Your All-Time Stars Franchise Team
This is something of a redux of what I've already done here with the All-Time Dallas Stars fanshot, except expanded throughout the entire history of the franchise. I might eventually be interested in spreading this post (localized to each team, of course) to all of the different NHL blogs, so I can get an idea of what educated fans consider to be their "best players", but for now, I'm going to stick with my home team's blog; that way, if I get a poor reception here, I'll know not to waste my time in other, hostile environments. I would have posted this as a fanshot, which I feel is a more appropriate category, but unfortunately it is so long that the formatting was messed up beyond repair, so I decided to go with this for now.
Because of the more universal nature of this post, there's a few extra rules. First of all, and most importantly, there can only be one version of a player at the same time, so you can't have, say, Belfour playing for both Chicago and Dallas; it has to be one or the other. This creates a need for several more rules, to determine which players are eligible for which teams. Here's a few that I think will work fine for our purposes.
Rules for NHL Roster Selections:
#1: The player should be primarily identifiable with the team, like Mike Modano with Dallas, or Mike Bossy with the Islanders. Ideally, most NHL fans should automatically think of this guy playing for the prospective team.
#2: If the player is easily identifiable with more than one team (say, Messier with the Oilers or with the Rangers), he should be given based on who he achieved more team success with.
#3: If he had equivalent amounts of success, he should be selected based on who he was with longer.
#4: If he was with all teams the same or equivalent amounts of time, he should be selected based on who had him first.
#5: The player's skills are assumed to be the peak of the skill they had at the time they were with the team that picked them, not their best ever, regardless of team.
Finally, you should pick 23 NHL players (18 skaters, 2 goalies, and 3 scratches). If you're feeling ambitious, you may also select 27 minor-leaguers (12 of which must have played less than 260 pro games, and 1 of which must have played less than 320 pro games, at the age they were when you picked them up), but this is not a requirement.
Your goal is to pick the best team you can, not the team with the players most associated with the team (although if you can do both, that's a plus). On a St. Louis Blues blog, that might mean something like picking Curtis Joseph over Grant Fuhr.
Examples of Ineligible Stars Players (and why they're ineligible)
Brett Hull - Played mostly with the Blues. He's our guy, but most NHL fans remember him as a Blue.
Guy Carbonneau - Long-time Canadien, came to Dallas near the end of his career.
Brad Richards - Right now can be associated with Tampa Bay almost as much as Dallas, and he won a Cup with the Lightning.
Craig Ludwig - See Guy Carbonneau.
Pat Verbeek - Great Star, but he belongs more in NJ's or maybe Carolina's all-time team.
Mattias Norstrom - See Guy Carbonneau; replace "Canadien" with "King".
Bill Guerin - Played best in Dallas, but hopped from team to team his entire career. Played longest with New Jersey.
Jason Arnott - You know why.
I'll try to post my list below, hopefully soon, as an example of what you might pick. Thanks for reading, and hope you get back to me on this one.
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My first shot at an all-time roster
A question that this automatically brings to mind is whether the player actually had to play on a minor-league team after he was drafted. It makes it easier on us if he needs only be merely eligible to play at a minor-league level, hence the inclusion of Brad Maxwell (even though he played no minor-league games that season). Likewise, Bill Masterson was never drafted, but he would probably qualify for the modern minors (in terms of games played).
ALL-TIME STARS ROSTER (23)
CENTER: (5)
Mike Modano – 1998-99
Neal Broten – 1981-82
Bobby Smith – 1981-82
Dave Gagner – 1990-91
Mike Ribeiro – 2007-08
LEFT WING: (4)
Steve Payne – 1979-80
Brenden Morrow – 2007-08
Jean-Paul Parise – 1969-70
Loui Eriksson – 2010-11
RIGHT WING: (4)
Brian Bellows – 1983-84
Jere Lehtinen – 1998-99
Bill Goldsworthy – 1969-70
Tim Young – 1979-80
DEFENSE: (7)
Derian Hatcher – 2002-03
Sergei Zubov – 2005-06
Richard Matvichuk – 1999-00
Darryl Sydor – 2000-2001
Craig Hartsburg – 1981-92
Curt Giles – 1985-86
Lou Nanne – 1973-74
GOALTENDING:
Ed Belfour – 1999-2000
Cesare Maniago – 1970-71
Roman Turek – 1998-99
Minor-League Roster (25)
CENTER (6)
Bill Masterson – 1967-68
Steve Ott – 2004-05
Tom Wandell – 2010-11
Glen Sharpley – 1975-76
Steve Christoff – 1979-80
Niko Kapanen – 2001-02
LEFT WING: (5)
James Neal – 2007-08
Antti Miettinen – 2003-04
Jamie Benn – 2009-10
Jonathan Sim – 1998-99
Francis Wathier – 2010-11
RIGHT WING: (6)
Loui Eriksson – 2005-06
Jamie Langenbrunner – 1995-96
Grant Marshall – 1994-95
Todd Harvey – 1994-95
Blake Sloan – 1998-99
Krys Barch – 2006-07
DEFENSE: (7)
Nicklas Grossman – 2006-07
Mark Fistric – 2006-07
Trevor Daley – 2003-04
Matt Niskanen – 2006-07
Fred Barrett – 1971-72
Brad Maxwell – 1977-78
Dennis O’Brien – 1969-70
GOALTENDING: (3)
Marty Turco – 1998-99
Richard Bachman – 2010-11
Jon Casey – 1984-85
"I've always considered myself as good (as), or better than Patrick." - Ed Belfour
Most of these guys are major point-scorers.
