How Could Phoenix Ownership Situation Affect Dallas Stars?
It's still a little premature to state for sure that the NHL landscape will change next season with the Phoenix Coyotes being moved back to Winnipeg - there is a key meeting today between the city of Glendale and Goldwater Institute that will possibly shed a lot more light on the current situation and if it is salvageable - there has been talk that the NHL has a plan of attack drawn up and ready to be executed to move the Coyotes back to their former Winnipeg home in the event that current issues with the sale of the Coyotes to Matthew Hulsizer not be dealt with.
Part of those plans one would have to believe would be what to do with the divisional alignment since we all know having a team from a central time zone play in a division with three teams in the pacific time zone a team from Manitoba play in a division with three teams from California is not a smart idea at all. Of course moving teams around divisions will affect other NHL teams including the Stars...
While we don't have the NHL's playbook in regards to divisional realignment in our hands, that won't stop us from speculating on the possibilities. The following is four possible scenarios the NHL could be looking at from most likely to happen this summer should the Coyotes move to Winnipeg - to least likely:
Scenario #1 - One for one swap with Colorado
The most likely - and most discussed option in the last couple of seasons that this whole Coyotes issue has been with us - is that the NHL will simply have the Winnipeg team play out of the Northwest division and move the Colorado Avalanche to the Pacific. It's the easiest option available, doesn't significantly hurt the teams in the pacific travel wise (what's an extra few hundred miles in air travel right?) and moving Winnipeg to the Northwest would give the Minnesota Wild a team in their same time zone leaving the Stars as the only team in the NHL to be a division where no other team shares their time zone.
(Three more possibilities after the jump)
Scenario #2 - 1 for 1 swap with Vancouver & change balancing of schedule
It's possible the NHL may want to move a team sitting on the coast of the Pacific Ocean to the Pacific division and can do so should the Coyotes be moved. The real issue here is that you would take away games from Vancouver's rivalries with Edmonton and Calgary, but that could be easily fixed if the NHL gets creative with the schedule. It wouldn't be overly difficult to change the schedule up so that each NHL team could take three to four games for outer-divisional rivalry games - think along the lines of Toronto vs Detroit, Nashville vs Atlanta, Dallas vs Minnesota. Travel wise things would start getting tougher for the other Pacific division teams - especially Dallas - but having another team in the same time zone would be a benefit to the California clubs.
Scenario #3 - Do nothing
Lets be honest, this is the NHL and thus a "do nothing" option seems a little plausible right? Remember that back in 96/97 and 97/98 the NHL allowed the new Phoenix franchise to remain in the same division with the Toronto Maple Leafs as they waited for new expansion teams to come in before changing up the NHL map. It's possible that the NHL could expect more team relocations to happen over the next few seasons (Thrashers? Islanders?) or that even the whole Winnipeg move might be a one year deal. The NHL would rather not have to move teams around divisions every summer so standing pat may be an option. While the travel would go from poor to horrendous for the remaining pacific clubs, it would at least give the Stars a team in their time zone. Would the NHL offer some sort of financial compensation to the teams for all the extra travel? Not likely.
Scenario #4 - A three team swap between Vancouver, Winnipeg and Dallas.
This is the Stars fan pipe dream as a move to the Central division would obviously be welcomed by the team and fans alike. It's no secret that the Stars were less than thrilled in 1998 to have to move out of the Central division and this would be an ideal chance to fix that problem. Move Vancouver to the Pacific, Winnipeg to the Northwest and then again restructure the schedule so that Vancouver gets extra dates with their fellow Canadian clubs. Compared to the situations where there would be a simple 1 for 1 trade off, this scenario seems like an easy extension of that plan and kind of an obvious way to go the more one thinks about it... Which is probably why the NHL won't consider it.
A meeting between Goldwater, the city of Glendale, the NHL and the Hulsizer group today might render all this talk moot, and for the sake of the passionate Coyote fan, we hope they get that good news they're looking for. "There's always next season" is a horrible, horrible thing to lose.
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Looking at this map....

