Sean Avery Reports To AHL; Dallas Stars To Target Free Agent List?
by Brandon Worley on Oct 11, 2011 1:25 PM CDT
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PrintSean Avery has officially reported to the Connecticut Whale of the AHL today, and his $1.9 million salary cap hit is taken off the books of the New York Rangers. Unfortunately, this also means that Avery's $1.9 million cap hit for the Dallas Stars is now gone -- something we've been contemplating since last week since Avery was initially placed on waivers by the Rangers.
Last week we discussed the various possibilities of what the Stars could do in regards to the cap situation. One possibility we discussed was whether having Scott Glennie on IR while he was recovering from a concussion would be enough to handle the cap until it evened out for the year (roughly into the first week of November) but the Stars have said that Glennie's AHL salary will count against the cap while on IR and that is nowhere near enough to help this current situation.
Right now, the Stars are still above the cap floor. With Adam Pardy on injured reserve the Stars have Philip Larsen up from the AHL, whose cap hit is enough to lift the Stars above the floor. Yet Pardy will soon be ready to come off IR and there's a good chance he could play on Thursday. When that happens, Larsen would have to go back to the AHL and suddenly the Stars would fall beneath the cap floor.
Unfortunately, it seems that the Stars are going to need to do something to add to the cap hit for the team. Calling up another player from the AHL won't exactly work since there's no space and the salaries aren't high enough. Next option? Free agents...
There have not been anything close to signs that this is the route the Stars will take. Right now, it's all speculation and I think the Stars are still trying to determine the best route they can take that is best for the team. Unfortunately, it's a short-term solution to a problem that they don't exactly need; there's just not anyone on the street right now that is likely to step on the ice with the Stars and not only improve the cap hit but also improve the overall quality of the team.
The truly unfortunate effect of this situation is the options the Stars have with their young players. The team decided to send Eric Godard to the AHL to make a roster spot available for a young, impressive player from the preseason. While Vincour has struggled a bit (who on the Stars hasn't), he's likely to be the unfortunate victim of this entire mess and will probably find himself sent to the AHL through no fault of his own.
With the Stars needing a roster spot to make this supposed signing, Vincour would be the one to give it up. With Adam Pardy coming off IR and taking Larsen's spot, it's going to be Vincour who will ultimately lose out.
This also has ramifications for the rest of the season as well. With several prospects looking good down in Austin, the Stars will have to wait for injuries to occur for any call ups to happen -- and those will only be temporary.
In the interest of blindly throwing darts at the wall, I also went ahead and took a look at some possible free agent targets. None of the names are overwhelming -- there's a reason they're not playing with any teams right now. Also keep in mind that the Stars will likely have to spend over $1 million on a free agent to get above the cap floor. All that being said, here's some names I came up with, and their ages:
John Madden, C- 38
Michael Nylander, C - 39
Sergei Samsanov, LW/RW - 32
Todd White, C - 36
Chris Clark, RW - 35
Steve Bernier, RW - 26
Mike Grier, RW - 36
The list of players who wouldn't need to be vastly overpaid to help this team is very short. What is ironic -- and I don't want to pour salt on the wound -- is that Mike Modano's contract would actually have been needed right now. Modano's time has passed, however, and I still think that even with this problem facing the Stars now the decision to finally retire was the right one.
To me, Madden or Nylander would be the best choice for a) fixing the cap issue and b) actually having the skill to help this team up the middle. Scratch what I said just there -- Samsanov looks to be the better option, both as a versatile winger, a right shot and as someone who can still somewhat produce offensively.
What say you, Stars fans?
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Heika mentioned Sergi Samsonov
Some decent offensive depth there. We don’t need anymore left handed centers.
What...just...happened?
I don't know why I left him off the list.
I thought I had him on there. Maybe I thought he was in the KHL.
