Hypocrisy By The NHL And Media In Full Effect
New York Islanders forward Trevor Gillies has just now been suspended 10 games for his latest vicious and reckless hit on the Wild's Cal Clutterbuck Wednesday night. This of course comes on the heels of the 9 game suspension he just finished serving for his actions during the Islanders / Penguins brawl-mania event on February 11.
At this point to say that the NHL did or didn't hand out the right kind of punishment is pretty much moot. Honestly as a fan I'm numb to the whole debate on what a proper punishment is and isn't and wether repeat offenders should have increasingly heavier books thrown at them by Colin Campbell. I started to go numb to the whole NHL punishment process back in December 17 of 2009 when the NHL handed out mere 'tsk, tsks!' in the form of fines to both David Koci for his vicious boarding of Mike Green and Jarkko Rutuu equally as dangerous flying elbow on Patrick Kaleta. Since then (and even before that) every NHL punishment handed out has been a sick guessing game of "how little is the NHL going to punish this guy now?" up until Danny Paille's blindside hit of Raymond Sawada a few weeks ago that only somehow managed to be worth just four games.
By the way NHL, Sawada has just made it back onto the ice from that injury if you at all cared about his well being.
Anyway, between then and now I as a hockey fan have just thrown my arms up into the air and given up hope that one day the league would get it's head out of its rear and actually get tough with those that give out these cheap shots. Figuring out what the hell is wrong with Charlie Sheen's head at this point would probably be more productive than trying to figure out what NHL brass is thinking when they hand out these punishments.
So Gillies getting handed a 10 game suspension doesn't really matter to me. What does matter to me are the likes of the media such as former player (and well noted goon himself) Matt Barnaby, Scott Burnside of ESPN, Ryan Cooper of the Washinton Post and even Razor Reaugh among others all voicing in pretty much one loud chorus of: "Get him out of our league! He has no place here, he's just a goon!"
Not to sound disrespectful to any of these fine members of the media... But are you kidding me? Suddenly now you're going to start calling for players to be tossed out of the league for dangerous hits and careless play? And why exactly now? Because Gillies is a fringe NHLer who has all of 1 goal in 48 career NHL games?
Talk about hypocrisy!
I'm not about to defend Gillies and his actions, not in the least. I do agree he should have been smacked down by a 15 game suspension if not more. The real problem here is that the people sounding this call to dramatic action on such a fringe player and leading the "get him out of here" brigade are mostly nowhere to be found if someone of more noteworthy caliber is the one dishing out the dirty hits.
Maybe I am biased (maybe?) but compare the Gillies hit with say the Shea Weber hit on Tomas Vincour from this past Sunday...
How are these hits different? They seem quite similar to me, the only difference is one hit was done by a world-class hockey player, multiple time all-star and all-around well liked guy and the other hit was by Trevor Gillies.
You may argue that "Gillies has a reputation" but does that really matter or should it? Matt Cooke has owned a well known reputation for years by the league and it's fans and has been on the business end of a series of punishments from the league, yet the worst punishment he's ever picked up even with all the sucker hits and cheap shots was four games just recently. Gillies is on punishment number two and people were already calling for double digits. Why? Because Cooke at least has some hockey playing talent...
So I'm told.
And this brings me to the second part of my pointing out of the whole hypocritical nature of the NHL and the people that cover it. There are those that would claim that Gillies should have had the book thrown at him because his actions came on the very same game that he returned from his nine game time-out. I too would be fine with that argument if it wasn't for someone like Jody Shelley.
Shelly - again, well noted long time NHL goon who also had a bad reputation of sorts and also has a lengthy rap sheet in terms of NHL punishment - was suspended by the league for two games for a boarding Adam McQuaid of the Boston Bruins. He served that punishment, then while playing in just his third game back sucker punched Andrew Alberts of the Vancouver Canucks. I think you could argue that Shelley had "not learned his lesson" with such a quick turnaround time between dastardly deeds, yet punishment wise all he was handed was another pitiful two game slap on the wrist by the NHL.
