Contemplating Nicklas Grossman's Future As A Dallas Stars Defenseman
Nicklas Grossman, a member of the three-player class of defensemen that impressed us so much back in that magical 2007-08 season, has been viewed as the years progressed as the most solid of the three and the one with the most potential in the future for the Dallas Stars.
A big, defensively strong blueliner, Grossman has been the most consistent player out himself, Mark Fistric and the departed Matt Niskanen -- and some felt he could be a major part of what the Stars are building for the future.
As with Niskanen, the development curve of Fistric and Grossman has flattened out a bit as Grossman has gone from a defenseman with hopeful upside as a big body in front of the net to a player with limited offensive ability who struggles at times defensively. A player the fans have grown to love, it's been puzzling to see the promising player regress in some ways this season, leading to a question that has begun to linger about his future with this organization.
Grossman is one of many free agents the Stars will have to make a decision on this summer. Along with Alex Goligoski, Mark Fistric, Philip Larsen and Sheldon Souray, the Stars are going to have to determine who on this team has a future with the franchise, especially considering the defensive talent the Stars are cultivating in the system and who will be moving up to the AHL next season.
There are many unknowns associated with this decision, especially when you consider that we truly have no knowledge of what this organization thinks about the long-term future of players like Brenden Dillon, Jordie Benn and even more importantly Philip Larsen.
Dillon is under team control for another two years after this season, yet the Stars will have to make decisions about players like Benn -- who has essentially come from nowhere -- along with their NHL players in Grossman, Souray, Larsen and Fistric.
The catch here is that Grossman, along with Souray, will become an unrestricted free agent this summer. The Stars are likely facing some lengthy contract talks with Goligoski, who undoubtedly will be a key part of the future of the team. Souray will be 36 next season and while he's enjoyed a good comeback year there's no guarantee he returns to Dallas next season.
The Stars will then likely face a decision in regards to Fistric and Grossman, not only which player has the most potential for the future but which player is more valuable in the long run. Fistric will be a restricted free agent so the option of losing him to free agency doesn't exist; Grossman, however, will hit the open market on July 1st if he doesn't sign an extension with Dallas in the meantime.
The key to this decision is the trade deadline and whether the Stars can reach a deal with Grossman before the end of February. If no deal exists, and the Stars face the chance of losing Grossman to free agency this summer, could the defenseman then become part of a trade the Stars use to help bolster a roster in need of scoring depth at the forward position?
Right now, while it's tough to see Grossman struggle (last night's game against Los Angeles was easily his worst of the season ) there's little doubt that Grossman is a more valuable defenseman than Mark Fistric, especially in a trade. He's also more valuable to the Stars, who have need to create balance on defense with solid, stay-at-home blueliners -- something that Grossman has excelled at until this season.
While Grossman's struggles this year certainly worry Stars fans, he's still been the most consistent penalty killer for the Stars this season and a big part of why that unit has improved as the season progressed. While there were some struggles last night against Los Angeles, over the course of the season Grossman has at least been reliable on the penalty kill, something that is incredibly valuable for a team struggling with special teams.
What is frustrating is seeing Grossman held back from really taking that next step because of his lack of physicality. For such a big defenseman (6-4, 230), the gentle giant rarely lays the big hit or crushes players around the net. Last night against the Kings, Grossman had the chance to bury a player along the boards and instead chose to merely rub him off the puck -- which then led to a scoring chance for LA.
So where does Grossman fit in the future plans for this team? Alone, it's doubtful that he would fetch much in a trade if needed but he would certainly be a major piece as a solid 3/4 defenseman. The Stars must decide if Grossman's future is worth the contract he's likely seeking after this season, and whether his presence would help or hurt the future at that position with so many other defensemen coming up through the system in the near future.
Many unknowns -- notably how the Stars view the value of players like Fistric, Larsen, Dillon, etc -- but there's no doubt that until the trade deadline passes or Grossman signs an extension, questions about his future with this franchise will linger.
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I think Grossman needs to be paired with Robi again
That pair was solid last year, for the right price I’d like to have him back but He’s definitely not a must sign like Goose is especially with nemeth and oleksiak likely both being in the AHL next season
by can we get hatcher back on Jan 13, 2012 2:41 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Good Point
Wonder what kinda package deal we could do…an who would we try an go after…Hmmmm
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by k9mike on Jan 13, 2012 2:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I agree...
Grossman looks lost out there. He played a lot better with Robi last year. Maybe getting them back together will help him get his confidence back. I don’t think we lose anything if Souray is paired with Daley.
