Tilt: Dallas Stars Fall To New York Islanders, 5-4
I'm sure for those at the AAC, tonight was an exciting game to watch.
In reality, this contest between the New York Islanders and Dallas Stars is absolutely forgettable as the defensive pairing of Sheldon Souray and Stephane Robidas fell completely apart and Andrew Raycroft regressed to the mean. Seven goals were scored in a wild second period as the Stars attempted to overcome a 3-0 deficit, only to give up the go-ahead goal almost immediately after tying the game.
Tomas Vincour got his first goal of the season and had perhaps his best NHL game overall, but the Stars were unable to overcome defensive capitulation of epic proportions tonight despite scoring four goals in the middle frame. Against a team down to just five defensemen and ten forwards on the second night of a back-to-back, the Stars failed to tie the game in the third period and thankfully a forgettable game was complete.
Some very brief thoughts on this game after the jump.
I don't want to spend a whole lot of time on this game as it was wholly forgettable and frustrating, but here are a few thoughts.
The Curious Case Of Jamie Benn & Loui Eriksson - Lots of discussion tonight on Benn and Eriksson, who were held scoreless for their fourth straight game. It's very hard to find faults in their effort overall as it's not like Benn is dogging it and playing poorly -- the line has just suddenly gone dry and can't find the back of the net. In a game that featured nine total goals neither of the team's best players had a point, something that is frustrating and puzzling at the same time.
Sports are all about the results and sometimes we are much too quick to judge on those results alone; people saying that Benn and Eriksson need less TOI in favor of Nystrom and Fiddler are focusing squarely on the scoreboard and not everything else happening on the ice. Still, Eriksson and Benn were both minus-2 tonight and that is what is most frustrating from your top players, especially considering the other injuries on the team.
Remain encouraged as it's just a scoring slump and not an actual performance slump. Jamie Benn led both teams with six shots on goal and nearly had the game-tying goal in the final minutes if it wasn't for a quick whistle by referee Dean Morton.
First, the bad... - Sheldon Souray's final line doesn't look too bad (minus-1, 5 SOG, 20:33 TOI) but he had, by far, his worst game as a Dallas Star. He and Robidas struggled with defensive positioning and gap control and just didn't seem to have the chemistry we've come used to seeing so far this game. It was certainly troubling to see and you wonder if those two are feeling the pressure with Daley and Goligoski injured. When the Stars had a balanced defense, Souray and Robidas played loose and comfortable and it showed in the results. Now, they're struggling and tonight the Stars paid the price.
Mark Fistric is also going to come under scrutiny for his 1st period hit on Nino Niederreiter that sent the young forward to the locker room with an apparent concussion. With the NHL's focus on head shots -- and considering the injury -- there's going to be a lot of focus on this hit. To me, it was a clean hit with Fistric's shoulder making initial contact with Niederreiter's shoulder; the fact that he left the ice is going to be an issue, although he didn't exactly launch himself up and into Niederreiter on the hit. We shall see.
Now, the good.... - Great job by the Stars in the second period by showing resiliency and fighting back, especially by the depth players on the team. Tomas Vincour had a hell of a game and notched his first goal of the season by getting in front and tipping a shot from the point. In fact, all four goals were the result of the Stars crashing the net and creating havoc in front of the goaltender -- amazing what can happen when you accomplish that.
The Stars also calmed down a bit after an atrocious start to the game and were able to put 13 shots on net in the 3rd period while trailing by a goal.
Other random thoughts:
- Bad game by Andrew Raycroft. Poor rebound control and horrendous positioning.
- Eric Nystrom scored again. Tom Wandell, Vincour and Jake Dowell all got their first goals of the season.
- 14,443 at the game tonight. Good to see a bit of a jump on a Saturday night. Too bad it was for this game.
- The Stars must find a way to get up on teams earlier in games. They are once again flirting with last season's formula of attempting to win every game in the final five minutes of the third period and we saw just what happened when that formula fell apart.
- The Stars now head out on a grueling five-game road trip, starting Thursday in San Jose. The good news is that it's likely a few key pieces could be returning.
Three Stars of the Game:
Matt Moulson, NY Islanders
Tomas Vincour, Dallas Stars
PA Parenteau, NY Islanders
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Brandon:
the seven-goal period was the second, not the third. Just a heads-up.
