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2012 NHL Trade Deadline: What Path Should Dallas Stars Take?

With Joe Nieuwendyk proving that he's willing to pull the trigger on any big trade well ahead of the deadline, we're going to kick off our trade deadline coverage a bit earlier than most outlets out there.

The first step is to gauge where the fans and the readers here at DBD stand and how they feel this team should approach the trade deadline. With a new owner in place, the exciting part of this time of the season is that it feels as if the Stars finally have the ability to actually add to the team, rather than just make a lateral move when it comes to salary.

The James Neal trade from last year was a monster trade for the future of this franchise, but it wasn't the blockbuster deal that many fans feel the Stars should be looking at. With the Stars fighting for the postseason, it's apparent -- judging by the discussions around the community lately -- that fans are convinced that this team needs something to help push them over the hump they've been fighting for most of the season.

The question becomes two-fold; who is available that's worth the trade and who should the Stars be willing to part with. We generally undervalue trade proposals compared to what would actually be needed, so keep that in mind when attempting to determine what the Stars should do.

It's also important to remember that the Stars will not -- and should not -- make a trade just because of the Jamie Benn and Mike Ribeiro situation. That is only short term; we're talking big picture here.

We'll have our own detailed thoughts on what we feel is the right path for the Stars, but let's hear from the DBD faithful first -- what should the plan for the Dallas Stars be heading into the 2012 NHL Trade Deadline?

Poll after the jump.

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If you have a specific player you'd like to see added to the roster, let us know in the comments!
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What path should the Dallas Stars take?
Play it safe -- the real time to add to this roster is during free agency.
28 votes
Go big or go home -- the Stars desperately need to make a splash.
43 votes
Go for a piece for the future -- any trade should be with the long-term plan in mind.
160 votes
Other -- It all depends on who the Stars are willing to part with.
33 votes

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There are lots of ifs, but it's clear we're missing a good center/winger to fill the top line out, and a #1 defender.

I want one of those (if not both) desperately, but I’m not willing to hinder ourselves for the next several years to get those pieces. I’d rather miss the playoffs this year and be set up extremely well from here on out.

"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil

by Tsudbury on Jan 16, 2012 2:35 PM CST reply actions  

Suter and Parise would be my top 2 targets too...

But that depends on what the price is for them. Since they are impending FA’s, I wouldn’t be willing to part with a ton of items. A “bottom 6” guy and a conditional 2nd round that goes to 1st if we re-sign him would suffice for me.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 16, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Not bad option.

That 2nd round to 1st round might just work.

Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.

by Henri Muroke on Jan 16, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

If I had to pick just one, I would rather have Suter.

Weber, too, but since he’s an RFA, I think his asking price will be too high.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 16, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd wait on Parise

for the off season. Sign him for noting.

by sundancekid on Jan 16, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

This is what I'd really prefer for both Parise and Suter.

"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil

by Tsudbury on Jan 16, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

The future

Personally I think there is a way we can make the team better now but more importantly be better for the distant future. I beleive Joe is trying to build a team that is similar to the one he was on when they won the cup here in 99. The goligoski trade was so we had the best puck moving defenceman on our team since zubov. We’ve got our young modano type stud in benn and our extremely good two way forward of erikkson (Think jere lehtenen). The goalie speaks for himself on most nights. Now we are missing a few peices, the main one being the derian hatcher type defenceman and i think we should make a big play at shea weber. Zach parise should also be on our radar as we have the most cap room in the league. Maybe you can try and aquire one at the deadline and then one as a free agent in the offseason. Both of those players make us better right now but also make us a contender for years to come

by Traptors on Jan 16, 2012 2:41 PM CST reply actions  

Should they be active? Sure.

But if they make a move or moves, they should be smart ones. Ones that will help the future also.

Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.

by Henri Muroke on Jan 16, 2012 2:41 PM CST reply actions  

Sell the old to get younger

This team still isn’t close to one that has a chance of doing something in the playoffs. Go big.

by PrussianBlue on Jan 16, 2012 2:45 PM CST reply actions  

Selling the old doesn't really work though

since our “old” players have NTCs.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 16, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd like to go after Parise

He would cost alot something like Glennie Larsen and a 3rd that turned into a first if he re signed, it would give us Imo one of the best top 6’s in the league and would be worth it long term

by can we get hatcher back on Jan 16, 2012 2:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Ehh....

They’d want more than that.

by coolcolin09 on Jan 16, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Larsen, Vincour, and a 2nd is what I'd be willing to part with.

As long as we can get Suter too.

"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil

by Tsudbury on Jan 16, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

That'd be a steal...

I know he’s on a contract year and his numbers are at the level of past years….but two unproven nhl prospects that have injuries and a 2nd rounder?

by coolcolin09 on Jan 16, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

For a guy they're going to lose in a couple months anyways?

Yeah. It would be different if he was on a longer contract. And Larsen and Vicour have both shown great potential.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 16, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I would trade Larsen, Vincour and a 2nd rounder in a heartbeat...

Just to have the exclusive negotiating rights to Parise and his services for the 2nd half of the season. We’re talking about a guy who is star material, is just entering his prime, and averages over 60 points a season for the Devils — a defense first team.

In. A. Heartbeat.

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by Brandon Worley on Jan 16, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

that's what I'm saying!

When I said a player “they” would lose at the end of the season, I meant the Devils.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 16, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

no!

We are now arguing!

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by Brandon Worley on Jan 16, 2012 3:45 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

My argument was that I think Larsen, Vincour, and a 2nd would be enough to land him.

They both have great potential.

"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil

by Tsudbury on Jan 16, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Glennie is still worth diddly doo for trades at this point.

Any trade that has him involved, you could leave him out, and it would still be just as acceptable to the other team.

"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil

by Tsudbury on Jan 16, 2012 2:51 PM CST reply actions  

If

You want something significant, FA isn’t something you can count on. Suter and Parise are the only biggies and no guarantee they make it to FA.

by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 16, 2012 2:54 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

No guarantee that they sign with you if you trade for them either.

What’s worse, is if you DO trade for them, and they don’t re-sign, then you sacrificed your future for nothing.

Plenty of risk on either side.

"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil

by Tsudbury on Jan 16, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

I’m not willing to risk Larsen and Vincour without the guarantee you re-sign a Suter or Parise.

by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 16, 2012 3:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

real tough one

But i would hang fire. I never expected us to be play offs this year, and im most certainly not willing to see players like Benn, Loui, Ribs, or Morrow traded.

The way Joe has gone about his business i dont see us making a big trade. He’s been building slowly, and with the room we have in cap space, we could add allot of talent this summer.

Not forgetting, get Benn, and Goose to sign long term deals

by Matt Wright on Jan 16, 2012 3:08 PM CST reply actions  

Even signing those 2 to long term deals, and ignoring the increase in the cap ceiling

You still have about $20 million of space to finish filling out the 5 or so roster spots that will be open. Sign 2 biggies, and bring 3 up from the minors, and there ya go.

"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil

by Tsudbury on Jan 16, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Go

Hard after both in FA. Lots of other teams will too though. Suter would be easily my #1 priority. I can’t see anywhere else the Stars will find a #1 dman.

by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 16, 2012 3:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

oleksiak

hes not as far away as youd think

by Long Island on Jan 16, 2012 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

they certainly shouldnt sacrifice the future for this years team. Don’t trade youth/picks/prospects for any soon to be UFAs or aging players who arent going to be around for the long haul.

by TimAH on Jan 16, 2012 3:11 PM CST reply actions  

Parise/Suter/Weber/Schenn are options that you can give up youth for.

All of them are 27 or younger, and will be around for a while. (Assuming they re-sign with us, of course)

"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil

by Tsudbury on Jan 16, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I really dont think we have enough tradeable assets to get into bidding wars for guys like these. Schenn possibly but it would mean Philly is going all in for this season and would likely want established talent and I dont see Joe dealing veterans for youth (although id love it).

by TimAH on Jan 16, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

It just depends what other teams are willing to bid, but I agree with you really.

