Mark Fistric Suspended Three Games For Charging Nino Niederreiter
by Brad Gardner on Dec 7, 2011 12:56 PM CST
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PrintMark Fistric has been suspended by the National Hockey League for three games for charging into New York Islander rookie Nino Niederreiter.
Fistric had a phone hearing with Brendan Shanahan yesterday afternoon that lasted, according to the DMN, over 40 minutes. The decision was released today along with the explanation video. Dallas will get Trevor Daley and Alex Goligoski back from injury tomorrow night in San Jose, which covers them for the loss of Fistric in the lineup.
In the video Shanahan says "Mark Fistric left his feet and launched upward into Islander forward Nino Niederreiter." He then quotes the NHL rule book on charging. "A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who skates or jumps into, or charges an opponent in any manner. [Rule 42.1 - Charging]"
"Fistric leaves his feet and launches himself into Niederreiter. Although no call was made on the ice, this is charging."
"While we acknowlege that on many big body checks the hitters feet will sometimes come off the ice to a certain degree due to the follow through of the collision, we felt that the degree to which Fistric's skate come off the ice was evidence of his dangerous launch."
It's hard to comment on these things due to the apparent inconsistency of enforcement. By the calculations of some, this suspension implies that Niklas Kronwall has approximately 312 games of built up suspension time coming to him for the degree to which his skates leave the ice frequently and habitually for years as "evidence of his dangerous launches". Mike Heika had a good entry yesterday featuring the plethora of hits made on Stars players that have gone unpunished. This is just part of life in the NHL and we'll look past it because we must, and forward to the next game.
As some readers are already pointing out, this is a season where precedents are being reset to a certain degree, so it's hard to look back. We can only hope that greater consistency is applied moving forward.
The full video from the league with the explanation is after the jump...
Full press release:
NEW YORK (December 7, 2011) - Dallas Stars defenseman Mark Fistric has been suspended, without pay, for three games for charging New York Islanders forward Nino Niederreiter during NHL Game #381 in Dallas on Saturday, Dec. 3, the National Hockey League's Department of Player Safety announced today.
Under the terms of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, and based on his average annual salary, Fistric will forfeit $16,216.23. The money goes to the Players' Emergency Assistance Fund.
The incident occurred at 6:08 of the first period. No penalty was assessed on the play.
Fistric will miss games Dec. 8 at San Jose, Dec. 10 at Los Angeles and Dec. 13 at the New York Rangers. He will be eligible to return Dec. 15 at the New York Islanders.
For a full explanation of the decision, complete with video, please click on the following link: http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=60&id=140502.
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season of precedence
tough to say “BUT LAST YEAR” when they’re trying to make changes.
i guess we can only complain on actions moving forward?
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by graylikethecolor on Dec 7, 2011 12:28 PM CST reply actions
Rediculous fistric only got suspended cause nino got a concussion
by can we get hatcher back on Dec 7, 2011 12:31 PM CST reply actions
Although I think it was an illegal hit I agree
Just like the NHL say they seem to judge the result more than the act itself.
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 7, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
I meant NFL
"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."
by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Dec 7, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Just saw that
So are we gonna keep Vincour up here or what is that gonna do?
I have an ongoing love affair with Tom Wandell, but it's not gay at all, trust me
We'll hit this in a bit
But… no, not necessarily.
With Burish getting healthy they’d still have an extra body for 4th line even without Vincour up here.
by Brad Gardner on Dec 7, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
About time.
Barch was the NHL equivalent of Kwame Brown.
I have an ongoing love affair with Tom Wandell, but it's not gay at all, trust me
That and some guy named Jake Hauswirth.
Honestly have never heard that name in my life before 5 minutes ago.
I have an ongoing love affair with Tom Wandell, but it's not gay at all, trust me
Hauswirth
doesn’t sound like he’s an NHL level player - or at least has a ways to go before he’d get there. So it looks like we’re making room on the roster — and we have Godard who could take over Barch’s role.
It's like Christmas in Dec...
Wait that didn’t sound right.
WE GOT A 5th ROUND PICK FOR HIM
by can we get hatcher back on Dec 7, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Well, we gave them 6th, so its a wash really.