It’s pretty obvious you swap colorado and winnipeg out. Personally, I’d love to see an entire restructuring of divisions, but it’s just not going to happen. Stars are stuck in the pacific.
"I’m going on record that he read it wrong. We’ll see who’s right." - Hull Fan, in regards to Joe not trading Richards
btw, for those of you wondering....
winnepeg is to the northwest of minnesota.
"I’m going on record that he read it wrong. We’ll see who’s right." - Hull Fan, in regards to Joe not trading Richards
Yeah
So you’re talking one more road game in Denver a year (yuck) and one more home game against the Avs (better for attendance, anyway).
It’s probably a negligible difference for Dallas. Colorado will continue to be a tough matchup but so was Phoenix for the last three years. If anything maybe you’re getting a little less Bryzgalov, which is nice.
I still think they’ll get the deal done in Phoenix, even though it makes no sense. They don’t make money there even when times were good.
by Brad Gardner on Apr 21, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
If phoenix stays, swapping Dallas with Vancouver or Colorado makes more sense.
But then they’d have no reason to do that.
The only way I could justify moving Dallas out of the pacific if winnepeg gets a team would be to screw someone else over worse than us, or to completely restructure both conferences. and there’s no way that will happen.
"I’m going on record that he read it wrong. We’ll see who’s right." - Hull Fan, in regards to Joe not trading Richards
Looking at this map, I can't believe that Detroit is even in the West...
And there isn’t a division of Dallas, St. Louis, Chicago, Colorado and Minnesota.
But that’s logic. So…..whatever.
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 21, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
move atlanta to winnepeg,
throw nashville or detroit to the east, move dallas to central, and colorado to pacific.
Bam. Perfect.
"I’m going on record that he read it wrong. We’ll see who’s right." - Hull Fan, in regards to Joe not trading Richards
Stay Yotes Stay! Move Thrash Move!

"I’m going on record that he read it wrong. We’ll see who’s right." - Hull Fan, in regards to Joe not trading Richards
Lucky Preds
They would have a field day with all that weak ass east “competition”
by Brad Gardner on Apr 21, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Any team would :-)
"I’m going on record that he read it wrong. We’ll see who’s right." - Hull Fan, in regards to Joe not trading Richards
I'm sure Tampa Bay would give them some competition
And the Capitals too.
Damn did we miss Nicklas Grossman
Bill Oellerman - "Starting on defense number forty... oh for fuck sake Crawford you may as well put Derian Hatcher's corpse there instead, and Bettmann would still give him a major....-four Jeff WOYWITTKAAA"
by Great British Stars Fan on Apr 21, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
No kiddding.
Jeez, this makes as much as sense as the NFL divisional alignments.
NFL divisional alignments mean jack squat geographically.
They only have to travel once a week.
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 21, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
My personal opinion is to mix things up so that EVERYONE has to travel equally. Not just the West.
But it’s not realistic. Owners would never agree, and it would be bad for tv ratings. Habs game starting at 10:30 pm? not many viewers.
"I’m going on record that he read it wrong. We’ll see who’s right." - Hull Fan, in regards to Joe not trading Richards
Habs fans can stay up that late.
They are le tired.
by Brad Gardner on Apr 21, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Similar to the old Norris...
makes perfect sense. And the Wings might as well be in the East. They’re force-fed to us north easterners as much as the Pens, Devils, etc.
Yeah, just drawing some 4 team circles
and things look pretty obvious. And you could move Detroit to the East which they have always wanted.
What about finding a way to make
Stars, Lightning, Carolina, Predators and Panthers (or Atlanta, move on) as a Southeast division and just move the Stars east?
It’ll never happen, but it seems to make as much geographic sense as anything .
Isn't there talk of a possible relocation to Kansas?
Surely that throws everything ten left and probably forces the NHL to put Dallas in a central division.
Should be North and South really.
Damn did we miss Nicklas Grossman
Bill Oellerman - "Starting on defense number forty... oh for fuck sake Crawford you may as well put Derian Hatcher's corpse there instead, and Bettmann would still give him a major....-four Jeff WOYWITTKAAA"
by Great British Stars Fan on Apr 21, 2011 3:26 PM CDT reply actions
I have no idea haha! I just read it somewhere the league was possibly interested in the new arena
Also, Quebec.
