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Mark Fistric Suspended & Krys Barch Traded: Final Thoughts On A Busy day

I wanted to pass along some final thoughts on today's Dallas Stars news, then we can all move along and focus on the upcoming game against the San Jose Sharks tomorrow night. This is what happens when we have four days off between games -- we get all worked up with no where to go.

Krys Barch traded to Florida Panthers for CHL player and 5th round draft pick.

The news that Barch was traded came down at the exact same time as the Fistric suspension announcement and was lost in the shuffle a bit. Barch was traded to the Florida Panthers today, along with a 2012 6th round draft pick, in exchange for Jake Hauswirth and a 5th round pick in 2012. Hauswirth will never see time in the NHL so basically this was a swap of a 6th and 5th round pick.

Barch came to the Stars as a free agent in the summer of 2006. Originally drafted by Washington in 1998, Barch had never seen time above the AHL level before coming to Dallas and he immediately made it clear how he would earn his ice time. Perhaps most famous for his pitched battles against Brad May, some of which were epic fights that lasted for minutes, Barch was the guy on the team willing to drop his gloves and spark something for his teammates.

Unfortunately, he isn't the greatest fighter and while he was serviceable on the ice, it was going to be very hard for him to live up to the $1.675 million contract he got from the Stars last summer. He received less and less minutes and this season, with the Stars adding guys like Jake Dowell and Tomas Vincour becoming a regular, Barch just wasn't getting the minutes he wanted.

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Joe Nieuwendyk hinted today that this trade was asked for by Barch, telling Mike Heika, "It was done quite frankly to accommodate Krys and his wishes to be a more regular player. He's been a good soldier and a warrior for us, but where we are going, he's not getting the minutes he wants. So this will hopefully help him."

There was speculation that the Stars did this trade to make room for Vincour once Burish was healthy, especially considering how no one wants to break up the Eric Nystrom line. In reality, this was likely more about giving a good guy in the locker room the chance to get minutes in the NHL with another team since he likely wasn't going to see many in the future with the Stars.

There's a chance that once everyone is healthy, Vincour heads back to the AHL. He still has many, many games before he has to go through waivers and he needs significant minutes, not 6 minutes a game on the fourth line.

It's sad to see a guy like Barch go, who always got a bit too much hate from Stars fans for only doing what he knew how to do best. He was a great guy to have in the locker room and was a stellar role model to have for the younger guys. It's said that when Benn first came to the NHL, he was put under Barch's wing so that he could learn what it took to be an NHL player.

Good luck in Florida, Mr. Barch. You've always been a friend of the site and we'll miss having you around.

Mark Fistric suspended three games for Nino Niederreiter hit.

Just like I knew it would, the decision to suspend Fistric for three games by Brenden Shanahan has been met with cries of outrage, frustration and anger by Dallas Stars. Even Mike Heika was left a bit speechless, saying "will never comment on a hit again, because I have no idea what the league is thinking."

I feel a bit of the same mind as Heika about this suspension.

My thoughts on this hit are well known. I did my best not to get into endless debate about it as I was more curious to see how the NHL and Shanahan would view it. I said that I would respect his decision in whatever punishment was or wasn't handed down and I do.

That doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

This hit has been dissected like the NHL version of the Zapruder film, with fans going frame by frame to determine at what moment Fistric actually left his feet, with physics calculations being applied to try and figure whether it was his own conscious momentum or whether it was natural momentum from the hit that made his feet leave the ice. Shanahan feels that while hits in hockey do naturally result in the skates leaving the ice, he felt in this case it was a bit excessive and fell under the NHL's charging rule and thus a three game suspension was warranted.

This is where my issue with the decision lies -- three games, for a hit where only charging is the issue but not a hit to the head. While Islanders fans will never say otherwise, it was clearly a violent shoulder-to-shoulder hit that unfortunately resulted in Niederreiter's head hitting the ice and resulting in a concussion. If a hit to the head were under question here, then I could understand the ruling.

When it's solely about charging -- and not even blatant "he launched himself straight up into the nostrils of his opponent" charging -- then I have trouble trying to determine why this was three games yet Jordin Tootoo only gets two, for throwing his elbows into a goaltender.

The underlying issue here is the fact that Nino Niederreiter - a young and extremely talented winger for the Islanders and a first-round pick - was concussed on the play. While a hit to the head was not discussed by Shanahan, I have no doubt that were Niederreiter just fine and did not hit his head on the ice, this play would not have been dissected like it was.

The NHL, and other sports leagues, talk the talk about cracking down on head injuries and dangerous hits to the head. The result of this is that hits that mainly result in injury -- and not those that do not -- are the ones that are most scrutinized. Take for example the Luke Schenn on Tomas Vincour hit; if Vincour had a) been a prized and skilled winger and b) had his jaw disolated by Schenn's elbow, I guarantee you that the NHL would have taken a good hard look at that hit.