Though, if this 5th rounder ends up being another Benn, I’m cool with that.
It's a plot to stack up on 5th rounders
And by the end of the season we will have ALL 5th round picks. Then we become a dynasty.
How does 3 games match up against other suspensions this year?
Just out of curiosity, I wonder how many games Rule 48 offenders have received. If it’s 3 or less, this is a bit ridiculous as you’re essentially saying a charge is more or equally severe than a blatant hit to the head.
I also wonder if he still would have gotten suspended had there been a penalty on the play.
Oh well; let’s see if Kronwall gets anything over the rest of the year.
3 games!?
I agree with Heika’s sentiment, I just don’t understand the league’s interpretation. The basis of their decision is he charged and left his feet… but the only distinction between a charge and a bodycheck is the height of his feet after contact….!? Fistric’s feet obviously come off the ice and his body elevates. We can agree on that. But it seems to me that it’s more probable that this was caused by the momentum of the contact with Niederreiter. Am I crazy to think that If he left his feet intentionally to hit him high, his feet would have been off the ice BEFORE contact!?
It’s certainly unfortunate that there was an injury on the play (which looks to be caused by the ice), but that’s not pertinent for judging Fistric’s intent. I think this is a poor decision.
Not necessarily
Fistric is already on his toes by the time he makes contact with Nino meaning he was already in an upward trajectory prior to the hit.
After looking at the hit a few more times as well as the Schenn hit on Vincour, I’m convinced the only major difference is that Vincour wasn’t injured. Schenn’s feet clearly leave the ice in the same manner as Fistric’s, albiet perhaps they don’t get as high in the end. That can also be attributed to the size difference between Vincour and Nino though. I’m more pissed that Schenn go nothing on the play than the fact Fistric got 3 games.
I'm biased, of course,
but Shanny is so inconsistent is makes me laugh when I see BS like this. He suspends Fistric for a shoulder to shoulder, no elbow, no head targeted, good hockey hit, yet he doesn’t’ even look at Schenn’s hit on Vincour which clearly targeted his head, elbow extended, but luckily for Vinny resulted in no injury. How is that fair? Its not, and it is BS. I’m ok with Fistric getting suspended, but be consistent Mr. Shanahan, or GTFO.
Shanny hates the Stars
I think this fact is known, if not before then it is now. He sounded like he almost wanted to pin Fistric with even more if you listen to the video where he goes on about the previous altercation. I am amazed that the league is so East Coast biased, wonder what they will do when they get all split up next season.
by Lance Walker on Dec 7, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
You can see the bias
you can see the bias in how they split the conferences. If it was done purely on travel distance and NOT on East coast favoritism, TB and FLA would not have to travel BEYOND another conference to get to their games. Gotta keep all of those expensive “sexy” teams happy though. Sorry I’m just a bit ticked, I try not to be blatantly biased or one sided in arguments.
So...coincidence that the 3 games makes Fistric eligible to return against the Islanders?
by WingnutInStarsCountry on Dec 7, 2011 12:48 PM CST reply actions
lol probably...
I honestly thought it was a suspendable hit for the reasons he listed in the video. I didn’t think it was worth 3 games though. But since Fistric is a repeat offender (paid a fine once), that’ll happen.
I think people need to calm down aboutt he “conspiracy against the stars” business. That’s a load of bull, and doesn’t give any credence to your argument. On the other hand, if you want to argue about punishment due to severity of injury, then you have my vote. The suspensions are still far too reactionary for my tastes.
As for Shanahan being so inconsistent, have you guys forgotten who was in charge before? Shanny is doing a way better job than his predecessor. Yeah, some calls will be missed, but he’s a far cry better than Campbell. Does that mean he’s perfect? Absolutely not. But he’s better than what we used to have.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Oh, I agree that Shanny is doing 1,000 times better than Campbell.
I’ve argued all season that he’s far more consistent than anything we’ve seen before.
I’m fine with there being a suspension, even if there wasn’t one on Schenn (though they were very, very similar), and I’m not saying there’s a conspiracy against the Stars.
My only beef with this is that the suspension lifts right at the moment that they’ll go play the Islanders, who have a recent history of seeking retribution.
by WingnutInStarsCountry on Dec 7, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry, wasn't directing that straight at you.
just the “probably” comment. After that, it was a general rant about everyone hating on Shanny.
