Rick Nash Trade. Worth It?

Not sure about that possibility.

Nash is an established all-star so he would command a lot of value in a trade. If Columbus is going to start over, they need to build around Nash since he is such a great player. Although they will be needing a good young goalie and Dallas has several.

by T-rom on Nov 1, 2011 1:04 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

Good Point

But Why wouldn’t they trade him for talent and a lot of picks and jump start the process.

by oconnor9sean on Nov 1, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions

And this is purely

Wishful thinking, I really really want Nash, but the likelihood isn’t high.

by oconnor9sean on Nov 1, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions

seeing Benn and Nash out there together would be mighty nice.

but he’s going to cost a lot to get.

They’d want Campbell and then some.

by Travis Drybread on Nov 1, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions

There is just about zero chance they're about to trade Rick Nash

after spending all the money they spent this offseason to try to make this team a contender.

If they did, somehow, the Stars don’t have the prospect pieces to make that deal.

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by Josh Lile on Nov 1, 2011 2:19 PM CDT reply actions

Columbus is already close to the cap

If they wanted to do anything this year, they’d need a fire sale, trade a big name (Nash or Carter, both have some kind of no trade close), or get rid of Prospal, Pahlsson, or Huselius (all of their contracts are up at the end of this year). I don’t see Columbus getting rid of Nash or Carter. Nash is still only 27 years old even though it feels like he should be approaching the end of his career, and its doubtful Columbus will give up on Carter less than a year after giving up their first round pick to get him. Pahlsson and Huselius would cost more to give up then they would bring back, so that leaves Prospal who is 36 and was hurt for most of last year. I’m glad I’m not a Blue Jackets fan right now.

by JKil3 on Nov 1, 2011 2:28 PM CDT reply actions

I love Nash

He’s one of the more underrated players in the league and can be an absolute beast.

HOWEVER, seems like teams who do this kind of trade end up regretting it shortly thereafter. Remember when the Stars didn’t have a first round pick for a few years there?

I also don’t think Joe would be up for that kind of risk vs reward. There’s absolutely no guarantee that he’d push the Stars over the edge or that he’d be a good fit.

You’d probably have to give up Kari and a pick to get Nash. Would that be worth it?

by jabudi on Nov 1, 2011 3:20 PM CDT reply actions

I really doubt they'd want Kari if they're rebuilding.

More like Campbell+much more, not just a pick.

by Why on Nov 1, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions

I don't see Columbus blowing up their top line anytime soon.

They JUST traded for that elusive #1 centre. I would think their GM would give it a little more than a month to let them gel. The other 10 forwards (3 lines + other top line winger) and 6 defense are probably fair game, but I wouldn’t see Carter or Nash heading out anytime soon.

Also you have to think that if Columbus is giving up a power forward like Nash, they’re aiming for Benn to go the other way. Call me a homer but as much as I love a 27 year old Rick, but I would rather a 22 year old Benn any day.

by LilEagle on Nov 1, 2011 3:28 PM CDT reply actions

im a huge nash fan

but i wonder if playing for the blue jackets for the last several years has caused him to become damaged goods. he has tons of talent but may never truly become the player everyone thinks he can be solely because he’s been stuck in a crappy situation for so long. sometimes that happens to a player and they lose theyre formative years and can no longer get up for games or practice. its just a theory but everyone needs to ask themselves if rick nash can still become truly great. i believe he is not on an elite level but a step below. the price the stars would have to pay to get him would be ridiculous and you only pay a large sum for truly great players, which as ive stated i dont believe he is. now if they can get him at a more reasonable price i would love to have him, but thats probably not going to happen.

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by heyitsthatguy! on Nov 1, 2011 3:54 PM CDT reply actions

call me crazy...

But I would give up Glennie, Besko or Bachman, and another lower value prospect for Nash – in a heartbeat.

Carter may be a first line center, but he’s too much like Nash (a shooter, not a passer). Given that, the BJs still need someone to distribute the puck, and I see Glennie as more of a playmaker than anything else. Also, Glennie’s injury/camp participation worries me. I’ve never seen Glennie up close, but I think he’s going to be a bust, for the Stars anyway.

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by dmoore44 on Nov 1, 2011 4:39 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions

I'd give up whoever it took, except for Campbell and Oleksiak.

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by Tsudbury on Nov 2, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions

That proposal is quite unrealistic.

If you don’t give up a top prospect (IE Campbell/Oleksiak), you are going have to pay with two first-rounders and a prospect with some potential. They aren’t looking to give him away for garbage.

by Why on Nov 2, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Can you really say

That Glennie and Bachman/Besko are garbage? If so, then you’re not paying close enough attention. The goalies were red hot last season and seem to be starting where they left off (except for that 10 goal game…) and Glennie is still maturing.

