What Do the Dallas Stars Do Well? What is Their Identity?
What were the Dallas Stars particularly good at last year? What was the thing they hung their hats on as a group? No, Jamie Benn is not a good answer. What about the year before that? Or the year before that?
In what areas did the 1997-2004 Dallas Stars excel? That's an easier question, right? With an answer that leaps off your tongue. Go beyond that even. With Sergei Zubov and Philippe Boucher, Norstrum and the like lingering into the post lockout years the Stars identity was not a hard one to figure out. Dave Tippett, love him or not (when the playoffs come around) gave this team an identity, or rather continued on with the one they'd always had.
Playoff teams have identities. Go down the list. Vancouver is...well, strong everywhere. The Sharks will beat you with their PP. The Kings keep it low scoring with their system play and good young defense. The Coyotes have Bryzgalov. The Blackhawks might not be great but you know you better stay out of the box when you play them. Coach Trotz leans on his goaltender. Even non playoff teams in Colorado and St. Louis have an identity: You know they're going to use their young legs and skate you right out of your own barn.
When Joe Nieuwendyk took over management of this roster in the summer of 2009 he openly declared that he was going to change the teams identity. Words like PIttsburgh and Detroit were thrown around. Fast forward two years and look at the team numbers:
Goals per game (17th), goals against per game (15th), save percentage (16th), shots per game (28th), shots against per game (14th), faceoffs (20th), power play (14th), penalty killing (23rd). Mediocre and average to poor depending on where you look. Even among the bad, you try to find some good, but the Stars numbers just don't present much outside of meaningless trifles like shooting percentage (3rd!)
Dallas' number one attribute last season was probably their ability to stay in games. They led the league in wins when trailing after two periods and they very rarely let games get out of hand. When your best attribute is correcting your mistakes it doesn't say much for your identity, unfortunately.
Luckily that means there are any number of things to improve upon and claim as your strength...
Team strength?
| Year | Goals For | Goals Against | PP% | PK% | 5on5 GF/GA Ratio |
| 05-06 | 265 | 218 | 17.7 | 83.7 | 1.21 |
| 06-07 | 226 | 197 | 18.5 | 84.4 | 1.06 |
| 07-08 | 242 | 207 | 18.1 | 85.6 | 1.11 |
| 08-09 | 230 | 257 | 15.4 | 78.6 | .94 |
| 09-10 | 237 | 254 | 18.6 | 77.4 | .98 |
| 10-11 | 227 | 233 | 18.0 | 80.1 | 1.00 |
It's hard to believe they actually scored fewer goals in 2006-2007 and made the playoffs, but the defense was there to mop it up, even though it ultimately ended in the game seven loss to Vancouver. Speaking of Vancouver, Dallas surrendered 20 of their 233 goals against to the Canucks this season. Take that number away and it improves their rank a little, but not enough.
Given Joe Nieuwendyk's publicly confessed penchant for offensive hockey we won't look for the Stars to go into a shell and push their GA number down around 200 any time soon, but it wouldn't hurt to try. Did you know the number one seeded Washington Capitals scored FEWER goals than the Dallas Stars did this season? Their identity this year was defense and they allowed fewer than 200 goals in their net with a rookie netminder leading them.
We don't expect, with a new coach, the players available and the financial situation that Dallas will turn into a defensive beast of an offensive juggernaut next year, but they need to at least get on the right side of the goal differential. Only one team (the Flames) had a positive goal differential and missed the post-season.
The off-season will dictate the area most ripe for improvement. If pressed I'd say special teams might present the most workable opportunity. Even a slightly above average penalty kill or power play sustained over 82 games would make all the difference in the world.
Whether it be offense, defense, special teams, strong home play, strong road play, strong shootout team, or goaltending...the Stars need to do something (probably a couple of things) above average next year if they want to make it back into the playoffs, or like their 17th ranked 5on5 GF/GA ratio of 1.00, they're going to end up the 17th best team again.