I would love it if the calls came a little more consistently, and not just based on injury, but it’s a long process. He’s already done a lot to clean up the game quite a bit.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
It's cool. :)
And yeah, it is a process. Made far more difficult by the inconsistencies of the past.
I don’t think the injuries should play into the punishment, but clearly the Shannahan regimen has decided that they will be a factor, so there you go.
Stinks for the players, though, because they aren’t (usually) trying to hurt a guy. Sometimes that happens, though, and it is impossible for them to know if a hit is going to be “okay” since there was no injury, or “illegal” if there is an injury.
But that is neither here nor there.
by WingnutInStarsCountry on Dec 7, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
Better? Depends On How You Look At It
Yes Shanny makes videos and is more charismatic than Campbell, but when it is all said and done it is still the same for the Stars. We get BS suspensions while everyone else is free to take runs at us all day.This isn’t a conspiracy argument about the intent of these calls or non calls, this is just an observation of watching the Stars for the last few years and seeing how these things go for the Stars. I don’t care if there is a huge conspiracy or if everyone is just incompetent; all I know is the inconsistency has only been hurting the Stars lately and the NHL Wheel of Justice is no friend to Dallas.
You said it's not a conspiracy...
Yet that entire paragraph reeks of it.
Despite how you feel, all teams get good and bad calls. That’s the nature of sports. It’s not just Dallas, and it’s not just Vancouver, and it’s not just Detroit….everyone has their share over time. We only notice ours more, because this is the team we mainly pay attention to.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
You think Shanny is being charismatic on his videos?
This might be a chasm too deep for the two of us to cross. LOL.
I’m sorry, but I just don’t see this “inconsistency” that has “only been hurting the stars lately.” I see a consistent pattern starting to take shape in how various calls are going to be made by Shannahan and his department. In fact, if someone is tracking all of the fines and suspensions this year, I’d bet we could see a distinct pattern emerging.
He’s taking a stand against plays that he feels are endangering the players more than the rules allow for, he’s factoring in a history of fines and suspensions, and he’s factoring in whether an injury occurred on the play. To me, that is a consistency that was sorely lacking under Campbell. Not only that, but he’s giving us video explanations of how each of these matters played into the ultimate decision.
No one is out to get the Stars.
by WingnutInStarsCountry on Dec 7, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Especially considering that this is the first suspension the stars have had
while other teams have had several. Hardly hurting the stars when all other teams have had suspensions except for us up to this point.
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A Little Context
I meant he is more charismatic than Campbell, which is not saying much necessarily. The inconsistency hurting the Stars I am talking about spans the last few years, not just this one. Now I know this is Shanny’s first year at the wheel, but I am arguing that nothing has changed, so…
Player endangerment, disciplinary history, and injury result do not matter when the hit is legal. And when you let any of those threee factors supercede the most important factor legallity then it ceases to be justice and more reflects vigilantism and subjective and emotional reactions (Imagine if our justice was decided by the emotive media and not by objective judges).Our country’s justice is (supposed to be) based on intent or legality. That is why we have Good Samaritan Laws to protect well intentioned people from being sued from unintended damge or harm. Also you have to actually break a law to be charged with a crime. Ambiguosly interpretting a law so you can charge someone with a crime because he deserves it or it should have been a crime isn’t justice, but far from it. If a rich guy gets off for a crime that some poor guy got 25 years for or a celebrity gets a slap on the wrist because of their status, everyone is up in arms about the injustice and inequality. How is this any different than the unequal justice doled out between popular and unpopular players. Maybe we are just spolied in America and expect real “justice” when people loosely tack this word on their decision processes.
lol 3 games.....what a joke.
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That gorilla probably weighs what 800 pounds?
How can these rulings be anything but inconsistent? We’re talking about a sport where large men glide around on ice with sharpened blades and sticks hurling a piece of frozen vulcanized rubber at incredibly fast speeds. Oh yeah they also occasionally break out in fist fights. Rules governing sanctioned violence can only be enforced sporadically. The rules themselves are kind of absurd when viewed within the context of what is permitted in the game. Think about all the chippy stuff that almost never gets called. I don’t think its fair to judge this ruling by all the hits thrown on us which went unpunished. Shabby has to go by the rulebook and they aren’t going catch everything.
