Dallas Stars Spare Change: Dog Days, Pessimism, and Angelo Esposito
by Cole Jones on Jan 15, 2012 2:36 PM CST
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Another week of win-one-lose-one, with time slipping away and games-in-hand being played. These are the dog days of hockey season, where the schedule starts to grind on players and fans alike, and the optimism isn't always as free flowing.
It seems like just yesterday the Stars were celebrating a new owner, sitting atop their division, looking forward to a return trip to the playoffs, and discussing what the name of our "Central Conference" was going to be. Now we're sitting tenth in the conference, the re-alignment is on hold, and the weights off our shoulders seem to be another year away.
Add on top of that the news that Mike Ribeiro will be out of commission until February, and there's not a whole lot to be excited about. I love this team with all my heart, but it's becoming more and more apparent that we need a full complement of healthy roster player if we're going to do anything. The depth is much improved since this summer, but there is still a long way to go.
The week began with a third period collapse at the hands of the cellar-dwelling Anaheim Ducks, and was followed by an up-and-down narrow victory against the Los Angeles Kings. A slow start and an inability to generate offense led to a loss against the Colorado Avalanche on Saturday, and the schedule doesn't look to be doing us any favors next week either.
Back to back games against the St. Louis Blues and Detroit Red Wings will test the Stars ability to bounce back from last week. Then they'll get two days to rest before another back to back against the Tampa Bay Lightning and the Minnesota Wild. All of those teams, save the Tampa Bay Lightning, currently sit above the Dallas Stars in the standings, and they're in the East, so it doesn't really matter.
It's not all doom and gloom for the boys in green and gold, however. Jamie Benn finally got the recognition that he deserves for his dominant week last week. He was named to the NHL's three stars, and also named to his first NHL All-Star roster. Sadly, his bromance with Loui Eriksson will likely be put on hold for All-Star weekend, unless injury or personal circumstance forces someone to drop out and free up a spot for the slick Swede. (I'm hoping for it. Loui deserves a return trip.)
My favorite peice of news of from the week was considered a minor footnote at most, but has the potential to pay dividends for the Stars in the long run. The Stars have taken on another reclamation project, this time in the form of former first round pick Angelo Esposito. The Stars sent Ondrej Roman to the Florida Panthers for the rights to Esposito, who had been playing for San Antonio of the AHL.
In 2007, Angelo Esposito was considered one of hockey's top prospects. His play in the QMJHL drew comparisons to Montreal Canadiens legend Guy Lafleur. He was the key prospect involved in the trade that send Marian Hossa from Atlanta to the Pittsburgh Penguins. Then injuries hit, and they hit hard. His production suffered, his development was stunted, and he got shipped from Atlanta to Florida and eventually Dallas.
He's a long shot, but has received a lot of praise from those around him in San Antonio for his dedication, work-rate, and attitude. He plays a game that relies on speed, creativity, and puck control, but to call him fragile and undersized would be an understatement. Still, the Stars have reclaimed failed prospects in the past and turned them into core members of this team.
If Angelo Esposito can get back a little of the spark he showed with the Quebec Remparts in the mid 2000's, it will be well worth the price.
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I think we need to make a move
The Stars need to figure out what they want to do with Grossman. If he’s not part of the future trade him and pick to someone.
Grossman & a 2nd for Ryan?
by Trillmike on Jan 15, 2012 3:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions
If that would get Ryan, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
But that’s nowhere near what it’ll take to get him.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Just an example
If that were to happen the Stars would win big.
by Trillmike on Jan 15, 2012 3:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I gotcha.
It’d probably take something more like…. Bachman, Larsen, and a 2nd or Larsen, a 1st, and a 2nd to get closer to a Ryan deal, but I don’t want to assume I know what the Ducks would want.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
the stars just don't have many tradable assets right now, unfortunately...
I doubt they’ll be able to add anything big before the offseason. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see a small move here or there.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Agree
Let’s see what teams would be potential trade partners.
Florida, Columbus, Anaheim (?), maybe a team like Calgary or Winnipieg too.
by Trillmike on Jan 15, 2012 3:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hoping for NJ to slip over the next 2 months.
Love me some Parise.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
I think a deal with the ducks involving Fistric, Grossman, or Robidas could work
They have an awful defense corps, at least in terms of actual defenders (Fowler and Visnovsky don’t count) so I think they’d be willing to get a stay at home defensmen or two
I wouldn't mind shopping any of those three.