Instead, Vincour was able to shake off the hit and come back a few shifts later. Is that because the hit was indeed legal or was it just luck that Vincour was not seriously injured? That doesn't make the hit any less legal in our eyes but right now, when so much focus is on head injuries, the NHL is going to crack down on hits that result in concussions.

I also feel that the onus needs to be on the other player as well. If Niederreiter had not had his eyes glued to the puck (something they teach you not to do in bantam) then I think he would have better braced himself for a hit he should have seen coming. It wasn't a blindside hit.

Technically, is Mark Fistric's hit charging? Yes. Without the officials calling it on the ice, I could understand a one-game suspension for making up for the no-call. Three games, however, is extraordinarily excessive, especially when considering the fact that not one time in Shanahan's explanation was a hit to the head or a high hit even mentioned. Instead, this was all about charging and the fact it took several slow motion replays just to determine how much and when he left his feet just sings to me "overkill".

It should be noted, however, that this is a season of the NHL setting precedence. Fistric is very likely a victim of that precedence and we cannot judge this hit and this suspension against those that have come in previous seasons.

But what does this mean for big hits in the NHL? Does this mean that players can continue to get away with not keeping their head up when charging along the boards through the neutral zone, since now it's illegal to place a big check in that situation. Does this mean that every exploding, big hockey check? Is the NHL really going to be that tough on big hits or only on the ones that result in injury?

Finally, I present to you this...not the Schenn on Vincour hit, but Jack Johnson destroying Mike Ribeiro.

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I wonder what would have happened if Ribeiro had suffered a concussion, and not been fine after feeling a bit woozy after the hit? This happens all the time in the NHL and I'm not saying there is some conspiracy against the Stars -- what I'm saying is that if the NHL is intent on punishing these types of hits then it needs to do so consistently and not wait for a concussion to make them actually take notice and do something.

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5th round pick.....

That’s technically our first rounder!! Wish Barchy all the best a great teammate and leader.

by coolcolin09 on Dec 7, 2011 2:40 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

:-)

"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil

by Tsudbury on Dec 7, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

you make a fair argument.

had Vincour been a prized pick and suffered a concussion, would Luke Schenn be sitting out right now?

I fear the inequity of these suspensions moving forward. I understand the League (and Shanny) wants to send a message to players to be more careful… but, Defensemen make their money on defensive ability. If they can’t grab a player that’s trying to squeeze by, and they can’t physically alter an opponents desire to cruise by with his head down, then what the eff CAN a defenseman do to deter the opponent from entering his zone?

I’m all for player safety. It’s disgusting to see what happens to players suffering from brain injuries and the League (as well as NFL) is definitely afraid of long term effects and their lack of oversight up to this season… but, these judgement calls are lacking in consistency and merit.

Is this job doable with one man? do we need a 3-man board? Can Shanny keep up with the pace of these calls? Will we see more or less violations? Will players actually heed these suspensions and change the way they play the game? Will COACHES instruct differently?

I have… a lot of questions.

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by graylikethecolor on Dec 7, 2011 2:45 PM CST reply actions  

I think it's a long process given where they came from last season...

it takes time to get things in order. Generally, I think he’s doing a good job, but there’s still a long way to go.

"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil

by Tsudbury on Dec 7, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree that he's been much better than Campbell

But stuff like this just gets on my nerves. Basically, Shanny’s saying that Fistric’s hit was just as bad as Stewart’s on Kronwall from a month ago. A game would have fine, but it just doesn’t seem consistent enough yet. Maybe a three man committee would help on that front…

If the laws of physics no longer apply in the future, God help you.

by Virginian Star on Dec 7, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't have a problem with a 3 man committee...

especially given the rise in suspensions handed out. And I agree that 3 games seems a little harsh. But I won’t let my disagreement with this one call ruin my opinion of how well Shanny has done this year. And as long as he keeps posting video explanations, I’ll respect his opinion, even if I disagree with it.

"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil

by Tsudbury on Dec 7, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

THIS ^^^

can’t agree more. the transparency is key. if they want to be serious about making these changes, they must show transparency. and they are. it might be a tough pill to swallow, but at least they’re explaining it.

MUCH better than when Campbell was at the helm.

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by graylikethecolor on Dec 7, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Seriously.

I haven’t agreed with every call. I haven’t agreed with half the penalties handed out. But I love that they’re showing us exactly how they came to the decision.

by WingnutInStarsCountry on Dec 7, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Touche

At least we can understand why Shanny makes these calls. Now if only I could agree with him more often

If the laws of physics no longer apply in the future, God help you.

by Virginian Star on Dec 7, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

This has idea has Merit. A 3 man committee on all Suspensions, One guy appointed by the League, ie Shanny, one guy Elected by NHLPA (ie a retired player), and allow the gm’s to select someone for the third. I’m sure Shanny isn’t the only voice on these suspensions, but I do think the players need a stronger voice in these decisions since the heavy weight of prior suspensions will be factored in. I hope these suspensions become a Sticking point in labor negotiations

by beepeearr on Dec 8, 2011 1:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Good luck in Florida Barchy

I know I made fun of you every now and then, but you were really a great character on our team at the end of day. Have fun flying to and from Canada next season (I’m still confused about that Conference alignment).