What the Puck?
by DirtyBrotenScoundrel on Dec 7, 2011 12:53 PM CST via mobile reply actions
*Shanny not Shabby, although many here probably think he’s doing a shabby job today.
What the Puck?
by DirtyBrotenScoundrel on Dec 7, 2011 12:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I guess you and I are the only ones on the same page.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Is it just me?
Or is it “shock and awe” day for Dallas Stars Fans?
A suspension after a questionable hit and a league interview, followed by a trade of a 4th liner/healthy scratch?
That’s hardly shock & awe for me.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Well when you put it like that, no.
But still just don’t see the need for the Barch trade at the moment. Certianly don’t want Vincour playing 4th line minutes when he could be tearing it up in Austin and learning from it. Even if it’s to make room for Burish when he is back, it’s still an fit to keep Vincour up here since he either has to be 2nd or 4th line probably (don’t want to mess with that 3rd line chemistry). It just strikes me as odd, but I’m sure Joe has his reasons for doing it now.
by Margot Loren on Dec 7, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
the need is:
flipped a 6th rounder for a 5th rounder.
opens up a spot for Vincour.
i will miss Barch, but i like the move.
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by graylikethecolor on Dec 7, 2011 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
5th rounder is acceptable
but I’m not sold on the idea of the spot for Vincour. Once Morrow’s in, he’s got no spot on the second line, and it’s a waste to have him on the 4th if he’s only going to get a few minutes a night.
Agreed. And I wouldn't want to mess with the 3rd line right now, based on how well they're doing.
I’d expect him to go to 4th line for a game or 2, but probably wind up back down in Austin after that. He needs all the playing time he can get, and with a healthy lineup, Austin is the only place he’ll get it.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
It does come as a bit of a surprise... it'll be interesting to see what they do with Vincour once everyone is healthy.
But we had a plethora of forwards who are doing there job well right now, Barch isn’t really a necessity on this team that he was a year or two ago. We have more skilled players than we used to. (Don’t get me wrong, I love the guy and his work ethic, but he’s not an unbelievable player.)
It clears up some budget (admittedly not an issue anymore), bumps up a draft pick (Joe loves that), clears the roster a bit for when everyone gets healthy, AND if there’s a bigger trade coming.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
This.
Yup.
What the Puck?
by DirtyBrotenScoundrel on Dec 7, 2011 1:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed.
Valid points. As long as they don’t trade Ott, bigger trade would be nice. =)
Good times are here and Stars will take what belongs to them. Sooner or Later.
There is no conspiracy against the Stars
I don’t want us to get ropes into that. Makes us sound like the worst Red Wings fans.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 7, 2011 12:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Especially...
…after Bettman helped the Stars get out of the Pacific Division earlier this week.
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Hallelujah for that.
Never thought I’d like Bettman for anything. I was wrong.
by WingnutInStarsCountry on Dec 7, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
Truth.
I don’t think the league cares about us enough to conspire against us haha
by Yourethebestbellows on Dec 7, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
NHL Wheel of (In)Justice
3 Games? The NHL Wheel of Justice is alive and strong even with Shanny at the helm. So Fistric’s hit as a first time offender was SO BAD it warranted mores games than repeat offender Tootoo’s obvious run at a goalie? What about that Schenn on Vincour hit which by the rulebook was significantly worse? Look at all other 3 game suspensions this year and tell me what makes Fistric’s hit as bad as these? What is it with the NHL taking respectable former NHL players and turning them into mindless and hated suits? Shanny was a well respected player, now he is just a tool.
Fistric isn't a first time offender
He was fined for a hit on Johan Franzen in January of 2010.
I don’t necessarily agree with the length of the suspension, but I can understand Shanahan’s reasoning. I also like that unlike his predecessor, he takes the time to explain the reasoning behind his decisions.
Our only hope, since it appears that some standard resetting is occurring this year which is frustrating in light of the hits Heika referred to yesterday, is that he continues to maintain this kind of consistency in doling out punishment.