A contender might send us picks/prospects for someone solid like Robi, and a pretender down at the bottom that could use some muscle might take one of Grossman/Fistric in a package for a guy that’s not gonna come back to them anyway. It can happen. Stranger trades have occurred than what we’re suggesting. As long as Joe protects his 1st and 5th round picks, I think the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks should all be tradeable if necessary. Most draft picks don’t pan out, the cupboard is stocked and netting a superstar would do this team and its fanbase wonders.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
5th rounders are untouchable
Lol.
by Trillmike on Jan 15, 2012 3:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You guys are forgetting that Robi has a no movement clause
"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."
Don't think Florida is gonna be selling.
But we definitely need to make a move of some sort. I hope Joe is working the phones.
True.
We’ve got picks like everyone does, but Joe wants to build through the draft, so those are likely untouchable unless the deal nets us someone like Weber, Parise, etc.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
I'd go through the roof if Joe landed Parise
For more than just a couple months.
by Trillmike on Jan 15, 2012 3:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, ya
he’d have to agree to sign an extension here before I’d want to do it.
He’s young and fantastic.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
Fine with me.
Benn Eriksson and Parise would be a sick line.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
Biggest names that might be available
Ryan/Perry/Getzlaf
Nash/Vermett (sp)
Iginla
Parise
That’s just offense. Personally I’d want Ryan or Parise.
Grossman/robi with 2nd and a 3rd. Might be able to land one of them.
by Trillmike on Jan 15, 2012 3:49 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Have you seen his contract?
by can we get hatcher back on Jan 15, 2012 4:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ya....scratch him from this conversation.
7 Mil per season til 2020. Tampa can keep him.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
wasn't even thinking about that when I threw his name in.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
Yikes.
I want nothing to do with a contract like that.
me neither.
can we abridge this thread to eliminate his name from it? hahaha
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
Doesnt Levavalier make around 6-7 mil a year?
And he’s overrated by a lot of players also.
"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."
that's what broke the camel's back for me.
i was good at 7.2M haha
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
If we put together the right deal
Maybe we could snag Parise and Zajac.
Zajac’s been injured lately.
Also have to consider that they might want to dump some salary. Volchenkov has a hefty salary, lengthy contract til like 2016 I think, but if we were willing to take Volchenkov (which I believe would help us) New Jersey might be more likely to dish Parise to us.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
That being said,
there’s no way they are going to drop any combination of Parise/Zajac/Volchenkov (aside from Parise solo) if they’re deep in the playoff hunt like they are now.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
Definitely will do.
But I think taking Volchenkov (assuming NJ wants to drop him) to get Parise would be a nice deal.
Also gotta think that Bachman could be thrown in to help that deal along. Brodeur is ancient.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
Just gotta remember, this isn't a deal that is meant to really help us THIS season.
Its for the future. It’ll help this year, sure, but having Parise here and signed will help us with getting more free agents in the offseason.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
Playing alongside guys like Benn, Eriksson, Ryder, Morrow and Ribeiro
should look much more attractive with Parise’s name thrown in.
To big time defensemen and forwards alike. Feeding guys like that would help a lot of guys’ point totals.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
Same here on the Ryan/Parise discussion.
I’d take Parise over Ryan because he’d probably come cheaper/we wouldn’t have to play what we sent to NJ all the time like we would with the Ducks. That being said, I’d love either.
For a deal involving Robidas, I’d look higher up the standings for a team that needs another solid defenseman to get them over the hump as a true contender. One of those teams might be willing to drop a top prospect for Robi and a mid-level draft pick. Or some other combo of young, promising player(s)/pick(s).
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
Very true.
On the flip side, maybe a Weber/Suter scenario is more likely now.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
I thought about that
But the Stars need a big time forward. I would S my pants if they landed Weber though.
I've always thought he was overated
Typical Habs fans making a good player into god. Dude that whole MTL thing a few days ago is ridiculous. I’m surprised they even signed him in the first place, he doesn’t speak French.
Ya, I don't want Cam, I was just messing around with that suggestion.
The Randy Moss of the NHL.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
What the hell happened in this thread?
You guys are awesome.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 15, 2012 4:21 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Nothing to do.
I haven’t been able to get the idea of trading Grossman out of my head since that story yesterday.
We always undervalued what big trades really mean.
