Reaction To Marc Crawford Firing: Players Lost Confidence In Coach
Yesterday, we posted our thoughts on what led to Joe Nieuwendyk to fire Marc Crawford just a few days after the season was over. The general feeling was that while the Stars certainly enjoyed near-unimaginable success in the first half of the season, the manner in which the team fell apart down the stretch while other teams stepped up their game was his ultimate undoing.
Joe Nieuwendyk was obviously unhappy with how this team responded to adversity and you can't blame him; the Stars looked completely lost in the biggest games of the season and it appeared as if Crawford had lost all ability to motivate the players when it mattered most. The way the Stars struggled so mightily and lost so many games in embarrassing fashion (that loss to the Boston Bruins still stings as perhaps the worst game I've ever seen the Stars play) led Nieuwendyk to believe that while the Stars might have improved under Crawford, he wasn't going to be good enough to take them to that next level.
Our opinion on what happened is based solely on the product we witnessed on the ice and what Nieuwendyk said during yesterday's press conference. While we've spent time around the club, none of us had any clue that the Stars were a team that was internally battling coaching issues as well. Apparently, this firing comes as no surprise to those that know this team the best: Mike Heika, Darryl Reaugh and Mark Stepneski.
After the jump, we look at their reactions to what went down. If what they're saying is true, then it's frankly a bit surprising Crawford lasted as long as he did.
First, Mike Heika compares the firing of Crawford to the firing of former Texas Rangers manager Buck Showalter. For those that aren't Rangers fans, Showalter coached the ballclub from 2003 to 2006 and enjoyed surprising success in 2004. The Rangers could never take that "next step" and GM Jon Daniels felt that while Showalter had done a good job, he wasn't going to be the man that could take the baseball team any further.
Showalter was also not a "player's coach" and he was replaced with Ron Washington, perhaps the biggest "player's coach" in all of baseball. There was a feeling that Showalter had lost control of the team and Heika says this is what happened with Marc Crawford and the Stars:
Not unlike Showalter, Crawford likes to control most things with his team. He was one of the rare coaches who rotated not only the forwards but the defense pairs, and he definitely liked to have a say in all of the decisions. So when a coach makes all the decisions, and the team doesn't respond well, then there is going to be more responsibility for decisions made. It goes with the territory. The Stars had a ton of tests this year, and we have pointed them all out. That big homestand. The ensuing road trip. The final game against the Wild. The Stars didn't respond well. Is some of that on the players? Yes. Is as much on the coaches? It has to be.
Heika also goes on to say that the players questioned Crawford's decision making, most likely wondering about the same issues all of us were wondering about when the season was on the line.
The players also had some of the same questions you did about the coaching. Why did Crawford lean so heavily on Kari Lehtonen when Andrew Raycroft seemed like a viable alternative? Why did he favor Jeff Woywitka over Mark Fistric. Why was he constantly juggling lines? Why wasn't Loui Eriksson out there more at the end of games.
Heika notes that unlike Ken Hitchcock and Dave Tippett, Crawford was not the sort of coach that would attempt to individually motivate the players themselves. He left that up to the players themselves, but when the players had little to no confidence in the decisions that were being made -- and no one to fall back on when the going gets tough -- the players were unable to keep their level of play as high as it was when they were successful.
In other words, the Stars were winning in spite of Crawford and when they needed him to rally this team he failed to do so.
The stories of Hitchcock's ability to poke Mike Modano at the right time are legendary, and Tippett got more out of Mike Ribeiro because he knew exactly what buttons to push. Again, that's difference between Buck Showalter and Ron Washington. The players find a different gear for Washington.
Obviously, the goal now is to find a coach that actually motivates the players and maximizes the talent on the roster, no matter what the payroll might look like.
Mark Stepneski takes notethat while the Stars were enjoying remarkable success in January, the way the season ended amidst raised expectations led to Nieuwendyk making a tough decision when it comes to Crawford.