Our best hope is in FA. Otherwise, i get the feeling we’d have to sacrifice too much to get them.

"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil

by Tsudbury on Jan 16, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Personally I am willing to wait. I know alot of fans are really tired of missing the playoffs but Im more afraid of making the wrong moves and settling into a 6-10 type team that loses in the first round when it does make the playoffs. Realistically the new core of this team (Benn, Eriksson, Goli ) have plenty of great years ahead of them.

by TimAH on Jan 16, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

exactly...

And it may stink now, going a possible 4 straight years without the playoffs, but if that takes us closer to a cup contending team, I’m willing to put up with it.

The future is absolutely bright right now, and I wouldn’t want to give it all away just to land a big name player now.

"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil

by Tsudbury on Jan 16, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that there is no way in hell that we will be sellers at the deadline

And the last thing that we want to do is notbsell and not make the playoffs I think it would be better to be serious buyers between now and the deadline and go after big names like Parise and Suter

by can we get hatcher back on Jan 16, 2012 4:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Either trade for a premiere player or a high-end prospect...

Or try to make moves to get draft picks in the 1-3rd round range.

Guys like Bobby Ryan, Suter/Weber, Parise are really the few current NHLers available that I would consider great moves for now and the future (assuming they are re-signed).

If we can’t, then we need to continue to stock our farm system and let our scouts find elite talents.

by coolcolin09 on Jan 16, 2012 3:13 PM CST reply actions  

It was hard to vote.

I think any move should be darn smartly and with the future in mind. We should not make a move just because we can.

With that said, I think this franchise does need to make a splash. If the Stars are going to be a top-tier franchise again, the need to put a winning product on the ice and they need to have an enthusiastic fan base that supports it. A big move, if it’s for the right player (my dream remains Parise), can help with both of those.

Look, I love a lot of the guys we have, but we’re a mediocre team that needs things to go just right to sneak into the playoffs as the 7th-8th seed. And right now things aren’t going the way we need to do that. And sure, attendance is improving since the ownership change and the new marketing, but it’s not where it needs to be. To get there, I think it takes more than lower prices- people need to be excited about the Stars.

Acquiring a player that helps improve the team, and is a name player that fans recognize, is the shot in the arm needed.

Easier said than done, I know, but Gaglardi himself said this franchise needs to make the playoffs this season. It’s time to make the move that can put us there.

by cms1171 on Jan 16, 2012 3:23 PM CST reply actions  

I like Schenn

He can be had for Souray/Grossman and a second rounder, or a combo of players. Throw Pardy in there for giggles.

by sundancekid on Jan 16, 2012 3:34 PM CST reply actions  

Like Tim says above, it may take a bit more veteran from us to get him.

And we don’t have a lot of those that we can actually trade.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 16, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

It would have to center around Grossman or Souray.

And a pick or two (not a first), or another established player. What about Devo, Grossman, and a third? OR, Souray and Devo straight up? I feel like I am gviing up too lttle.

by sundancekid on Jan 16, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem with some of those is the same reason that it would be a problem to trade Ryder.

You’re going to discourage other FAs from signing with you if you’re willing to wheel and deal them like baseball cards.

"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil

by Tsudbury on Jan 16, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I see....

I was merely basing my trade on organizational needs, rather than the ramifications of trading a first year player for the franchise. That must look bad to other FA’s, good call.

by sundancekid on Jan 16, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

It wouldn't look THAT bad

if we only did it once to better the long term future of the franchise and send our first year guy to a cup contender.

by Travis Drybread on Jan 16, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

depends on the situation.

But they got a lot of karma trading Barch to florida because he asked. You’d be erasing it.