What is Columbus' identity? "Well, I guess they have Rick Nash...". Dallas doesn't want this to become them with Jamie Benn.
What do you say? Who are the Dallas Stars? What are they good at particularly? What can they be good at next season with new coaching and minimal roster changes?
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Good article.
I think it’s all about offence… Don’t know if it’s a good thing, but one is just guessing that it’s the way Stars will be heading/continuing…
our identity
I wouldn’t agree that we don’t have one. I think other teams look at us as a hard working gritty team that doesn’t. Really have a lot of top end talent. Our captain is a good example of how this team is viewed.
by rlgiv on Apr 18, 2011 8:41 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Great article....hadn't really thought about it until now
Last season, there were times when their offense was great, sometimes goaltending won games, sometimes special teams. Then later the offense was just plain bad. Good point that fighting hard and staying in games is not what you want to rely on. It seems the Stars have many of the pieces to be great offensively. Young, fast forwards with a lot of potential along with some great grinding forwards to wear the other team down. They just need to all be pointed in the same direction. When they were aligned this season, they looked really good. Other times, it was obvious everyone had their own path. It feels like the team is close to being really good…but this summer may decide the fate
I think this team has always been identified with individuals.
Cue Richards this year and arguably the last.
Jamie Benn for the future.
Mike Modano for the other 18 odd seasons.
Yeah sure we had great defence but really, if you asked any fan across the country about the Stars, I’m sure they would of said Modano, much like we say Nash about the Blue Jackets, or Crosby for the Pens.
Damn did we miss Nicklas Grossman
The draft? fuck that, I can't wait for the next Alternate Jersey!!!
Bill Oellerman - "Starting on defense number forty... oh for fuck sake Crawford you may as well put Derian Hatcher's corpse there instead, and Bettmann would still give him a major....-four Jeff WOYWITTKAAA"
by Great British Stars Fan on Apr 18, 2011 9:39 AM CDT reply actions
Good read.
They really are/were just middle of the pack in most areas. I would have said the strength was offense (I do think we have a good set of forwards, though if we lose Richards, that will hurt), but looking at how the goals for has dropped over the years, that doesn’t necessarily hold true. Though injuries may have had an impact on that. It needs to get better though. Or the goals against needs to drop.
Hey, at least our PK improved this season.
The fact that "gritty" is our only team identity at this point is a bit of a concern to me.
Hopefully we’ll find another one as things develop next season. But my problem with the gritty one is something that Art said a while back. The Edmonton Oilers that we used to play every year in the playoffs used to be considered “gritty.” Yet they always fell in the first round.
Gritty is simply not enough. It’s a great start, but it’s not enough.
"I’m going on record that he read it wrong. We’ll see who’s right." - Hull Fan, in regards to Joe not trading Richards
And are they really that gritty?
I honestly didn’t even think about the “hard to play against” mantra last night because it was so long ago and so forgotten that it didn’t even come to mind.
They aren’t hard to play against. Throw the puck behind them and apply minuscule pressure on the forecheck and they fall apart. Is that hard to play against?
They need to do something well. Anything. They are the perfect picture of mediocrity. (Which in the east will buy you 4 playoff games at least)
by Brad Gardner on Apr 18, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
They weren’t hard to play against in Feb and March, that’s for sure. If anything, I’d say they are known as the “Lead spotters” since they love to trail entering the 3rd.
"I’m going on record that he read it wrong. We’ll see who’s right." - Hull Fan, in regards to Joe not trading Richards
I agree about the perfect picture of mediocrity.
Middle of the pack in almost all categories.
It was almost good enough to get us 4 playoffs in the West. And it would have been just 4.
But I want better then just mediocre.
The Blackhawks are finding out...
…what the price of mediocrity is.
Right now, it’s a potential first round sweep at the hands of the Canucks.
