Gameday Preview: Dallas Stars Host Detroit Red Wings (7:30pm CST)
The Stars come in looking to avenge 1-0 loss last night in St. Louis to the Blues. Dallas played a competitive game and fought the (now) league leading Blues to a stand still through 50 minutes but Oshie got the game winner and Halak shut the door. The Stars tried to take the positives from it with their two centers out in Jamie Benn and Mike Ribeiro.
"We were one shot away. Give St. Louis credit," said Adam Burish after the game. "That’s a good hockey team. But that is the kind of game going forward, with the injuries we have and what we’re going through, that’s how we have to play. I think overall we can be positive about it."
They won't have much time to reflect the good or the bad in a back to back situation. The Stars have dropped their first six games on the second night of a back to back this year, including a 5-2 loss to these Red Wings on November 12th. They've been outscored 24-8 in this situation and have seven additional back to back sessions remaining this year after tonight to make 14 overall.
Detroit cruised to an easy 5-0 win in Buffalo and also traveled last night. In their last visit to the American Airlines Center they defeated the Stars 5-4 in a wild back and forth game. Dallas trailed 3-1 at the end of the first period. All four Stars goals cut a two goal lead to one but the Wings answered every time to preserve their victory.
Kari Lehtonen was spectacular last nigh but Richard Bachman is scheduled to get the start for Dallas. His first and only back to back start for the Stars this year was one month ago in New Jersey: a 6-3 loss.
Much more on each team after the jump...
The Stars:
Dallas wanted to play a low scoring game and did just that in St. Louis, holding the Blues to the perimeter more often than not and giving Kari Lehtonen much in the way of low quality shots to stop, though he equaled some pretty difficult ones as well. The Blues play that style habitually anyway. The Red Wings are a different animal and keeping this score down could prove more challenging.
"I liked the work ethic," said Gulutzan. "We didn't create a whole ton, but we worked hard and, for the most part, we were fairly stingy."
The 'not creating a whole ton' part is what might get the Stars into trouble if they fall behind early again to the Wings. Dallas has just one goal in their last six periods of play now.
Another thing that might lead to more possession is faceoffs. The Stars won just 38% of their draws last night. Their top two centers now are Tom Wandell and Vernon Fiddler. Wandell lost 7 of 10 and Fiddler lost 13 of 16. Ott and Burish won a combined 12 of 20 and held their own, but were playing on the same line at even strength. If it continues to be an issue can the coaching staff afford to shuffle the lines just based on that?
Mike Heika reported last night that Tomas Vincour could be ready to go tonight if needed. He missed 14 games with a knee injury and has not practiced with the team, but he is close and could be an option if they decide to shake things up again. Vernon Fiddler and Radek Dvorak both appeared to be shaken up last night, as did Sheldon Souray, so we'll keep a close eye on the injury situation moving forward. Philip Larsen is getting close to returning as well.
From Stars PR: The Stars have had over 15,000 fans in seven of the eight home games since Tom Galgardi reduced ticket prices throughout all of American Airlines Center. In those eight games, the Stars are averaging 15,781 fans in the building, which is a 37.6% increase over Dallas' first 14 home games.
Again, Richard Bachman is expected to get the start in net.
The Red Wings:
Like the Blues, the Wings are unbeatable at home going 17-2-1 thus far in their own building. On the road, however, they have been inconsistent all year long. They're 11-13-0 (though they did win in Dallas) overall away from home and 5-8-0 over their last 13. They've managed just one road power play goal in their last nine games.
Last night's victory was a team record 15th straight at Joe Louis Arena. Jimmy Howard started last night for the Wings and could again tonight. Else it will be Ty Conklin in net. The Wings killed three Buffalo power play opportunities while failing to score on four of their own.
Unlike the Stars they're relatively healthy with just Mike Commodore and Patrick Eaves listed on their injury report. Here's their projected lineup:
Franzen-Datsyuk-Bertuzzi
Filppula-Zetterberg-Hudler
Miller-Helm-Cleary
Emmerton-Abdelkader-Holmstrom
Lidstrom-White
Kronwall-Stuart
Kindl-Ericsson
SB Nation blog Winging it in Motown has more on the Wings win last night...
Henrik Zetterberg built off a strong third period against Chicago by opening the scoring for the Wings. After drawing a penalty earlier in the period, he pounced on a Sabres turnover in the offensive zone. His wrist shot tipped of a Sabre defenseman's stick and over Ryan Miller's glove to give the Wings an early lead.