But now we have a bad guy in Trevor Gillies who I keep hearing is so horrible at playing hockey that he really shouldn't be in the pros to begin with. Gillies as mentioned has 1 goal in 48 games payed. If you took that goal scoring average of 1 goal every 48 games and stretched it out over say 589 games that would come out to about 12 or 13 goals.
Or to put it another way, 5 or 6 goals off the pace of noted NHL talent Jody Shelley.
Are you starting to see where I am going with all of this?
Look, I hate that I've spent the past hour writing up a quasi-defense for the likes of Trevor Gillies who as I said should have had the book thrown at him today for being the no-talent thug he really is. The problem though is that if the book was thrown at Gillies, it wouldn't be even close to consistent with previously handed out punishments by the league.
As it is, the people covering this sport have already shown a gross inconsistency in terms of their reaction to Gillies compared to that of actions by other more noteworthy goons in the NHL and that is as much a part of the problem as what the league is doing itself.
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Wow!
Could not have said it better myself….my question is, what is the league doing to improve how they handle these types of situations? We all laughingly say the league spins a wheel and that decides how many games someone gets. (which can’t be ruled out as what really happens!) Why no do a complete overhaul of who decides, etc. There should be a committee made up of hockey ops, former players/coaches/officials, basically a wide range of hockey types. Perhaps, decisions coming after discussion among different hockey types would produce more consistent and appropriate suspensions. We know what comes from Campbell, already to be proven to have ulterior motives, is not the best way to go.
P.S- I’m really tired of hearing talking heads act like every energy player on the 4th line is a goon. They aren’t. Krys Barch is a energy/fighter but I can’t recall him ever having a Gillies moment. And no …every team doesn’t have their own goon. That’s ridiculous. …carry on
I argued last season...
That what the league and Colin Campbell and the rest need to do is hit a virtual reset button. Come out before the start of the season and say “these are the rules… break these rules and this is the punishment for each rule broken.. past years do not matter any more.. THIS is the new standard and the new standard will be much tougher and stricter than years past which is why no one can based what we do now on past years..”
At this point I do feel the NHL has handcuffed itself. There really isn’t even a need for committees or groups.. The NHL knows what should be done.. it’s just set so many precedents that are more on the lenient side of things that it has no way to hammer down when it wants to.
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by Art Middleton on Mar 4, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
But do you trust the “league” Colin Campbell to do what has to be done? I don’t know how we could be confident in him.
Honestly, I do trust him...
I’m not in the “the league is ran by idiots” camp. I think Campbell is highly intelligent and – I know this is hard for people to understand – that Gary Bettman really does care about the state of the game and the league.
You have to understand though that Campbell and Bettman have to answer to the NHL board of governors and 30 (well ideally 30) team owners and THEY also have a say and can dictate the direction the game goes and how punishments are handed out and as far as I am concerned, there are a lot of those in that group that I don’t trust.
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by Art Middleton on Mar 4, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly.
Until the NHL does an off-season about-face and says that the old precedents no longer apply, I don’t think that there will be any significant change in all of this. They’ll continue to hand out random punishments in a random way, players will continue to go out with concussions, and we’ll all be left in WTF-ville.
by WingnutInStarsCountry on Mar 4, 2011 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
There is a difference in the hits
Look where Weber hit’s Vincour, on his back. It’s unfortunate he’s bent over and gets pushed into the boards, but it’s clearly not intended to injure Vincour. Worth a suspension – yeah maybe, to make him think twice before hitting a guy from behind again.
Where does Gillies hit Clutterbuck? Upside the head. He clearly could have hit him in the shoulder but he purposely went high for the head in an intent to injure move. Not to mention Clutterbuck wasn’t even playing the puck whereas Vincour was. Worth a suspension – definitely because he controlled the outcome of that hit. I see a big difference between the two hits.
Worth a suspension – yeah maybe, to make him think twice before hitting a guy from behind again.