About three months ago Marc Crawford was getting touted as a candidate for the Jack Adams Award, which goes to the league's top coach. Now, he's out of a job. Just goes to show how much things can change over the course of the long NHL season.
There were lots of ups and downs for the Stars this and when you added them all up, it equaled 95 points, tying the mark for the most ever by a non-playoff team. But the bottom line is that they were a non-playoff team and that made it three straight years of no postseason hockey for the Stars and two in a row under Crawford.
Of course, we leave it to Razor to be the most blunt about the coaching change. He has been a critic of Marc Crawford's nearly all season long, and you get the feeling he saw the writing on the wall even before the season was over. Written before the loss to Minnesota, Razor notes:
The Stars just wrapped up a practice at Ridder Arena on the campus of the University of Minnesota with, wait for it...a little shootout?!!!!!
If tomorrow's game goes to a shootout the Stars season is over, for sure, (It might be even before that) so why on earth would there be a need to go through that "muscle memory" today?
I guess this is why I broadcast and others coach. Haha.
Then there was this on Monday:
But all that leaves is a big fat burning question. A question that surely started to be mulled and pondered even as the clock ground painfully down to zero in the Xcel Energy Center, and will be further bandied about for the next six months. How does this team take the next step and again play games in mid to late April - at the very least?
As difficult as it might be to find, an answer to that query is needed, because in the galloping world of big time sports if you're stuck in neutral the cruel reality is - you're actually in reverse.
The answer to this question, at least in part, was to fire the coach. The man who was responsible for motivating the team before big games and the man who decided that a shootout in practice, before a game when the shootout would be useless, mattered most. Razor did not pull any punches after the news came down, either:
When his teams are "on" they play a reckless, get after it style that can overwhelm tired teams or teams that are trying to play safe. But when a smart, structured approach is needed...like say when injuries hit...?
On personnel issues I question whether he ever connected with individuals on this team. Maybe its just not his style but in today's world it has to be. He all but lost his captain last season and he certainly lost his backup goalie this year. At the same time, he doled out oodles of ice-time to top players (ie Brad Richards) sometimes to the detriment of the group as a whole and without enough gratitude from those he was giving the ice-time to. "A spoiled child never loves its mother"
Bottom line, he couldn't get more out of this group of players than the payroll suggested they could give. He couldn't get them to survive and thrive. They just weren't 100% believers in the message and/or the game plan. Too much gasconade and volatility, not enough structure and poise.
Three different opinions, two of which separately agree that the players had lost confidence in their coach's decision making -- a coach that was unable to motivate his players and unable to make the most of the roster he had. While there was similar thoughts about Tippett his final season in Dallas, there was never any doubt about the effort his hockey teams produced.
When we stated last week that this was a team that was "all alone", I never would have guessed that the players would feel that removed from their coach as well. It's no surprise that Nieuwendyk made the decision he did, especially if he's serious about taking the Stars to the elite level of the Western Conference.
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Interesting stuff from my point of view.
Because Crawford was never anything less than thoughtful and patient with the media. He would even tell a joke or two every now and then.
Then I think, did I ever see him interact with one of his players….No, I did not.
by Brad Gardner on Apr 13, 2011 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Razor notes that Crawford was very accomodating the media and a very nice guy
But you’re right…..we never — not once — got any sense of how he interacted with the players. He never called anyone out and everytime the Stars absolutely SUCKED….he could do nothing but talk about how they “tried hard.”
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 13, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Razor also mentions there were plenty of people in the organization that didn't like him
Makes you wonder who those people were? Players?
That was really my main reason for starting to want crow fired, was the players attitude.
I said it several times at the end of the season. The Stars never showed desperation until those last 5 games. The 10 vital games before that, though, it was always “We tried hard, but oh well, we’ll get the next one.” That disappointed me every stinking time. What they NEEDED was to be pissed off and have a fire lit under their asses for continuing to play poorly in the first or second periods. That motivation comes from the coach.