"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil

by Tsudbury on Jan 16, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

If dropping Dvorak or Souray to Philadelphia with whatever else we give them netted us Schenn,

I wouldn’t be all that concerned with what other FAs thought. They’d probably see Schenn as someone they’d like to play with.

by Travis Drybread on Jan 16, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

especially with a guy like Souray who is going to be a UFA anyway.

by TimAH on Jan 16, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

true.

"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil

by Tsudbury on Jan 16, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

so we can agree if Philly somehow lost their mind and offered Schenn in a deal where the main piece returning is Souray GMJN would be crazy not to take it.

by TimAH on Jan 16, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think

it’s the same situation. Souray and Grossman are both expiring contracts, frankly they should be expecting to go somewhere else. Next year, so should Ryder.

by Hillbutton on Jan 16, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Ryder...

…why? If he is able to score 30 goals in both seasons, might not be a bad idea to retain him for around $4+ million.

by Dallas_Stars74 on Jan 16, 2012 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

We committed to him for two yeaHe’s not going to score 30 goals this year, by the wayWe committed to him for two years, and typically extensions don’t happen for players above 30. I’m not saying we should move him, we’ll see next year on that, I’m saying you shouldn’t sign a one-year contract and expect to be here more than one year (two in Ryder’s case)

by Hillbutton on Jan 17, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

he's on pace for 34...

why wouldn’t he?

"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil

by Tsudbury on Jan 17, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

It comes down to the new CBA. Joe should look at Cuban's handling of the mavs.

Was able to bring in supplements for replacing good players, Chandler, for future stability. When either the cap next year is lowered or raised the Stars will be in a good place to capitalize off more restricted teams.

What...just...happened?

by RealDealNeal on Jan 16, 2012 3:39 PM CST reply actions  

It depends on how we get through this next stretch

With Benn and Ribeiro out, we could easily fall out of the race in the next two weeks. Either way, mortgaging the future would be beyond dumb at this point and everyone under 26 should be pretty much untouchable.

If we’re sellers, we should sell hard. Souray and Grossman should both fetch significant packages, and given our organizational depth in defense they should be moved if we are sellers. Something that I’m not seeing a lot of but should probably be considered is trading Robidas. He should be starting a downturn in the coming years, and if we could get him to a contender in need of a defenseman (Philadelpha…. wretch Vancouver) it would do him a bit of justice. For those teams to land Robidas, Schenn or Hodgson have to be part of the deal and any other team would have to give up a significant young center for him. Souray and Grossman, if they’re let go, should also be let go with an eye toward young centers. In a perfect world, I see Souray and Robidas for Schenn and Hodgson, with picks revolving around them.

If we’re buyers… We shouldn’t be. We don’t have the pieces to turn into a cup contender, and we shouldn’t gamble the future just to get to the playoffs.

In either case, once Vincour gets healthy we should flip Dvorak for picks. He’s been great, but Vincour’s been better and we can’t afford to let an asset as ripe as Dvorak (he’s cheap and he kills penalties) spoil for nothing. He’s a perfect rental player

by Hillbutton on Jan 16, 2012 3:53 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed on the sell hard part if they falter the next few weeks

But I think you way overestimate the value of Souray/Grossman/Robidas. They’d each be a number 4 dman at best on the good teams around the league, and Schenn and Hodgson are highly valued by their respective orgs. The Stars would have to include another veteran piece in a position of need or maybe even a 1st rounder to pry away those guys.

That said, they could definitely get a pretty decent return for Grossman or Robidas especially. Teams in need of Dmen at the deadline do tend to overpay. Just not Hodgson/Schenn overpay.

by disposablehero on Jan 16, 2012 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Hope and expectation

are two completely different things, sir

by Hillbutton on Jan 17, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Unless Joe can pull off a miracle...