Pardy, on the other hand, needs to go away. When Larsen comes back, we need to waive Pardy and bury his contract in the minors.
by fivefourfighting on Jan 13, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
idk if we can say its safe to trade him
because of dillon benn and other young guys who haven’t really played in the nhl. we have a lot of big stay at home guys in our system but there a few years away. we need him for atleast a few more years to see if anyone else can do better.
GET OFF NIEUWENDYK'S NUTS
disagree
we have so many Dmen in the system that even if half of them play up to their projected potential we would have a crowded D corp
the biggest thing is how committed to the youth joe wants to get, and how many (and what kind of) veterans do we need around to help them to the top.
Timidness
I think if Grossman played as physical as Fistric …Man…me would be a beast. That is one of the things that has always bugged me about him…Dude is big like Hatcher, but plays about as agrressive as little Larsen…lol
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by k9mike on Jan 13, 2012 2:52 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I don't think there is room for Grossman.
The big body who plays small – the Penner of defence? Although Fistric is much more limited, guys are timid to get a puck in the corner with him bearing down. Would rather see a more cost effective and younger guy get time to play. I don’t think this team would best be suited paying him top 4 money when he is better suited for a 3rd pairing role in regards to his skill set.
Here’s a the Matchup Summary I did on my Kings blog:
http://theannoyingpeasant.com/2012/01/13/181/
By Fenwick standards Grossman/Daley had a incredibly effective game (although he was -1 at ES).
Great game last night BTW can’t wait for the rematch!
Grossman and Daley have been great since being paired up a month ago.
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Yeah...he had some miscues
but Grossman and Daley is a very solid pairing.
I’m not saying this is even a strong possibility just that its a decision to be made.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 13, 2012 3:23 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
he's still a decent defenseman...
he’s just not the shutdown d-man that we thought he would become. And with all the competition for the minors coming up, it makes for a tough choice, given his season so far.
Hopefully he turns it around. But if he continues like he has for the first half of the season, I think he’s gone.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
If Stars let go...
Grossman, Fistric and Souray… The D looks pretty small.
Not saying we must get fools like Sutton to get big, but it’s still something to think about.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
Ya, but...
the size is irrelevant when you don’t use it. I prefer a guy like Larsen over Grossman. Larsen is not at all afraid to throw the body around. Im sure guys are afraid of Grossman the first time they play against him but it doesn’t take long to figure out that there’s nothing to be afraid of. Signing him just so that we look big is a huge mistake.
by Scotty Haman on Jan 13, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't mean that.
What I did mean is this. If Stars let them all three go, they should get some new guys. Atleast two…
Goligoski, Larsen, Daley, Robidas are all good to have, but they are pretty small ones. Doesn’t mean the team have to have Grossman, just do something about it.
And Pardy… He isn’t in this topic.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
by Henri Muroke on Jan 13, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
That's because this is a conversation
about people who know how to play hockey
Hear hear. =)
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
by Henri Muroke on Jan 14, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
Please trade Grossman… really enough is enough.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t hate the guy but his play exiting the zone and digging around the boards in our own end is horrible this year. He doesn’t crash and bang like Fistric or have poise and a booming shot like Souray so his size is of little advantage. Bad clearing attempts, missed keep-ins (i.e. LA last night) and all around unreliable defensive coverage leave me feeling very uneasy when he’s on the ice. Maybe moving him back with Robi like some have suggested would help during the second half but long term I would like to see him move on this summer, or sooner if the trade winds blow.
I've always liked Grossman...but...
I hope he bounces back, because it was painful to watch him last night. I’d hate to see him go in a trade, but there are others I’d hate to lose more…and if we could get something needed in return before he becomes unrestricted…I’m all for it.
Hate to say it...
but Grossman hit his peak. If we could get him for a year or two it might be worth it. I think we have a better chance on July 1st with Free Agency. Nashville has to lock up both Suter and Weber and they just extended Rinne. There is no way they are going to be able to keep all 3 of those guys and still field a complete roster. I imagine Grossman going after a similar contract to the one Daley got. I just don’t see Grossman being worth 3.5 mil for 5 years or however long it is. I would take Larsen over Grossman any day. The size is irrelevant when you don’t use it. It’s not about the size of the dog in the fight, it’s about the size of the fight in the dog and Grossman fights like a Chihuahua.
I've been thinking over the past week that he's probably trade bait
Not going to get much for him unless he signs with the other team. I keep thinking of dream trade scenarios that include him/pick/Bachman for Ryan. I know the likelihood of that that happening is very small, but hey, a fella can dream.
