan 18, 2012 3:03 PM CST reply actions  

lol

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by Tsudbury on Jan 18, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

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by EagleBelf on Jan 18, 2012 7:44 PM CST up reply actions  

You had me at...

…“arguably one of the top 5 today.” HF’s rankings puts us at 22, and that too post-Glennie, Campbell, Chiasson, Vincour, and Oleksiak. Maybe they are a little too harsh on us, but their harshness doesn’t come close to your “homerized” assessment of our prospect pool.

by Dallas_Stars74 on Jan 18, 2012 3:20 PM CST reply actions  

those rankings take into account the ones that are ready to make the jump to nhl more than anything, i believe.

Our “top 5” is a couple years behind that.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 18, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

probably.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 18, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Hence...uh...the "arguable" part.

Look…the HF rankings — to me — are very harsh.

I also agree that most of my feelings about the farm system have a lot to do with long-term potential, while current rankings are more short term than that.

Perhaps I’m guilty of a bit of hyperbole.

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by Brandon Worley on Jan 18, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

there's no real measuring stick for them though.

they are completely subjective.

That’s what makes them so fun.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 18, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

"Perhaps I’m guilty of a bit of hyperbole."

That you are and that’s why I called you out.

Also to answer Tsudbury: I don’t think there is no “real measuring stick” or that these assessments are entirely subjective. Offensive acumen, passing skills, skating speed, goalie reflex, good glove hand, stick-handling, and being NHL-ready (something Tsudbury seems to underplay) are good yardsticks for assessment.

That said, quality-wise and NHL-ready wise (in that order), we have a lot of teams beating us on both parameters.

by Dallas_Stars74 on Jan 18, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

who said I was underplaying it?

NHL ready is a great thing to have. And we don’t right now. But if you focus solely on the prospects that are 2-3 years away, we have a pretty good list.

And of course they’re subjective. Can you really rank a hard slap shot over a sick wrister? Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Not to mention people’s metal abilities are subjective as well. Some player may have all the natural talent in the world, but if he can’t think the game, he’s not going to be as good as others.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 18, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

One issue is that the 2 of the top 3 picks by the Stars the past few years aren't big offensive guys.

One’s a goalie and the other is a defensive, gargantuan defenseman with an underrated hockey sense on offense.

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by Brandon Worley on Jan 18, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I wonder where Oleksiak will be on the team rankings after this season.

Making it to team canada and the top 4 before the end of the WJC is quite impressive, IMO

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by Tsudbury on Jan 18, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

He'll be #1 on the Stars and a back end of the top 50 in the league guy.

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by Josh Lile on Jan 18, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

man i hope thats a joke.

or just wrong.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 18, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope.

Not enough offensive upside.

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by Brandon Worley on Jan 18, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

sigh

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by Tsudbury on Jan 18, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Why would that be a joke?

He hasn’t proven nearly enough offensively to suggest that he should be higher.

He’s a project, albeit one with a high ceiling.

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by Josh Lile on Jan 18, 2012 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

You used a double negative in your post there.

…oh…I thought we were pointing out everyone’s mistakes.

My bad.

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by EagleBelf on Jan 18, 2012 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Also -- the HF Rankings are from Nov. 22nd.

Not exactly very current.

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by Brandon Worley on Jan 18, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah what's up with that anyways?

do they just update once a year?

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by Tsudbury on Jan 18, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

How current...

…do you want them to be? Every hour on the hour? :D

by Dallas_Stars74 on Jan 18, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

once a month would satiate me.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 18, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

No.

I mean, you’re citing a ranking that doesn’t take into account most of this current season.

Because the Stars have had certain prospects rising (Stransky, Smiths) that don’t get mentioned — at all. They have Alex Chiasson as one of the top 3 in the organization, yet Reilly Smith and Austin Smith have become two of the top players in the NCAA this year.

It’s all fluid and it’s all very, very subjective.

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by Brandon Worley on Jan 18, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok...so, let's regroup here.

I pay very, very close attention to the Dallas Stars prospects. I pay a retarded amount of money to watch online feeds of them, all of that. I also see where other team’s prospects fall in the pecking order as well.

The reason I would argue against myself (and I did say “arguably” in the article) is that the Stars lack a true “flashy” offensive power house like Etem, Kadri, etc in the CHL.

The NCAA prospects get forgotten all time and rarely are held to the same standard. There’s reasons for this. For one, it’s generally considered that a player’s NHL value is .41 of his NCAA point total per game. The NCAA guys don’t put up monstrous numbers….the best player in college hockey last season had 71 points in 39 games. This season, he has 27 points in 32 games…in the AHL.

So, the NCAA guys aren’t held to the same standard as the CHL players, which is understandable.