Carpe diem!

by dmoore44 on Nov 2, 2011 4:14 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions

I don't think he's saying they're garbage. Just that they would want an "elite" prosect in return.

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by Tsudbury on Nov 2, 2011 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions

I am.

Scott Glennie is a terrible prospect.

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by Josh Lile on Nov 2, 2011 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions

That whole draft in the first round isn't looking too stellar.

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by Brandon Worley on Nov 2, 2011 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions

Those are two good prospects, nothing close to great.

Glennie has only shown sparks, and lately has been nothing even good with injury problems. Besko is a decent goaltending prospect, but he’s not elite.

Rick Nash is a solid 30+ goal scorer, one of the upper players in this league. You’re not going to get him for two good, but not great prospects. You have to give up either a young good player on the roster with a combination of something else or an elite prospect like Campbell (since they need a goalie) and at least a first rounder.

by Why on Nov 2, 2011 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions

this would never happen

i wish it would though

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by 8thegreat on Nov 1, 2011 8:15 PM CDT reply actions

Why trade for Nash...

When you get get Zach Parise in free agency or better yet, a reasonable trade at the deadline if NJ knows they are not going to re-sign him? I know Nash is a beast but numbers are pretty similar, except that CBJ had to throw him into the fire at a younger age so he has more games played but:

Rick Nash: Age 27 Left shot, Right Wing 604 games 263g, 235a= 498pts for average .82pts per game

Zach Parise: Age 27 Left shot, Left Wing 429 games 167g, 179a= 346pts for average .80pts per game

Very similar stats except Parise has played every game of every season he has played except last year when he suffered a nasty season ending injury early.

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by Sylent Jay on Nov 2, 2011 10:37 AM CDT reply actions

I agree

Parise is who I am interested in. The fact that he has switched to center makes him even more attractive, I think. If the Devils realize they can’t sign him and look to trade him, I hope we get involved. I feel that Joe’s familiarity with that organization could help us a bit too. If he does make it to free agency though, we’ll have our new owner by then and plenty of room to spend money.

by imacdane on Nov 2, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions

It's all a question of what you want to lose in those regards...

Bring him in through trade, and lose a player. Sign him in FA, and lose more money than you might if you convinced him to extend after trading for him.

Either way though, if we somehow wound up with Parise, it wouldn’t be about this season. It’s about building a successful team over the next couple years. Since that’s the case, I really think you wait to go after anyone until FA, so that you don’t sacrifice pieces of the future.

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by Tsudbury on Nov 2, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions

But I agree that FA is the better way to get him

unless the deal is so attractive to trade because NJ is just trying to get something so they don’t lose him for nothing

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by Sylent Jay on Nov 2, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions

Agreed, but it would depend on what they were wanting.

And I think there will be plenty of bidders for him. It’s not like Richards who had a NTC in his.

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by Tsudbury on Nov 2, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions

But the Stars would be a leading contender

I doubt they’d want to put him in the Eastern Conference.

by Why on Nov 2, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions

and you can't overstate the benefit of getting a guy like Parise...

at the trade deadline before free agency because you get exclusive negotiating rights to him first which ups your chances of re-signing him.

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by Sylent Jay on Nov 2, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions

if you can do a sign and trade then great...otherwise no thanks.

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by shock00 on Nov 2, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions

I can understand that sentiment

but I don’t think NJ or Dallas would have a reason for a sign and trade. Yes it would be good to get a guaranteed contract for him upon receipt but if NJ is going to sign him then they would be inclined to keep him. Additionally, Dallas would probably want to structure their own deal if they are going to sign him long term.

Plus, I don’t think “sign and trades” actually happen in the NHL. I think that might be more of an NBA thing

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by Sylent Jay on Nov 2, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions

Pretty sure he'll want some sort of NMC in his next contract too.

I think it really comes down to how many years he’s looking for. 7 years?

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by Tsudbury on Nov 2, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions

There isnt much of a reason to trade for Parise unless you think you're a Cup contender

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by Josh Lile on Nov 2, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions

there is where i'm at now

if the Stars aren’t 1 pc away, then why make any deal? Just trust in Joe and continue to build.