If the laws of physics no longer apply in the future, God help you.

by Virginian Star on Dec 7, 2011 2:51 PM CST reply actions  

I hope Barch will gets minutes in Florida. He always did what he could.

Not fan of this Fistric suspension, but it is, what it is. It’s good thing that Goligoski and Daley are returning.

Good times are here and Stars will take what belongs to them. Sooner or Later.

by Henri Muroke on Dec 7, 2011 3:38 PM CST reply actions  

I think I'm going to miss Barch more than my brain says I should.

Can’t get over how sad I am by this. Don’t misunderstand me here, I’m not all broken up or anything, just more bummed than I thought I would be over a 4th liner that was often a healthy scratch.
I just keep thinking back to a game last year where we were behind and the guys were playing like they just wanted to move on to the next one. Barchy started a fight then afterwards turned to the bench and let out this mad sort of war-cry along with a crazy look (similar to Nystrom’s expression after he scores a goal but more driven by anger). I was sitting right behind the bench so I got a close up look at everything and was just so impressed by what Barch was trying to do for the team. He was almost mad at them as if to say “Come on! We all need to find a way to care about this game- right now!”
We may have still lost that game, but everyone played to the buzzer at least after that moment, and that is how I will remember Krys Barch.

by Margot Loren on Dec 7, 2011 3:43 PM CST reply actions  

At least the Goose is back tomorrow...

…that helps lessen the blow of losing Fistric. After watching the hit again and watching Shanny’s video, my main problem is the focus on how high Fistric ends up being during the hit. When he initiates the hit, his blades are right at the ice, maybe just off of it. If he was as high as he was at the end of the hit at the start of the hit, I can see 3 games. But as it is, thats a pretty stiff sentence. Also, really Shanny? You want to take into account his fine for inadvertently hitting his new buddy Nystrom with his helmet during a fight? Weak.

Let's be honest, I don't really care if he forgets to pay for jewels (who doesn't?), as long as he keeps dazzling on the field.

by Deztiny's Child on Dec 7, 2011 4:25 PM CST reply actions  

"the blow of losing Fistric"

Who would of thought that would be said?

by Why on Dec 7, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions  

True enough, he's been surprisingly dependable.

Also gives us more time to figure out what to do with Phil “Great Dane” Larsen.

Let's be honest, I don't really care if he forgets to pay for jewels (who doesn't?), as long as he keeps dazzling on the field.

by Deztiny's Child on Dec 7, 2011 7:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree wholeheartedly.

I was composing a similar argument on the other post probably at the moment you were writing this. Fistric didn’t leave his feet until after the initial point of contact. Nino leans back before the hit which is the main reason Fistric hits him high. Is any charge that results in a concussion a suspendible offense? A two minute penalty in a game does not warrant a three game suspension. It’s overkill. Tootoo bowled over Miller and only got two games and there’s no way this hit was worse.

Avery would have loved to play with the Rangers this year...but he got STUCK ON AN OIL RIG. -- John Tortorella. (Well, not really)

by EagleBelf on Dec 7, 2011 5:10 PM CST reply actions  

Agree wholeheartedly

Charging is AT MOST a 5 minute major and game misconduct (if this was called it would’ve more likely been a double minor, I think). How the heck does a penalty that’s normally an ejection at maximum turn into a 3-game suspension?
If they want to start suspending players who cause concussions (that’s obviously what happened here), they need to write it into the rules.

by Uncle Mo's Family Feedbag on Dec 7, 2011 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

that suspension is bullsh

and im happy for a 5th for barch

GET OFF NIEUWENDYK'S NUTS

by 8thegreat on Dec 7, 2011 6:29 PM CST reply actions  

Ribiero got an assist on game winning goal

……while getting wiped out by Johnsen. Those actions cancel each other out according to Rule 48 fine print, which is now called the Ribeiro caveat. And quickly written in pencil 10 seconds after the hit happened.

by cajun_kowboy on Dec 7, 2011 10:24 PM CST reply actions  

Getting a 5th rounder for Barch is much higher than I would've expected

Do the Panthers need an enforcer-type? He will be missed, even if he’s not the best fighter in the world, no one could question whether he was bringing his all for the Stars.

by Uncle Mo's Family Feedbag on Dec 7, 2011 10:41 PM CST reply actions  

To be fair,

it was only an upgrade from a 6th to a 5th.

Good luck Barchie.

by 1paniolo on Dec 8, 2011 7:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I liked Barch

But I always wanted to see Tommy or Petey dressed instead of him when they were scratched.
He brought great heart, and I wish him the best.
But important question…..

What about Barch Badness? :(

Who is gonna join Otter in the month long promotion with his name?

by Waywardstars on Dec 8, 2011 6:06 PM CST reply actions  

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