The HF rankings love high offense and the Stars are very short on that at the CHL level, with the exception of Matej Stransky — who had yet to really catch fire back in November.

So, while I agree with the premise of the rankings….I don’t agree with the ranking itself.

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by Brandon Worley on Jan 18, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I did say...

“but I see what you are saying.” I don’t follow NCAA hockey much, let alone know the “conversion factor.”

“The HF rankings love high offense and the Stars are very short on that at the CHL level,”

Seeing as I am FUCKING TIRED of seeing the the usual grinding forwards like Ott, Vincour, in the system, I’d prefer we have the offensive guys.

by Dallas_Stars74 on Jan 18, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok...two things.

Lay off on the cursing.

I agree with you. I think you and I are almost arguing the same thing, and my long ass response above was me arguing against myself and in favor of you.

I’m with you. I love Vincour. But the Stars need serious offensive talent, especially at center.

There are some good forwards coming with serious offensive talent, but who knows how that will translate from the NCAA to the AHL and the NHL.

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by Brandon Worley on Jan 18, 2012 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry for the cuss...

….but it was not directed at you. More of a frustrated response to an oft-seen phenomenon with our franchise, that’s all.

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No worries.

I never cuss. I’m perfect.

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by Brandon Worley on Jan 18, 2012 5:42 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

This is me right now.

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by Brandon Worley on Jan 18, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

This.

It’s fun to argue. Especially when both sides are presenting actual arguments.

Like I said above…. that’s what the rankings are all about. In the end, they don’t mean diddly doo. All that matters is the team you actually put on the ice, and how productive they are there.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 18, 2012 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Vincour isn't a grinding forward.

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by Josh Lile on Jan 18, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

To be fair on Austin Smith.

He’s older than Benn.

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by Josh Lile on Jan 18, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

And I’ve mentioned that almost everytime I bring up his big season, so I cover myself there.

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by Brandon Worley on Jan 18, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't mean you in particular.

Just in general. I’m a much bigger Reilly Smith fan.

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by Josh Lile on Jan 18, 2012 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

theyve certainly improved in the last few years but yeah far from top 5 imo. There are certainly some guys who could step up and become great NHLers but middle of the pack is more likely.

by TimAH on Jan 18, 2012 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I know we would like more of a shut-down, Kesleresque center to complement Benn

But what about someone like David Krejci? The Bruins have Seguin, Peverley, Kelly, and Campbell at this point (as well as Savard if he ever plays again, which is unlikely). He just signed a new contract, but the Bruins are certainly in a position to be able to move him.

by GCO on Jan 18, 2012 3:53 PM CST reply actions  

That would be tough.

He’s signed for $5.25 a season and puts up around 60-70 points. Would be interesting…it’s not exactly a bad contract. He’s not very “splashy” though.

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by Brandon Worley on Jan 18, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

neither was Ryder, but that turned out to be a pretty good move.

Maybe we can apply the same principles to Krejci?

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by Tsudbury on Jan 18, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

"He’s not very "splashy" though."

…but an great puck-passer with a deceptively quick shot, who quietly goes about his business, ala Eriksson.

by Dallas_Stars74 on Jan 18, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not really sure what the Bruins would want for him, though. I'm not sure they want or need to trade him.

They’re well below the cap, with no need to negotiate with Seguin for another year. If Seguin is fine playing wing, then they may never move Krejci.

by GCO on Jan 18, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I wouldn't say I'd love to have him.

But the Stars would have to make a trade for him, which is the “tough” part.

Of course, outside of Parise and a few others, the names at center on the open market this summer are very, very slim.

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by Brandon Worley on Jan 18, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Last night I had asked...

What everyone thought about Morrow for Derek Roy… Roy is a playmaking center who could pair very well with Benn and another winger (Ryder or Erkisson). We could then put Ott and Ryder or Eriksson with Ribs…

I like Roy because he’s young, struggling, and potentially available. He’s shown that he’s got offensive capability on a team that’s been offensively challenged for years. He’s also got one year remaining on a $4m contract, so he’s affordable.

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by dmoore44 on Jan 18, 2012 5:09 PM CST reply actions  

i thought of Roy as a good target too

and he might not cost us the captain, if buffalo is smart (big if) there going to be looking to dump some cap space and morrow for roy would not do that, unless we also take on one of their big contracts. out of thier big contracts i dont see them trading leino or erhnhoff so soon, i dont think they would move myers, pominville or vanek, so that leaves us with regehr who has a NTC , Boyes, Hecht or Stafford. (i also wouldnt mind picking up leopold)

what im trying to say is that to acquire Roy it wouldnt be just as much about players and skills as it would be about numbers. we would have to take on 8-9 million and send them 4-5 million

by Long Island on Jan 18, 2012 8:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Go for biggest splash in the Summer