Compared to Madden or Nylander, he’s certainly a better choice. I’ll update the post.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 11, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Not crazy
about any of those. Reading speculation elsewhere regarding trades, there could be interesting options. Turris(unlikely), D’Agostini(would be awesome), Hecht, Stajan.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Oct 11, 2011 1:34 PM CDT reply actions
What about the Stars being at the 50 contract limit?
Is that a factor at all?
I’d go with Bernier I think. Young guy, shoots right. Could be a good fit somewhere in the bottom 6.
I still think a trade would be the best route, but if the Stars have to execute on the very day they go under the cap, then they don’t have much of a choice. If that’s the case, then it’s especially frustrating to me, because the Devils last season got to play OVER the cap, because they signed Kovy to such a huge deal, then had some injuries. They didn’t have to suffer any consequences from it. And now Dallas, through no fault of their own, have to act, and maybe ultimately hamper the development of one of the guys looking to break away from the AHL.
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Someone has pointed out
That at least three of those 50 contracts are to players who are under age 20 and currently in juniors, which means they actually don’t count towards the CBA definition of 50 contracts (though we thought they did for a while). So I think they would be okay for this year.
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Okay, well at least that problem is solved lol...
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There's talk that some of the contracts that haven't kicked in yet don't actually count toward the 50-player limit.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 11, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Give me youth
Bernier it is
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26, right wing, right shot...
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 11, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
disappointing career
But it’s not like the guy isn’t big and doesn’t put up SOME numbers. Seems like he’d be useful in the bottom six.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Oct 11, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
If you're trying to get over the cap floor I don't think him being right handed would matter
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Just habit.
I don’t think it’s a factor at all.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 11, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
No, but if you can pick between a few, a right shot would definitely be a better fit personnel wise.
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We suddenly have a plethora of right shots on the team.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 11, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Trouble is we still only have 1 in the top 6...
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Prove it.
I’ve seen no evidence that handedness matters. It might, but I’ve never seen proof.
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There were plenty of times last season where a rebound came out, and if the winger had been right handed, it would have been an easy goal.
Ryder had a puck come right to his stick in the first game of the season because he was a righty (Though he didn’t get to cash in).
Having a mix of leties and righties allows you to play some more angles that you wouldn’t otherwise. It tends to open the slot up a bit, IMO.
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Right, I understand the logic.
I’ve never seen any statistical proof that it makes a big impact though. It might, but I think it’s overblown. If you give me the 16 best right handed shots in the league as my forward group I guarantee you that group will win the Presidents Trophy.
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But since we're not signing the top 16 talent
and signing people who aren’t even playing for a team right now, the skill level of all those players are roughly equal. So why not get a guy who has that kind of fit, if they’re pretty much the same talent wise?
Might account for an additional goal or two during the season.
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I get what you're saying as well...
But I don’t think it’s going to matter in this case, since he’s not a top 6 forward anyway.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 11, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
but.... but.... right handed!
I give up.
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Intangibles matters much more than handedness!
So the question really is, who has the best intangibles?!?!
Avery would have loved to play with the Rangers this year...but he got STUCK ON AN OIL RIG. -- John Tortorella. (Well, not really)
Like Brandon said, I don't think it matters
But, I think they would be signing a top 16 talent if they sign any of Madden, Samsonov, White, or Bernier. Not necessarily a very valuable talent, but someone who can play in this league.
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Err...you meant in all of the NHL, not a player who can play in the NHL
scratch that
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haha, i was about to say "what in the heck is he smoking..."
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Yes but we don't need any sort of multi year deals
Benn, and Goose hitting RFA next year. We have cap space, but I want as much as possible for our run at Shea Weber. Yes, I’m going there and I’m not going back.
What...just...happened?
by RealDealNeal on Oct 11, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that guys that are currently not playing anywhere right now
Would welcome a one-year deal.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 11, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Can we sign Darren Sutherby?
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You think he's worth $1.2 million?
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 11, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
From what I've heard on twitter, Darren is the best.