If the coach is relaxed in the final 15 games of the season, so are the players.
"I’m going on record that he read it wrong. We’ll see who’s right." - Hull Fan, in regards to Joe not trading Richards
no question it does remind me of that
I am coming for you, Mark Lowe.
You’d better run, because there will be more with me.
I WILL DESTROY YOU MARK LOWE. ---LSJ 3/24
I hadn't thought about that
but it’s a true comparison.
Crawford was not the sort of coach that would attempt to individually motivate the players individually.
He was also not the type of coach to regularly use his backup goalie regularly….
Lol.
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 13, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
This explains those absolutley mental stats about how Ribs and Morrow being "on" were so much better when they were "off"
You wouldn’t find such a massive detrimental difference to a players output by the likes of Eriksson and Richards, but those two… bloody hell.
Feel sorry for Raycroft, poor lad’s basically done nothing this year.
Damn did we miss Nicklas Grossman
The draft? fuck that, I can't wait for the next Alternate Jersey!!!
Bill Oellerman - "Starting on defense number forty... oh for fuck sake Crawford you may as well put Derian Hatcher's corpse there instead, and Bettmann would still give him a major....-four Jeff WOYWITTKAAA"
by Great British Stars Fan on Apr 13, 2011 3:29 PM CDT reply actions
Surely the picture caption should say,
“As Benn initiates “Beast Mode”, Head Coach Crawford asses the salad dressing his Mother produced at the annual NHL Head Coach&Family Ready Stead Cook"
Damn did we miss Nicklas Grossman
The draft? fuck that, I can't wait for the next Alternate Jersey!!!
Bill Oellerman - "Starting on defense number forty... oh for fuck sake Crawford you may as well put Derian Hatcher's corpse there instead, and Bettmann would still give him a major....-four Jeff WOYWITTKAAA"
by Great British Stars Fan on Apr 13, 2011 3:31 PM CDT reply actions
Lol should say Accesses :D
Damn did we miss Nicklas Grossman
The draft? fuck that, I can't wait for the next Alternate Jersey!!!
Bill Oellerman - "Starting on defense number forty... oh for fuck sake Crawford you may as well put Derian Hatcher's corpse there instead, and Bettmann would still give him a major....-four Jeff WOYWITTKAAA"
by Great British Stars Fan on Apr 13, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
This was exactly the reason Fistric never played
Culinary tastes were polarised.
Damn did we miss Nicklas Grossman
The draft? fuck that, I can't wait for the next Alternate Jersey!!!
Bill Oellerman - "Starting on defense number forty... oh for fuck sake Crawford you may as well put Derian Hatcher's corpse there instead, and Bettmann would still give him a major....-four Jeff WOYWITTKAAA"
by Great British Stars Fan on Apr 13, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn't this last year of Barnes?
If he is gone too, there might be some more fresh faces with Stars…
Perhaps Zubov might retire and find his way back to this organization…
I dunno about that.
Zubov was a smart and talented player, but I wonder if he might’ve been too talented.
It makes me think of Wayne Gretzky, who, as a player, could “see” the game probably better than almost everyone else in the history of the game. As a coach, though, he bombed — and I think that might be because too much of it came naturally to him… he couldn’t understand how to translate it into a plan that other people could follow.
That doesn’t mean that Zubov is the same way, but I’d be more comfortable with someone like Craig Ludwig, who got to where they were primarily through grit and determination — it helps that in Ludwig’s case, he’s a proven leader, comfortable with talking to other people, and we know understands the game.
Not to say “Ludwig for defensive coach”, but that’s the sort of person I’d like to see in the role.
"I've always considered myself as good (as), or better than Patrick." - Ed Belfour
Good points.
It was just an idea, nothing more…
And I’m not sure should he earn so big job so fast…
But something to think about.
