Despite Early Elimination, Texas Stars Prospects Developing Nicely For Dallas
The Texas Stars may have been eliminated in round one by the Milwaukee Admirals last night but their accomplishments this year might outstrip last season's trip to the Calder Cup Finals, at least from a Dallas perspective.
The run to game six against the Hershey Bears last year that ended in mid-June was exactly what the doctor ordered for a team in it's first year of existence (minus winning two more games). They established a fan base, showed people what playoff hockey looked like, and started wonderful traditions in a fabulous new building that really got the franchise's ball rolling quickly.
After that ride was over people began saying "If the farm team is that good it can only mean good things for the Dallas Stars down the road, right? Which of these guys should we be looking for in Dallas soon?" The answer usually went something like "Uhhh, well, that's the thing, you see..."
That roster was pieced together a little differently from a lot of AHL rosters, and it served it's purpose well in delivering a winner and establishing the team in Austin and Cedar Park, but it wasn't particularly geared toward helping the big club down the line. Part of that was just the state of the Stars system at the time and the fact that no AHL affiliate existed the season before. Garrett Stafford, Landon Wilson, Andrew Hutchinson, Dan Jancevski, Warren Peteres, Matt Climie etc... The roster was older, pricey and there weren't many (NHL) prospects that excited us.
A season later we look at the roster on elimination night and see a half dozen names that could be in Dallas Stars sweaters sooner or later and it becomes obvious that this season (and next) will ultimately have been much more productive organizationally than a trip to the Calder Cup Finals somehow was, as much as you may not want to admit it if you're a Texas Stars fan down Austin way...
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If you listened to the radio broadcast of game six from Milewaukee last night you had reason to be all a twitter with prospect love. Josh Fisher of the Stars called the crap out of that one and names like Ondrej Roman, Scott Glennie and Brenden Dillon made their way into the broadcast with ferocity and frequency.
Between Glennie, Dillon, Roman, Philip Larsen, Tomas Vincour, Tyler Beskorowany and Richard Bachman (not to mention the ever present Aaron Gagnon who had to leave last night's game early with an injury and injured Matthieu Tousignant) there was a whole cavalcade of hopeful future Dallas Stars on the roster as opposed to last season when Jamie Benn was the best thing going down there, and we already had him in Dallas at that point.
Larsen and Vincour have pretty good shots at making the big club year year thanks in large part to their developments in Cedar Park this season and there are other hopefuls on that list that could have an outside chance in September, or more likely next.
Goaltenders Bachman and Beskorowany are something of a youth movement compared to the Matt Climie and Brent Krahn tandem that finished out the 2009-2010 season, as good as they were. We've gone on about Bachman's stellar season ad nauseum in this space and Beskorowany is the kind of big lanky goaltender of the future everyone is looking for these days and should not be shoved aside for Jack Campbell's coming so easily. Competent goaltenders can be as useful on ice for your team down the road as they can on other teams (i.e. trading them). The reason the Stars got Brad Richards in 2008 was that they had a goaltender to trade.
Perhaps the best story for Dallas fans coming out of Texas' unfortunate defeat last night is defensive prospect Brenden Dillon. Just recently signed at the beginning of March, this big (6-3, 209lbs) un-drafted defenseman is a late bloomer showing tons of promise lately.
ESPN Dallas did a feature on him with some high praise from Texas Captain Brad Lukowich...
"I haven't been here very long, but I don't think he's going to be here very long either playing the way he is," quipped Lukowich, who was with the Dallas Stars when Dillon joined Texas in late March. "He's an amazing player. He's big, he skates well, he sees the ice."
And Dillon is making an impact for Texas as well, playing a key role on the blue line in the playoffs.
"You see the minutes that he's logging and he's just fresh out of juniors," said Lukowich. "He's one of those guys that he is supposed to make mistakes once in a while, but we're still waiting for him to do it. He's just a smart hockey player."