Did you see that big old protest in the Devils game where the Nordiques fans too it over?
Damn did we miss Nicklas Grossman
Bill Oellerman - "Starting on defense number forty... oh for fuck sake Crawford you may as well put Derian Hatcher's corpse there instead, and Bettmann would still give him a major....-four Jeff WOYWITTKAAA"
by Great British Stars Fan on Apr 21, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
I’m sure the fine people of Kansas would disagree, but that’s the stereotypical consensus anyway ;)
by Brad Gardner on Apr 21, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
That would be more fans than the Trashers get to a game!
Damn did we miss Nicklas Grossman
Bill Oellerman - "Starting on defense number forty... oh for fuck sake Crawford you may as well put Derian Hatcher's corpse there instead, and Bettmann would still give him a major....-four Jeff WOYWITTKAAA"
by Great British Stars Fan on Apr 21, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Nashville won't move east
They’re much more likely to move Detroit or Columbus, which both reside in the Eastern time zone. I doubt Nashville wants to be the only Central time zone team in the Eastern Conference.
by DMcCombs on Apr 21, 2011 3:58 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Create a new "Mountain" Division
Here is my solution if PXH moves to WIN
Keep the Central Div in tact : DET, CHI, STL, CLB, NSH
New “Mountain” Div: EDM, WIN, MIN, COL, DAL
Updated Pacific Div: VAN, CAL, SJS, ANA, LAK
Dallas might need to fly some more miles, but they would have less time zone issues. Canadian rivalries would be (mostly) in tact. Both the Pacific and the new “Mountain” division would have 2 Canadian teams each, and schedules could ensure they each get an additional crack at one another.
Thoughts?
Nice idea, but way too much travel IMO.
Spreads the map out too far.
"I’m going on record that he read it wrong. We’ll see who’s right." - Hull Fan, in regards to Joe not trading Richards
Eliminating the Battle of Alberta is a non-starter
Calgary and Edmonton have the strongest and most bitter geographic rivalry in the Western Conference. Splitting them into different divisions will never happen. Might as well put Vancouver and Winnipeg into the same division, since everyone else in western Canada already hates the Canucks.
Calgary and Vancouver is just as strong.
Especially since the Oilers can’t buy a win these days.
Golf Leafs Golf!
Time zones a bigger issue though?
Aren’t time zones the big issue though? A bit more air travel is only 30-60 minutes in the air, but having games on later messes with TV viewership and player’s internal clocks (as I understand it).
Know what I'd love to see?
Four western Canadian teams, plus Minnesota as the Northwest division. Three California teams, plus
by WingnutInStarsCountry on Apr 21, 2011 5:57 PM CDT reply actions
here's what you do...
Columbus moves to the Eastern Conference into the Southeast, because…
Atlanta moves to Las Vegas and the “Vegas Thrashers” takes Dallas’ spot in the Pacific.
Dallas takes CBJ’s vacted Central spot.
Phoenix to Winnepeg and into the NW, swapping with Colorado, who goes to the Pacific.
Simple, yes?
Do it Bettman!!!
by Erok79 on Apr 21, 2011 6:58 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Even though
It’s contingent on the Thrashers moving as well…
This would fix all the problems.
Let’s just move the Thrashers now. Screw PHO/WIN they can stay in the Pacific after the move. Let’s just get the Stars back in the Central.
Or into a true central division with DAL, COL, MIN, STL, CHI.
When I started watching, our division rivalries were STL, CHI, DET. I want some of that back, none of this 9 o’clock start crap.
by Waywardstars on Apr 22, 2011 5:14 AM CDT up reply actions
You guys do realize
that this is never, ever going to happen, right? That even if the Coyotes move, which is less than likely, it won’t be back to Winnipeg because it’s just not big enough of a market?
Anything has got to be bigger than Phoenix.
They’d draw more fans in OKC.
by Travis Drybread on Apr 24, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions

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