I just would love to see Huddy gone. Wouldn’t mind Ludwig, but does Joe feel that way? It remains to be seen.
by Henri Muroke on Apr 14, 2011 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Plus Zubov despises the media attention
"The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second mouse who gets the cheese" - Daryl "Razor" Reaugh
Hmm...
True,but he is pretty open, when they talk about hockey in Russia. He talks honestly about it and is not afraid to speak his mind.
by Henri Muroke on Apr 14, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
“While there was similar thoughts about Tippett his final season in Dallas, there was never any doubt about the effort his hockey teams produced. "
Seriously? There was a great deal of doubt whether or not the Stars under Tippett put forth the effort required to play. How many games did they need to be out-worked in order for it to be clear to all?
now that things like this that have come out
Its awesome GM Joe saw the writing on the wall and pulled the trigger. That took some guts especially since this was his hiring all the way.
I am coming for you, Mark Lowe.
You’d better run, because there will be more with me.
I WILL DESTROY YOU MARK LOWE. ---LSJ 3/24
Kinda glad they didn't make the playoffs if this stuff us true...
he probably would have been back next year.
i felft this way about crow after the last year. i also believe dave got hooked to early. tips last year was amazing considering the injury bug that swept threw the locker room. Im sorry but i will not except the thought that this team does not have enough talent to make the playoffs. hell people where picking us to win the west a few years ago.
go go goligoski
I'd like to know...
… which players were were wondering why Crawford liked Woywitka more than he liked Fistric.
I don’t agree about Tippett getting more out of Ribeiro. He was a better all around player this year under Crawford than he’s ever been.
Willie Desjardins...
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 13, 2011 5:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Speaking of Desjardins
Wasn’t he getting all the credit when they were winning, detail guy and all. Supposed to let Crawford focus on the big picture. Now that they lose, Crawford’s a control freak again and has his hand in everything again. Did he steal Willie’s clipboard and hide it or something?
the losses were more about motivation than anything else, i think.
They looked tired/bored every time. That has more to do with overall coaching than details.
But you definitely make a valid point.
"I’m going on record that he read it wrong. We’ll see who’s right." - Hull Fan, in regards to Joe not trading Richards
Wait...
he doled out oodles of ice-time to top players (ie Brad Richards) sometimes to the detriment of the group as a whole and without enough gratitude from those he was giving the ice-time to. “A spoiled child never loves its mother”
So are we calling Richards out?
The way I read it...
He gave more ice time to the big guys, but that didn’t make them cash in any more than regular.
"I’m going on record that he read it wrong. We’ll see who’s right." - Hull Fan, in regards to Joe not trading Richards
That would then suggest that the 95 some odd points from Richards last year werent enough
And he was on a similar pace this year
It's not specifically richards...
He’s talking about putting your best players on the ice during clutch time, and they continually didn’t put forth the effort that was needed. Not about points totals per season.
When you’re benching half your team, then sticking the other half out more often, that other half needs to be scoring more than they normally would. If they aren’t, then that strategy is useless. And it proved to be useless for most of March.
"I’m going on record that he read it wrong. We’ll see who’s right." - Hull Fan, in regards to Joe not trading Richards
I dont think thats fair.
Stars top players by points per game
Richards 77 pts 1.06
Eriksson 73 pts .92
Ribeiro 71 pts .87
Jamie Benn 56 pts .81
Morrow 56 pts .68
Goligoski .18 pts 65
Canucks top players by points per game
Sedin 104 pts 1.26
Sedin 94 pts 1.15
Kesler 73 pts .89
Burrows 48 pts .67
Samuelsson 50 pts .61
Ehrhoff 50 pts .61
The Canucks fire power isn’t much more powerful than what the Stars had at the top end. If they’re trying to level criticism at Crawford for doing what he always does and riding his top guys than I’m ok with that, but if the criticism is that the scorers themselves didn’t produce then I think thats a flawed opinion.