The last few minutes of the first became the Pavel Datsyuk show. First he sprung Johan Franzen with another backhand pass, and Mule made no mistake by going top corner on Miller. Then with 17 seconds left in the period, his saucer pass landed on the stick of Todd Bertuzzi, who put a shot on net. Miller made the save, but Nicklas Lidstrom buried the rebound in a play that was eerily similar to something I've seen before, although I can't place the memory. For the second straight meeting, the Wings had a 3-goal lead on the Sabres and appeared to be off to the races.
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and i already have a bad feeling about this one. We need forwards to step up and do their jobs
Bachman should play well.
And he will need to. The Stars haven’t played very well against the Wings this year.
"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."
All I want for my birthday is a regulation win by the Stars.
Is that too much to ask?
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
He didn't even show up the last two years he played for us. :D
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
but, but....
modano!
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Ha ha ha! As Indiana Jones said in the Last Crusade...
“It BELONGS in a MUSEUM!”
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
people desperate for the 1 year modano contract....
“I can almost reach it…. almost…..reach it…..”
Let go, Indy!
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
by Tsudbury on Jan 17, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I said NO camels. That's FIVE camels! Can't you count?
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
Wandell has been playing better lately...
But having him as our #1 center scares the hell out of me.
"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."
Okay, you #PeskyStars...
You made me cheer for you against the Wings during a game last season for the first time ever. It’s looking like that is going to happen again tonight.
I might be in one of my Stars jerseys tonight instead of my Lidstrom jersey. Just sayin’.
#Need2Points
by WingnutInStarsCountry on Jan 17, 2012 8:38 AM CST reply actions
Best decision you could possibly make.
Welcome to the good guys.
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
I need a win tonight.
since October, I’ve seen the rangers lose the world series, my red raiders suck it up on the football field and basketball court, and the stars be inconsistent. I am due for something, which is why I believe we will make the playoffs. call me crazy, but I’m due.
by DStarsFan on Jan 17, 2012 9:01 AM CST via Android app reply actions
and the cowboys blow it again
by DStarsFan on Jan 17, 2012 9:03 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
just to let you know
babcock said conklin would start tonight
DETROIT RED WINGS – "war were declared"
Twitter - @TheIngles22
hopefully this is a bit of good news for us.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Yay.
What is Conklin’s record this year?
"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."
He's been...well, just like Stars - inconsistent.
He has a monster game, then follows it by a 5GA game…
Hope he's due for the 5 GA one.
In that case we’ll get 3.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 17, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Actually
He had a monster game in October, then followed it up with a terrible 3 months. His last start was great against the Hawks, so I imagine he’ll give up at least 6 goals tonight.
Weird fact: Conklin has yet to appear in a home game for the Red Wings. Every single one of his performances has been on the road.
YAAAAAAAY!
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
you guys DO remember we just faced an AHL back up and got throttled, right?
We’ve had terrible luck with backups lately.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
I will take Conklin over Howard any day
Even with out luck.
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
oh me too, in a heartbeat.
I’m just sayin… i’m not getting excited about it.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
With Benn and Ribs out there isn't a ton to be excited about.
My expectations are not high tonight but I think our odds are slightly improved in this scenario.
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
I am currently salivating and those stats
by DStarsFan on Jan 17, 2012 9:20 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
at* - I hate my auto correct. at is a word phone!
by DStarsFan on Jan 17, 2012 9:20 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Wings fans think they'll win this one
It would be amazing if the Stars could go in and dominate to a 4-1 / 5-0 win.
A girl can dream.
Wings fans think they will win every game.
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
because they usually do.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
I can show you 16 times so far this season that logic didn't hold up.
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
And i can show you 25 times that it didn't for the stars lol
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
My point is, I think we have a more realistic view of our team than some fans do of theirs.
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
Based on the wailing and gnashing of teeth going on yesterday
I might disagree with you on a generalistic basis. (You and I though? Definitely!)
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Ha ha ha! Oh I missed it yesterday.
I was in a five hour meeting… … …so actually working.
I thought I dealt with all that before! You mean I didn’t convince every single person with my incredible wit and logic last time? Sorry I couldn’t back you up.
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
Complete rubbish
The Wings think they’ll win against the Stars because they should. Bring Dallas health and then drop Datsyuk and Zetterberg from the Wings lineup and tell me if you wouldn’t expect a win from the Stars.