But was he suspended? No. Was there a large media outcry saying he should have been? Not even a whisper.
That’s the point.
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by Art Middleton on Mar 4, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, he did intend to injure Vincour
Vincour was in a far more vulnerable position than Clutterbuck. Weber was tired of having Benn and Vincour skate around and through him and he got his moment. He fully extends his arms into the back of a skater who is about to go head and neck into the boards. Weber is a punk and deserves no defense. He is a thug, if the hit on Vincour wasn’t enough the post game suckerpunch THE NEXT NIGHT should be enough. Oh and see his flying elbow from the world cup 2008 taking out a German forward named Seidenberg. Shea Weber has some excellent skills as a hockey player, but frankly he is a little punk as well. As bad as Avery and far worse than the Pred fans would accuse Ott of being. Enough with the Weber defense. He is dirty.
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Constiency has definitely been a problem. And I won't try and argue with you on any of the points made. (Wall of text warning!)
My general feeling is that if someone pulls the same kind of hit the day aftyer he comes back from a long suspension, he’s flat out saying “I don’t give a shit about your rules. I’ll play how I want to, regardless of anyone’s safety.” A statement like that one needs to be dealt with harshly. Suspension for the season, or being tossed out of the league.
Look, regardless of consistency, as fans of the game, we have to keep trying to make our voices heard that something needs to be done. Yes, it has been a problem for a long time. And yes, it will still be a problem for a while to come, I’m sure. But we can’t just say “oh well, we tried.” We HAVE to continue to show our disapproval of hits like these. And the players need to, too.
I find a couple of things greatly disturbing about all of this:
1. That the Islanders are still sticking up for this man, instead of tossing him to the curb like the garbage he is. Sometimes teams need to do the right thing and suspend their own players. The Stars have done it before for a lot less than endangering someone’s life. It’s time that teams quit supporting their goons when they go too far.
2. That the NHL is seriously NOT stepping up their punishment for these incidences. I’ve said this before, but how can the NHL NOT act on these things, when it’s a concussion that has kept they’re only real MVP of the season out for months, and maybe though the playoffs, too?! Granted, I know that hit wasn’t dirty like this one, but if you ar stricter on regulations and punishments, players will be more careful to avoid those types of hits. It’s sad to me, because I know why they’re not doing anything about it. Publicity. They’re making headlines with this stuff. They have the attention of the national media. People are talking about them. And that’s all they freaking care about. They are the equivalent of Charlie Sheen. Mad ramblings that people pay attyention to, and Charlie loves it. If it’s ever going to stop, they’re going to have to make an example out of 2 or more people now. If they suspend someone for a whole season or more, everyone will think “Oh that’s just the NHL being inconsistent again.” They are going to have to grow some fucking balls and hand out harsh punishments to their players. It’s the only way to get it to stop.
But the sad thing is we know that’s not going to happen. They won’t start being consistent any time soon. And we all know what it’s going to take: Someone is going to die on the ice. Plain and simple. I really hope I’m wrong, but that really seems to be the only thing that ill make it stop.
/rant
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Yes, it is...
very much disturbing to see the Islanders supporting his hit. If they want to support him personally, fine, but to defend his play is baffling.
The Islanders are the laughing stock of the league.
Their management is a joke.
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by Ross Phillips on Mar 4, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know how much the Isles are sticking up for him.. They didn't even send a team rep with Gillies to the meeting today - so I've read...
But to your second point, as I said above, I think the NHL just needs to hit a reset button because I fully agree with you.. The moment the NHL was to get tough on someone like Cooke or Shelley or punish Weber for any length of games – you get fans crying out that compared to other examples, the NHL is singling that player and / or team out.
They can’t do it mid-season.. Ideally they’d come out before the start of a season and say “Ok.. Forget what you thought you knew.. stop comparing it to the past… NOW we get tougher”
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by Art Middleton on Mar 4, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
ideally that would be the best solution....
too bad they don’t have the balls to do it.