The 20-year-old Dillon played ten regular season games with Texas and has played five in the playoffs, registering two assists and a plus-one rating while playing big minutes and in key situations, including the penalty kill.
His was a name all over that radio broadcast in the post-season and coach Glen Gulutzan obviously trusted in the young man almost immediately, inserting him into his playoff lineup like that and relying on him more than we would have thought.
Couple him with the promising young Swedes who will join the Stars in the coming years (probably not next year) in Patrik Nemeth and John Klinberg and that bare defensive cupboard we talked about last June is looking pretty good less than a year later.
So while the Texas Stars didn't go nearly as far this year as we would have liked we take solace in the fact that a lot was accomplished for the organization as a whole this season.
With another draft coming up quick and some good collegiate prospects (Reilly Smith and Curtis McKenzie) in the pipeline as well, the fans in Austin should see lots of young talent come through the CPC in years to come and this will be the first in what we all hope is many, many productive developmental years "on the farm."
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This is what people fail to understand when they get all pissed about Cam Fowler
They see him playing right now, and they get angry — and I can understand that. But getting Nemeth and Klingberg later in the draft was just as good, long term…at least potentially.
Nemeth is a very skilled defenseman who is big and is very physical, and knows how to play DEFENSE. When I was at the draft, scouts told me he had “top 1st round talent” but was a generally unknown commodity before the draft, for whatever reason. Klingberg is a good two-way, offensively skilled guy who was just named the MVP of his championship team.
In two years, this defense is going to look COMPLETELY different.
Goligoski, Larsen, Daley, Klingberg, Nemeth…..Weber..
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 26, 2011 12:16 PM CDT reply actions
If we signed Weber...
I would buy his jersey, and go to every Stars game in Nashville that I could.
"I’m going on record that he read it wrong. We’ll see who’s right." - Hull Fan, in regards to Joe not trading Richards
Ha ha ha! Oh if that ever happened I'd definitely do that!!
Heika suggests that the players were questioning decisions such as Woywitka over Mark Fistric --Brad Gardner
Maybe that's why Woywitka had that puzzled face after that goal....
"Shouldn’t Fistric have scored that?!" --Tsudbury
lol
You stop it, Worley. You stop that!
by Brad Gardner on Apr 26, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
He's having Weber hallucinations again...
Look we have Grossman already!
Damn did we miss Nicklas Grossman
Bill Oellerman - "Starting on defense number forty... oh for fuck sake Crawford you may as well put Derian Hatcher's corpse there instead, and Bettmann would still give him a major....-four Jeff WOYWITTKAAA"
by Great British Stars Fan on Apr 26, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh yeah.
Holy crap.
We’re gong to have a problem in a few years…a good problem to have.
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 26, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Klingberg.
I get to see him soon enough and whole season. Hope he does his thing.
by Henri Muroke on Apr 26, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
plugging
nemeth and klingberg into the lineup in 2 years is pretty damn optimistic. Of course we likely could have had all three of nemeth, klingberg, and fowler. Its interesting that the people who are tired of hearing about how we could have had fowler mention him as often as the people who are still mad that we passed on him.
It was preemptive, more than anything
Because everytime I mention the two defensemen drafted last year, someone brings up Fowler.
Also, the latest reports suggest that Nemeth and Klingberg have a year in Europe, then will be ready for the AHL. So….two seasons from now.
Also, Nemeth and Klingberg are doing very, very well right now in some of the top leagues in Europe. So..there’s that.
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 26, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
so are you saying another season in europe and then one season in the ahl for each and then they both make the nhl that next season?
I agree they both had successful seasons. Nemeth looks like potentially a more mobile Grossman with better offensive instincts (although he’d take alot of improvement just to get labeled two-way) and Klingberg seems alot like a slightly bigger version of Philip Larsen.
Whats the deal with Theriau? Noone seems to be very interested in him. I guess he had a tough year with some injuries but he seems like hes got a good framework for the future.