Writer for Defending Big D
by Brandon Bibb on Apr 18, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
were not hard to play against
especially with the lackluster 1st period we always seem to put together. but i think the main area to improve is faceoffs. if you want to play offence you have to have the puck. we just didnt do that the last two months
go go goligoski
Based on what we hear about from Joe
I believe the identity they are trying to establish is the “tough to play against” identity.
I think they made strides in that direction this year. The forecheck was pretty strong and there was plenty of sandpaper in their game.
I think what they need to do to firmly cement this identity is to step up the special teams. If you are going to play a physical, gritty game you have to be able to kill off penalties when you cross the line with your physical edge. They also have to cash in on their PP opporttunites when your sandpaper game makes the other team do something stupid.
A stronger defensive presence will also help contribute to this identity because you can’t be considered tough to play against if the other team continually has the gun reloaded by failing to exit the zone or by allowing guys to hang around the crease screening the goalie and getting deflection opportunities.
So I suppose what i am saying is this team doesn’t have to be an offensive juggernaut, just consistent and productive with thier opportunities.
"The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second mouse who gets the cheese" - Daryl "Razor" Reaugh
Our identity is the intangibles!
Sorry, couldn’t help myself.
Unless things change quickly in terms of ownership and thus Brad Richards I think we are stuck with gritty and hard to play against. We did show some improvement in that. Our fore check can drive other teams nuts. Unfortunately, whenever we get a lead we drop down to minimal pressure from one fore checker and let teams set up too easily to attack our weakest area … defense. Was watching the Canucks try and close out last nights game against the Hawks and was struck by how much they continued their normal fore checking pressure and spent a lot of time in their offensive end in the final minutes.
Unfortunately, when the other team throws pucks deep and feeds us the same medicine we often look like deer in headlights against the opposing fore check.
I have been mulling the decline in goals scored with what many hail as one of the best top six units in the league. They get paid at a top six level. So why do we only produce in the bottom half of the league in goals scored? Crawford sucked? Maybe. But I guess I will go with the forwards back checking and paying more attention to defense. After all there was a substantial improvement in goals against where the lowest paid blue line in the nhl squeaks into the top half in GAA. That increased defensive focus by the forwards could also explain the lower scoring levels.
If Richards goes and our budget remains pretty static we don’t have much choice but to continue that trend. Spend some of his money on a gritty stay at home D man. Improve our breakout (Goligoski) and then push a hard fore check for the whole game. A small increase in special teams would then push us into a positive goal differential which should get us in the playoffs. Baby Steps is all we can hope for with a continuing set of budget handcuffs … especially as that probably means life without Brad Richards.
I am onboard with your assesment
I believe the forwards have in the back of their head that they have to cover up for the weaknesses in the defense. I don’t think defensive minded per se and there should always be some form of backcheck accountability but when it becomes a deterent to offensive production then it says alot about your confidence if your d pairs.
"The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second mouse who gets the cheese" - Daryl "Razor" Reaugh
Gritty and hard to play against is fine
But they need strength/identity in an area that is statistically significant.
I understand your point.
and agree that to be a true contender we need to have that area we are one of the best in the league. But we are just not in a position to even dream about that. We have to have a new owner to define that long term direction … and more importantly fund that direction. Obviously that new owner, and possibly new GM, could go in any direction offensively or defensively. Joe has said he envisions a hard fore checking, offensive puck possession type team. But on status quo funding we will likely regress from that without Richards this year. In that kind of funding scenario I think the best goal is enough minor improvements to push us to a +10 or so goal differential and lay the foundation to bring in the missing parts when funding is resolved.
Sad to say, but...
I think the Stars’ identity right now is inconsistency. That is definitely NOT the identity anyone would want to have.
This is a team that, when all the parts are working in sync, is very gritty, offensively talented, defensively solid, and all around tough to play against. But how often do all the parts work in sync?
Over this last year, the answer would be not very often. Usually, about one period a game. That’s not good enough.
