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Dallas Stars Training Camp: Is NHL Roster Already Set?

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The Dallas Stars are headed to training camp this weekend, kicking off the first official practices of the 2011 season in PEI on Saturday at noon. The players have been in Frisco the past few weeks working out on the ice on their own and after three straight years of frustration, there's a growing sense of optimism around a team that has been underwhelming at best despite loads of potential.

One part of training camp that is always interesting is seeing which young players might make the push for the NHL. Two seasons ago Jamie Benn set the preseason on fire and forced his way onto the team. Last season Tomas Vincour and Aaron Gagnon made it tough to send them back to the AHL and both spend considerable time in the NHL later in the season.

As we approach this year's training camp I look at the roster and wonder if there is even a spot up for grabs and if so, who might take it?

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What's interesting about this preseason is that the feeling about the team with the new coaching staff is much different than the last time the Stars changed the man behind the bench. Going from Dave Tippett to Marc Crawford was met with criticism and trepidation, as fans didn't really know what to expect from one of the more infamous coaches in the NHL. Sure, we were intrigued to see what this new "system" might bring after Tippett but there was still an air of pessimism about the whole change.

This season, Marc Crawford has been jettisoned in favor of the young and charismatic Glen Gulutzan who brings with him a completely different approach to coaching a hockey team. He's been successful as a coach at the ECHL and AHL levels and preaches responsible hockey while also acknowledging a need to connect with his players. On top of that, he talks about making hockey fun again for the Stars -- something that has been sorely lacking the past few seasons.

One way that any new coach can make waves with a team is creating competition on the roster. He sends a message that no player is safe no matter how much tenure they have and that only performance and production matter. In hockey, it's much tougher to just outright cut someone like what happens in the NFL, but there's nothing more effective than sending a message by giving a young player a healthy chance to prove himself -- and forcing the veterans to do the same.

We don't know what sort of coach, in this regard, Gulutzan is going to be. However, even if he encourages competition, given the nature of the NHL contract system and the finances of the Stars it's going to be tough for younger players to force themselves onto the roster.

The Stars currently have 22 players signed to a one-way contract. If you'll remember, a one-way contract only means that if that player is sent to the AHL then they are paid their NHL salary. Two-way contracts only mean the salaries change if the player makes it through waivers -- if necessary -- and make it to the AHL. These financial implications are very important to the Stars right now because many of the players currently in the AHL who might take one of these spots would then see their salary jump considerably.

Let's take a look at the current roster, with players signed to a one-way contract:

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Mike Ribeiro
Loui Eriksson
Brenden Morrow
Michael Ryder
Steve Ott
Vernon Fiddler
Radek Dvorak
Adam Burish
Krys Barch
Jamie Benn
Jake Dowell
Toby Petersen
Tom Wandell

Stephane Robidas
Trevor Daley
Adam Pardy
Alex Goligoski
Sheldon Souray
Nicklas Grossman
Mark Fistric

Kari Lehtonen
Andrew Raycroft

That's 22 players already signed with 23 spots total available. The problem is, that final spot is likely going to be taken by Eric Godard, signed to a two-way contract this summer for the Dallas Stars. So, with 23 rosters spots apparently filled, is there even a chance for a younger player to make the team? If Glen Gulutzan is serious about being competitive, holding the team accountable and winning -- there certainly should be.

In a perfect world, the Dallas Stars would put the best players in the NHL that they could regardless of contract status. We have to remember that even if a player has a two-way contract, like Godard, they still need to pass through waivers on their way to the AHL if they've accrued enough playing time. That's a big factor as well, although there's always a chance that a player like Godard or Petersen could make it through unscathed -- they'd just have to be outplayed in the preseason by younger players. Considering what role Godard was signed to fill -- to make the Stars a tougher team to play against -- I find it hard to say he's one of the first to go.

At the same time, if a younger player does make such an impression in camp that he's obviously ready for the next step, the front office is going to have a difficult decision to make. It seems as if the roster is already set and ready to go, but there's always the likelihood of a player forcing his way onto the roster and someone like Godard or Barch could be the sacrificial lamb.

Hence, there appears to possibly be one spot -- likely at forward -- at least open for competition from the young players at camp. Tomas Vincour, based on his playing time last season with the Stars, likely has a leg up on the competition and should get a considerable chance at claiming this spot.

More importantly, Vincour's salary is only $800k at the NHL level. If someone like Scott Glennie were to make the NHL roster, his salary would jump from $67,500 to $900k, with potential bonuses reaching a total salary of $1.6 million. That's not an insignificant jump for a team with a limited payroll, who is about to file for bankruptcy at any hour.

Forgetting the financial implications for a moment, let's take a look at who could actually push for an NHL roster spot if contracts had nothing to do with the process.

The first name that comes to mind is Brenden Dillon, who appeared to be near-NHL ready at this week's prospects tournament. He's recently out of the juniors and only played a handful of games for the Texas Stars but he's already bringing with him some hype that he's going to be ready for the NHL much sooner than later. Unfortunately, the Stars already have seven defensemen under contract and it's going to be tough to see Dillon take one of their spots right away out of camp.