It’s going to take giving up some assets that we love to man someone worthwhile in a trade.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 15, 2012 4:25 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
It's unfortunate that it has to be that way, but ya.
Hopefully it doesn’t cost us Larsen.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
Ya, Joe has to be throwing his name around.
Some doors probably won’t even open without it.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
Players know that the Stars have an owner that is committed to the future.
We may be surprised by who is interested in playing for the Stars now.
"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."
Nah man
You, Brad, Cole, Josh, Erin, and Taylor.
You guys give us this platform to voice our opinions.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Don't wake up in a roadside ditch.
Get DirecTV
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:25 PM CST reply actions
Yeah, I've thought about that too.
I have a Team USA Parise number 9 jersey. Love the guy.
I just love the fact that we can talk pure speculation,
But know in the back of our minds that we can ACTUALLY DO something now that Hicks is gone.
by Trillmike on Jan 15, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow I didn't realize Parise has scored 45 goals before.
Imagine RIbiero on a line with him providing set up passes, or even Benn and Eriksson for that matter.
If the Devils don’t resign him and we have the chance to pick him up over the summer without giving up players that would be AMAZING.
And he’s only 27.
"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."
Ya, that'd be awesome, but his price will be inflated due to us having to outbid other teams.
Just have to decide whether saving that cap space or saving players/prospects is more valuable.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
Hopefully Benn and Goligoski will be resigned by then too so they'll have a better idea of the cap situation going forward.
"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."
And New Jersey has ownwrship/financial problems.
But 28 other teams are gonna want Parise, and he’ll want to play for a contender. That’s not Dallas.
That's why we need to trade for him.
Give him a no movement clause. Gaglardi said he’s here to win. Parise would help that significantly.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
Ya, but him playing with Benn/Ribs/Erickson makes them a contender
He’d probably lick his chops about the idea of playing with them.
Could be.
I like to tell myself he’d like to play for the Stars bc his dad played for the North Stars.
Of course Wild fans use that same logic to say he wants to play for them.
that'd help us.
the wild aren’t the stars. geography be damned.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Every team has their own Benn/Loui
by can we get hatcher back on Jan 15, 2012 4:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
but if we traded for him, he could meet and come to love ours.
and stay.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Best part about getting Parise would be Ott getting pushed out of the top 6
He’s really a lackluster 2nd liner or an above average 3rd liner
by can we get hatcher back on Jan 15, 2012 4:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
plus the whole
mike modano, joe nieuwendyk, brett hull, jere lehtinen front office has to look good too.
and we have big HD screens in our arena, hot women, STEAK (as mentioned previously)
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
not to also mention that Nieuwendyk once played for the Devils.
that should buy him a little bit of bargaining power as well.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
DFW is a good area to live.
A lot of players come here (all sports) not knowing what to expect and freaking loving it here.
Mike Napoli is a perfect recent example.
If I were Joe/Gaglardi,
I’d use that. If we happened to get him here and not have the extension ready, I’d find a way to get guys like Napoli and Kinsler talking to him some off the ice.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
All great points.
But the Stars do need a true #1 shut down d man along with an infusion of top 6 talent.
I miss Hatcher, but hopefully Oleksiak will be that player.
"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."
That's what makes the Parise trade so important.
Big time defensemen will look here more with that infusion of top 6 talent added to what we already have.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
Parise would also help with the
we can send Pardy through waivers without risking dropping under the cap floor problem.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
Or we could trade him
for a couple pucks and a water bottle. Might be asking for too much with the bottle.
no one wants the salary.
that’s the only problem.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
Looking at it in straight swaps with guys who have expiring contracts
We might have to lose a guy like Petersen, Burish or Dowell to be able to afford a Parise contract extension on top of Benn and Goligoski’s.
On top of the guys we’d be sending to NJ. I think it’s worth it.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 4:59 PM CST reply actions
There are a few others with expiring contracts as well- at least a few that Joe is prob unsure of if he wants to resign them.
Fistric, Grossman and Souray off the top of my head.
"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."
Well I was thinking purely forwards with Parise being a forward, but ya them too.
Also, I figured that at least one of those first 2 would be headed to NJ.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
From NHLnumber.com
The Devils have just over $3.5M in cap space. Dallas can use that to their advantage. If you have to give up a guy like Larsen along with Grossman.
By the way Parise makes $6 in Jersey right now.
He'll cost MUCH more in the offseason.
Probably a million or so higher per year.