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Darren:
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Last season #DarrenSutherby ‘Hit For The Cycle’ twice in one hockey game while playing for the Texas Mavericks #Fact #Printit
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IIRC
The sticking point for Bernier was he wanted a one-way deal and the Devils would only offer a two-way.
But I’m also not sold on the idea that he’s the best (though he is an intriguing possibility) or that his youth makes him a better option if it’s only going to be a one-year thing.
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NM makes a good point to me on Twitter
The Panthers didn’t want him back and he couldn’t get a job with the NJ Devils.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 11, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
More, in regards to him being 4th line player:
That works. As long as perceptions are tempered with reality. His days of being traded for Brian Campbell are long gone.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 11, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
So if Avery gets called back up, something sather has said is possible
Will it hit the cap?
What...just...happened?
Yes, it will go back against the cap.
But the Stars are still paying this salary no matter what, that hasn’t changed.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 11, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe so
But the Stars are paying him his salary anyways (it’s just not on the cap) so provided they don’t spend $14 million more on players between now and they, they should be fine.
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From Nucks Misconduct, regarding Steve Bernier:
I can’t stress enough what a bad idea that is
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To sign him for 2.5 mil and give him top 6 minutes
or to let him play 8 minutes a game?
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Apparently any option is bad.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 11, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
There are some pretty bad bottom 6 forwards in the NHL.
I’m not really advocating for him, but I find it hard to believe that he is THAT bad at this point. Maybe he is though.
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He was invisible at the Devils training camp. He looked like he was mailing it in the entire time.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Oct 11, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, there's a reason he wasn't kept.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 11, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
It's pretty remarkable that you can be that low on a totem pole and mail it in
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I just find it funny that Cam Janssen was able to beat him out for a roster spot. And Cam Janssen sucks.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Oct 11, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Mike Comrie still available
good grit forward. solid, Heard nothing but good things
I'll go on the record and say Krys Barch will have a career year 10/04/2011
First Willa
Now Lizzie Maguire. Please no.
What...just...happened?
by RealDealNeal on Oct 11, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey
Texas born Lizzie McGuire
I'll go on the record and say Krys Barch will have a career year 10/04/2011
by jordan.saleh on Oct 11, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
The Dallas Stars neededing new press announce a new reality show
Hockey Wives follow 3 players and there wives as they deal with day to day workings fo the NHL. Mike Modano and Willa Ford, Mike Comrie and Lizzie Maguire, and ……..
They make reality tv out of anything these days.
What...just...happened?
by RealDealNeal on Oct 11, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget Souray is dating the WWE diva.
There’s your trio!
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Maybe shes dating the NHL diva
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Lizzie rooting for Dallas?
Yes please.
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Not exactly the most awe inspiring list.
Maybe a trade is the better option.
I think we are kinda overlooking Chris Clark
I'll go on the record and say Krys Barch will have a career year 10/04/2011
Yeah, I considered him as well.
But is he worth $1.2 million?
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 11, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Are any of these players worth 1.2 million?
lol
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No doubt
Grier and Bernier could pull in 1.2 Million
IDK if they can keep up with their end of the deal
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by jordan.saleh on Oct 11, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
no way could they keep up their end of the deal
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1.2 million dollars isnt very much money in the NHL
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thats how much i think of the players on that list
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There's a reason they're unemployed right now, that's for certain.
But I think some of these guys might be better short term options than say — Barch.
Also makes me wonder what sort of long-term deal they’d look at. Just so dicey, because Nieuwendyk has no leverage in a deal like this.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 11, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
you got a point as well.......i guess if i would choose, give me samsonov
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No to Samsonov
He didn’t produce much offensively the last several years, no more than Madden who brings more to the table outside of scoring.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Oct 11, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree on Madden.
And he’s shown he can still stay healthy.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 11, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay, so we're down to Madden or Weber.
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heh lol....there's a hard decision.
but seriously….i guess Madden, I hadn’t been following him very much over the last couple yrs.