Yeah, and that is conservative
That would give them three full seasons of development prior to being NHL ready. I fully expect both to be with the NHL camp next summer as well.
If the Stars select a defenseman in the first round this season, they’re going to be facing a very packed prospect pool of d-men in a few short years.
I’m telling you, Nemeth is the dark horse here. We are starting to learn just what potential he has, but last year at the draft the scouts were raving.
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 26, 2011 4:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
well
Id be a little more conservative. I think dmen take longer and in most cases should stay in the AHL an extra year. Larsen for example I think would benefit from another year in the AHL both to bulk up and learn not to put himself into position to get injured as often.
I do agree the prospect pool at d is starting to look much better, but it does still lack a real top end guy in my eyes. If we can draft one this year or get out on developing one it will be a massive plus for the organization.
Nemeth I think compared himself to Weber? I seem to recall him saying he was Weber without the shot. That would be nice, although Weber without the shot is no longer an elite dman in my eyes. Still very good but not the total stud he is now.
Youre exactly right about the lack of a true "top" guy.
And yeah, it does take a bit longer for defenseless, I’ll concede that point. But both are playing top level leagues in Europe, which is above the normal development curve, somewhat.
There are a number of really good defenseless available in this draft….so this is exciting.
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 26, 2011 4:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Defenseless?
I want my defensemen to be able to protect themselves and our net.
by Taylor Baird on Apr 26, 2011 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
too bad
unfortunately we have a major problem in that area but maybe we are heading the right direction now. Im a little worried about the dcore next year if Larsen makes the nhl. Youd then have Robidas Daley Goligoski and Larsen in the lineup on a nightly basis. None of those players are exactly difficult for big forwards to take position on in front of the net.
there are some good prospect
defensemen available this year. Its hard not to be intrigued by Oleksiak. That kind of size and skating makes for a heck of a player, even if his offense doesnt translate.
Another one that is interesting is Scott Mayfield. He is big (tall but needs to fill out) a good skater and is mean. I think he is more skilled than Oleksiak but not as safe.
There are also some pretty good centers that should be available at 14 and I think thats definitely a system need.
It's funny that my friends from work are asking so many things about Klingberg.
Most thing I know about him are from this site.
His next year in Finland will be an interesting one. In an interwiew he said that he is looking forward to it .
And if he can make it in Jokerit Helsinki, he has a good chance in NHL.
http://www.defendingbigd.com/2011/4/12/2106505/john-klingberg-and-jokerit-helsinki
There are some things and after the season will start and I get to see him more… I perhaps can write more about him. If I ever get a chance to meet him, I have to send some wishes about his future in Dallas.
by Henri Muroke on Apr 26, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
amen brandon!!!
now if only the jerks at ea would realize that and rate the young players accordingly. larsen as a 67 with c potential, are you shittin me?!
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by heyitsthatguy! on Apr 26, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
This Dillon guy intrigues me.
Un-drafted, surprise signing and then suddenly starts tearing it up in the AHL. Small sample size and all that, but….wow.
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 26, 2011 12:23 PM CDT reply actions
You aren't the only one
Dillon is a name quickly making the rounds among Texas fans the last few weeks. He came in during the rash of D callups to Dallas, having already played 70ish games in Seattle, and settled in like a veteran.
He fits an agressive uptempo style very well, but also does an excellent job in his own end. Here’s the piece I wrote for HDH on Dillon and another Stars prospect Jace Coyle. http://hundreddegreehockey.blogspot.com/2011/03/past-present-and-future-of-texas.html
I don’t think its a stretch to picture Larsen and Dillon anchoring the Dallas blueline for a long time.
I really think having the farm team in Austin is going to do wonders for the Stars' fan base as well....