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first time seeing the weber hit
did he really thing that he did nothing wrong there? I agree with your conclusion that the NHL doesn’t wanna punish better players, and it is seen with that weber hit.
It's Time.
Yeah, he thought he did nothing wrong. He got pissed at the refs for throwing him in the box for a measly 2 minutes.
Last year, when Down Goes Brown came out with his suspension chart, I thought it was just in good fun. More and more, I’m beginning to think he really did steal it from the desk of Colin Campbell.
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I Think You Have To...
setup a concrete, tiered system that determines what the punishment is no matter the players skill level.
This would remove the bias inherent to allowing a person or persons to determine punishment.
Example:
1st Offense – 5 Games
2nd Offense – 10 Games
3rd Offense – 15 Games
There should also be a team punishment as the number of offenses accrue.
For example, one player commits an offense and is suspended for 5 games, they serve their suspension and avoid any other offenses the rest of the season. Then another player on the same team commits an offense and receives the 5 game suspension. I would have that team now have accrued 2 Offenses and maybe at the 3rd one in a single season there would be a required punishment. Say a point in the standings (not really feasible in my mind), 5 game penalty where your allowable playing roster has to be 1 player shorter or some other punishment that I can’t think of.
But, anyways, that’s what I would do.
it would probably be reduced to a large team fine
but i think that’s a good idea.
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The multiple team fines is an intriguing idea..
But I don’t know how fair it is… For example, Robidas earlier this year was given an automatic one game suspension for having two game misconducts between a 41 game period.. Would you count that towards the team fine structure? I don’t any one would say Robidas is a dirty player by any stretch, but then you can’t just say “ok those don’t count” because there are dirty players who would suffer the same punishment and the teams they play for not affected…
That idea – while I think it has some strong merit – may not be completely feasible IMO.
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by Art Middleton on Mar 4, 2011 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
what they need to do...
is focus more on the play itself, and not necessarily on who did it. A head shot is a head shot, it doesn’t matter if it is a 4th line nobody or the star player on the team.
That probably starts with the guys in stripes on the ice. They need to do a better job of seeing them game though un-biased eyes. How many times do you see some poor rookie get nailed with a penalty that a 10 year vet does every single game yet never gets called for it.
As for the whole “accidentally” boarding/whatever call. (Like Weber on Vincour the other night) versus the intentional hit (GIllies) the league needs to do a better job of letting the players know that regardless of your status in the league you should all get the same punishment for that kind of play.
Was the Gillies hit worth 10 games? Absolutely. Should Weber at least gotten a game suspension, yes. A lot of people that have never played the game fail to realize just how dangerous the Weber type boarding play is. It personally happened to me, and I could not turn my head at all for about a week. To me, that’s is by far the scariest play in hockey. The league has started to focus so much on the direct hits to the head, that they are seemingly forgetting about the boarding type penalties that are just as dangerous.
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Great points..
I’d be very much in favor of the NHL going more the direction of the IIHF where any contact to the head is penalized accident or not.
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by Art Middleton on Mar 4, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
I have to agree.
If you leave any type of gray area that only gets guys to test the waters and see how far they can go. Sure, you’re going to end up penalizing guys who didn’t really deserve it, but what’s worse: hurting someone’s feelings or endangering lives?
Travis Roy was paralyzed going into the boards like that
Mike Modano missed 10 games after Salei shoved him into the boards head first. I haven’t had that happen to me, but when I got hit in high school, it was a yard sale. Stick in the stands, one glove on a bench, helmet in the corner, another glove in the penalty box. Sucks being so little, fortunately I was able to get away from most big hits. But yes, this is far more dangerous than the E-W hits on vulnerable players and eventually a player will be killed or paralyzed by one of these hits. Then what, will the refs sit with the decision that “hey we gave him a two minute minor for boarding/checking from behind”. I agree, you want to remove these plays, MAKE IT HURT. Automatic suspensions long suspensions. 10 games even from first accidental instance and a fine. Make the players realize they will be fully held accountable for dirty plays that are delivered with an intent, not to remove a player from the puck but to injure.