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If I have to go old I go with Madden
Though I seem to remember hearing that he has no wheels at all anymore, but I could be high.
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I'm also available
I’d take 1.2 mil, heck 1.5 or 2.0 if that helps the team. I’m pretty much a giver, amiright?
How much did we sign
Shayne Corson for when he made his comeback?
I'll go on the record and say Krys Barch will have a career year 10/04/2011
by jordan.saleh on Oct 11, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Well his deal he just got out of
was 2.8 Million a year. I think he can take a more than 50% pay cut
I'll go on the record and say Krys Barch will have a career year 10/04/2011
by jordan.saleh on Oct 11, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
correction
2.5 Million so a 50% pay cut
I'll go on the record and say Krys Barch will have a career year 10/04/2011
by jordan.saleh on Oct 11, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
If he can be 50% of what he was five years ago, then that would be sweet.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 11, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
That's who my money is on
Seems like he would be a better fit to our system
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by jordan.saleh on Oct 11, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd like to think that Joe would prefer to trade for a piece they can use
for years. The problem is that it’s easier said than done, and everyone in the league knows the Stars have to do something and they’d be at a huge disadvantage where negotiations are concerned.
The idea of signing someone off the scrap heap (and it is absolute scraps, why wouldn’t it be?) is so… distasteful.
I don't understand why they have to do something immediately.
That’s what stinks the most. Why not allow us to make a trade at some point later in the season?
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Because the salary cap is fluid game to game.
Not an end-of-the-year total.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 11, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Dumb.
Dumb dumb dumb.
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Yup
But it’s every day. Every day you have to be projected to be above the cap.
I agree it is dumb. There’s no question they’ll be on the hook for more than 48.3M cap hit by the end of the season. No question.
by Brad Gardner on Oct 11, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Mo comes out of retirement.
Signs a 2 year deal. Then retires again. Voila! Cap hit!
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What a cluster that would be.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 11, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
no kidding.
But it wouldn’t hamper the roster any.
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Nah, doesn't work like that
With a 35-and-over, multi-year deal, if the player retires in the first year of the contract, the rest of that year does not count against the cap (like in any regular retirement), though the rest of the years would.
At least, that’s what I read from various dubiously accurate sources who at least appear to have read the whole CBA.
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Ah. I thought if it was a multi year contract, all years counted against the cap.
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Yea it's kinda like High School pass or play
You gotta have your average above passing level before each game or face penalty
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by jordan.saleh on Oct 11, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Contract Extension?
for an existing, deserving player? Like maybe Jamie Benn? Would that solve the issue as well?
It won't take effect till next season
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by jordan.saleh on Oct 11, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Those are an extension of the existing contract.
Don’t affect the current cap year.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 11, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
nope, wouldn't count until next year.
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Or even rework a contract???
Like they do in the NFL all the time…. just move money around between years. Can they do that?
NHL unfortunately
doesn’t have that privilege
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by jordan.saleh on Oct 11, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
this one is tough
i say samsinov and for the love of god a new backup goaltender, raycroft kills me.
by the way worst e-news ever...
Fortify the backup Goalie with a one year deal.
What the Puck?
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im okay with this.
If its an Emery kind of guy
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by RealDealNeal on Oct 11, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I say the Stars make a blockbuster sign & trade for Shea Weber and just fix all their issues at once.
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That's what I've been saying with Parise.
The devils need a new goalie, and Bachman can fill that role! He’ll be part of the package deal of course.
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lol
I had to explain to Mark last night that you were only joking about that.
by Brad Gardner on Oct 11, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Joking?
With his salary, we’d only need him for like 4 games.
And then we could trade him for Weber!
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also....
I feel shamed if the press is talking about my dumb ideas.
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Every night in the press box
Someone starts a “Listen to this dumb effing tweet/email/comment I got…” conversation and it goes from there.
We were talking about this whole Sean Avery situation and Mark goes “They could always trade Bachman and Wandell for Parise” and he was smiling and looking at me when he said it bc he knows I saw it too.