When they had the Iowa stars, I never followed the prospects very much. It’s not like other sports, where the majority of those drafted might spend 1 year in the minors at the most. Hockey players take more time to develop. With a team so far away, and with 25 names I didn’t recognize, I didn’t bother with it until they were called up.
But now that they are down in Austin, it’s much easier for us to follow them. Mainly because local media has started covering them more, too. (Major props to you guys and HDH for that!) We know they’re names, how they were drafted, and how they are developing. It’s a totally different look on a team when you get to see the players go from draft day all the way to playing on the top 2 lines in the NHL. Personally, I think that helps a TON in building a dedicated fan base. Fans know these players, know what they went through to make it to the big leagues, and have a much closer fan/player bond with them than they would otherwise.
It’s exciting to see the future of our team develop right before our eyes. And I think B-dub is right… this defense is going to look totally different in another year or 2.
"I’m going on record that he read it wrong. We’ll see who’s right." - Hull Fan, in regards to Joe not trading Richards
Farm team is looking really solid for now.
Be interesting to see who Joe drafts this year.
Please… Jamieson Oleksiak, please please please please please.
I moaned about size earlier this year, I won’t give a S£%&"!! about size if we get this guy.
Of course we take the best prospect though, but do we need Offensive D-mean/Two way D-men? not really, big angry shut down D.
But hey, Dillon is certainly looking good value for money!
Damn did we miss Nicklas Grossman
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by Great British Stars Fan on Apr 26, 2011 12:39 PM CDT reply actions
FWIW, Brad
I think most of the hardcore fans down here in Austin understand that this is a development team and that turnover will be likely. That wasn’t as apparent last year as it was this year, especially after that beating Dallas took in Boston.
That said, its pretty exciting to preview these players and see them grow in to NHL caliber players. Having a good product on the ice certainly doesn’t hurt either ;)
What is the best way to manage our goaltenders though?
With so many great prospects, it is going to be difficult to avoid hindering their development. The absolute worst thing to do would be to sit one in Texas (Besko) or behind Kari for a full season. So what should Joe and co. do? Get rid of Raycroft to give Bachman an NHL season? That may allow Bekso to take over full time in Texas but only playing 12-18 games with the big club isn’t exactly going to do wonders for Bachman.
At the same time, keeping him as the #1 in Texas may hinder Besko’s development. At the same time, when it it finally Besko’s turn to take over at #1, Jack may be up and ready to steal that role away.
I guess Joe really has to look at who he views to be the best two for the future of the team. Bachman and Besko? Bachman and Jack? Besko and Jack?
God damn, this is an awesome problem to have. I really wish I could go to camp next year to see them all battle it out.
I would expect some trades to happen soon on those ends.
Especially considering that we have a backup of our own still signed for one more year. Of course, if we get a new owner who doesn’t care about salary, then that contract matters very little.
"I’m going on record that he read it wrong. We’ll see who’s right." - Hull Fan, in regards to Joe not trading Richards
goaltending
it is an interesting problem to have. We could move one, but I doubt they have great trade value as neither is established enough. I could see Bachman winning the backup goalie spot next season. He is a little older and probably pretty close to as developed as he is going to get. In that scenario Raycroft is likely in the ahl and him being there might hinder Besko as it would be difficult not to play Raycroft. So it doesnt appear that there is a very good solution right now.
I think we need to take Campbell very slowly. Unless he starts tearing it up he should go the same route Besko did. Finish juniors, a year in the echl and then up to the AHL.
i expect that krahn will not be with organization next season.
that way he’s not taking up a roster spot while he’s on injured reserve all year and they should have bachmann and besko in austin next year. i think campbell could be great but there shouldn’t be any rush now that kari has worked out well and raycroft will be with the team another year. after next season a young backup will probably be in dallas, or they sign another veteran for a year, i liked auld when he was here.
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I think Raycroft is on a two-way contract.