I guess you could say they’re consistently inconsistent, though.
by WingnutInStarsCountry on Apr 18, 2011 11:10 AM CDT reply actions
There is no identity
For every question you ask, you are going to get about 3 different “well this could be it” answers
Who is the face of the franchise now? Well it could Brad Richards, but he might leave, so maybe Morrow, or maybe Jamie Benn will be soon… No one is really sure
What style does the team play? Well everyone wants to play puck possession, but we can’t yet, so they try to play a fast paced, heavy offense game, but they can’t completely, so group defense is stressed in the forwards coming back
Who is the owner? N/A
Coach? N/A
Who’s team is this? Well Joe has made some significant moves, but it’s also still a lot of Hull/Jackson, with some left overs from Armstrong still there too.
There aren’t true answers to these questions. Just possibilities. We all know the solution to it all starts with getting an owner who will spend money. After that, get a coach who can adjust to the talents available, and not just coach what the would like to see. Finally, get some D-men who can make plays under pressure. If you wanna play puck possession, (major “Duh” moment here) you have to be able to hold on to the puck.
An All-Star #1 D-man would be lovely, but we don’t even have to have that. We need guys who can move the puck quickly and accurately out of our zone so that possession time and offensive zone time are maximized while reducing play in your own end. I argued earlier in the year that if you are lethal enough when you have the puck, you don’t have to have equal offensive time as your opponent. It’s still true, but I as I admitted then, it’s not the ideal way to play, and it’s definitely hard to sustain. Fix the transition game, get the top six more shifts in the offensive zone, and boom, we (should) score more. At the same time, you reduce time in your own zone, perhaps trapping forwards on the fore check as well, and you (should) give up less goals simply by reducing the opportunities you give up.
Get some transition guys, and maybe you can start calling this a puck possession team.
hey PHX and NSH
are gritty and hard to play against.
i dont know what the identity is or will be but i’ve always liked the mantra of “hard to play against”. it can mean a 1000 things and is probably a sports cliche.
but to me, it means that when you play Dallas from the opening drop of the puck you better be ready. they will get after hard and fast, not give you an inch, be tough on special teams, faceoffs and end of periods. they can win (or play a competitive game) in a few different manners.
this sounds nice…and kind of like a Stanley Cup contender! but in all reality, i think in order to achieve these things you still need A goaltending and at least a B+ blue line. then you can become all these things much more easily.
they need to go back to defense first!
That was the legacy they had in the first place! Also, the great skating, deep good quality goal tending, timely offense and PP, and get back to being one of the top PK teams.
Our identity...
Most likely to allow a goal when the opposing team has an empty net. Nah just kidding just kidding. I think our identity is the ability to adapt. We always come out stronger after the first period. Plus the lines were altered a lot and stronger chemistry would come about.
I think our identity should be as a steady two-way team who may not always give opponent goalie's neck sun-burns but who will score a good amount and never give up too many goals to fight back from
I know it might be hard to see with some of the bad defensive zone play this year when we would always get pinned in our zone and the phrase “_______ clears it but not out, now _ reloads and puts it deep in the Stars zone” would be ringing in our ears constantly for 60-65 minutes a night. However, the Stars’ forward unit is good (maybe even very good) and on it’s way to becoming great at playing both ends of the ice: Eriksson – mark my words he’ll win a selke trophy or 5 by the end of his career, Benn (he might get one), Wandell, Morrow, Ott are all very good two way forwards. Yes Wandell’s scoring has to(and will) improve and Ott could be a bit more offensively consistent, but all those guys are very defensively responsible and even dangerous on defense while also having the ability to bury pucks (especially Loui and Jamie). Langenbrunner (if he comes back) is also part of that list although his offensive skills are seriously dwindling. Even Ribeiro has become much more committed to defense and can make some great plays, and we all know about his offensive wizardry. And while he may leave in the summer, Richards’ defense has become a lot better in his 3 years here. Yes at times he’s still a bit lazy in the d-zone and can get caught out of position, but overall he’s solid. On top of that the guys coming down the system (aside from Glennie) are all pretty defensive minded. Vincour is solid from what I saw from his call up, Gagnon will be a decent-good 3rd line scorer and he’s good at D, Sceviour is a good two way guy, and Tousignat may develop into one.
