Dallas Stars Training Camp: What To Do With Final Roster Spot?
Today, the Dallas Stars will make some of the final moves of the preseason as they start to shape the NHL roster. As we've mentioned a few times over the past month, the Stars entered training camp with what we felt was an already-full NHL roster and that it would take an extremely impressive preseason by a young player to change that.
With the Dallas Stars going 6-1 in the preseason and looking like a very different team under coach Glen Gulutzan, a few young players have indeed stepped up and suddenly we're looking at a very difficult decision ahead for the Stars.
If it were as simple as making the roster based on preseason performance, potential and talent -- Eric Godard would be heading to Austin and Tomas Vincour would start the season in the NHL. Yet there are other factors being considered in this decision and much of it has to do with a player's overall developmental curve, something that is likely going to see Vincour in Austin come next week.
What's interesting about this decision is that it's not exactly being influenced by finances. Godard has already cleared waivers and the Stars are prepared to send him to the AHL if needed; he was signed to a two-way contract this summer, so sending him to the AHL won't negatively affect the finances of the Stars.
Instead, we're faced with trying to determine if Vincour is better served, long term, to start out in Austin once more and get top line minutes. If he were in Dallas, he'd likely be on the fourth line and would be facing the possibility of being a healthy scratch from time to time. He's been playing top minutes for the Stars the past few preseason games and he's starting to produce, yet being relegated to the fourth line isn't exactly what's best for the young forward.
Instead, it's likely the Stars approach this situation a bit more pragmatically. Vincour would be the first call up if an injury occurred, with the ability to step right in and play top-six minutes if needed. This would allow him the opportunity to get valuable experience in the AHL while providing the Stars with incredible organizational depth when injuries arise.
What do you feel is the best course of action for the Stars? Should Gulutzan build the best four lines he can, including Vincour, or should the Stars also pay heed to the long term development of a player who could potentially be a big part of this franchise's success in the future?
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I'd love to see Vincour up here to start
but having him buried on the 4th line wouldn’t do a whole lot for his development.
I say start him in Austin. Injuries will happen and he’ll be up here at some point.
by Travis Drybread on Oct 2, 2011 11:15 AM CDT reply actions
Totally agree
Better to get quality minutes in prep for injuries than get rusty in the press box or bench
by BigTex_BillsFan on Oct 2, 2011 11:43 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Definitely
must have him on the roster and put him on a line with Dvorak so we can call it the "Czech"ing line.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Oct 2, 2011 11:21 AM CDT reply actions
I would be fine with both options.
It would be nice to see him with Dvorak.
Then again… Minutes in AHL would serve him better, since that way he would have them much more.
Good times are here and Stars will take what belongs to them. Sooner or Later.
Dvorak-Vincour
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Just like the Finns did once.
Modano knew some words of finnish, so even that wasn’t problem.
He knew words like: pass: syota, Shoot: ammu, I’m open: vapaana. It’s good if you play with Jere.
Trivia of the day, heh.
Good times are here and Stars will take what belongs to them. Sooner or Later.
Definitely send him down.
He’s shown that he’s capable of playing in the NHL now, but 4th line minutes won’t do him any good. Down in Cedar Park he’ll be playing a top-six or even top-three role, which will be much better for his development long-term.
Play Him
I say play him. We need youth an speed if were going to be rolling 4 lines consistantly, an He has shown definite improvement. What would it hurt to start him in big club…he could always go back down before he hits Max games
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by k9mike on Oct 2, 2011 11:43 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I don't see him buried on the 4th line
Maybe I’m wrong, but since when was the 3rd line set in stone? Vincour is a big body who’s not afraid to use it. Having a Vincour-Fiddler-Burish 3rd line would be a gem and essentially allow you the freedom to swap Ott and Vincour between the 2nd and 3rd lines as Glen sees fit (I know a big deal has been made about Otter being the 6th top 6 forward, but I’d like to see Glen use flexibility with that spot as well). If given the chance, I think Vincour can flourish in either role. Give him 9-10 games and see how it works out.
Alternatively, if the 2nd and 3rd lines are as set in stone as some beleive, then you have to send him down to Austin to play on their top line. He’ll only get more confident finding the back of the net down there with Fraser.
Agree with all this
If he’s with the big club, I want to see him on the third line and getting some time playing up if he earns it. If he’s going to be 4th line/healthy scratch, send him to CP.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Oct 2, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
If they use him often, I'm all for it.
He’s going to be more useful, more often than Godard will.
I just don’t want him to be wasting away keeping the bench warm. If he can get at least 12 minutes of ice time a game, then I want him in the NHL. If not, keep him down til he’s needed.
by Travis Drybread on Oct 2, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think they should rush his development
If rushed, he would probably end up having a career as a solid grinder, but if they take it slow he could end up being a solid power forward. Grinders are a dime a dozen but power forwards aren’t.
Id certainly rather see him in the AHL than the 4th line in the NHL but I think there could be a spot available for him higher up. If they are married to the idea of Ott as a top 6 (which they seem to be) Vincour may still be able to nab a 3rd line spot. Maybe the bottom 6 looks something like this
Wandell Fiddler Vincour
Dowell Burish Dvorak
That's what I want to see
I’d rather Dvorak and Burish on the 4th line. Burish is a fourth liner on a good team. Love what he brings and he showed he can play up last season, but if he’s on the fourth line it means you have a good team. Rather have young up and comers on the third line and see what they can do. Wandell needs a shot there to let him sink or swim.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Oct 2, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Just announced Godard was sent to the AHL
Guess that means Vincour is staying in Dallas.
Just saw the same thing.
Well things will start this way.
Good times are here and Stars will take what belongs to them. Sooner or Later.
I'd scratch Barch.
that leaves us with the lineup that looks like this:
Morrow-Ribeiro-Ryder
Ott-Benn-Eriksson
Wandell-Fiddler-Burish
Dvorak/Dowell-Peterson-Vincour
Scratches: Barch

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