Remember, he was auditioning for the backup job during training camp with the young guys. I’m not sure that he’s a lock to make the backup coming out of training camp, and I’m sure Besko and Bachman will both make a strong push to take the job away from him. Healthy competition pushes guys to bring it.
Wasn't it last season?
And now it’s 600 000 no matter where he plays?
by Henri Muroke on Apr 26, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
he gets NHL salary no matter what next season
but if we get a new owner, that’s not gonna matter.
"I’m going on record that he read it wrong. We’ll see who’s right." - Hull Fan, in regards to Joe not trading Richards
i dont think so
i recall thinking it was backwards to what i expected. So one way in year one and twoway in year two. I think if he played in the AHL next year he would get an AHL salary.
its 650,000 in each year
i would keep him where he’s at though. give the young guys as much time to develop as they need, if one of them really steps up and raycroft fails then they should make a move. but i thought andrew was solid even though he was a little up and down, but thats really what i think they’ll get out of the young guys at this point if you bring them up.
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i stand corrected
muroke you were right its 600,000 and his contract was two way last year but this year its one way.
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Well, it's no biggie.
I did like him and it wasn’t good idea to stop his minutes in the end…
by Henri Muroke on Apr 26, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
My guess is Raycroft is back next season. Keep Bachman and Besko in the AHL.
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 26, 2011 4:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
with as little faith as they showed in him in the last 3 months of the season?
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Bachman play a game or two for Dallas before the year is over.
"I’m going on record that he read it wrong. We’ll see who’s right." - Hull Fan, in regards to Joe not trading Richards
yeah playing a rookie a game or two is fine.
but i think it would be better for a young guy to play all the time in the minors instead of maybe 15 games a year with the big club. once he’s really ready you can distribute the workload more evenly, but that time i believe is still a year or two away.
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by heyitsthatguy! on Apr 26, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
The guy in charge of that dumb decision
Is now gone…
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 26, 2011 4:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
amen...
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by heyitsthatguy! on Apr 26, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
excellent point.
forgot about that bit, lol
"I’m going on record that he read it wrong. We’ll see who’s right." - Hull Fan, in regards to Joe not trading Richards
yeah
69 or 70 games is too many for a goaltender in my opinion. between 60-65 is where you should max him out, they had to do that though, when the season is on the line like it was you go with your best guy. if only crawford would have known that for dmen…
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Defenders
I know he is older but after going to a few games in Austin during the playoffs i think Dan Spang was our best defenseman by far. He just added life to the team when he was on the ice and just made things happen.
Vincour was pretty useless but i think this is due tot he fact he was making NHL salary and feels he has already earned his spot on the Stars.
As for Glennie he has a long way to go to be effective in the NHL, he seemed out of place, slow, and the one goal i saw him score was due to a terrible rebound.
Roman Josi was a beast though and the kid is only 20. If weber leaves nashville they have an extremely capable replacement the kid played every other defensive shift and played on the top PP unit
by William Cravens on Apr 26, 2011 5:44 PM CDT reply actions
Sorta disagree
I don’t think Vincour was useless. I do think he stepped it up quite a bit in Dallas, whether it was a better fit, making the most of the opportunity, the players around him, whatever. He played for Texas about like he did before the call up, but I doubt he was just cruising because he thinks he’s already made next year’s team.
I think we have to give Glennie a full season with Texas before we really know how far he has to go to be NHL ready. He didn’t get to Cedar Park until the Wheatkings finished their season, and then he was on the 4th line which we all know meant limited minutes. I think we’ll see and hear a lot more about him next season.
by John Frazier on Apr 27, 2011 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Reilly Smith has another year at Miami
before he goes to Austin. And he is working with Gary Roberts on his size. That kid needs to fill out that lanky frame.
Not sure about McKenzie. I like his work ethic and his intensity but he still needs some improvement on his skating and he takes some bad penalties. Not sure he’d be ready to make the jump next year with Reilly. then again, I hope both Reilly and Curtis are playing well into April for the Redhawks.
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