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Repeat Offender
I thought after a year of no suspensions or fines it wasn’t considered “repeat” status anymore. If it isn’t a year then how long is it?
I don't think there's a one year rule applies
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Shanny's openly said he ignores that
by can we get hatcher back on Dec 7, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
Well If This True
Then the players really need to stand up for themselves against these BS calls because it then becomes a permenant mark on their record that can be used against at any point from the way y’all make it sound. If I was falsely convicted of a crime that I didn’t do and having this on my criminal record would impede me from doing my job, I would fight it with my life, because that is what is at stake.
The problem is degree of injury plays a factor in the final decision, as well as the penalty type.
Shots like the one fistric gave are naturally going to get more attention because A) It resulted in an a=injury, and B) it was more dangerous concussion-wise than Tootoo’s run at the goalie.
Doesn’t mean that’s right, but it’s just the way things are. Personally, I think it was a good call. I just wish some other calls had been made on hits against the Stars this year, but they didn’t result in serious injury, so they didn’t get the attention that they probably deserved. Regardless, things are far more consistent now than they were 1 year ago. It takes time to go from a completely broken and arbitrary punishment system to one that is perfect — especially with the amount of legal violence that is in the sport.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
I don't know that I agree that Fistric's hit was more dangerous than Tootoo's.
Miller had just come back from a concussion on an almost identical hit. Tootoo is driving to the net and to me it seems like he’s intent on hitting Miller. He has options to minimize or possibly even avoid the hit completely.
Fistric is going in for a big hit but he’s leaning forward. Nino sees him and leans back and winds up in a vulnerable position as a result. While Fistric leaves his feet it’s only after the initial contact. If you freeze frame it at any angle neither skate is completely off the ground at the point of contact. His right heel is up but that’s it. Was he driving up into the hit? Yes. Is it charging? I think you can make the case that his follow through was a “launch” and could be considered charging. Should it have been suspendable? I don’t know. Are we suspending people for concussions as a result of any penalty? Should we on some and not others? If you trip a person and his head hits the ice and gets a concussion is that suspendable? I think Nino’s position should be taken into account. Also if you watch it in real time Fistric doesn’t really seem to get that far off the ground. In slow motion it looks like he’s Harry freakin’ Potter flying on his broomstick. Either way, I definitely don’t agree on three games though. If it’s called in the game it’s a two minute penalty. There’s no intent to injure here or even intent to hit Nino in the head. Does a two minute penalty equal three games if it results in a concussion? If it had been called in the game would Fistric have gotten the gate with a game misconduct? Certainly not. Tootoo got just that and then only got a two game suspension afterward and that guy really is a repeat offender. I still remember him sucker-punching Robi here in Nashville. He’s a real scumbag.
For me it’s not about whether or not it should be suspended because I think you can make the case that he should. However, the amount to me is high. Shanny’s not perfect and they’re not going to get every one exactly right and it’s not going to be equal all the time so I don’t think it’s intentional or a conspiracy against us or anything crazy like that. I just feel like in this instance the punishment is a little harsh. I’m just going to pretend that Fistric missed two mandatory breakfasts for two games.
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I agree too... should've been 1 game instead of 3...
I like you’re line of thinking on this missed breakfasts too.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Let's not start talking about the Wheel of Justice with Shanny.
I’m sorry, but they have made it clear that whether there is an injury on the play, and the significance of said injury, are factors in the decision making process.
Both players have a history that they’re looking at (Fistric was fined before, and that counts). The difference here is that Niederreiter got a concussion and is out indefinitely, and Miller was unhurt.
You don’t have to like it, but you can’t go and say that Shannahan is being inconsistent in those types of calls.
The only thing I feel like Stars can complain about here is that Fistric got suspended where Schenn didn’t for a similar hit. But again, we have to consider that Niederreiter was concussed, Vincour was not, and I don’t think Schenn has any history at all with supplemental discipline.
by WingnutInStarsCountry on Dec 7, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Shanny has not been consistent
Obviously I don’t like the call. It was a legal check. The call was wrong period, but I am not basing my claim of inconsistency just on this Fistric thing. Consistency has been a big topic of discussion accross the fan blogs of all hockey fans. Lucic, Tootoo, Pacioretty, couple of cheap shots on Stars players, cheap shots on other players, and even the already doled-out suspensions are all examples of inconsistencies that people have been arguing over all season. You look at the other 3 game suspensions and all of those hits were far worse. I didn’t even really find Scheen’ s hit suspendable, but it was worse IMO than Fistric’s.