The cap space issue was why I think Nieuwendyk should work the taking Volchenkov too angle. He blocks shots and has like 2 more years left, but it’d help NJ substantially with cap space.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
Wandell will be RFA
That will be a tough call
"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."
I really think that these next few weeks with Ribeiro out will make or break him staying here.
And I’m probably his biggest advocate. His play has definitely picked up since he has wingers that can keep up with him, but he needs to watch the turnovers. My God those are annoying.
I have an ongoing love affair with Tom Wandell, but it's not gay at all, trust me
The better Wandell does, the more likely he's gone by March.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
Why is Wandell a tough call??
We signed Brunstrum as a RFA, I think it’s a no brainer that they will re-ink Wandell.
Just saw this discussion.
Few players I’d like, and would love for Dallas to kick the tires on…
Parise (For all the reasons stated above)
Spezza (A man can dream)
Jussi Jokinen (Isn’t a game changer offensively by any stretch of the imagination, but is a player that can move Benn back to wing. If this happens, we’d have 1A and 1B at center with Jokinen and Ribeiro)
Weber and/or Suter (Why the hell not)
Francois Beauchemin (Another all-around defenseman to replace one of the 3 we may let go)
JM Liles (Puck moving guy, poor man’s Goligoski, FA this summer)
Anyone else I should add to the list?
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From Carolina
much rather have Ruutu. He’d bring what Ott does to the top 6 plus goal scoring. Would be a great fit.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 15, 2012 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
JL Liles would be good.
Although we have Goligoski, Daley and Larsen prob on the roster for next year.
"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."
No more
tiny dmen. We have enough.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 15, 2012 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
How does Matt Carle sound? He's a bit bigger.
Don’t like his game as much as I like Liles’ though.
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i was thinking bout carle
hes not undersized and is capable defensively and on the pp.
philly is a team that needs D though so we would likely have to give them at least 2 d men to pry one away. maybe we could pick up a forward, rumors are theyve got JVR on the block
Dang
not many realistic trade scenarios here. Takes a lot more to get those guys. Hard for the Stars to trade for a star player. Benn and Eriksson would be about the only bait that could be used to land them. So it’s a no win.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 15, 2012 5:06 PM CST reply actions
Lot of teams trade star caliber guys with expiring contracts for solid prospects and a pick or two.
Lot of teams have no cap room and have to do something. That’s why having all the room we have helps us. Realistic to us and realistic to teams probably isn’t near the same, but thinking like I think NJ is thinking, they need cap room and they want something for Parise rather than lose him for nothing like we did with Richards.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
True,
a few players meet those requirements. Parise and Suter. Have a feeling Suter doesn’t go anywhere though.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 15, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
They'll likely trade the one that won't stay out of Weber/Suter
or the cheaper one. Either way, they can’t afford both.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
Realistically, I have no idea what Nashville would want for Weber.
Assuming they keep Suter, they’ll trade Weber. I’d think that Larsen would have to be a part of that deal. Probably a 2nd round pick as well. And one or two other prospects/players.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
Also, I found a comprehensive list of FA for next year, just in case we missed anyone.
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Could we get behind a scenario like
Grossman, Bachman, and a 2nd for Parise
and
Larsen, Vincour and a 1st for Weber
I feel like that could work, but I have no idea what NJ, Nashville wants. I also don’t feel like this hurts our future that much. Sure, it compromises this coming draft, but will one draft year without a 1 and 2 hurt us that much if it nets Parise and Weber for the next 5-6 years?
I’m not saying that this would work, but we have to start somewhere.
What scenarios do you feel are more accurate if this isn’t?
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:18 PM CST reply actions
don't be so sure.
what we did with richards and how it played out is a cautionary tale to the rest of the league in these scenarios.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather drop a pick than drop someone that we already know is a future NHL guy.
You never know with draft picks. Most don’t pan out.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
Gotta start working the phones NOW.
If the two GMs can come to a deal that is contingent on him signing here long term, Joe will be able to talk to Parise/Weber and work that out before the deal is set in stone.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know.
I bet one of those teams would want an elite player that can contribute now like Benn or Eriksson.
"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."
And if you trade for a player with an expiring contract at the end of the season,
You better be sure they wanna sign here long term.
"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."
plus, NJ doesn't need more salary
and Benn would put whatever they traded to us back on next year. same with eriksson.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
Heika
Just tweeted than Benn had an appendectomy today.. Blerg
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 15, 2012 5:26 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Annnnd there's the dagger.
