New York Post: Dallas Stars Have "No Shot" at Brad Richards
There's an inflammatory headline for you, but that's what Larry Brooks of the New York Post opined in a recent column arguing that the New York Rangers should be working to attain the rights to Brad Richards in exchange for a marginal pick in this year's NHL entry draft.
From a New York Ranger perspective (or Maple Leaf, or whoever else thinks they might have a shot) we can see how that might make some sense given Richards' concussion this spring and the flinging of what we like to call "stupid money" that will ensue on July 1st, but unsurprisingly the notion that the Stars don't even have a shot doesn't strike the same chord.
From the New York Post:
Dallas, still ownerless, meanwhile, has no shot even if the Stars wish to continue to delude themselves the way they deluded themselves at the trade deadline. At some point though, it's up to GM Joe Nieuwendyk to accept reality and see what he might be able to get for Richards' rights before No. 91 walks out the door for nothing in return.[NYP]
That delusion, as Mr. Brooks puts it, could be a very real thing today on May 23rd but to say that was the case in late February borders on ignorance and thoughtlessness. A good chance to make the playoffs (in a market where making the playoffs is the only way to stay relevant) and the long term consideration of having at least a chance at extending him (the only big name center of the free agent class) before July 1st was more than enough justification for keeping him then. He had to keep both of those doors open for the franchise, the fans, and the guys in the locker room, unless something outrageously promising was coming back the other way from New York. There was no such deal available.
As for the reality of the situation on Monday, May 23rd...That could be different. It all depends on what the Stars know internally about the sale of the team and what words have been privately exchanged between Brad, his agent, and the front office. Only Joe Nieuwendyk and his staff have all of that information. Judging it as 'delusion' without those facts at this stage in the game is a little flippant in this bloggers opinion, even if Mr. Brooks proves right in the end.
Stars fans don't need these sorts of haughty dismissals from the hockey media at large to know that the odds are greatly stacked against Dallas in the Brad Richards sweepstakes, but that's just what we're in for as the playoffs draw to a close soon and free agency nears.
Theoretically the 30 day exclusivity period granted to Mr. Gaglardi should be coming to an end sometime this week and then we might** get a bit of news to help inform this discussion and the pace of the sale a little. If the news is of the unsavory variety the question of a second or third round pick for Richards' rights until July 1st might become a more germane topic of conversation.
Knowing what we know about the sale of the team and their ability to bid on his services (virtually nothing at this point), would you trade his rights for a pick now?
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Trade him
Stars need to get rid off all the players over the age of 25 and load up on prospects and draft picks. Start next season with Campbell in net, Larsen and Goligoski at the blue line, and Wandell between Benn and Eriksson. Vincour, Glennie, and the 1st round draft pick from this year can make up the 2nd line.
He is serious.
And don’t call him Shirley.
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by Brandon Worley on May 23, 2011 6:44 AM CDT up reply actions
All players over 25 to go?
So let me see if I understand this. You want to get rid of: Morrow, Ribs, Richie, Otter, Burish, Eriksson, Goligoski, Grossman, Fistric, Daley.
They are all over 25.
by Taylor Baird on May 23, 2011 7:44 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
A change needs to be made
Gogo and Eriksson are only 25 and won’t turn 26 until after the draft, so they can stay, but get rid of everyone else and start fresh. While I’m not being serious, even if the Stars resign Richards, it will still be more or less the same team they started this year with (minus Neal add Goligoski). I was happy about the their success in the early part of the year and some of the stretches they had, but they over achieved. It’s time for a change. Nieuwendyk has his work cut out for him though. Not making a move this summer or early on next season would destine the Stars to finish somewhere between 9th and 12th in the west again next year. As a fan, this is the worst spot to see your team in. It’s out of the playoff, but not bad enough to get a top draft pick.
I believe not trading Richards at the deadline was the right move, but it’s painful to see what the Rangers are doing with Elvis, Feliz, and Harrison.
That 2nd line is great, assuming we don't draft a d-man
As for the Richards thing, I think you only trade his rights if it’s the last possible option.
by chris1989 on May 23, 2011 8:07 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Loui Eriksson turns 26 in July, so by that idea of under 25, he can't be on the roster.
Oh, and there’s this little thing called depth. You need veterans as well as young players to strike the type of balance that successful teams have. If every player is under 25, we might as well be the Edmonton Oilers or the Islanders, whose relative youth isn’t exactly tearing up the league (and won’t be for awhile).
I feel like we’ve been going through a small phase of rebuilding, which seems to be working. We missed the playoff by one (effing) game. I don’t think the roster was completely the problem. Wait til we see what the new coach does. After that, maybe the players will be to blame for all of the struggles.
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on May 23, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Not yet.
He might go, but then he might.
Right now: owner, new coach and then perhaps Richie… It’s going to be one long summer, but that’s the way it’s going to be.
Trade
As much as I believe that a new owner would have fixed this easily, we have been chasing that carrot all year.
Is there any harm in trading his rights?
Assuming Joe and Brad are really on the same page that they say they are, Brad shouldn’t take any offence to his rights being traded. Has Brad not made it pretty clear that he’s going to wait until July 1st to make a decision? If so, why not make another team wait on him while taking one of their picks? In that situation, we still have an opportunity to negotiate with him just as much as any other team, but we’re up a draft pick.