Your stats are misleading
Don’t look at their stats for the entire season. Look at the stats for Feb. and March. That was when the playoff spot was being won or lost. That’s when the best players needed be the best players as the cliche goes. If you want to see how someone does in the playoffs, look at their playoff stats. If you want to see how some one performs when the team’s playoff hopes are on the line then look at their stats during that time.
I don't see
how anyone can question their effort most of the time. I don’t think motivation or effort was their problem at all. The fact that they lose a game doesn’t mean they weren’t trying or weren’t motivated. Look at the teams they played from late Feb. to early Apr. Almost every game was against a playoff team.
I dont think its so much about effort
As it is about confidence in the team and the coaches…and you could see that in the most important games. They looked lost at times and the game against Minnesota is a perfect example. The Stars should have come out in that game with their add on fire, yet were dominated by AHL players and an average defense.
That falls on coaching.
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 13, 2011 6:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It's the start of games and the end of games that brings this issue home
All season they typically had sluggish starts. Then the had the maddening issue last year and this year of not being able to close out games. The game tying goals that came with 2 mins or less time and again were inexcuse-able. I think that directly relates to coaching. It is motivation, direction and getting your team ready to play or settling them down to close it out. That was sorely lacking and most certainly not a talent issue.
"The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second mouse who gets the cheese" - Daryl "Razor" Reaugh
If they really were an unmotivated team that looked tired/bored down the stretch
(and I don’t know if they were because I didn’t get to actually ‘watch’ them very often where I live), then yes- a lot of that is a failure of the coach.
But I don’t think that’s 100% failure in coaching. I think it’s also failure on the part of the leaders on the team (the Captain and alternates) to lead and motivate and play with fire.
From what I gather from Heika
Is that the leaders on this team could only do so much. They layer their asses off, yet had to overcome bad coaching decisions and a coach that was not there to rally them when the shit hit the fan.
You could see it in how they played the last half of the season. They had nothing left, and looked completely disjointed as a team when they needed to be closer than ever. If the Stars were going to be successful, it was going to be in spite of the coach.
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 13, 2011 6:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree...don't think you can ask anymore out of your "leaders"...the morrow/ott/ribs line was superb...
the last part of the season…….confidence in a plan? It was apparent there wasn’t much of a plan from feb-on. That’s coaching. If you can’t rely on everyone to know whats going on, know the plan, you try and overcompensate…and everyone is out of sync. That happened.
Any chance some of this is
Just blaming the guy that just left town, instead of putting some of it on guys who are still around?
by Giant Space Ants on Apr 14, 2011 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps
But you can’t fire the team, and if a new coach comes in and the results are the same then you absoultely have to lay it at the feet of the players.
"The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second mouse who gets the cheese" - Daryl "Razor" Reaugh
Usually I hate to see teams fire their coaches
Just because they can’t get it together. I didn’t agree with the firing of Hitch and I didn’t agree with the firing of Tip. But in this case, I never thought he was the right coach for the job.
I made a comment a while back that I never liked his defensive style, and maybe that’s more on Huddy…I don’t know. But to just give up the blue line so easily seemed wrong, and when you’re into March and still have no effective answer for the behind the net to the forward in front play, something is seriously wrong.
I didn’t think dump and chase was a good way to enter the zone, but it actually worked pretty well…except on the PP. I wonder if that was a lot of their problem….entering the zone without bothering to bring the puck with them.
Anyway, I don’t think it’s fair to put it all on the coach, but I never liked the way he just screamed at teams he used to coach and I figured that would be a problem. Little did I know that he’d calm down so much that he decided to stop inspiring them altogether.
And I totally agree that a month of bad losses and no decent response to the media got old.
this headline is all wrong
its not that the players lost confidence in crawford, its that they never had any confidence in him to begin with.
by the way worst e-news ever...
by heyitsthatguy! on Apr 15, 2011 10:20 AM CDT reply actions

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