I think the best thing for Joe to do is go for the biggest splash in the Summer guys like Parise, Weber, Sutor, etc. As for the trade deadline if we could get some depth in the top two lines it should help the team grab an 8th spot. Maybe trade to Philly for a forward, Hartnell, Simmonds, or Briere? They’re looking for defense, possibly trade Fistric/Grossman and a 2nd? Carolina’s Tuomo Ruutu? Edmonton’s looking for defense we could use Gagne or Hemsky. Anyway, soon Burke in Toronto will make his statement move, and the rest of the GM herd will start placing bets and making trades. Atleast it seems that way every year.

by darksidecowboy on Jan 18, 2012 5:14 PM CST reply actions  

Philly will not deal...

Hartnell or Simmonds, and I ‘m not keen on taking Briere’s cap-hit at his age, although his actual salary, I hear, isn’t that bad.

by Dallas_Stars74 on Jan 18, 2012 5:42 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Stefan Noesen

might be a player of interest. Noesen was Ottawa’s first round pick last year and is in the OHL right now. He’s a local guy who’s trained with the Stars before. He’s been compared to the likes of C. Perry. Hopefully Noesen doesn’t.

by hrothgar606 on Jan 18, 2012 5:21 PM CST reply actions  

but what does Ottawa want?

What would you be willing to give up?

by sundancekid on Jan 18, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Bachman, Fraser, and we'll throw Pardy in there too.

Honestly I’m not that great at assessing trade value, but given Ottawa’s needs this is a ballpark estimate of what we might be acceptable.

Ottawa’s got the cupboards stocked with defenseman, particularly offensively-minded ones. As for forwards, the Sens are currently a bit lacking in skill. They just acquired Turris and have Stone and Zibanejad developing in other leagues, but Alfredsson isn’t a spring chicken anymore. As for goalies, Anderson’s on a tear and they have Lehner in the minors, but their NHL backup Auld has been terrible this season.

I figure this will help Ottawa with backup goaltending, offensive skill, and maybe actual defending.

by hrothgar606 on Jan 18, 2012 7:53 PM CST reply actions  

I can't imagine they'd be interested in that.

Pardy isn’t going to have any value. Lehner, as you pointed out, is in the AHL. If they aren’t satisfied with Auld they could just recall Lehner. So that leaves you with their recent 1st round pick for a no defense F in Fraser.

I like Fraser and I think he could have some trade value, but I don’t see why Ottawa would do that. Prospect for prospect trades like that are rare as is. I think you’d need to be making a significant roster upgrade if you’re Ottawa to consider moving anyone you view as part of the core going forward.

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by Josh Lile on Jan 19, 2012 12:08 AM CST up reply actions  

If anything, use Pardy as a chip like we did Niskanen...

…solely as a salary dump.

Of course, that means we’d have to wait for the offseason to move him, but I’d still rather see his salary be spent on deserving raises and new contracts this summer, most notably for Benn’s new deal and maybe another two years for Souray. That, and any wiggle room we could get to make a big signing would be welcome, as well.

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by ex_seraphim (Angelou del Angel) on Jan 19, 2012 12:54 AM CST up reply actions  

If anything, I don't see Parise or anyone of that name recognition coming here via trade.

What I DO see, however, is another trade along the lines of the Goligoski swap, for a talented but undervalued piece on a team that is stacked at that particular position…such as if we could pry someone like Andrew Cogliano away from Anaheim. He’s speedy but undersized, and so has to play behind Koivu and Getzlaf on their depth chart.

Think back….how many of us had heard of Goose before the trade? He was a gem buried in the Pittsburgh lineup. I’m pretty sure something like that is what Nieuwendyk is REALLY looking for…someone who has the potential to play bigger minutes than his current team can give him. As for Cogliano, it’s not hard to see the Ducks being sellers, and his price might be reasonable.

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by ex_seraphim (Angelou del Angel) on Jan 19, 2012 12:27 AM CST reply actions  

Cogliano

I thought similar when he was with Edmonton. I’ve had the opportunity to see him play a lot, as I live in Edmonton (unfortunately). Cogliano was once thought to be a skilled, yet undersized forward and he has great speed. But I wouldn’t expect him to be the sole catalyst for an offensive charge into the playoffs- should we make it. I think Tom Wandell is almost a similar player, in some ways. He could play a 3rd line role for us, sure, but if we pulled the trigger on that trade, I’d hope something else was coming alongside.

As unlikely as it may be, how about Emerson Etim? Plays for the Tigers, where Willie Desjardins had a lot of influence and success as GM/Coach… Of course, I’d probably prefer Bobby Ryan.

by Chris Barnard on Jan 19, 2012 12:38 AM CST reply actions  

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