I don’t see us bringing in big players before the trade deadline. We just don’t have the pieces that other teams want, at least not the one’s we are willing to give up. And I don’t want to see us give up some of our picks/prospects to get a big name for a year or two. Joe wants to build the team thru the draft and I agree with that. He is building a strong farm system and we will need a few “bridge” players to get us over. If we can get a strong player before the deadline without giving up core players and that Joe can re-sign and keep her for several years, then great. If not, play out the season and use our cap space to strengthen the team during Free Agency.

by fivefourfighting on Jan 16, 2012 3:53 PM CST reply actions  

Look what's coming

The NHL & NHLPA are at it again. Could there be a lockout? Teams will get reshuffled if there is.

by deerslayertx on Jan 16, 2012 4:02 PM CST reply actions  

I voted for play it safe

there’s no point going mental just because we have a bankroll now. We don’t really have any desirable pieces that we would be willing to part with, but saying that would we have included Neal in that category last season?

Players i would be willing to trade: Grossman, Fistric (this would make me sad as i love fisty), Vincour, Larsen, Morrow and to a certain extent depending on what we get back, Ribs. To be honest if we want a cup contending team it will look drastically different to the team we have now so we should expect to lose guys we don’t want to lose

by ukstar on Jan 16, 2012 4:22 PM CST reply actions  

Go after Parise

We’re at the cap floor. If we can land Parise and sign him long term, we’ll look awfully nice to other FA’s. That would make a pretty good top 6.

by Trillmike on Jan 16, 2012 4:32 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I really think Parise would do this franchise wonders.

He’d bring scoring and breathe some life into the Stars. He’s young and if he resigns, the Stars will be much better for it for years to come.

In my opinion, he has to be priority number one as far as making trades go.

by Travis Drybread on Jan 16, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Looking

On other sites it looks like it will take more than proposes here to land him. If you get him and don’t re-sign considering what you’d give up it would be a disaster considering we aren’t getting him as a cup run rental as other buyers will be.

by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 16, 2012 4:43 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Aaron Musick, from Hockeybuzz, was speculating
on the likely price of Parise, as it appears more and
more likely he will be traded, and or test FA.
Musick muses that his trade value might return
something like:
" Scoring winger to help offset loss of Parise
Goaltender/goaltending prospect. Unless Frazee or
Clermont are the real deal, they need a prospect
for when Brodeur retires
Defenseman to help anchor the defense of New
Jersey
A draft pick "
So I guess just to toss out an idea, and speculatory
place for other clubs.. ..
From Toronto:
Clarke MacArthur
Ben Scrivens / Jussi Rynaas
Cody Franson / Keith Aulie
1st round 2012

by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 16, 2012 4:54 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Agree

Seems like a lot more than people thought B Rich woulda netted last yr.

Rough equivalent of us giving

Ryder
Grossman
Bachman
1st round pick

by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 16, 2012 4:59 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

The Stars would pull the trigger on that deal in a second

If they thought they could re-sign him. Otherwise there’s no use for team like Dallas (i.e. not a strong Cup contender) to trade for him.

by disposablehero on Jan 16, 2012 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

B Rich cost us...

…Smith, Jokinen, Halpern and 3rd (maybe 4th?) rounder, that too when he put up 51 pts in 62 games with an ugly -25 rating (he’d finish with 62 pts and -27 rating). Desperate teams will overpay

by Dallas_Stars74 on Jan 16, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

And Richards also had several years left on his contract.

That increased his value greatly.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 17, 2012 7:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Correct me if i'm wrong but, we are still very close to the floor.

If we move someone Like Robidas or Grossman we will need to take salary back in the trade to stay above the floor. While I would love nothing more than to stock pile first and fifth round picks the financials must mix into the equation.

Are there any bad contracts that are out there teams would be willing to send to get off books? Take on a short term bad contract and money in order to pick up draft picks.

by Epicrates on Jan 16, 2012 4:47 PM CST reply actions  

Per Capgeek

we could move 4.4 million today and still be above the floor. At the trade deadline, that number becomes 9.1 million.

http://www.capgeek.com/trade_deadline_tracker.php

by cms1171 on Jan 16, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Gagner

I’d like to see them go after a guy like Sam Gagner. Looks like Edmonton has given up on him and he’s on the last year of his 2 year $4.55 million contract. Plus, he’s a center and a right handed shot and 22 years old. Edmonton would probably want a player on D for him but probably nothing too significant. I just don’t think Joe would try any big trades right now if it meant giving up good prospects or first and second rounders and that seems to be the going price for most the guys rumoured to be moved. Worry about the Parise’s and Suter’s in the off-season.

by LittleBallOfHate on Jan 16, 2012 5:04 PM CST reply actions  

Oh and...