Like I said, I explained to him that you were being sarcastic.
by Brad Gardner on Oct 11, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
lol well at least someone knew I wasn't serious.
Maybe on deadline day, if they can’t re-sign him, they’ll trade him. But it would take more than those 2 to get him.
We could throw in Barch, like it’s suggested below. Problem solved.
Honestly, though, while he’s a 40 goal scorer, I don’t know if we want him. His salary is just too much, and we’ve got our future to think about.
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Man I hope so.
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That'd be nice, wouldn't it?
I have an ongoing love affair with Tom Wandell, but it's not gay at all, trust me
Just add up
as many players as it takes for their offensive output to equal Parise’s..and it’s a fair trade!
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Oct 11, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, I think that would put us further under the cap.
Especially if we’re including Barch.
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Yeah I know
I was just highlighting how much we pay non goal scorers/healthy scratches :-)
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DUHHH
Why didn’t we all think of that? I expect an announcement this afternoon. Makes too much sense. I’m pumped!!!
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Oct 11, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
If only we could wait until we have a new owner in place.
Then it might be feasible.
Or at least a little more likely than “impossible”
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that is def. still part of the problem
It’s not like the Stars are in position to take on a giant contract in a trade, how much wiggle room do they really have? The budget is as low as physically possible it seems but the cap is now an issue. I think we can all agree that we are very very enthusiastic that this multi-year gong show of an ownership debacle is coming to an end.
by brendan1 on Oct 11, 2011 3:18 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I think the context of this potential signing
Is getting somewhat lost. No, none of these player are really going to come in and “earn” 1.5 million. Nor are they potential top 6 forwards. but really who cares? Its a cap relief signing. So let’s treat it that way, I personally like J.Madden. He was with Chicago on their cup team and was a great leadership presence and team mate. He kills penalties, I believe he was a decent face-off guy? And has always been a notable 2 way forward. I would rather have someone like that, over say a Samsanov type player who is more one dimensional IMO.
by brendan1 on Oct 11, 2011 2:51 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
And honestly
Samsonov probably doesn’t produce any more offense than Madden. Production from the two was pretty similar the last several years.
by StarzenheimerSchmidt on Oct 11, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but why not trade for somebody who CAN make a difference while adding to cap?
Trade one of two players for a good forward.
It's the budget that's the issue too.
I think Joe said they have about 1.5-$2m max left to work with on the budget.
Well, this is it.
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Well, yeah, but if we give up some players in the trade, their salary won't hit out cap, right?
So by trading, say, 2 players with $1-1.5 mil contracts and taking on additional $1.5mil we could afford a decent center for $3.5-4 mil.
Yeah, that seems like a difficult move to pull off though, especially this young in the season.
Everyone jsut got through signing their players and forming their roster. Not many teams are going to be looking for a trade right now. And those that WOULD be willing to trade know what kind of a spot the Stars are in right now. They’ll bend Joe over backwards if they get the chance (which they won’t). Unfortunately, it makes a trade highly unlikely.
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It's like Brewster's Millions!!
The Stars are now Richard Pryor! All we have to do is buy a 1.2 million dollar stamp…and then mail it!
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Bernier
Bernier on a one year contract for enough that we can send Vincour and Glennie down without consequence. This’ll be his super we-mean-it-this-time last chance, but he could still come into his own. He’s big, he’s a right shot.
Or add Owen Nolan as a fourth liner. Because he’s Owen $&#**^% Nolan.
I came in here to throw Owen Nolan's name on the pile of well past their prime old dudes without jobs
He did some things in VAN’s camp, and would provide a solid veteran presence. I don’t recall a thing he did in Minnesota though, so I dunno.
by PrussianBlue on Oct 11, 2011 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
i heard Carl Gunnarsson's $1.325 mil is being used as bait in toronto
but do we really need to add a defenseman?
i like madden
he’s more then defensivley responsible. why not? we have to do something
GET OFF NIEUWENDYK'S NUTS
Madden is my choice, too.