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Uh...it was a test.
Good job! You win!
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 3, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
That one's not my fault.
I was out looking at christmas lights!
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
D-man
This team needs Goli and Daley back in the line to win games like this on. Fistric, Pardy, Grossman slow in the their own zone but just useless in the offensive zone. None of them has a good shot, can hold the zone or make some smart play. And PP they bearly could setup anything. Let’s hope effort on the road can bring them some points.
Trade Robi Free larsen scratch pardy
Goose- Souray
daley grossman
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Good mobile dcore that wont let Moulson score 4 ****ing goals
by can we get hatcher back on Dec 3, 2011 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
And what are you expecting back for Robi?
I realize a forward, but would be curious about a name or two.
Raycroft failed us tonight...
The dcore didn’t help him at all but the offense showed up… Weird paradigm shift… At least they didn’t score on us in the 3rd so Bachman wouldn’t have even helped… I knew as soon as we heard Montoya was in the game was over…
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I've solved the curious case of Loui and Benn...
I don’t know if you have the game recorded or not, but if you do, go back and watch all of their shifts. If you do, you’ll see one thing in common with all of them: Ryder did not connect on a single pass tonight. Every single pass he made did 1 of 2 things: If the play was behind the net, it jammed his teammate. If it was in front of the net, he led the player by too much, making them reach just to try and reach the puck. It was seriously frustrating to watch. I don’t know what he needs to do, but he ruined that top line tonight. Loui and Benn looked great, but if the cycle ends at your third guy every single time, there’s not much you can do offensively.
As for the rest of it….Raycroft was indeed terrible. It won’t be long (i.e. the next game they play) before teams realize he is pumping out juicy rebounds to the facoff dots, and coming too far out of his crease in the process. He better get that crap under control before Thursday.
One other thing I noticed was that the puck seemed awfully bouncy tonight…. I don’t think I’ve seen it come off the boards like that in a while. Every time it hit the boards, it would always jump back out. I dunno, maybe it was just me, but it sure seemed like that was the case. Maybe they forgot to freeze the pucks tonight or something.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Oh yeah, and I had the Islanders broadcast tonight..... god did they make the game even harder to watch.
They just seemed so disinterested. Like they were stuck in a museum trying to describe some piece of modern art for 3 hours.
Freaking shoot me.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
I mentioned previously that I preferred Otter on that line and people tell me they are more effective with Ryder. I disagree.
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Honestly, I think it's a simple issue...
I think ryder needs to switch to a stick about a half inch longer. the longer length means the puck stays on his tape longer, longer release time, and more accurate passes.
Only applies if he’s habitually leading the pass too much. And he definitely was tonight. Otherwise, it just comes down to doing some speed drills during this break, and having him work on it.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
I couldn't do it.
They’re one of the visitor broadcasts that turns the game volume way down so you can’t hear the home crowd and all you hear is their annoying homer voices. Considering they had five freakin goals I was just smashing the fast forward button on the DVR A LOT!! Such a freakin’ frustrating game.
Avery would have loved to play with the Rangers this year...but he got STUCK ON AN OIL RIG. -- John Tortorella. (Well, not really)
The problem is that it will require a 2/3rds (or is it 3/4ths?) vote to get it done.
And 15 teams (the entire eastern conference) will vote it down, because it will increase travel for them.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
I don't think it's going to be that bad.
The NHL isn’t coming up with these ideas independently of the BOG. Pitt and PHI are sticking together and while Detroit may not move East, the divisional alignment makes things work much better in their favor.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 3, 2011 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe.... but I won't believe it until it happens....
These are the same guys who thought it would be a good idea to see some 15 teams at home once every 3 years, while seeing 4 teams 9 times in the same span.
I think it’s a great set up, personally, but I just can’t see the Eastern teams getting past the whole “travelling” issue.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
What traveling issue?
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 3, 2011 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
requiring more than a bus to get to 75% of their games.
because it’s hard to travel more than 2 states.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
From what I see, only Florida and Tampa Bay have that issue
And screw the other teams.
That is all.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 3, 2011 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
All I remember is a bunch of those teams throwing a hissy fit when they added more east/west when they reduced divisional play a bit.