I think Souray plays a large part.
But I also think Souray is going to want a big raise and at least a few years. So doubtful anything gets done with him till summer unless the Stars make a very attractive offer. I think the chances of us keeping Souray are not good.
If we have Souray and Fistric locked up I don’t mind losing Grossman if we can’t get him cheap. But if Souray is gone I want to sign Grossman. Fistric would be exposed playing Grossmans minutes. Without Souray he is our best stay at home body. Yes, he doesn’t light people up with hits. But he does put his body on them and tie them up and ride them to the corner. Something the lightweights we would be left with would just not be able to do against some of the big power forwards in the West.
Then again, I know I’m a sucker for any of our home grown guys. lol
I’ve been disappointed with Grossman, but there is no denying that paired with Daley they have been one of our most effective and consistent pairs playing every game for us.
opps forgot my last thought ...
We do have some nice prospects. BUT they are at least two years away and they are just prospects. Nisky and Vishnevskiy were highly regarded prospects that never gelled. You just never know. You do know that Nickolas is a solid, big stay at home NHL defenseman. I think he is thinking a bit too much this year … a couple of partner and coaching changes can do that to a young player. I think he will rebound, but he is never going to be an offensive force nor a nasty, physical D-man like Souray.
Whatever happens
I do not want Souray bak
by can we get hatcher back on Jan 13, 2012 4:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
His inability to get his shot through traffic, slow foot speed and beyond all the retard penalties
by can we get hatcher back on Jan 13, 2012 4:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Early on his shot was getting through until opponents started tailoring their game plan to cover him better. But when they do that it opens up more space for the forwards and is why he’s a +10. I agree with some of the penalties but the whole team was riding that wagon for a while. His foot speed will never be the greatest but he’s rarely out of position and makes up for lack of speed with tremendous poise with the puck and gritty, hardnosed defense. I still like him on the team and would be happy with two more years while the youth is developing.
His passing ability is probably worse than mine
Which is what allows opposing teams to crowd him without getting burned and he is the only person that can’t shake the penalties probably 1/4 of PPs he is on he manages to take a minor the penalties have alot to do with his speed too
by can we get hatcher back on Jan 13, 2012 5:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Really?
I think he’s been a fantastic addition to the team and I hope Joe manages to resign him.
by WingnutInStarsCountry on Jan 13, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
I always love having conversations in my own head!
lol
I can still see Grossman developing into a very solid stay at home guy like Mattias Norstrom. Not sure he has that much upside, but if he settles down a bit I can see him topping out very much in that mode.
I’m not a Souray lover, he has lots of faults. But I really like the edge he brings to the defense. I wouldn’t mind him getting a couple of years to try and instill a bit of that in guys like Grossman.
That might actually be a bit much...
Depending on who the prospect is. But Suter is a guy that could take any team to the next level.
Suter - Goligoski.
Would be nice pair. Or I like the idea.
Goose needs a regular. Not Fistric/Pardy.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
by Henri Muroke on Jan 13, 2012 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
Not bad, not bad.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
by Henri Muroke on Jan 14, 2012 7:14 AM CST up reply actions
All of the defenseman in our system are still unproven
I would like to keep him here next season unless we get sign someone big in free agency
Robi is on his downslide
He is old and small…his body cant hold up.
it doesn't help being on our 3rd coach in 4 years.
I think it stunted the growth of a bunch of young players. Grossman, Wandell, Fistric and Niskanen might have progressed better without huge turnover on the coaching staff. I am pretty sure Benn and Loui would have progressed just fine with me or any other shmuck coaching them.
I've never really felt guilty. I've been FOUND guilty.
This is a really good point.
All the more reason to hope we get at least five-six years out of Gully, so we have a smart and steady hand guiding the infusion of youth.
Our GM,
who art in the front office,
on Conn Smythe be they name.
by ex_seraphim (Angelou del Angel) on Jan 14, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
We have
a glut of young defensemen and wingers, and we need young centers. In my mind, we’re coming to the point where we turn one into the other. Of the group above, Goligoski and Larsen must be resigned. Souray must remain with the team through the deadline but, sadly, must be let go to make room for youth. I remain unimpressed with Jordie Benn and would be fine seeing him go. This leaves Grossman and Fistric.
The long and the short of it is we only need one. Grossman is much better at this point, but Fistric can become a comparable defenseman with the right coach teaching him. If Grossman can fetch a talented young center, pull the trigger. Otherwise, try to keep him for cheap and see what can be had for Fistric.

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