In fact, the main criteria I used for a lot of these guys (particularly Minnesota players, who I don’t know as well) are points compared to games played. Even without Nieuwendyk or Hull, the first four forward lines are pretty well-stacked.
The defense isn’t quite as much of an “all-time” group — it consists pretty much of the ‘99 defense corps players in their primes, plus two long-time Minnesota players to fill in for Chambers (who I probably would’ve included in the minors if I remembered to) and Ludwig (who’s more of a Montreal candidate).
Don’t get me wrong, the ‘99 defense was great, and logically this version of them should be even more potent, but I’m not sure it’s exactly an all-time defense group, especially when you consider just how stifling an all-time Montreal roster could be.
The goaltending is pretty much the same as usual, with peak Belfour at the top, and Maniago, Turek, and young Turco lined up to fill in if need be.
The minor leagues are loaded with mostly modern players, along with a handful of oldies (mostly guys that proved themselves in the minors). As far as Masterson, I couldn’t justify putting him in the all-time NHL lineup, though I wanted to, but then I saw that he probably hadn’t had enough pro games to disqualify him from the minors, so I threw him in. His life and career were far too short, and I figured that we couldn’t have an all-time lineup without him.
One player notably absent from all of this is Ciccarelli; I left him out mostly for the same reasons I think they should’ve kept him out of the Hall of Fame, personality and off-ice incidents. As a pure scorer, yes, he’s more than qualified, but I thought I could make a great team, to embody the franchise, without having to bring him into it.
"I've always considered myself as good (as), or better than Patrick." - Ed Belfour
Is Richard Bachman the pen name for Kari Lehtonen?
Turco wasn’t the goalie in 98-99, Belfour was.
by Robert L. Bishop on Feb 12, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Oh I see, you're choosing minor leaguers, too.
I’m not sure I understand why.
by Robert L. Bishop on Feb 12, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
My desire was to make a more complete roster.
Like I said, though, if you don’t want to do that section, you don’t have to.
"I've always considered myself as good (as), or better than Patrick." - Ed Belfour
Bachman is seriously one of the best remaining guys I could find. I would’ve put in Turek, and had Moog on the main goalies list, but then I remembered that Moog is probably better remembered as an Oiler or a Bruin, so I slid Turek up and put in Bachman to fill the gap.
"I've always considered myself as good (as), or better than Patrick." - Ed Belfour
I like the idea, but I think maybe you're being too stringent with the "eligibility rules"
What’s wrong with Brett Hull being an all-time Blue and an all-time Star, for example? It’s different when you’ve got a guy who was here for 1 year, but if you want to truly come up with an all-time team I believe you’ve got to relax your restrictions a bit.
by Robert L. Bishop on Feb 12, 2011 11:33 AM CST reply actions
The problem is this.
If you were to actually assemble an all-time roster, through time travel or some other method, having two versions of the same person in one place would destroy the space-time continuum.
Besides, this is derived from a similar all-time goalies list, where it looks very fishy when the same goalies are on multiple different teams… I think even without short-term players like Hull, we can still assemble a perfectly capable roster; he wasn’t at his prime in Dallas anyway, so it isn’t like we can’t get other, long-term players who were as or almost as good in their time here (like Goldsworthy, Ciccarelli, etc.)
Finally, I have to admit that I was thinking about getting the results down in a video game, and having more than one of the same guy in one game wouldn’t feel right.
"I've always considered myself as good (as), or better than Patrick." - Ed Belfour
*Partially derived.
"I've always considered myself as good (as), or better than Patrick." - Ed Belfour
I would have place Cicarelli on there too for pure grit.
The original Holmstrom, he took more shots to the spine than any forward before or since.
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Well, that is, of course, your option. ;-)
Not everyone’s going to have the same opinions about things; if you want to take a shot at making a roster (even if it’s an abbreviated one), you’re entirely free to do it.
"I've always considered myself as good (as), or better than Patrick." - Ed Belfour
No Verbeek? I refuse to take part.
….seriously though, I’ll add my own roster here soon.
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by then I say he will be our crosby lol
all kidding aside I like this idea and when I get a chance will add mine
GET OFF NIEUWENDYK'S NUTS
How're y'all coming along?
I guess the recent losses’ve distracted y’all a bit? ;-)
Of the other NHL blogs in our sphere of influence, which ones would you say are generally the most friendly towards outsiders (and, also, Stars fans)? I am interested in seeing if this can work on another blog, but I don’t want to start out with some place like the St. Louis blog (which struck me as extremely hostile), at least not right away.
The Islanders blog seemed to strike me as being a nice enough place. I also dropped in and made a comment on the Coyotes blog once, and I know that some of the staff there are acquainted with the management here, so it might be easier to break in over there.
"I've always considered myself as good (as), or better than Patrick." - Ed Belfour

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