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happened to me
in a Bantam Stars Center SCRIMMAGE, that was supposed to be non-contact. That’s the only reason I was even in a position to get hit from behind. Because I assumed that no contact actually meant no contact. Easily the scariest moment of my hockey career (so far)
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by Ross Phillips on Mar 4, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
I love playing beer league hockey
For the most part the guys on both benches are great and after handshakes, there is probably one frothy adult beverage waiting in the parking lot afterwards. We bump, we push, we hook and slash a little too. But honestly most of the guys respect that all of us are just wage slugs getting some exercise and having a great time reliving our childhood dreams. Everybody knows that fighting is a season ending proposition and a sacrifice of a couple hundred bucks. Depending how serious the fight is, could be a new set of bracelets and a trip to the hoosecow for processing and fingerprints. So if we can do it, play hard, get chippy, get loud, push and shove and generally hate the other guy for an hour, so can the professionals. Make some standard and painful punishments and a lot of bad things will correct themselves.
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ITC in Richardson:
Allows fighting in beer leagues. At least in the upper couple levels of beer league that is. I played this summer with a bunch of guys I played with in high school. (I was one of the oldest guys on the team, at the ripe old age of 21) The funny part was that everyone on my team was just there for a good time and messing around, because about half of us don’t even hardly play anymore. Yet everyone was constantly trying to fight us in that league. A little ridiculous that a 30-40 something year old guy would go picking a fight with someone that is 18-20.
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by Ross Phillips on Mar 4, 2011 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
Well of course we all know the scouts are out
Watching no check beer leagues. I did play with a couple guys who were recruited for pro leagues; Chris Andrus who was a serious stud, played USHL and was recruited by the Austin Ice Bats in the day of the WPHL. He chose to continue going to school at UT. The other guy was in San Antonio by the name of Joey Kocur. He had already been to the NHL and got brought back by the Red Wings. But yes, too often in the beer leagues there are guys who think they are a step away from the national league, even though they are playing B league hockey, could not run a mile if their shorts were on fire, and can’t see their toes when standing up.
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o you dont even know
how many 30 year old guys have tried to fight me. this when i was 16-17 (im 18 now) and playing in higher adult leagues at my old inline rink. My whole team of older guys had my back though so it was fun. when fights actually did break out all i could do is find the smallest adult and go for a head lock lol.
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Great article.
I just had to post it in my Facebook, hope it’s fine.
I just have to see who says something first and who will read this first.
Very good article.
How bout letting the injured player have a say in length of the suspension?
I wonder what Steve Moore would say, if he could choose how long Bertuzzi was out for. “As long as I am” would be what I choose.
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It was a well written article
Sorry, I am upset by some of the antics that are going on in the league now. I appreciate a hard game, I appreciate guys getting chippy with me, and I love getting chippy back. Two weeks ago a guy told me I was going to die…I told him better MEN than his fat ass had tried and I am still walking, he wasn’t going to be the one. The next shift I got elbowed in the mouth. I wear a shield not a cage. But, in 7 weeks I have buried one Marine, I have another Marine just arrive home from Afghanistan minus his legs and yesterday had a Marine shot in the head. (Amazingly, not a joke) he suffered no critical damage, The round entered behind his ear and lodged in his spine, but did not do any damage to the nerves. He is in Germany for surgery to see if they should remove the round or leave it, whichever does less damage. The fact is, my guys are doing a dangerous job and risk is a part of it, the people they are fighting is a real life or death situation, hockey players are modern day gladiators, entertaining the masses in a beautiful and violent game. They have to learn that they can hit each other, but there needs to be some level of respect for the safety of their opponents.
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I think that
we should all think about how all of this played out in 1980. Was there more respect and a taboo for hitting behind into the boards or were these hits ignored? Before everyone says ignored, remember that there was not a rash of injuries from these types of hits back then, if I remember correctly.
or the injuries were just ignored.