Maybe it’ll help get some old school fans back when they hear Dave’s son is playing for the Stars. Don’t know if he’s be rockin the #15 though.

by LittleBallOfHate on Jan 16, 2012 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think they've really given up on him yet though

He still plays second line type minutes when the Nuge is healthy, and they don’t have much depth down the middle. If the price were right, though, I’d be interested for sure.

Also would be interested to see if they’ve soured on Paajarvi as of yet. Maybe they’ll sell low.

by disposablehero on Jan 16, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

True

But when Nuge is healthy, Gagner is behind him and Horcoff at center on the depth chart. They basically start shifting him around but usually stays third line. I don’t think they’ve totally given up on him but it seems with him coming up on RFA and a bigger role for Nuge I think he’d be an affordable trade option, they wouldn’t be expecting “an arm and a leg”. The Oilers are brutal on D so they’d probably be willing to make a switch there. In a perfect world we’d be able to move Pardy for him but we all know thats not possible. Paajarvi’s good but we don’t need another LW left handed shot.

by LittleBallOfHate on Jan 16, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I’d be more interested in Gagner than Parrjarvi. They probably have similar prices and Gagner being a right handed center is more appealing to me.

by KBreezy on Jan 16, 2012 6:16 PM CST reply actions  

Our PP is so predictable, even the Leafs' PK would look good defending it.

It seems our PP sets rob our more skilled players of showcasing their natural abilities. Our power play is akin to a basketball team that only passes the ball around looking for an open three. If we can get our guys to skate around more and create more individual opportunities in more dangerous areas, I believe our powerplay will be much more successful. At this point, every team knows consists of either going to play dump n’ chase or funneling everything back to the point. Heck, getting pucks to the net would be an improvement.

We could also move Souray to the net. Sure, his hand-eye skills may not be great, but he’d be a hoss in front of the goalie.

by hrothgar606 on Jan 16, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

David Rundblad?

Also, is Pardy worth a 5th-rounder?

by hrothgar606 on Jan 16, 2012 9:31 PM CST reply actions  

I voted for peicing together our future.

And if i had my way, i’d trade grossman, ryder and a 1st for malkin. And i am aware of the comments above about trading recently aquired FA, but malking would be our nm 1 center for years to come, imagine, Benn, malkin, eriksonn. With the playmaking center who can score goals, with benn would can also score at will and with eriksson with them playing the way he does. That would be one of the best top lines in the league.

If i was to go for any other players. It would be Ryan ellis and brayden schenn, i couldnt imagine Ellis would be to hard to aquire if the preds still have suter an weber at the time. They are quiet defensivly sound. And brayden schenn could be had at a decent price and could help glennie improve an possible be a good tandom for the future. Whatever happens, i still believe this team as is can ruffle some feathers in the playoffs!

by Chris Lca Williams on Jan 16, 2012 10:56 PM CST reply actions  

Not gonna happen

You’re dreaming if you think the Pens would take that deal for Malkin, especially with Sid’s status uncertain. And if we got Ellis we’d have a defense of 4 guys generously listed at around 5’10 with Ellis, Robidas, Daley, and Goligoski. Not sure that fits Nieuwy’s idea of “tough to play against”. I could be wrong but I just don’t see the team wasting talent and pics on a big name. As I said before, if you can get a guy like Gagner for cheap or Gleason/Ruutu in Carolina for cheap than maybe pull the trigger. But this team has so much money to throw at big UFA’s in the off-season it’s not worth throwing prospects and pics away on rentals right now.

by LittleBallOfHate on Jan 16, 2012 11:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Oh i know

I just figure, with pens having 3 big possible top line centers, obviously with crosby the main one. He aint gonna be injury prone for ever. Pens could afford to loose malkin or staal an still be dominat.