Also this is a blog, I can go and say whatever crazy thing I want as long as I keep out the curse words. At least I was staying on topic. I liked Shanny as a player and was optimistic when he took over for Campbell. But all I have seen so far is the same old, same old and I am quickly losing my respect for him.
If the only factor involved in handing out supplemental discipline was the severity or illegality of the hit, play, or whatever,
(and if two things are both illegal, is there really one that is more illegal than another?) then yeah, you could say that Shanny has been inconsistent, and I’d agree with you.
But the problem in your argument is that there isn’t just that one single factor, but there are multiple factors involved in these decisions. That’s been reiterated countless times, since day one.
That is what the videos illustrate. That is what is stated in every press release about every fine or suspension handed down.
I have not kept a detailed chart of every fine and suspension passed out this season, and what factors played into them—but I’m sure someone has, and I would imagine, based on the ones I’ve paid attention to, that if you look it over closely you will see a consistent, predictable trend in the final outcome based on the factors involved in making the decision.
I didn’t think Fistric was going to get suspended, because I compared his hit to that of Schenn on Vincour. BUT, once it was determined that Fistric would likely be suspended (after the announcement of his conference call), I expected to see a suspension of 2-3 games. Why? He’s got a history, though not a laundry list history, and there was a significant injury on the play, but it wasn’t a play in which the head was targeted. If you look at plays in which the head was targeted, whether there is a history or not, you’ll see a suspension of a game or two. If there is a history, you’ll see something closer to four or five games, or more if there is a significant history. In plays where there is no head targeted, if there’s no history and no injury/intent to injure, probably just a fine.
Have you seen anything that doesn’t follow that pattern this season? Please point out to me where the inconsistency is, because I’m not seeing it.
by WingnutInStarsCountry on Dec 7, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Multiple Factors
These multiple factors are mute. It doesn’t matter the kid got hurt or not, it doesn’t matter if Fistric was a repeat offender, and it doesn’t matter if Shanny was having a crappy day because this was a legal check. One simple factor- It was legal. If you watch and freeze frame the hit his skates were still on the ice. Additionally this is the first ever, that I know of, charging call when the charge was accomplished by a skater who somehow took a run at a guy while slowing down from going backwards. As far comparing this season’s previous suspensions, I don’t really have a list I just checked the Shany videos (one good thing out of this changing of the guard) and browsed fan blogs and sites to get a feel how fans felt about this. Unfortunately things really haven’t been all that consistent. An easy lay up argument is Tootoo/Lucic goalie runs. The Pacioretty hit was another I thought shouldn’t have been suspendable either. How about a mere fine for a blantantly intenional two-handed slash on Robidas but this iffy check (we can all admit this call is iffy) is worth 3 games? and Now I am a hockey player so I will always be bieased towards these iffy hard check calls (regardless of the sweater the guy’s wearing) and anyone can rationalize or demonize the life out of this call, so let’s just agree to disagree.
I believe you mean "a moot point"
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Sorry about that. Just thought I'd help you out. I can't help myself.
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Murdter
Did you and your brother play youth hockey at Ice-O-Plex in North Dallas in the mid 90’s.
What the Puck?
by DirtyBrotenScoundrel on Dec 7, 2011 1:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Depends on who you ask
Me or my dentist
What the Puck?
by DirtyBrotenScoundrel on Dec 7, 2011 2:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
My brother and I played there, too.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 7, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
Small world.
I was there when they first opened up and the ice was awful. It had patches of sawdust on the ice.
What the Puck?
by DirtyBrotenScoundrel on Dec 7, 2011 3:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And Getting Smaller
I think the Iceoplex rink has finally closed down (or at least it looks closed every time I drive by). That ice was horrid. I thought the new name “Addision Square Garden” was clever but they still didn’t fix the ice. It also appears the Plano Starcenter (which was Icebound back then) has closed or is closing.
