Dallas Stars Daily Links: The NHL Can't Make Up Its Mind About Charging
You know, I might be less annoyed by the whole Mark Fistric suspension if the NHL's official Twitter didn't rub in it my face how wrong the decision was.
Since Fistric clobbered Nino Niederreiter with a huge hit on Saturday, the league's Twitter feed has given highlight of the night status and glowing reviews to two hits that were equal or more charges.
The first and much more blatant one came Sunday as the Vancouver Canucks took on the Calgary Flames. Here's the league's Tweet.
BOOM! This
@Ryan_Kesler hit will keep you awake today: http://bit.ly/vvmCmx#Canucks
Let me channel Brendan Shanahan here for a second, basically directly quoting his rationale as it applies to this hit. At 10:06 of the first period, Blake Comeau of the Calgary Flames is taking the puck up the boards when Ryan Kesler gets good defensive position on him and throws a body check. Although contact is with the chest, Kesler leaves his feet and launches himself at Comeau. This is charging as defined by rule 42.1. The degree in which Kesler's skates come off the ice is evidence of the dangerous launch.
Those words are right out of Shanahan's mouth as to why the Fistric hit is illegal and they clearly apply to the Kesler hit as well. Personally, I think both are within the bounds of what is currently allowed by the league, and the only material difference is the Niederreitter hit his head on the ice while Comeau did not. Since charging is a penalty of illegal action, not result, Kesler is just as guilty as Fistric given the parameters Shanahan laid out for charging.
The second hit happened Tuesday as Dion Phaneuf of the Toronto Maples Leafs took out Michael Sauer of the New York Rangers.
Here's the league's official reaction.
Phaneuf-ed!
#Leafs Captain's huge hit in last night's 4-2 win over#NYR. http://bit.ly/ulvQvcc#NHL
Now, Phaneuf did not get nearly as much elevation, but careful examination of the video shows he was already launching himself at the moment of impact with one skate already off the ice and the other heading that way. Again, according to the Shanahan explanation, that is charging and suspendable charging at that.
Personally, I think all three hits are basically fine, just like I thought Jack Johnson on Mike Ribeiro was fine. And Shanahan thought three of them were fine but not the fourth when the only material difference was the injury. That type of rationale might fly for boarding, but it's bullhonky for charging, which is all about how the check was delivered.
Make up your mind, NHL league office. Can players leave their feet or not, and what, exactly is the measurement that makes it too high?
After the jump, Mike Heika is also confused, we spin the injury roulette wheel and what does one do with a found Stanley Cup ring? Put it on Craigslist, of course.

- Mike Heika of the Dallas Morning News is similarly confused, and he brings up another good example of a basically unpunished hit that looks as bad or worse as Fistric's. [DallasNews.com]
- In their great wisdom, the NHL has decided that Fistric's first game back should be against... the New York Islanders. Great. Here's their fans' take on the suspension. [Lighthouse Hockey]
- Now, I promise I'm done with all that venting. In much better news, Trevor Daley and Alex Goligoski are definitely in for tonight's game at San Jose and Brenden Morrow is at about 90 percent of where he needs to be. Honestly, I might wait until he's 100 percent before sticking him back in, but it depends on how likely it is that he gets there during the season. Back injuries can be tricky. Just ask Kari Lehtonen. [ESPN Dallas]
- There's no getting around it anymore. Jamie Benn is in a slump, as Heika chronicles in this paywalled story. [DallasNews.com]
- The Stars will definitely need him as they head out on a cross-country five-game road trip. [Fox Sports Southwest]
- We're not supposed to use profanity on this site, so I will let you fill in the blanks. _____ ______ Graham James pleaded guilty to the sexual assault of two players that occurred during his tenure as a coach in junior hockey. [Yahoo]
- Meet the enemy, part the first: Our friends over at Fear The Fin take a deeper look at Tuesday's San Jose Sharks loss. [Fear the Fin]
- Meet the enemy, part the second: Brad Winchester on the Sharks top line? Um, interesting decision. But with the Sharks in a little bit of a slump themselves, their coach is willing to try shaking things up. Also check out the Rob Blake quote where he calls the Fistric hit a good hit. Wait, I promised to stop being angry about that. Bad me. [San Jose Mercury News]
- Around the Pacific Division: This is really a pregame thread from Tuesday's contest between the Los Angeles Kings and Anaheim Ducks. But I couldn't pass up the opportunity to show all the fun they had with Bruce Boudreau, made even funnier by the fact that the Ducks then went out and picked up the first win of the Boudreau era against those Kings. [The Royal Half]
- You can apparently find anything on the Internet these days, including Theo Fleury's Stanley Cup ring. The former Calgary Flame lost his 1989 ring at February's Heritage Classic, and it suddenly turned up on Craigslist in Queensland, Australia, of all places. [Puck Daddy]
- Gulutzan was a chatty boy after Wednesday's practice, hitting on the health of the injured players, who goes back on the power play and so forth. It did take place before the Fistric decision.... and there I go mentioning it again. This is not good for my blood pressure.