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by shock00 on Nov 4, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions

If you can trade for Parise and get he and Benn locked up for a while

Dallas will look a lot more attractive to big name free agents

by Travis Drybread on Nov 2, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions

If you don't get him to guarantee that he'll extend his contract

Then, no way in hell the Stars consider trading for him considering his price won’t be low. It’s not like the Stars are a piece from a championship, they’re building for the future.

by Why on Nov 2, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions

Only b/c I want to be on puckdaddy

To COLUMBUS
Jamie Benn
2012 FIRST ROUND PICK
2013 FIRST ROUND PICK

To DALLAS
Rick Nash
2012 THIRD ROUND PICK

What...just...happened?

by RealDealNeal on Nov 2, 2011 12:28 PM CDT reply actions

the lynch mob

Starts behind me.

by harry wagstaff on Nov 2, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm 2nd in line

Make sure you leave something for the rest of us to destroy!

Carpe diem!

by dmoore44 on Nov 2, 2011 4:15 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions

Tie him to a pole and set him on fire for suggesting such ludicrous thoughts.

by Why on Nov 2, 2011 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions

he's a witch ! burn !

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by shock00 on Nov 4, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions

Not sure what it means, if anything, but...

Reilly Smith’s college production isn’t that far away from Parise’s.

Just saying…

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by Josh Lile on Nov 2, 2011 5:15 PM CDT reply actions

None of us want to wait for Reilly Smith to enter the NHL.

by Why on Nov 2, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions

The one issue with Reilly Smith is that he's small and right now he's having trouble overcoming defenses focusing on him.

I’m going to be very interested to see how he responds and overcomes being the #1 guy on a very young team.

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by Brandon Worley on Nov 2, 2011 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions

Are we sure he's still small?

I’ve seen him listed at 6’0 160 before. That’s plenty of height, but definitely lacking in bulk.

The Miami website lists him at 6’1 180 now. Ideally you’d like a touch more bulk, but if he’s really at 180 he doesn’t need much more with the elite level offensive talent he possesses.

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by Josh Lile on Nov 2, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm going to be seeing him play in person next weekend.

From everything people who follow Miami have told me, he still needs to bulk up.

They’re playing Michigan next weekend, so it should be a good time.

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by Brandon Worley on Nov 2, 2011 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions

180 could be inflated, who knows.

by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Nov 3, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions

Nice, that should be a lot of fun.

Even at 180 he would still need to bulk up some. I’m curious if he’s really 180 though. If he is theres no reason he can’t add on 10-15 more pounds.

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by Josh Lile on Nov 3, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions

Austin Smith has put up good numbers at Colgate

Anyone know where he ranks among the Stars prospect? He has been one of the top scorers for Colgate each year, and put up great numbers on the Vees when he played in the BCHL. I know he probably won’t ever play a regular season game for the Stars, but it would still be cool to see a born and raised Dallas kid get to suit up for a preseason game.

I know this is a Stars site, but Matt Donovan (youth hockey for OKC, Stars Midget AAA, and member of the US world junior team that won gold with Jack Campbell) played in 3 of the 5 preseason games for the Islanders this year and was top 3 in ice time during all of the games. Hopefully in the next couple of years we’ll see some of the younger guys like Donovan or Chris Brown that have spent time playing youth hockey in Dallas start to make contributions to NHL teams.

by JKil3 on Nov 3, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm sure more and more Dallas-ites will start making noise as the years progress.

Hockey got big around here mid 90’s and those kids are starting to get to the right age

by Travis Drybread on Nov 3, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions

I've consistently ranked Austin Smith in the top 10 for Stars prospects.

He’s been relatively quiet as far as prospects go, but he’s going to be making the jump next season to pro. It’s going to be interesting to see how that translates from college to pro.

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by Brandon Worley on Nov 4, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions

I'd wait a bit before bidding

but if I were Joe, then I’d definitely be talking to Howson about the availability of Nash. Maybe a first, second, and Glennie for Nash. If we can keep up the pace that we’re on, Nash might get us into and through the first round or two of the playoffs. Plus, I’d love to see him on a line with Benn and Eriksson.

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by Virginian Star on Nov 6, 2011 10:29 PM CST reply actions

There is no way Columbus would trade Rick Nash unless they are ready to blow the team up.

Frankly, since Carter and Wisniewski haven’t even played in the same lineup yet, you have to think that is premature. Likewise, the issue in Columbus seems to lie in the net — Steve Mason is atrocious, and they have no decent backup. I would sooner expect to see Columbus make a move for a goaltender than to initiate a rebuild by trading Nash.

Moving someone like Antoine Vermette or Derick Brassard would seem more likely. With Johansen playing well in the NHL now, Columbus has the depth at center to move one of the above without losing too much. Plus, with Huselius due back in 2-3 weeks, their top-6 will become a bit crowded.

by GCO on Nov 8, 2011 2:08 PM CST reply actions