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Time for Nieuwendyk to start making his own luck.
Get the trade phone warmed up.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
If he wasn't on the phone before, he better be now.
A move must be made. This season is sinking fast.
Makes all of the aforementioned trade scenarios that much more important.
need to get the big fix started. don’t trade for something just to band-aid til february.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
Seasons over
Mark every game that Benn and Ribs are both gone for as a loss
by can we get hatcher back on Jan 15, 2012 5:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What
Can they get for Benn’s infected appendix?
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 15, 2012 5:29 PM CST via Android app reply actions
speaking of NYI
do they have any goaltenders who aren’t hurt right now?
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:32 PM CST up reply actions
Heh, I'm pretty sure they're gonna try cloning Tavares and putting him in goal. Worth a shot. shot.
In all seriousness though, If I were them I’d see what Minny wants for Harding. Although they aren’t going anywhere till Ricky’s contract runs out, so why bother
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I think it's 2021.
This was the same GM that signed Yashin for… 10 years? I think?
Anyway if I were Tavares/Nino/Okposo, I’d wanna get out of there ASAP. Even though it’s only 4.5 million per, it’s a waste of a crucial roster spot.
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Dipietro is wangs fault
He came up with that contract iirc
by can we get hatcher back on Jan 15, 2012 5:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I saw Texas play a few weeks ago.
Fraser impressed me greatly. Like Sceviour too.
"Scott Glennie, c'mon dowwwwnnnnn!"
…Nah but seriously we’ve got nothin
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Ott is our new number 1 center.
Take a moment to let that sink in.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
I love Ott and I believe he'll do well, but he's no Benn.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
Shit just got real.
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lets just throw esposito out there.
screw it
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know.
Then Glennie would be really motivated to turn it around even more. With our luck he’d turn into a beast wherever he is traded.
"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."
Glennie
Has been scoring a lot lately.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 15, 2012 5:43 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
that's why he shouldn't come up here.
don’t want to derail the train.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
Him and the guy we got for Barch. I don't even remember his name.
But, hey, why the hell not?
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Yeah, I kinda wonder what we have to lose.
We’re gonna lose anyway…. may as well see if he can play.
That's my feeling of the season right now.
I mean, we’re not gonna be competitive in the playoffs (mark my words though, we will be next year), so why not just experiment with what you have this year? I’d rather do that than gamble with that glimmer of hope like we did last year.
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i like these priject players low risk high reward.
hope it works out. i remmeber hearing alot about this guy back in 07
GET OFF NIEUWENDYK'S NUTS
I always hear that goalies arent worth much on the trade market.
Why is this?
It seem strange since goalie is the most important position.
"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."
only valuable to teams without them.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
Now that Bachman has proved he can play at the NHL level,
Maybe he would be worth more in a trade.
"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."
That's why my Parise trade scenario includes him.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
What goalies do the Devils have besides Brodeur?
"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."
The greatness that is Johan Hedberg.
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Hedberg
And their both declining bigtime this season
by can we get hatcher back on Jan 15, 2012 5:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
word is the devils have a couple prospects in net
they knew marty would wear out eventually and they have a slew of goalies in their system, but non have great odds
Eriksson's ticket comes with a hefty price tag.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
Does Loui automatically get the nod to ensure the Stars are represented?
Or does the NHL think Jamie just being named to the team counts as the Stars representation and someone else could get the call up?
Crap.
Benn and Ribs out? Wonder what Glennie can do…lol.
Our GM,
who art in the front office,
on Conn Smythe be they name.
by ex_seraphim (Angelou del Angel) on Jan 15, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
10-14 days max according to Joe
by Lone star hockey32 on Jan 15, 2012 6:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Worley is trying to compose himself before he starts writing...
by PrussianBlue on Jan 15, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
Naw, 1-3 weeks isn't too bad.
if it were season-ending, that would be a different story.
Our GM,
who art in the front office,
on Conn Smythe be they name.
by ex_seraphim (Angelou del Angel) on Jan 15, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
1-3 weeks is long enough to end our season.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
Especially without Ribs...
Our GM,
who art in the front office,
on Conn Smythe be they name.
by ex_seraphim (Angelou del Angel) on Jan 15, 2012 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
If the worst-case scenario happens and we go on a big skid, I honestly just want them to pack it up and start prepping to be the contenders they'll be next year
I’m sorry, I just don’t see us causing damage in the playoffs even if we do make it.