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Glad to see Goose/Daley back.
Facebook page of Stars was a sad one when Barch was traded. Many wanted name Daley there, not Barch… Le sigh.
Still not sure why so many hate Daley, but we can talk about that next five years, so no rush. =)
Good times are here and Stars will take what belongs to them. Sooner or Later.
I'm more confused as to why people keep entertaining the thought of a Daley trade
He has a NTC. I also agree that he gets the short end of the stick a lot. He’s done what I’ve expected of him thus far this year.
He's been better than I expected, honestly
He’s doing what I’d hoped he’d do under Crow- particularly joining the rush.
1+.
Good times are here and Stars will take what belongs to them. Sooner or Later.
by Henri Muroke on Dec 8, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
He has no offensive sense and very little defensive sense.
He can’t pass, can’t shoot, isn’t physical. His list of pros starts and ends with his skating. That resigning was a big mistake.
They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
- Benjamin Franklin
by JimCrankshaft on Dec 8, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
I don't understand the Barch love either
Defending Big D Check it out
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"You guys are talking about living forever like it’s a real thing, but I bust out a man shoving his head into a vagina, and it’s srs time?"
--iorange555 8/23/2011
Simple
His effort level and penchant to stand up for teammates. Both things that don’t show up in a box score but endear a player to fans.
He was overpaid
But he stood up for teammates and (usually) wasn’t a liability. He didn’t win a lot of fights, but was quick to drop the gloves to stand up for someone. Every team needs a few guys like that.
I wish Barch the best of luck and honestly, it’s a classy move to let him go to a team where he can get more ice time. The Stars didn’t have to do that. Yet another great move by Joe, IMO.
people like enforcers. they are some of the nicest players
Like i said in another thread, you gotta love a guy that will take an ass kicking on principle.
I've never really felt guilty. I've been FOUND guilty.
by harry wagstaff on Dec 8, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
I really, really don't understand all the Daley hate.
It seems really misguided. He may not be our best player, but he’s not the worst either.
I think
it’s mostly hold over from the past few years when expectations for Daley were still cloudy. He was supposed to be an offensive defenseman, we were told, and people expected points and flash. But I think he’s been solid and has mostly met (reasonable) expectations.
Don't get the Daley hate either.
Any way you look at it he is one of our top three D-men. He is a complete player who covers his off side, which is really hard for a D-man.
I understand people liking Barchies work effort. I like it too. But I was surprised last year we signed him to that contract. There are guys coming up that can provide what he does for a lot less. Not a big hole to fill at all.
Now replacing Daley … that creates all sorts of issues.
I can't believe you didn't even mention the suspension that Fistric got yesterday...
You’re slacking!
Should be interesting to see what kind of retribution the islanders will try to take on fistric. Surely most of them think it was a good hit too? (The players, not the fans)
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
The fans are too busy calling us homers for even questioning the length of the suspension
They don’t let things like, rule books, context, and comparisons to other suspensions get in their way. Thus, proving just how homerish they really are?
Avery would have loved to play with the Rangers this year...but he got STUCK ON AN OIL RIG. -- John Tortorella. (Well, not really)
The problem for Daley...
We have been blessed in Dallas with some pretty good defensemen that have filled all sorts of roles. You want all star skill and good offense, Sergei Zubov; you want physical shut down guy, Derian Hatcher; you want a good all around defensemen, Mattias Norström.
Looking at those names, young defensemen in the Stars organization always get lumped into the shadow of those types of players. Daley is not exception. When people see how he skates and see the flashes of brilliance they think Zubov. Anything less than that and they think failure. The problem is that no one in the system is or is ever going to be Zubov.
I for one like Daley. I think what he gives us is a solid 2nd line d-man, who has great wheels and can jump into the rush from time to time. As he has gotten older the flubs and mistakes are starting to disappear, and his defensive game is coming around to the level needed to match the opposition he is normally put against.
One other thing, anyone who complains about the size of his contract; I am fairly confident that most other teams would have been more than happy to give him that contract.
Even for a 2nd pair D-man, his contract is pretty cheap.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Look around the league.
Daley is a bargain at that contract.
Especially given the speed
And generally, the work ethic
Very good points.
I feel the same way.
Daley’s contract is okay, no problem with that one. I also like the fact that he seems to be in good terms with his role.
Good times are here and Stars will take what belongs to them. Sooner or Later.
by Henri Muroke on Dec 8, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Fistric doesn't play for a Canadian team.
