Dallas Stars Daily Links: Another Fistric Hit Draws Attention
Here's a fun with Internet reporting moment for you. When does a so-called "flying elbow" not draw instant attention from the masses in this era of instant outrage?
The answer, at least in the eyes of a Nashville Predators Examiner.com blogger, came last Friday when Mark Fistric of the Dallas Stars laid a big hit on Shea Weber that has the Predators defenseman out with a concussion.
The Examiner is one of those "pay-for-clicks" sites out there that is slightly more selective than some other outlets when it comes to its writers but still has an interesting history of fact-checking issues. But for your amusement, here's the relevant section from their Tuesday article.
In the closing minutes of Nashville’s final game before the Christmas break, Weber was hit with a flying elbow from Dallas defenseman Mark Fistric. On the hit, Fistric’s elbow appeared to hit Weber in the lower part of the jaw.
Weber took part in a very brief portion of the team’s morning skate Monday before leaving the ice. Following the skate, Predators head coach Barry Trotz said that he did not know the status of Weber for the game, as he had not had time to talk to the training staff at that point.
And here is the hit in question.
Now, to the credit of most Predators fans, the majority of the reaction I've seen after the initial panic is that it was most likely a legal hit that came from Fistric reading Weber's pinch and catching him unprepared. It's certainly not a blatant flying elbow. And since practically no fuss was made about it until after the injury was apparent, I think it's clear that most people who are angry are more worried about the loss of Weber to injury rather than the hit itself.
Their range of reactions can be found here at On The Forecheck.
Weber might be back as soon as Friday, so there is good news for Predators fans. And as Fistric played in Monday's loss to the St. Louis Blues, there is almost certainly no supplementary discipline coming. The league almost always hands out its Shanabans before the offender's next game.
After the jump, catching up with the goalie moves that will be made today, Joe Nieuwendyk talks trade deadline flexibility and Razor knocks back some egg nog.

- The biggest story on Tuesday was the decision to place backup goalie Andrew Raycroft on waivers today with the imminent return of Kari Lehtonen from a groin injury. Rookie goalie Richard Bachman will be the Stars new backup should everything go to plan. [ESPN Dallas]
- And here is Mike Heika's take, albeit paywalled, on the situation. [DallasNews.com]
- Relating to the Mark Fistric-Shea Weber fun-times above, here is the basic news of the situation. [Yahoo]
- Razor drank some egg nog, called the snot of out some hockey games and wrote down these 10 thoughts for you over the Christmas season. [Razor with an Edge]
- General manager Joe Nieuwendyk went on The Ticket during Monday's Normathon and covered a variety of subjects, including these enticing little nuggets about what the Stars might do around the trade deadline. [DallasNews.com]
- Something I didn't link for you over Christmas - Stars players discuss their best Christmas presents ever. Or the worst, on at least one memorable occasion. [DallasStars.com]
- Remember the old Iraqi information minister meme? I feel like the NHL is encroaching on that territory more and more each time they open their mouth about the forecast for the Winter Classic. Move along, nothing to see here. [NHL.com]
- Meet the enemy: The struggling-but-not-nearly-as-hapless Columbus Blue Jackets got one point out of Tuesday's contest but fell 2-1 to the Calgary Flames behind a Jarome Iginla shootout goal. [Calgary Herald]
- Around the Pacific Division: After all five teams played on Monday, there was nothing going on in the division on Tuesday. So instead, enjoy all the squeamish creativity you may ever need courtesy of San Jose Sharks fans, who were none too pleased to be playing the Anaheim Ducks yet again. [Puck Daddy]
- Not an article, but a site where all you number crunches can waste hours upon hours looking at the raw numbers and some unique ways to interpret them. [PowerScoutHockey.com]
- Shortest Kari Lehtonen interview ever, but you know you missed him as much as I did.
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Everyone should go to the forecheck blog
and rec the comment by 101st.
It’s easy to find, as it’s the only comment that has any common sense.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
agreed.
everyone else is calling for fistric’s head.
by Travis Drybread on Dec 28, 2011 7:42 AM CST up reply actions
That entire thread is full of fail.
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by Brandon Worley on Dec 28, 2011 7:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
If they hadn't waited 3 days to get upset about it, maybe it wouldn't be.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
I like the part where none of them are sure if a player is still playing for them or their minor league affiliate.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
one problem with the Shanahammer:
everyone’s an expert now.
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by graylikethecolor on Dec 28, 2011 8:40 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
are you an expert?
(man I love that video)
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
No
but I DID stay at a holiday inn express last night.