It was annoying.
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Screw them.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 3, 2011 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
exactly.
But we need that 2/3rds vote to do it :-P
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
They have to do something though
Some form of realignment is necessary with Winnipeg being in the eastern conference. The west teams can filibuster any kind of change unless the east teams compromise. They can filibuster all sorts of other changes the east might want to make too. You know who’s going to hate this new realignment, with a balanced schedule? NBC and Versus, because they won’t be able to get as many match ups between the only 5 teams they acknowledge the existence of.
2/3rds
Apparently the majority of the west is on board and so is Bettman
by can we get hatcher back on Dec 3, 2011 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
The scheduling would be a home at home against everybody in the other divisions
And the rest of the games in division.
They need 20 of 30. If the entire Western Conference votes for this, they only need 5 teams from the East to agree. I could see the whole Southeast division voting for it just to get more dates against more popular teams. The alternative is a straight up Detroit for Winnipeg swap, which would be awful.
oh God, the Stars put Moulson on sportscenter
:(
by CrackerJap on Dec 3, 2011 10:51 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Post is up on the Fistric hit.
Since everyone is talking about it.
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Some thoughts after returning from the ACC
-Raycroft gave up horrendous rebounds everywhere… But most of the goals weren’t his fault..
-The Islanders figured out how to win: replace DiPietro! Montoya played very well I thought.
-Jamie Benn is just not the same out there. Him trying to take the puck in against a defender resulted in a turnover almost every time. Not the Jamie Benn I know. He’ll be back.
-How ’bout that 4th line?
-Most of all, thank you hockey gods that Matt Moulson is with the Islanders, and not the Kings!
Goalie Swap
I think it is time for Gully to send a message to our keepers and let them know that this will not be tolerated. I understand what we had on the bench may not have been ready but it would have sent a message. The rebounds, and the amount of goals. I know it is not all on the keeper but a message needs to be sent that we will not allow them to be put under a firing squad either, nor allow 4-5 goals and expect to win. I say let Bachman play next game, and see what he has at the pro level this year with a little more balanced team.
Not to mention
That Mike Milbury has not been the GM on Long Island for several years to trade him away.
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by Brandon Bibb on Dec 4, 2011 12:07 AM CST up reply actions
# of dammit Raycroft moments = 1
- of dammit Souray moments = 3
- of times Dean Morton completely dropped the ball- every time it was in his court. His whistles behind the Isle net late were dumb at best, and the only thing worse than his call on Dvorak was his treatment of Dvorak when he complained. Who the hell says they do a good job?
Oh Jamie Benn line, where art thou?
Two goals from the fourth line tonight. Sweet.
Nystrom scores. Again.
Vincour scores! Good work kiddo!
This loss sucks, but you’ve gotta move on. Beat the Sharks (and commence twitter war with my friend.)
Still don't know what to say about that game.
It was just odd all around.
by WingnutInStarsCountry on Dec 4, 2011 9:41 AM CST reply actions
There are a few positive things...
that I can take from this game. While it is obvious the stars D and goaltending dropped the ball and let it roll all the way into the street, I was impressed the team came back from a 3-0 deficit to tie it, then after they gave up a beer league soft goal when it seemed they were about to take over the game to go down in a hole again they didn’t turtle up they fought back to tie it once more. Glad to see the resolve and dedication to not simply throw their hands up and say “well its just not our night”.
And just as an added personal bonus I got a Nystrom mystery puck.
Nystrom ...
lost in all the blah of this game and the Fistric hit.
What a feel good story he is. He is freakin leading this team in goals now! Tied his season best in only 21 games.
You have to root for him...
I agree totally it’s a great feel good story, even before the Stars got him the way he handled himself after the Fedun incident in the preseason I hoped for him to have a great season, the fact he is doing it for my favorite hockey team is obviously an added bonus. I am hopeful that I get to meet him at the stars practice at the starscenter in Farmers Branch Monday, he seems like a real class act and is making GM Joe look brilliant.
I could only see the highlights. Working doubleshift didn't like me watching this one. =)
Raycroft looked like the one who had good and bad moments. He still goes down too fast sometimes, because he can’t see the puck well.
Good times are here and Stars will take what belongs to them. Sooner or Later.

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