And I can’t believe that Shanahan put the fact that the guy got injured in his reasoning for the suspension video. Then again, I also can’t believe he put the stupid accidental helmet swinging incident in there either.
Kesler’s hit looked almost identical to Fistric’s outside of Comeau not being hurt. What a crock.
The fact that
whether a guy is injured or not plays into whether a guy is suspended enrages me, makes my vision blur. It makes no sense. You can have two plays exactly the same, one guy is hurt, one isn’t. Both are illegal plays. So the one where nobody is hurt, no suspension, the one where a guy does get hurt, suspension? Both plays are charging(or whatever the case may be), both exactly the same. Penalize for doing something wrong, not a guy getting hurt.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Dec 8, 2011 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
Even worse ...
when the guy is not injured there isn’t even a penalty. If he is 3 games?!? How can a non star player make any plays with that kind of uncertainty?
You have to be psychic to read the future to play in the NHL now.
Guaranteed that Kesler nor Phaneuf will be suspended based solely on their star power and who they play for.
And what’s worse is now, anything else that Fistric does will be tacked onto this hit and the stupid accidental helmet thing. For anyone to use that incident to call Fistric a “repeat offender” is short-sighted and ignorant. There should be some sort of separation between incidents occurring during fights and incidents occurring during live play.
by Travis Drybread on Dec 8, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
The Royal Half . . .
should be an embarrassment to every Kings fan. However, they do serve a purpose; they contrast the difference a first-class site like DBD and an amateurish, profanity-filled, grammatically stymied (please, at least learn the difference between “then” and “than”) site like TRH.
Thank you DBD for the good job you do and for making Stars fans proud of you.
And now, for something completely different . . .
I think loomisc summed it up nicely. I would only add that Daley is talented, and still young. If he ever gets the confidence he’s lacking in his offensive abilities, he’s going to be a force from the blue line.
And, my two cents on the Fistric shenanigans. Maybe Brendan Shenanigan, opps, Shanahan should suspend himself. He is supposed to be VP of Player Safety yet he allows helmets that don’t protect. If you are going to require helmets, at least make them capable of protecting the head from a fall of 6 feet!
A concussion from a fall like that is internal, not external. The helmet doesn't really factor in beyond basic protection.
It’s his brain slamming into the inside of his skull that causes the damage. The only way to prevent that would be to drastically reduce how quickly his head stopped moving, and that’s not really possible.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
I'm certainly no doctor . . .
but I did play one in a high school play.
That last paragraph was intended to be tounge-in-cheek. Guess I better not quit my day job! (Wait, I don’t have a day job!! Oops!!)
However, according to the National Association of Atheletic Trainers, properly designed and constructed helmets DO reduce the quantity and severity of concussions.
I'm not saying they don't...
But I think this is one of those cases where he would’ve been hurt whether he was wearing an NHL helmet or an NFL helmet. Generally, I think the helmets offer better protection for horizontal impact. When you have vertical impact, gravity usually proves to be a bit too much for any helmet. Of course, I’m no doctor either, so what do I know.
And sorry about missing the tongue in cheek humor… just the nature of internet postings I suppose :-)
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Yes, Cowepokealong, The Royal Half is an embarrassment to every Kings fan. But that doesn’t change the fact that the misuse of “then” vs “than” that you pointed out was actually a direct quote from the contributor at Pensblog speaking about Boudreau. So I believe your grammatical beef is with them.
What you, Cowpokealong, should really be upset about is the Dallas Stars attendance joke I made in the Game Recap the next day. It was nothing but amateurish for sure!
http://www.theroyalhalf.com/2011-articles/december/trh-recap-27-freeway-face-palm.html
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by The Royal Half on Dec 8, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
lol
Hey now, don’t make fun of our attendance. We had a terrible owner that kept us from winning.
Make fun of it next year, if it’s still the same way :-)
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Glad to hear that Gully is going to give Bachman a start
I know he’s played up here at least once before, but it’ll be cool to see what he’s got.
Don't expect to much
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--iorange555 8/23/2011
So by the current suspension rationale...
If you trip someone then they fall and hit their head it’s gonna be a suspension just so we can remain consistent?
Very poor job in trying to crack down on charging.
The Kesler and Pheanuef hits are bad
But this one by Comeau on Hillen was the exact same hit as Fistrics. And it was on the “Top 10 Hits of the Week” on one of the broadcasts last night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YNmlYAK5gc
So, concussion = suspension. No concussion = highlight reel. Thanks for the consistency NHL. that’s like police saying you can rob a bank as long as you only take half the money.
More like police saying you can rob someone, just don't hurt them
by PrussianBlue on Dec 8, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Or you can rob and shoot someone
As long as the bullet doesn’t directly kill them. If it happens to hit them and they can continue to serve you Slurpees, it’s fine.

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