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by Ross Phillips on Mar 4, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
Hi and thanks
You pretty much hit the nail on the head. If a noted goal scorer hit Clutterbuck the same way, the league would likely say the arm was simply a part of a follow-through motion. But that’s not to say I’m defending Gillies either.
What I want to know is why Mike Camilleri can take his stick in a preseason game and swing it at an Islander player’s face, and then hack his legs with another swipe, and get only one game. I’d like to know how Maxine Talbot delivered not one but two cheap shots in one game (one injuring Blake Comeau and the other a blind-side head shot delivered to John Tavares), and received no fine and no suspension. And yes, now that I’ve seen it, I want to know why Shea Webber is not sitting for as long as Gillies.
But since we won’t get that answer, I have another solution: Take away two active roster spots from each team and redistribute those lost jobs to two new teams. By redistributing, it wouldn’t really be “expansion” and yet teams would not be able to afford to keep players like Boogard, Cooke, and yes, Gillies around. There simply wouldn’t be a roster spot for them.
This will not stop a few of the better players from losing their minds from time to time. Rules still have to be in place to make sure they feel the sting of their actions, and the league can’t be afraid to to sit them down. But eliminating two fourth-line spots would go a long way towards ending the worst of the violence.
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Mar 4, 2011 5:42 PM CST reply actions
Not a bad idea, but the fighting is not necessarily bad
Taking a seat away from an enforcer is extreme too. They have a role on the ice, and it is up for the team and the coaching staff to ensure those guys understand clearly where the role is. Nobody wants to see good players hurt or average players hurt. Losing Burrish hurt the Stars a ton, and he is an energy guy. But the penalties should be consistent, regardless of reputation, or status of the player. Dirty and dangerous play will not be tolerated, if you are Pronger, Crosby, Weber, Gillies or Barch. I would hope the ref’s catch it, but that is not guarenteed, it helps the linesman can recommend calls they see, but it is still 4 sets of eyes, trying to watch the entire ice, all the plays, and a lot of camera’s with Toronto watching. Toronto needs to inject more influence, especially even when the referee misses it. Sorry, can’t help you with your guys and frustration with Talbot, we have similar with Richards and a high elbow.
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a lot of people
are forgetting that an enforcer is not the same thing as a goon.
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by Ross Phillips on Mar 4, 2011 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, you can still have an enforcer.
In the Islanders’ case, Zenon Konopka leads the league in fights, but he’s a critical face-off guy (5th in the league) who takes lots of important defensive zone face-offs. And most importantly, he doesn’t cross the line. I’m sure the Stars have someone similar. And blood will still boil. There will still be fights, something I’m all for when the occasion calls for it.
But eliminating the two roster spots (remember that the league didn’t always have those roster spots anyway, as I recollect), there’s absolutely no room for someone who’s only purpose is fight and take cheap shots at the other team’s better players.
And bluliner10, your point about enforcing the rules evenly is more or less what I was hoping for. I guess I just said it in a whiny voice. :-)
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Mar 4, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
We have Barch
He is not a high skill guy, but he makes the most out of 6 minutes a night. He rarely gets called for minors. Mostly 5 minute majors for fighting. He skates well, and he is able to deliver some very hard clean checks. Frequently the DBD crowd is of mixed feelings on Barchy, but Crawford plays him over a couple other more skilled guys in Sutherby and Segal who went sent to the AHL. His 2 goals 1 assist season would put him in the catagory of marginal NHL player, but he earns his time on the ice. I understand getting rid of goons, but we are a long way away from 30 fight first full NHL skill players. But his fights against Brad May and his fight against Cam Janssen are worth the price of admission and sometimes just what the team needs.
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He sounds like a crowd pleaser.
I’d like those like Barch to still have a job. That sounds like one heck of an enforcer. I wish to get rid of zero people who can really play at the NHL level, but getting rid of only one roster spot might not be enough to get rid of the dredges of this league.