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by graylikethecolor on Dec 29, 2011 8:59 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I love how they all seem to know exactly what Fistric was thinking at the moment of impact.
“he’s thinking, "here’s my chance."”
“He knew what he was doing.”
It’s like they’ve never watched hockey before.
“He has a history of leaving his feet on shots like that.”
Sooooo, now that the entire league has made it a point to publicize one hit that was borderline at best, now he has a “history?”
They’ve got quite a few homers on that thread for sure. What else is new though? That’s a large portion of their fan base. Just go to a game and see all the normal hockey plays they whine about. At least there are one or two people on that thread with some rational thought.
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
It's just not a suspension
Christ Douglas Murray’s hit on Eriksson last year wasn’t a suspension, how in God’s name can Fistric’s be one!?
Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?
by Great British Stars Fan on Dec 28, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I mean it's no where near a suspendable hit.
It’s just a normal hit where the guy on the receiving end puts himself in an awkward position before what would otherwise be a normal hit at any point in any game in the NHL. Weber is taller than Fistric. Fistric is not up in the air on this one so there’s only one way that Weber’s chin gets down to where Fistric’s elbow is. Firstric doesn’t raise his elbow until after the initial contact so unless Weber is a lot lower than he should be then there’s no way Fistric should have hit him in that area. It’s ridiculous that we even have to justify it.
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
Good to see Kari back.
I heard some of fans want to trade Ott, why?
DMN atleast had some.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
Some DMN commenters also thought that the Stars might move to Canada.
So don’t look into their comments too much.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
True, TSN readers are down with that feeling the most.
It’s just funny. After he “would” be gone, they would just get another target.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
by Henri Muroke on Dec 28, 2011 8:26 AM CST up reply actions
I'd rather focus on the non contributors of the team...
Wandell, Peterson, Grossman…
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
True enough.
Will be missing next games too,like I have the last ones and it’s hard to say who had been the worst. I have seen only the highlights and don’t want to judge players from that material.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
by Henri Muroke on Dec 28, 2011 8:31 AM CST up reply actions
Grossman has been making a ton of mistakes around the net that i've seen...
it’s not that he’s terrible or anything. He just hasn’t developed into the high caliber D-man I thought he would become.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Too bad.
Since it’s his time to get a new contract.
I wouldn’t move, Goligoski, Larsen, Daley and Souray. All others, well Stars can always talk.
Souray might not be here next year anyway, but if he is, good.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
by Henri Muroke on Dec 28, 2011 8:43 AM CST up reply actions
You'd move Robi?
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Not a must, I like him, a lot.
But I would listen, if a good offer would be here.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
by Henri Muroke on Dec 28, 2011 8:45 AM CST up reply actions
Thing with Robi is like thing with Ott.
He does lots of things you won’t get back, if he goes.
It’s not all about stats.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
by Henri Muroke on Dec 28, 2011 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't be opposed to seeing what Dillon and Benn are capable of next season...
Should be interesting to see what happens next training camp.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Dillon might be an interesting option.
Feels buy the way funny to thing what the Stars will do when the tradedeadline is here, now they can do something, if the right deal is there.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
by Henri Muroke on Dec 28, 2011 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
Klingberg, far, far away.
Don’t know about Nemeth.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
by Henri Muroke on Dec 28, 2011 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
If enough D-men from Austin make it to dallas next year, that would open up some spots
in Austin for some of our more recent draft picks to come in…
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Not bad idea, at all.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
by Henri Muroke on Dec 28, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
Oh god forgot about those two
Why do we have so many Dmen
Oh, and Oleksiak will say hi at some point.
Larsen Dillon Benn Oleksiak Nemeth maybe Klingberg
PLUS Grossman Fistric Daley Goligoski etc.
My god.
Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?
by Great British Stars Fan on Dec 28, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Don't forget Vance, too.
He’s had a rough year for a number of reasons beyond his control. But he seems to be doing better as of late. He could wind up in Austin Next year, if enough guys get called up to Dallas.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Oh yeah I forgot about Vance
Well what do you know, looks like we might have some trade bait!!
Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?
by Great British Stars Fan on Dec 28, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
He's been stuck playing in french speaking canada...
I don’t envy him.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
French
shudders
Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?
by Great British Stars Fan on Dec 28, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah Grossman is not playing well right now.
How bout that Niskanen guy? Leading the pens in plus minus at +12.
That's why plus minus is such a weird stat.