More importantly, if Dillon were to make the NHL roster, he'd likely be taking Mark Fistric's spot and become the seventh defenseman on the team. For a player with lots of talent yet is still lacking in overall experience, it's important that Dillon get valuable minutes as a top-pair defenseman and he'll get that in the AHL -- not in Dallas. Perhaps this is a case of Dillon starting off  in the AHL before breaking in with the big club out of camp.

There are two other names coming into camp that intrigue me. Richard Bachman and Tyler Beskorowany both had sensational seasons last year in Austin and both were stellar in camp last year as well. Beskorowany in particular has come on the past year like a bat out of hell, showing impressive skill and fortitude in net after taking the backup position in Austin once Brent Krahn was injured.

Both are going to get a chance this preseason to prove they belong in the NHL and to take that backup position from Andrew Raycroft. Forcing the front office to make a difficult choice in net behind Kari Lehtonen is a good thing -- unfortunately, Raycroft's contract switched to a one-way contract after last season. The good news is that he's only going to be making $600k, a very manageable number should the Stars decide to go that route.

What about forward, however, since the Stars currently only have 12 forwards under contract?

0926-godard-vincour-m_mediumOf course, there's always Vincour, who showed some skill and lots of energy in his time with Dallas last season. Ondrej Roman looked much better in Traverse City this weekend and could get a good look as well, although it seems that he's going to need more time in the AHL to really start to realize his potential.

That brings us to Matt Fraser, an intriguing prospect who was one of the best players for the Stars in the tournament and who is coming off a tremendous season in the CHL. He's a late bloomer who wasn't signed by the Stars until last season, but there appears to be some real potential there for a diamond in the rough.

Fraser could provide a good scoring boost on the fourth line for the Stars, especially if he's playing with Petersen or Wandell. There's speed and physicality there, along with good scoring potential. This would also help to set up the four rolling lines that Gulutzan has been preaching and something the Stars have been needing for a few seasons now.

Yet, like with Dillon, Fraser would be fighting for that final forward spot and could end up getting scratched on a number of occasions. The question is whether it would be better for the Stars to have Fraser in the NHL, rather than have him further developing in the AHL.

There are a few intriguing battles coming in training camp, even if the NHL roster already appears set. If the young players make a big push -- like Jamie Benn in 2009 -- then we could see some very interesting choices being forced upon the coaches.

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This idea could be incredibly stupid but I thought I'd throw it out there...

If there are multiply players who could potentially be NHL ready and might like experience on that level is it possible to rotate who is that final spot? So let them spend most of the season getting top line minutes etc in the AHL and send them up to Dallas for a half a dozen/dozen games or so in order for them to get experience playing in the NHL. I assume there are potential problems with getting claimed off waivers etc which would make it a dumb idea. But I thought I would at least ask the question.

by Huw Wales on Sep 15, 2011 11:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Considering the waiver rules, this is certainly a possibility.

We need to look at how close Vincour is to reaching this limit as well.

by Brandon Worley on Sep 15, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

What about Godard?

Is he not signed to a 1-way contract? Wouldn’t that bump the list up to 23 players?

by GeneralSpecific on Sep 15, 2011 11:48 AM CDT reply actions  

He's signed to a two-way contract his first year of the contract.

I actually failed to mention this, and it’s been added to the post.

I was thrown off by looking at the salary charts, and Godard was not listed under the NHL contracts.

by Brandon Worley on Sep 15, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Last year

I remember standing there in Frisco after a practice… and Mike Heika asked Marc Crawford about (I think it was Blindenbacher) and painted this big “What if” picture for him.. .What if you decide you NEED to have him, or someone else…. can it be done financially? Is that an option?

And with little hesitation Crawford said he thought management would be supportive of a decision like that if they felt they needed to make it.

With Gagnon and Vincour and Blindenbacher held on to so long into preseason and after… we thought they might actually try to make one of those kinds of decisions, but ultimately didn’t.

So it makes you wonder… would they do the same this year if someone wowed them?

I believe they would. I believe the internal budget is closer to $52 million this year, and they’re only at 49, so… I think there’s wiggle room.

But it would have to be a STAND OUT performance from someone to force their hand in that manner.

by Brad Gardner on Sep 15, 2011 11:58 AM CDT reply actions  

I think Dillon is likely to outperform Fistric.

But I also don’t want him stuck as the 7th defenseman.

by Brandon Worley on Sep 15, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

What do you think a reasonable estimation of Fraser's talent ceiling is?

Second liner? He was a big bright spot in Traverse City, and I know his scoring touch is his major asset. Where do you see him long-term?

by GCO on Sep 15, 2011 12:27 PM CDT reply actions  

I have no idea.

I’ve only ever seen him play one game, which is a horrible way to scout a player.

Just by going with his skill set and his development so far — if he becomes a regular third line center then things went really well for him.

by Brandon Worley on Sep 15, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

One thing about last season I thought was kind of telling....
On top of that, he talks about making hockey fun again for the Stars — something that has been sorely lacking the past few seasons.