I mean, if that Barch for Parise trade can’t be worked out.
I bet Joe could talk him into it...
“Barch for Parise straight up yes or no answer now don’t think just answer what’s it gonna be make the trade you should do it make the trade yes or no it’s a steal cmon on do it!”
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Parise is my favorite player in the league
I’d die if he somehow ended up in a Stars jersey. But I don’t think Joe is quite that good.
I don't know too much about him honestly. Other than he's a top point producer in the league.
But trading for rental players always makes me nervous. More often than not, you give up for more than what the player turns out to be worth.
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He's a crease wizard at heart
Very fast, a little on the short side but he’s a heart and soul guy. Incredible scoring instincts, reasonable shot.
He’s gonna wind up in Los Angeles. The Kings made a huge bid for Kovalchuk last summer because of their huge hole at left wing, but the Devils got him and because of that contract they won’t be able to afford Parise. The Devils will collapse, and Quick/Bernier will begin to look very attractive as Brodeur ages. Penner and Bernier will go to New Jersey for Parise and Hedberg. Core of the trade is Bernier and Parise, Penner to free space for the kings and fill space on the devils until his contract expires and Hedberg to back the kings up for their cup run. You heard it here first
This week, most likely
Once Pardy comes off IR, we are officially below the cap floor unless we acquire a higher salary somehow
I saw trade
i’m not a fan of signing from the scrap heap just to fill a hole in the finances. As for who to trade and for whom, well, i’m not Joe but i trust him to get it right. Hopefully it’l involve us getting a new back up goalie one way or the other
The problem is being able to execute a good trade this early in the season, when everyone knows what you need to do.
It would probably come out to the equivalent of the scrap heap signing.
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I think Samsanov
may be the best option out of these. Madden has terrific experience and leadership, but we already have some pretty good 3rd and 4th line players with Fiddler, Burish, Dowell, Dvorak etc. Samsanov, if he’s anywhere close to being in form, would provide some offensive touch. Something that we apparently need to address, in light of games 1-3. So if these are the choices, give me Samsanov.
so you rather bring in an old 1 year rental
And take top 6 minutes away from potentially good young players like Vincour, Wandell(if he starts showing some flare), Ott, Fiddler even. It doesn’t make any sense on this team. We have a pretty good top 6 with Loui, Benn, Ryder, Ribs, Morrow, insert young player here. If your gonna sign an old dude makes way more sense to get someone who can play in multiple situations and is known for being a good leader/teammate.
by brendan1 on Oct 11, 2011 6:46 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Why do you want a washed up old guy to play top 6 minutes?
If we’re signing a guy for a 1 year rental in this kind of situation, I rather have a role player with experience and leadership. At least, he can rub off on the younger players.
My Thoughts
The only free agents that are even worth signing in my opinion are Samsonov, Madden and Bernier. Bernier has one last shot to prove he belongs in the NHL, could have a great season if given the opportunity. If GMJN went the trade route I would love to see him acquire Matt Stajan, I know he has a $3.5M caphit for the next 3 years but he’s only 27 and some Flames fans say that he should be there #1 C, but the coaches tend to disagree. Could get him for pretty cheap.
Other players I wouldnt mind coming our way:
-Matt D’Agostini (RW, 21goals 46points +8 last year, put him with Benn and Eriksson)
-Kyle Turris (Highly unlikely and would want a lot of money, but has loads of potential)
A trade for either D'Agostini or Turris would be...interesting.
In that I’d be really interested to see what they’d have to give up…especially 3 games into the season.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 11, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Turris is unbelievably tantalizing
We have a bit of a dirth of young center icemen. Hopefully we’d be able to get him for Wandel, Fistric and maybe some picks, and then sign him for a large enough amount to make ends meet. It depends on how close they are in the holdout, if we wait long enough his value is sure to go down with Phoenix, but we may not have that long.