It’s always nice to see somebody pat his fanbase on the back for thinking they’re any different than any other fanbase. You think Wings fans are all overconfident because you don’t pay attention to them.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 17, 2012 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
Don't kid yourself buddy.
Just the sheer number of you means you’re gonna have more crazies than the average fan base. It’s simple math. You simply can’t account for all of the goofballs out there my friend. I’ve been to many Wings games in apposing barns and many of their fans are some of the most annoying and overconfident fans I’ve had the humor of witnessing. I can pretty much say with 100% certainty that our fan base is very different from yours. Doesn’t mean we’re perfect or better than you guys but it’s not exactly dealing with reality to think that we are the same. You guys don’t hold the top spot for most annoying in my book but you are up there whether you believe it or not.
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
The entire topic was on generalities of a fanbase’s feelings about their team. When you speak generalities, you speak percentages. If we wanted to talk about counting stats instead of per-capita stats, then we get into the problem of saying that, in general, Red Wings fans live in Dallas; there seem to be more of them there than there are Stars fans, despite that not being close to representative.
The funny part is that there’s some sort of assumed equality here by in which a fan who thinks the Wings can win the cup would magically be as equally deluded as a fan who thinks the Stars can. The reality of the situation is that only one of those fans is right and he isn’t the one rooting for Dallas.
Or perhaps the funny part is that apparently your “book” is the authority because for some strange reason, you’re a Stars fan who goes to see the Red Wings play on the road and that has taught you all you need to know about their makeup as a fanbase.
If you want to talk about which fanbase in general is more realistic, just look at the fan confidence polls on both sites and at how they’re basically even as of January 9th, despite the fact that by that day, the Wings had a six point lead on the Stars and a +42 goal differential over what theirs was (and have been a better team for a time period measured in years instead of months). Yet somehow the idea that both fanbases are equally as confident about vastly different teams says that Wings fans are the more overconfident bunch when looking at their chances.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 18, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
See the real point is,
Who is on who’s site whining about a perception of their teams fans? You may be the quintessential annoying Red Wings fan and you only solidify the stereotype the more comments you post. You can try and nitpick my argument as much as you like. I never said once that “my book was the authority”. You said that. I was stating my opinion and I made it a point to clarify it that way. Furthermore, I’m sure your confidence poll is used just about as much as ours is and I highly doubt that using that as some sort of average reference point for all fans of a team would be fairly accurate. Not to mention that your “confidence” is based on entirely different goals than ours is. It’s not a confidence poll on if each team can win the cup. It’s about the goals for each team for the year. We’re just trying to make the playoffs. Pretty sure that isn’t the Red Wings end goal this season. Not to mention, percentage wise I’m sure there are as many Wings fans as Stars fans that don’t even know this site exists much less the disparity in how many fans on average use that poll. The point you are defending is whether or not you lot are justified in thinking your team is going to have a shot at winning the cup and your rebuttal is that we are somehow just as “overconfident” as you because we think we have a chance to simply beat your team in the regular season when we are hurt? I think you will find there isn’t a lot of delusion over our cup chances on this site. I can’t think of even one comment I’ve read on here talking about Dallas hoisting the Cup this year. Maybe there has been but I haven’t seen it. How many comments like that have been on your site? What’s your number divided by zero? No one is even saying that you guys don’t have a legitimate chance at the cup this season. No one was even saying you didn’t have a good chance of beating us the other night. In fact, I think pretty much all of us Stars fans were more than a little concerned. However, the idea that our fan bases are completely equal in percentage make up of perceived reality is completely arbitrary and really can’t be proved one way or another no matter how many stats you want to try and roll out. It’s an opinion just like just about everything in regards to this discussion.
Indeed, my personal experience is just that. My perception is just that. I’m not saying that I have every Wings fan pegged. I never tried to lump all of you together. I prefaced each comment with words like “some.” I can say from my personal experience in the myriad of games I have personally attended, in several cities, against many different opponents, I have never heard the same extent of whining after a loss, (specifically citing the age old rebuttal of “Who has more cups?”) as I do when I see the Red Wings lose a game in an opposing city. Again not all the fans do this but far more on average. In my experience I have witnessed no visiting teams fans attempt to start as many visiting team chants as Red Wings fans. Again, I do not speak as any kind of authority on fan demographics or polling data. It is admittedly a biased viewpoint from one persons own experience, which is the same that can be said for pretty much any argument on a discussion of this nature. We won’t agree. I haven’t changed your mind and you haven’t changed mind and that is perfectly okay. Good luck to you though the rest of the year. It was a hard fought game the other night and you guys walked away with the win.