If Joe can pull this off...
…he would be a certifiable genius.
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who art in the front office,
on Conn Smythe be thy name…"
by Angelou Del Angel on May 23, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
THERE'S STILL TIME!!!!!
Oh and, Mr Brooks…
U mad?
Damn did we miss Nicklas Grossman
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?
by Great British Stars Fan on May 23, 2011 10:37 AM CDT reply actions
The New York Post? That peerless bastion of journalistic integrity?
Believes that Richards is going to the Rangers and Dallas has no shot? Shocking!
No kidding.
Okay, I admittedly think we have very little shot. But this kind of thing is ridiculous.
Larry Brooks writes on hockey...
the same way a teenage girl writes about boys in her journal. All drama with very little substance. He covers a team that disappoints him and the their fans on a yearly basis and for that we thank him.
by metalcoconut on May 23, 2011 12:09 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Like StarsFan29 said right above...
This has feelings of Cliff Lee all over again. I don’t believe New York has more of a shot than we do. They obviously assume anyone who laces up a pair of sports shoes strongly desires to play for the NY teams only. But seriously, if I was Richie, I’d be far more inclined to go back to Tampa. In this case, I can sympathize more with Brad wanting to go back to the place of good times, a Cup and his friends, especially when you have new ownership and an obviously gifted GM there.
I hope and pray he comes back to the Stars… but I would be shocked if he goes to NYR… the Tortorella connection is a thin if barely plausible idea. Dunno if Tampa can afford him, or if they even want him… but I’d suspect he’d go to Tampa first, another contender 2nd-whatever, Dallas 2nd to last, and NYR extremely very very last.
by Waywardstars on May 23, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry to steer off course
but with the ellipsis and the word shocked, I couldn’t help but read your second paragraph in a Guy Boucher press conference voice.
In New York we read Larry Brooks as if he writes for the Toronto Sun.
1 out of every 20 stories has any weight. Past that we don’t really pay any attention to him. The media expects that every high priced free agent that hits the market will end up in a Rangers uniform at some point.
The funniest part of Brooks’ writing is that there is no way that you could assemble the team that he proposes under the salary cap. The funniest part about the Rangers is that if you watch their team you can see that most of the players go there because of the money. The Dolans’s are in a catch 22.
As an Isles fan we can only hope that they keep Sather and Torts because they are they are funnier than SNL.
Has Richards said anything about what he wants to do?
by metalcoconut on May 24, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
How very audacious of Mr. Brooks.
I think he’s trying to add drama to a situation that doesn’t necessarily command it…yet. The NY media is normally hard to trust, and this time is no different.
So…suck it, Larry Brooks.
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on May 23, 2011 2:30 PM CDT reply actions
Trade the rights to Brad Richards
I agreed with Joe at the trade deadline, but unless there is something the Stars are not telling us that would change my opinion, trade Brad (but not to the Rangers). I do not think the Rangers are a team Brad would chose to go to but a second round draft choice might not be a bad deal. I do think Brad would like to stay but with all that is not happening yet, I think he will go to another team so get what we can.
by DieHard Stars Fan on May 23, 2011 4:36 PM CDT reply actions
I think everyone is forgetting the NTC
I’m pretty sure that still holds true up until he becomes an UFA.
Regarding Tampa...
I can see him wanting to go back but I can’t imagine Tampa spending that amount of money on another center w/ Stamkos due for a huge contract and Lecalvier…
Exactly what I was thinking
Where does he fit into the lineup? You can’t hinder Stamkos’ development by throwing him on the wing. That said, maybe the Lecavalier to Montreal rumours will finally come true
You'd get more than a marginal pick for him.
Look at Bouwmeester and Dan Hamhuis. The Panthers got the rights to Leopold and a 3rd for Bouwmeester. Hamhuis was worth a 3rd. I’ll bet you can get a 2nd for Richards’ rights. Is that really marginal these days?
Brooks is right, although nobody here will ever want to admit it.
He had to keep both of those doors open for the franchise, the fans, and the guys in the locker room, unless something outrageously promising was coming back the other way from New York. There was no such deal available
We’ve all heard the Stepan, Staal, Dubinsky thing, which was ludicrous to even think of. But how much better off would the franchise be right now if just one of those guys could have been aquired, along with a high draft choice/good prospect?
The re-sign Richards idea has been a pipe-dream since before the deadline. We’ve all seen time and time again how long it takes to sell a sports team, not to mention one in a somewhat precarious financial situation such as the Stars. The sale was never going to be completed in time to have a shot at re-signing him. Fans have been pinning their hopes on vague quotes from Richards saying the P.C. things… “I want to play here, I love it here”.
It really, really sucks as a die-hard fan, but it’s time people accepted the cold, hard truth. With the ownership situation as it is, Richards was never going to re-sign here. It was clear before the deadline, just as it remains clear today. Save some measure of face, Joe… take the 2nd rounder if it can be had.