I liked the 3 on 3 leagues on the mini rink. 3 on 3 was great for conditioning.
Rats.
Well, it is what it is.
Good times are here and Stars will take what belongs to them. Sooner or Later.
Rats...
Barchy may be seeing more of those now…
(Can’t believe the FL fans are tossing those again.)
by WingnutInStarsCountry on Dec 7, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
Good one.
Let’s call Mellanby and it will happen. =)
Good times are here and Stars will take what belongs to them. Sooner or Later.
Random thought.
Does anyone else find it slightly comical (but also sad) how depressed Shanny sounds in these videos? He is clearly making these decisions every day knowing that no matter what he says, people are always going to disagree with him.
Just think though…now we get Goose, Daley, AND Larsen for at least 3 games!
Not really surprised that he got suspended, I thought it would be a 2 game suspension kind of a see you in New York and miss the California trip, but at least Daley and Gogo will be back which is great news.
Also, the Fistric fine mentioned in the video, was that for the elbow or the helmet swing, or did he not get suspended for that, can’t recall right now.
by chris1989 on Dec 7, 2011 1:28 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I think this is his first suspension.
But fines count as first offenses.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
I remember he had a fine for the helmet swing.
No suspension on that one, though. I don’t remember what happened with the elbow.
by WingnutInStarsCountry on Dec 7, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
So this is all Nystrom's fault, really.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
lol.
Should the previous instance be held against you if it was against a current member of your team?
Joking of course.
I had a weird dream the other night...
It involved half the Rangers bench beating up on Sean Avery during a game, when they called the Avery rule against him while he was in front of Lundqvist instead of Brodeur. “Accidentally,” of course.
by WingnutInStarsCountry on Dec 7, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
LMAO.
I wonder if they’ve ever talked about that. Probably not…
I mean, how awkward would that conversation be? “Hey, dude. Yeah, I’m only suspended now because your stupid helmet was stuck in my fist as I was punching you. You owe me.” “Um, how was my helmet being stuck in YOUR fist MY fault?” “The heck???”
by WingnutInStarsCountry on Dec 7, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Honestly, I don't understand this ruling at all
If it was just a game, fine, I can understand that. However, three games for THAT hit? Doesn’t make any sense. Take the Lucic on Miller hit. Lucic leaves the ice AND intentionally targets the head of a player unaware that he is about to be hit. No suspension. Nino knew that the hit was probably coming and Fistric did not target or even hit the head. So jumping at an unaware goalie and elbowing him to the head is fine but if you leave the ice a bit too much, you get three games? I’m very confused.
If the laws of physics no longer apply in the future, God help you.
General consensus on Puck Daddy's blog seems to be that he deserved maybe one game, but nothing else...
Of course, I wonder how many of those comments are the outraged Stars fans right now, lol.
I agree with the suspension, but not with counting injury as a factor.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
the schenn hit was worse
and he gets nothing.
why the only time the league pays any attention is IF SOMEONE GETS HURT is beyond me. complete BS.
I think eventually they will steer away from that...
But there are so many incidents that cause injury right now, they might try to tackle too many things at once if they did that, honestly. People might go deaf from all the suspensions handed out.
Injuries and concussions are on the decline this year (though numbers are still early). I would expect questionable hits without injury to really come into focus in another year or two.
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Three games
is excessive even without the context of the Shenn hit going unsuspended. puts on tin foil hat and Guy Fawkes mask
Media Play
Is what it’s all about. Whatever hits get the most national press he has to suspend. Of Those hits Heika posted I’m pretty sure they never showed any of them on “NHL on the fly” when they do their game highlights. And TSN I think MAYBE mentioned the hits quickly in their game notes. I guess Gully needs to go Lindsey Ruff on it after a questionable hit and act like he’s about to cry when talking to the media. I don’t even like Tootoo but I think his suspension was dumb. If his jumping to avoid the hit “made it worse”, why was Miller able to catch him mid-air and slam him to the ice to begin the rabbit punches? These suspensions are now getting ridiculous.
by LittleBallOfHate on Dec 7, 2011 4:13 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
I waited a day to comment
you know count to ten when mad?
I’ve decided I know nothing about the rules of hockey and need to just STFU whenever discussions about legality of hits come up in the future.
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