One the defensive side while we may lack Star power, Robidas is good on defense and can provide a decent amount of offense, Daley greatly improved both sides of his game this year (i don’t wet my pants every time he touches the puck in the d-zone anymore), Grossman is a great defensive D and while it would be nice if he could put up a few more points i’m fine with him as he is, Fistric needs to work on his speed but otherwise he’s another good defensive defensmen, Goligoski is dynamite in the offensive zone and showed a lot of improvement in his defensive game even just from his first game as a Star to the last game (ok maybe not the last game itself but overall), and Larsen is going to be a stud.
I think the Stars should build on this and not try to become a Coyotes esque team that shuts down defensively and relies on 1-2 goals (3 if their lucky) to win games, or an overpowering scoring juggernaut a-la 09-10 Caps or this year’s Lightning. In the end their two way game will win games and hopefully eventually playoff series. They won’t overpower other teams with lights out scoring, so 3ish goals a game and defense by committee should become the hallmark of this team.
Remember “Each day for each other”? That should continue to be that mantra of the Dallas Stars and needs to become their identity. They aren’t and in the near future won’t be a dominant defensive or offensive team and while he’ll continue to put up good numbers and play very well for this team, Kari probably won’t win the Vezina any time soon. And while Jamie Benn is becoming the face of this team, in the next couple years I want the scouting report on the Stars to be “this hockey TEAM plays a TEAM game with everyone doing their share and without leaning too heavily on a few star players. Everyone on this TEAM can get it done and this TEAM succeeds by playing together as a family and a unit”
For this team it has to be 100% about the crest on the front of the sweater and not the plate on the back. It’ll take a lot of work, a couple moves and probably some time, but I think the Stars will be successful by playing for each other and becoming a “family” in hockey terms. It’s cheesy and when millions of dollars are being thrown around and factored into the equation it’s hard to imagine but that’s how it’s gotta be. Every player brought in has to want to play his best for the guy next to him before himself and every player sent away should be sent away because he cares too much about personal stats. Think of all the dynasties, think of the Red Wings. Those teams grow together, they win and lose together. The important part is together. How do you think Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Rafalski, Lidstrom, Franzen, Holmstrom feel about each other? They’re probably unbelievably close and probably think of each other as family. Why do you think Chris Osgood has lasted so long? How did he ( a mediocre tender at best) win a cup two years ago? They all play for each other and they all played for Osgood and he did his best for them. Again it’s cheesy but in the end it’s about wanting to do it for the guys in your locker room. That’s one of the reasons I’ve gained a ton of respect for Joe Thornton. As much as he’s one of my most hated rivals as a shark and as much as i love to beat on him for disappearing in the playoffs, he took a generous salary cut so he could stay with his team. He obviously cares more about his teammates and that god awful disgusting crest on the front of his jersey than the amount of dollars he has in his wallet. That’s what makes winning teams. Everyone from the top center to the 6-7 d-men have to believe in that.
sorry for the super long post.
I get a little passionate about team brotherhood
too long. Did not read.
That better? :-)
Those posts are always the greatest, because they never really start out being that way, do they? You just say what you gotta say, and before you know it, BAM! Wall of text.
I definitely agree though, that this is more of a “team” than any i’ve seen on the ice in a while.
"I’m going on record that he read it wrong. We’ll see who’s right." - Hull Fan, in regards to Joe not trading Richards
More Cowbell!
err paragraphs. lol
It’s all good. I get carried away when the words start flowing too! I loved the team aspect this year. Hope they can keep that through what looks to be a rough summer.
You're not the only one who can get long-winded. :)
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