I have an ongoing love affair with Tom Wandell, but it's not gay at all, trust me
the playoffs are integral to building the fan base.
the atmosphere is unbelievable.
they need to start the trade wagon moving NOW. if we can land someone huge and get Benn and Ribs back at roughly the same time, we’d be good. Maybe not playoff good depending on how far we slip here, but prepared for next year.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
all of this Benn news really makes my struggles in nhl 12 pale in comparison.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:42 PM CST reply actions
I'll be back on soon.
Needed to take a breather after losing by at least 6 in three straight.
I have an ongoing love affair with Tom Wandell, but it's not gay at all, trust me
Ya, i'm gonna finish watching the giants (hopefully) collapse.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
Ya...that'd be nice too.
in that sense.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't Modano have an appendectomy a few yrs ago?
"The Dallas Cowboys announced they have released Jerry Jones."
It was all promising and fun
and then someone shot it with a bazooka.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
There is already a trade deadline fan post
I rec’d it. Go rec the post and it’ll bounce to the top of the list.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
Time to see if Jordie Benn can play centre
No way do we dress 7 dmen and let Pardy have gap control the size of the Red Sea when Moses parted it
Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?
by Great British Stars Fan on Jan 15, 2012 5:50 PM CST reply actions
oh and I forgot, FAIL FOR NAIL!!!
Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?
by Great British Stars Fan on Jan 15, 2012 5:51 PM CST reply actions
Time for Modano to lace them up again.
And I’m not kidding.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:51 PM CST reply actions
And Lehtinen.
Our GM,
who art in the front office,
on Conn Smythe be they name.
by ex_seraphim (Angelou del Angel) on Jan 15, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
Ya, but not right now
I’m so sick of seeing all these things about Dallas needing to be moved to quebec because attendance sucks
...It doesn't suck.
It sucked for the first, say, 12 home games, but ever since the prices went down, thing’s have been awesome.
I have an ongoing love affair with Tom Wandell, but it's not gay at all, trust me
I'm dreading to think the Ducks will catch us
They must be the most jammy-ist team I have ever seen.
Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?
by Great British Stars Fan on Jan 15, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
The Ducks suck
let’s be real here. It won’t be that bad.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
Nieuwendyk looked okay in the Alumni game
Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?
by Great British Stars Fan on Jan 15, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
Trade phone..
I’ve always believed that when a GM makes a minor deal before the deadline, the focus shouldn’t be on the deal itself, but the fact that they probably discussed players, needs and maybe mentioned names of guys that they feel may be available/shopped around the league.
In previous years, we made a minor deal with Tampa and then months later, we did the Richards deal. We’ve made 2 recent deals with the Panthers, a team Joe Nieuwendyk was a player and a training executive with.
I really hope that we can make a move on Ellerby, who could probably be had for very little.
Past that, I think Dallas should seriously take a look at Ryan and Parise, whom many of you have mentioned wanting. I also think we should kick tires on Brassard, Jussi Jokinen, even Olli Jokinen (never been a fan, but maybe he’s available and the price is right)…
If a major deal for Parise or Ryan, or even Brassard were to cost us Glennie or Larsen, so be it. You have to give something to get something. And I think that we have enough offensive and defensive prospects to take from a strength to add to a weakness. Besides- at least Parise and Ryan are proven, whereas our prospects that everyone seems so worried about trading away, are not a sure thing. Case in point: Vishnevskiy,,,
Agreed. I went and rec'd your trade deadline fan post.
It definitely needs to have more discussion. Especially after the speculation in this thread and the news that hit.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
Esposito
I heard that his injuries are knee injuries, and that they’ve been pretty severe. Isn’t this a huge red flag, or do people still have hope for him? I’m kind of feeling like he’s Stefan 2.0. I really hope he becomes our next Ribeiro.
I know nothing about him, honestly.
Most people seem to think he never makes it to the NHL.
But our season is sinking fast, and at best we are an 8 seed that loses in the 1st rd (and that’s at best. I think we’re a 10th place team, myself). With our top 2 Cs out, why not see if we have someone else who can play?
I check out for a couple hours and miss 300 comments?
lol wut.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Benn, yeah...
appendectomies suck.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Well it's not 3 weeks
So there’s that
I have an ongoing love affair with Tom Wandell, but it's not gay at all, trust me
Just feel as though they'd want something bigger for Parise.