Unfortunately, I think that’s the only way to get rid of those types of players. We tried rules, but they’re not enforced evenly, despite what the league thinks.
Let’s not forget, however, that as much as we like some of these players who bust their butts every night, they wouldn’t have been considered good enough when the NHL had only 6 teams, or 12 or even 20. Some might get shuffled back to the NHL, but I guess that’s a small price to pay to ensure that your best players don’t have a bulls eye painted on their heads. /shrugs
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by ICanSeeForIslesAndIsles on Mar 4, 2011 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
A suspension...Derian Hatcher
In a game between Dallas and Phoenix in April of 99, Hatcher crushed Jeremy Roenick. Cost him the final 2 games of the season and 5 playoff games. Roenick had sliced Modano in the face with his stick earlier in the year and Hatcher paid him back breaking Roenick’s jaw. I was happy to see Hatcher send the message, but I was not happy with the message. That suspension was very fair considering that missing those 5 games in the first round of the playoffs could have derailed Dallas’ eventual Cup winning run.
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And remember the old addage the NHL has for the playoffs that every one playoff game equals two regular season games...
So in effect that was a 12 game suspension…
And ya know what.. I was fine with that punishment because that is what that kind of hit deserved.
Now? I bet Hatcher would have gotten two playoff games max.
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by Art Middleton on Mar 4, 2011 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly
If Hatch had hit him cleanly, he could have ended Roenick’s season. He surely would have sent the message, don’t mess with Texas. But yes, that was an extreme penalty fit for the situation it addressed. And that is something that Campbell and Bettman should be pushing. 4 or 5 games to a situation like Paille on Sawada. It was a terrible decision and a bad play but the head hit was incidental to the blindside check. But deliberate checks to vulnerable players or deliberately target the head. 10 game minimum and I would take history into account. 15 games for a second instance, 20 games for a third…
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I want to say so
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Mar 4, 2011 7:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I want to say something about the league's standards when it comes to hitting and suspensions...
Except they don’t HAVE a standard. It’s all become a fine mess.
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Mar 4, 2011 7:40 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Thought this reaction might get Stars fans mad because of what just happened with Weber
but those hits are nothing alike. They’re both dangerous and should be suspended, but what Gilles did was criminal. Clutterbuck wasn’t going down (His head was still high) and didn’t even have the puck. It looked he was actually trying to injure him, not just deliver a big hit.
NHL needs to ban the guy after what he just did before. He’s not an enforcer, he’s a talentless fourth-line thug.
I agree somewhat
Gillies did not make a hockey play. If you look at the video, he is in the center faceoff circle moving directly at Clutterbuck, he never adjusted course, he deliberately hunted 22 down and was going to hit him. He was a step away when Clutterbuck made his hit but was at full stride so his defense of the team mate argument was pretty specious to say the least. Weber’s was deliberate due to being frustrated by the Stars forwards all night. Weber could do absolutely nothing to slow down, impede, or stop Jamie Benn. The few opportunities where they were close Benn just pushed Weber aside. But if you watch that video, Weber had an opportunity to pull up and get position but he didn’t. He just adjusted his arms to get Vincour in the back of the head and drive him into the corner. When he is outskilled or outsized, he gets frustrated easily and plays dangerously. He is a skilled guy but if it were my league, that decision on Vincour would have cost the Preds 10 games without their captain. No way to fight for a playoff spot.
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Found this link off Lighthouse Hockey (Isles SB Nation blog)
Just wanted to commend you for a well-argued piece about Trevor Gillies and the sliding scale suspension system in the NHL, not to mention the cacophony of idiocy that the hockey media has become (maybe it always has been?). I don’t expect anyone outside of Islander country to defend Gillies, but it is nice when other fans take notice of nonsense that is paraded around as cleaning up the game.
Good job showcasing the Shea Weber hit alongside the Gillies hit. The level of superstar, as well as the sweater the player wears, seems to be the biggest deciding factor in whether an offending player is judged based on outcome or “intent” or action itself.
Hunter said he was just finishing his check.

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