Blues aren’t giving up D’Agostini
I dont want to play fistric for the rest of the season
Wandell has done great thus far. Looks like he has his wheels back. However, if a package is made those 2 are good pieces that work with picks.
What...just...happened?
by RealDealNeal on Oct 11, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know....maybe it's just him wanting out of Phx
Which I can’t blame him for. However I’m still always hesitant to want guy who is demanding like 3 or 4 mil a season with 40 career NHL points. I don’t like how Doughty held the Kings ransom like he did or that massive cap hit. And I def. dont like how Turris is doing it after an astounding 11goals 25 points….
by brendan1 on Oct 11, 2011 6:56 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I will clarify
I do like that he has that massive cap hit and the Kings are tight for cap room now…..
by brendan1 on Oct 11, 2011 6:58 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
If we have to sign someone
then I say we sign a new backup goalie. I’m losing faith in Raycroft fast. Lehtonen is amazing but we all know from last year that he can’t play every game.
This is a completely random idea...
But I hear that the Oilers are looking for a puck moving d man after they have suffered injuries etc to their blue line. Makes you wonder if they might be tempted by a Larsen, Wandell (possibly a goalie) for someone like Ales Hemskey/Shawn Horcoff or even (a complete fantasy of course) Magnus Paajarvi/Jordan Eberle. Probably an insane/impossible trade but as we are throwing out ideas I thought I might as well see what people thought of a possible trade along those lines.
Yes this is true...
Though his cap hit would definitely get us over the cap floor I’m unsure we would be able to take his $4.1 million hit… But if healthy he could be quite useful. I mean in his last two seasons (which were injury hit) he was a point per game guy.
If the Oilers traded away MP or Eberle, Derek Zona may physically harm Tambellini.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 11, 2011 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Somehow I don't think that kind of trade would happen...
I mean… they aren’t actually the Maple Leafs (I think they are well known for having made quite bad decisions in trades etc) Maybe we should try and do a trade with them instead… What about Bozak/MacArthur/Grabovski… Ha
(I think they are well known for having made quite bad decisions in trades etc)
Phaneuf & Franson for Lebda trades were “okay”. Kessel deal will be an eternal debate.
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by nhlcheapshot on Oct 11, 2011 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
JP Dumonts a free agent too
And yeaa a new backup wouldn’t be bad.. Isles have montoya, dipietro and Nabokov.. Trade Fistric wandell and get something back in return
by 91_Stars_21 on Oct 11, 2011 8:17 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I used to watch Al Montoya play for the Hartford Wolfpack.
Dude is crazy.
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by Brandon Worley on Oct 11, 2011 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I initially thought Madden...
… But after I gave it a little thought, I feel Samsanov would be a better fit.
Any possibility a trade could be on the blocks to obtain a better player? I know the Stars would take a further reduction against the cap dollar wise if shedding a player from the team, but could allow them to go for a better player with a bigger contract.
Or is that totally out of the question?
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by MurrayW on Oct 11, 2011 8:58 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
Don't think it's out of the question
But probably a long shot. The sale is not done, so the budge is still tight, and everyone else in the league knows the Stars are in a desperate situation. Being completely backed against the wall, we can’t make the great moves.
Thinking out of the box
Could we get somebody from Europe?
Problem with somone from Europe
Is that the player would have to clear waivers if he has played any games this season. Since the teams lower in the standing get first choice, there would be 22 teams today that would get the opportunity to grab him before he could clear waivers. See: Nabokov.
Anyone worth having on a team worth $1.2 mil would probably not make it through waivers.
I still don't understand why we can't just let this ride a bit.
Give it some lip service like the Devils did to being over the cap. I have never seen what the penalties are for being under the cap.
loss of draft picks and fines.
And the difference between the Devils and us is that they paid players too much money, while we paid too little.
Guess which scenario the NHLPA would have a real problem with?
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