Didn’t they stop doing the Warrior Sword in February or so last season? I think that can point towards the “we’re not having fun anymore” category.

As for the little ones pushing for a roster spot, I tend to agree with Brad. It could happen. But it would have to be an amazing performance to do it. And I would rather all of them spend more time in the AHL and get those valuable minutes in order to be ready for next season. There will be injuries throughout the season, and they’ll all get their chances. No need to rush them onto the roster just yet.

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by Tsudbury on Sep 15, 2011 12:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm interested to see if Fraser or Glennie lasts longer in camp

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by Josh Lile on Sep 15, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

If that's true, that's a shame.

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by Tsudbury on Sep 15, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

not in a "shame on them" kind of way.

Just thought it was 1. a great bonding thing for them, and 2. a great way to be more relatable to fans, showing that they were having fun like that.

If it got too public though, I can kind of understand why they cut it short.

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by Tsudbury on Sep 15, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was terrible timing

TSN did that great piece on it, and then BAM.

7-4 loss to Calgary, 7-1 loss to Vancouver, and then the season just unraveled from there. They departed on that road trip carrying the damned thing on their backs up the plane and it was so cool and iconic for a team that was kicking so much ass and then by the time Valentines day rolled around it was like…you didn’t mention that to them.

by Brad Gardner on Sep 15, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

that sucks.

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by Tsudbury on Sep 15, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think they should bring the sword back

but with a redefined role. Last season it was for playing through lamest injury possible, which was funny, but lost it’s attractiveness once people started actually getting hurt. Perhaps they could hand it out once a week to the guy who legitimately played through the toughest injury as a way of recognizing true effort. You wouldn’t need to switch it every time, because often it would stay where it was from game to game. But moving at a slower pace, it very well could represent pride in each other

by PSyCo2012 on Sep 15, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Question for Brandon Worley

who’s is Cole Grbavac it’s seam a real good enforcer?

by frankmaynard on Sep 15, 2011 12:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Undrafted.

Not under contract. He’s a big, enforcer type who doesn’t score much. Don’t know if there’s going to be much room for those types in the NHL any more.

by Brandon Worley on Sep 15, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would be nice to see Fraser.

There’s always injuries.

One thing I really like about Gulutzan is how he is feeling about rolling four lines. It’s a good thing.

Good times are here and Stars will take what belongs to them. Sooner or Later.

by Henri Muroke on Sep 15, 2011 2:03 PM CDT reply actions  

on a completely unrelated note..

Selanne is coming back. Somehow I figured he would. I hate the ducks so much.

by T-rom on Sep 15, 2011 3:00 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions  

Personally, given that Dillon, Glennie, Fraser have all spent relatively little time in the AHL

I’d much rather see them get a full season there. I’m a big, big proponent of bringing prospects along slowly unless they demonstrate they’re absolutely ready (i.e., Benn, Jamie). I’m even more of a proponent of bringing defensemen along slowly, because I think it’s just critical they learn how to handle situations at each level before being thrown into the NHL fire.

Even young defensemen who put up nice offense numbers, like Fowler, often struggle with the defense aspect of the NHL game in their first few years, and I feel like players with more AHL time have an easier transition and a better chance for long-term success and confidence.

Forwards are easier to bring along quickly, but again, I feel like there are huge benefits to a year at the AHL level even if they are pushing the top of that envelope. After all, they’re not going to get all the ice time and situational opportunity in Dallas that they will in Austin, and that’s a big part of getting better.

So I’m not that worried about the roster looking all but locked up at this point. I think the three mentioned above could all use at least a year of seasoning while Larsen still needs to eat a few cheeseburgers, and the lower-line forwards like Vincour and Gagnon are really more replaceable parts that are fine and can be valuable lower line players in the near future but aren’t real necessities to have up this year.

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by Erin Bolen on Sep 15, 2011 3:36 PM CDT reply actions  

I say we stay as is.

Give the kids some time down in Austin, I don’t think playing hockey is going to hurt them at all, in fact not playing hockey will hurt them more.

When the likely injury bug hits, we have these lads who can step up and be really good for us (in theory) and hopefully by next year we’ll have a better idea of what these boys can do. The only person we can’t really do this for is Vincour due to his time with Dallas last year, but the others I think it’s the fairest thing we can do.

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by Great British Stars Fan on Sep 15, 2011 4:11 PM CDT reply actions  

A real team

would cut barch. he is such a waste of a space of some younger, more deserving player. I understand he is a good teammate, but with the signing of goddard, is he really needed???

by sundancekid on Sep 15, 2011 6:19 PM CDT reply actions  

cutting him wastes money.

But they could easily trade him as the season progresses. He’s a decent player, his role is just reduced here now.

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by Tsudbury on Sep 16, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Looks like we need to make some trades!

Toss in besko, Fistric, wandell/vincour and you got yourself a pretty good player or two coming our way back without losing anything.

by 91_Stars_21 on Sep 15, 2011 7:14 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

i want vincour to play

he does better up here then down there

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by 8thegreat on Sep 16, 2011 11:58 AM CDT reply actions  

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