That being said, some players go to a good team and then the other players skill and ability actually lift up that worse player’s game. :D
Either way, he wasn’t finding his stride here. He was dreadful. No matter how good he performs with the Pens I’ll never believe he was capable of the same thing in Big D.
… … …He sucked… … …A lot.
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
I completely agree.
I’m not sure who he is paired with but i’d imagine it is probably someone good who is making him look better then what he actually is. The same thing happened in Dallas with Zubov. I think Zubov could be paired with a 15 yr old and make them look awesome.
Grossman has been getting better the past few weeks
I feel he’s still adjusting to not being with Robi (why doesn’t Gully bring that pair back, and stick Souray with Goose, or Larsen!?)
Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?
by Great British Stars Fan on Dec 28, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Or with Daley.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
by Henri Muroke on Dec 28, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Or Dillon!!!
;)
Tonight's forecast... a freeze!!!
James Neal - 45 points. Alex Goligoski - 46 points. Nieuwendyk lost?
by Great British Stars Fan on Dec 28, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Too soon.
But if Souray is here next season, who knows.
Trevor Daley is my cup of tea.
by Henri Muroke on Dec 28, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
He would have been suspended by now, since we already played a game.
No punishment is forthcoming.
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
I wish I could forget about it too :-)
"He punched the highlights out of her hair.... He punched the HIGHLIGHTS out of her hair!!!" -- Young Neil
Hmm
I never even realized he was injured or was out with a concussion. How did I miss that?
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Dec 28, 2011 10:32 AM CST reply actions
About that Examiner article
I wouldn’t sully the good name of Jim Diamond with some of the practices on that site. He’s covered the Predators since the very beginning (he writes a lot of AP stuff on them, if I recall correctly), and he’s probably the best hockey writer in town.
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Since someone else also e-mailed me about it
I mentioned the Examiner stuff for two reasons.
1.) Because it’s a pay-for-click site, he has monetary reasons, however minimal, to generate clicks and controversy by posting ridiculous things like “flying elbow” when no such thing existed (and if you want to get really technical, it’s a fairly libelous comment given the NHL has deemed it a clean play, though the chance a libel suit would ever be filed over something like that is approximately .000001 percent).
2.) Because there is no real editorial oversight, as shown by their issues with fact-checking at times, there’s no one over him to say “what flying elbow?” and make him show his work.
Without that pretty ridiculous comment, the Examiner wouldn’t have been mentioned. He could be an excellent writer with fabulous credentials otherwise, but I found that particular comment to need explanation as to how it could be publishable on what some could consider a “mainstream” outlet.
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Because it’s a pay-for-click site, he has monetary reasons, however minimal, to generate clicks and controversy by posting ridiculous things like "flying elbow" when no such thing existed…
The Examiner has ads just like SB Nation, so you can pretty much impugn yourself with that first part as much as Jim. It’s safe to say that folks on either side of an incident can see things differently, and I don’t think the term “flying elbow” is that out of line. I just wish we had more angles to see the hit from.
I also suggest you study up on what libel means.
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Very few SB nation contributers get paid
I am not one of them. To my understanding, every Examiner writer is paid, albeit very tiny amounts, based on the amount of clicks their stories generate. As a fan blogger, I have no direct monetary reason to try and generate clicks. He does. There is a distinct difference.
And libel is a provable falsehood, with malice in the case of public figures, that is published and causes damage. In it’s most liberal sense, the “flying elbow” statement in the Examiner article is provably false (the NHL did not punish the play either in game or post-game, which means it has been deemed legal and therefore is not a “flying elbow” in their expert opinion), published (in a news article, not in an opinion piece) and damages Fistric’s reputation. You could make a case it also has a reckless disregard for the truth since it knowingly ignores the fact the NHL deemed the play legal. Like I said, it would almost certainly never, ever be brought to court for a variety of reasons, but it’s the type of statement that absolutely could be.
We obviously have a disagreement of opinion here, so I will respectfully bow out of the discussion.
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Oh, I just figured you were tossing the libel word around as a ridiculous ploy to generate clicks & controversy.
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I realize you write for Nashville so you probably can't help it but you could try to be a little less rude.
Your defense of this guy is pretty intense based on one criticism of his article. And come on Dirk, you’re not so much of a homer that you would really consider that a “flying elbow” right?
"I know the last couple of years have been especially hard for Stars fans. To all of you: First let me say thank you for your patience and support, and please know that the uncertainty is now over." -- Tom Gaglardi
The Stars best presents ever
has some gold in it! A few had me really lol.
Sourays worst present was a great one. And Nystrom making a gun out of a signed Hrudey stick! Just Christmas gold!

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