Ryan ellis is small, but can play alot bigger then he is an has alot of potential. Never said it would happen, i am but a dreaming man!

by Chris Lca Williams on Jan 17, 2012 2:02 AM CST reply actions  

Think it’s time they start moving veteran players for picks and prospects. This team has been stagnant for three years going on to what seems to be four years of not being good enough to make the playoff buy not bad enough to get a high end prospect.

I know we have a new owner and that opens the room to go after some of these highly sought after FA but my thing is even if we do have the space for them why would they want to sign in Dallas? This is a team that is most likely going to miss the playoffs for a fourth year, and barring some off season moves I’d wager it’ll be more of the same next season until more of the young talent makes it to the Stars.

Others probably disagree but Morrow and Robidas are two names that I think would be the best to move. Robidas might not as high a value as he would’ve had a year or two ago but at the trade deadline both him and Morrow could get good returns from teams trying to go far in the playoffs. I know there would be issues with NTC/NMC but something needs to be done to change this team, not being a serious team to make the playoffs and being stagnant hovering around 10-15 draft area is getting old.

Another thing who was the last center drafted by Dallas that was good enough to be atleast a #2? I’ve only started getting into hockey after the lockout so don’t know to much about the Stars drafting but it looks like the last good center was Modano. I know Benn is playing center but he was a winger converted to center and while he’s doing good it seems a bit odd to me that the Stars havn’t been able to draft a natural center with atleast #2 ability since Modano. Anyways the whole point of this was Dallas needs to draf a center badly.

by HockeyGambit on Jan 17, 2012 9:22 AM CST reply actions  

If they have NTCs, then there's no point.

Both are happy here and don’t want to move. Saying “Well, something needs to be done,” isn’t going to change that. The Stars’ only tradable assets right now are their prospects, and if we deal those away, then we’ll be right in the same position we were to begin with.

When you have ownership that empties your minor league system to zero through trades for expensive FAs, then lets all those FAs walk due to budget constraints, you’re left with literally nothing. You’re seeing the effects of it now, and it takes years to recover from that. We’re almost there. We just have to wait.

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by Tsudbury on Jan 17, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't think you'll get much in return for those...

Grossman might get the most back since he’s an RFA though.

"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil

by Tsudbury on Jan 17, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually, Grossman's a UFA

I didn’t say we’d get a lot back for them, I said they’re movable. And we’d get more back for them than we would for prospects. In my estimation, if we turn Dvorak and/or Souray, two cheap signings nobody else wanted, into draft picks, it’ll be blood from a stone.

by Hillbutton on Jan 17, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Would anyone be willing to trade Kari?

And what would be the minimum acceptable return?

What if NJ is willing to trade Parise straight up for Kari and we got another veteran from another team?

I don’t see us trading for much otherwise.

by jabudi on Jan 17, 2012 1:59 PM CST reply actions  

I don't think we're quite ready to do that.

The goalies in our system aren’t in their proper place to do it yet.

"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil

by Tsudbury on Jan 17, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

They are

If its Zach Parise coming back, they are

by Hillbutton on Jan 17, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I meant more the fans

Kari has been great, but I’ve always thought that for the most part, the difference between great and amazing in a goaltender doesn’t usually make a huge difference in your results these days. It’s not the same game as it was in even the early 2000’s.

That being said, we all know what happens to goaltenders who don’t make THAT save in the playoffs. But there are a ton of good FA goalies and teams who might be shopping their goalies around.

And who wouldn’t want to see Bryzgalov in the post-game interviews?

Just a thought. I’m not sure I’m comfortable with the idea, but if you score a goal more a game by getting someone, in theory you don’t need one of the best goalies in the game, right?

by jabudi on Jan 17, 2012 6:40 PM CST up reply actions  

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