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
Good luck to you though the rest of the year. It was a hard fought game the other night and you guys walked away with the win.
That’s a nice attempt at regaining the moral high ground after your first paragraph. I honestly hope that you feel good about yourself.
I never said once that "my book was the authority". You said that.
Yes, because “your book” was the authority off of which we’re going in this discussion. My statement on that was to either your inability or refusal to even attempt seeing things through a perception other than your own. You’ve done nothing to disprove that point as of yet.
I do like your attempt to claim that my opinion can’t be proven as some sort of strengthening to the argument that your opinion (the original “My point is, I think we have a more realistic view of our team than some fans do of theirs.” opinion) isn’t complete rubbish.
I also appreciate the complete philistine view that no matter how many actual facts I bring into the discussion, it won’t be good enough for you. I’m glad that you let me know exactly what I’m dealing with. Your life in a cave is comfortable and the shadows on the wall are familiar. As long as you get to believe that you’re somehow objectively better than somebody out there, the crisis of confidence can be averted.
Really, read your entire comment again and tell me that it doesn’t sound to an objective observer that you’re basically saying “I believe whatever I want to believe. nanny-nanny-boo-boo!”
Perhaps what I like more is that the original comment that brought you to your brilliant conclusion that a fan of an inferior team is more realistic than a fan of a contender is that Wings fans thought they would win this game and that they think they’ll win every game (a claim I can guarantee is not accurate). Remember, that comment did not include your safety word SOME, but just said “Wings Fans”… So you build a faulty claim off a faulty premise and use it to compare yourself to a caricature of a fanbase and then I’m apparently the delusional one?
In my experience I have witnessed no visiting teams fans attempt to start as many visiting team chants as Red Wings fans.
Sorry to throw a stat at you in the end of this post, since you already told me you don’t care about those kinds of things, but the Wings are the best road draw in the league. Perhaps you don’t see visiting team fans attempt to start as many visiting team chants because there simply aren’t as many of them? If I’m outnumbered 10-1, then I’m not trying to start a chant. If the ratio is even close to 50/50, then hell yes I’m doing that. You know why? Because I feel that my team hearing a “LET’S GO RED WINGS!” chant in a visiting arena will help them. If you don’t like that as a fan of the home team, start bringing more people to your own arena and drown us out.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 20, 2012 8:22 AM CST up reply actions
Isn't that the point?
I’m not trying to be an asshole, but the Wings are at full strength facing off against a depleted Stars team that has struggled mightily with consistency this season. The Wings were able to jump out to a quick lead last night and spread out the ice time in an easy win against a bad Sabres team while the Stars played a very tough game against the NHL-leading (vomit) Blues.
Both teams will be tired, but on paper, the Wings should win this one. Of course, if Conklin is starting, then all bets are off, because he’s terrible.
by Amerinadian on Jan 17, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with you completely.
It’s like when we face the blue jackets. It’s a game that we should win. All teams use that logic.
But as they say, “That’s why they play the games,” you just never know what will actually happen. The wings should win this game, but the Stars need to.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
We have, "struggled mightily" as you put it, mainly because of our injuries.
I’m not saying you shouldn’t think that you’ve got a good shot at winning this game. Our top two centers are both out. Quite frankly I think that is a very probable outcome. It’s the idea that, to some, it’s a foregone conclusion that bothers me. That has a tendency to be annoying. It’s no slam on you. I think we’ve all experienced that sort of thing from a few Red Wings fans before. We’re a tough team. If we proved anything last night it’s that we’re not gonna lie down just because we’re hurt. Hopefully it’ll be a good game.
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
Well, we have struggled mightilly
all year in back to backs, even when healthy. I hope Bachman puts on his superman under armor tonight!
I agree with both of you
I always consider the source when I hear an opposing fan talk about how their team will win and why, because I know I’m in direct conflict with them.
I guess it’s just a matter of confidence in one’s team, which everyone has. Some fans are just more visible and vocal in their support.
by Amerinadian on Jan 17, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
I have very low expectations.
I think that’s the best way to approach all the games from here on out, in order to reduce my level of disappointment.
for you?
definitely. (ya negative nancy!) :-P
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
It's because I let myself get all in last season
only to see it crash and burn. I now guard against that.





