Grossman’s grow on trees. Come to think of it, that might be enough for just Parise, but definitely not him AND Zajac.
I have an ongoing love affair with Tom Wandell, but it's not gay at all, trust me
Add Larsen and they might consider it
If their out of the race
by can we get hatcher back on Jan 15, 2012 6:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe, but everyone knows Parise is just a rental.
So his value won’t be insanely high.
A lot of it depends on what exactly the devils want.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Don't think he'd be a rental for us.
It’s not like we’re one piece away or anything.
I have an ongoing love affair with Tom Wandell, but it's not gay at all, trust me
We've got enough cap space and prospects to get the pieces we need to get back to the second season.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
Not denying that at all.
I’m just referring to this season.
I have an ongoing love affair with Tom Wandell, but it's not gay at all, trust me
Oh, ya. This season is done unless he makes these deals before the end of the week.
or the Stars shock me and most everyone by winning without both ribs and benn
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
I'm saying that there's no guarantee that he'd re-sign with us.
I would be fins with throwing in some conditionals.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
That could work
I didn’t even think of that.
I just want Parise and Weber and I really hope that Joe pushes hard to get them. If he could land one of them, I’d be ecstatic.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
Suter may go for cheaper.
And he’s just as good as weber IMO
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
We got to the point that we figured Suter would stay in Nashville because Weber was most certainly leaving.
but I’d take Suter too for sure.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
But
Weber is a RFA and Suter a UFA. Doesn’t make that easier to keep Weber? You’d give up a king’s ransom to sign him in FA, knowing that, Nashville would ask for more in trade than a rental like Suter.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 15, 2012 6:37 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Exactly.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
It's
Why I’d given up on the Weber fantasy and moved onto Suter. Of any realistic trade or FA options Suter is definitely at the top of my list. Then Parise. A Suter is more rare than a first line winger. Something we don’t have, a #1 shut down D.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Jan 15, 2012 6:45 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I think Joe has to know if he can resign Parise/Weber before dropping what I proposed for them.
or at least have some kind of assurance that they’ll stay.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
I was thinking more for Parise and Volchenkov
help NJ’s salary issues. but when I proposed the Grossy, Bachman 2nd deal it was just for Parise.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 15, 2012 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
Yes.
I’d love Volchenkov. Great shutdown guy!
by Chris Barnard on Jan 15, 2012 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
That'd never happen
They’re not ready to blow things up just yet in The Garden State. If anything, we may be able to get a guy like Zubrus alongside Parise, which I wouldn’t mind personally.
NJ is looking for a starting goaltender, and though I like Bachman, I think of him more as a backup. Besides, he’s undersized. They’ll go hard after a Bernier or someone like that, if anything.
I think Parise would cost us a draft pick, a guy like Glennie, another prospect and probably a roster player. Much like the Hossa deal a few yrs ago, where Pittsburgh had to send a 3rd line winger, a non roster prospect (Christensen- no real loss, though maybe Atlanta thought he’d be better at the time) and a prospect in Esposito. So if its the same, this could look like:
To Dal: Parise
To NJ: Larsen, Glennie, Wandell. Maybe even more
This is at least somewhat plausible
The Parise+Zajac trade suggested is crazy and would never be accepted by the Devils. Even the above trade, the Devils would probably want a decently high draft pick (2nd or 3rd) as well. Of the bunch, only Larsen has shown he’s on track with his potential. Wandell has yet to stay consistent and Glennie is seems to be on the same inconsistent boat. I hate to say it, but it’s already been said previously; we don’t have very many tradable assets.
I really don't think Joe is going to do anything "big" this year...
If the team was closer to being a contender, then I’m sure he’d be doing everything he could to get a guy like Suter or Parise to take the Stars to the next level. Even when healthy, I’m just not convinced this is a team that can contend. Steal a 7th or 8th place spot? For sure…but we need more than one piece.
Suter or Weber (if the stars aligned) would be far and away my #1 choices in the trade market if it wasn’t just a rental. If not, I’d rather trade someone(s) expendable for more draft picks. I think the way the Stars have to re-tool is trickier than a re-build. We need as many draft picks as possible to build the farm system.
going to overpay big on Suter and Weber
doesnt matter if you trade for one of them or go through FA, they play in an very defensive system and have an amazingly underrated eraser behind them in rinne, both are still great players, but i feel their best seasons will be had in nashville, playing with one another
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