Poll: Who's The Best Dallas Stars Captain?
[Editor's Note: Another great Fanpost by C. Bob, as this time he raises the question on who could be thought of as the "best Dallas Stars captain". We'll ignore the exclusion of Mark Tinordi and Neal Broten from the voting -- although I'd be curious how many current Stars fans even remember Tinordi at all.]
With the All-Star break and the recent article on Brenden Morrow's resurgence, I figured this would be as good a time as any to post up a poll I've had on my mind for some time.
People've talked about the Stars' captain's attributes, both well-known and less-considered. While it's probably safe to say that he's playing his best hockey right now, and he's really helping the team right now, is he the best the Stars have had? As with my previous poll, I'll list off the three candidates and allow you to make your own conclusions.
Derian Hatcher - #2
- Length of stay: 12 seasons (1991-2003)
- Length of captaincy: 9 seasons (1995-2003)
- Accomplishments: Played in 1997 NHL All-Star Game, helped win 1999 Stanley Cup, first American captain to win the Stanley Cup, 2003 Norris Trophy finalist, named to the 2003 NHL Second All-Star Team, peak point scoring of 30 points (9 goals, 21 assists) in 1998-99, plus-minus rating of +37 in 2002-03
- Highlights: Averaged over 29 minutes on the ice during the '99 playoffs. Broke Jeremy Roenick's jaw.
- Lowlights: Left the team for the rival Detroit Red Wings. Though not a moment with the Stars, had an awful time in the 1998 Winter Olympics.
- Special Skills: Delivered crushing hits, such as this unfortunate blow to Petr Sykora. Capable fighter, and the one of the two players who were voted to have a win over Eric Lindros. Described by teammates as a good leader. (Watch Hatcher in action here in the aftermath of Darryl Sydor's injury.)
- Weaknesses: Rather slow on his skates, though not quite as slow as popularly considered. While great defensively, not the strongest offensive player.
Mike Modano - #9
- Length of stay: 21 seasons (1989-2010)
- Length of captaincy: 3 seasons (2003-2006)
- Accomplishments: Helped win 1999 Stanley Cup, played in 2003 and 2004 All-Star Games, all-time American point-scorer, peak point scoring (as captain) of 21 goals and 50 assists in 2005-06
- Highlights: All that lightning-fast skating, with his jersey flapping in the breeze behind him. Consistently great performances prior to his captaincy. Played through a broken wrist in the latter part of the '99 playoffs, and was involved in every goal in the Stars' last three games against the Sabres. Was the main functioning part of the '00 squad's otherwise anemic offense.
- Lowlights: Lost the captaincy to Brenden Morrow after only three years. Stood on the sidelines while Steve Ott was pounded on by a gaggle of Ducks, then criticized him afterwards.
- Special Skills: Blazing-fast, talented offensively-bent, defensively-capable forward. Made brilliant plays and could carry the team's offense. Great at handling the marketing part of the sport.
- Weaknesses: Not very physical, especially later on in his career. Has trouble with self-motivation.
Note: This is not intended to bash Mike Modano. He's the best player in the team's history. This merely intends to provide a factual perspective of his captaincy and leadership skills. Revised thanks to input from regular 1paniolo.
Brenden Morrow - #10
- Length of stay: 11 seasons and counting (1999-present)
- Length of captaincy: More than 4 seasons, and counting (2006-present)
- Accomplishments: Played in the NHL Young Stars game at the 2002 NHL All-Star Game. Led Stars to 2008 Western Conference Finals. Though not with the Stars, won gold medal with Canada in the 2010 Winter Olympics. Peak point-scoring of 32 goals and 42 assists in the 2007-08 season.
- Highlights: Too many to even list, but we'll hit a few of the highlights of the highlights. Played through a broken bone in the 1999-2000 playoffs. Proved how valuable he was to the team by his absence in 2008-09. Very classy in handling the Sean Avery issue. Dropped the gloves with Tim Gleason. Had his nose broken, put on a visor, and proceeded to play even better than before.
- Lowlights: Injured for most of the 2008-09 season. Refused to fight Sean Avery, who was hated by all Stars, and who was running his teammates, for fear of injury in a game in 2010. Played uninspired hockey prior to and after the 2010 Winter Olympics.
- Special Skills: Consistently physical and gritty player. Top-tier goal-scorer and capable defensive forward. Competent fighter. A complete player.
- Weaknesses: Physical style can result in injuries.
Just like before, there's only three players on this list. I could have listed Mark Tinordi or Neal Broten, but both of them are primarily known for their time with Minnesota, not Dallas, and I don't think anyone would rank their achievements as high as the three above... even if #9 gets by mostly on playing skills, rather than leadership.
As far as those achievements, I primarily tried to list the stuff they did as captains, although some other things (like the '99 Cup win) slipped in. Fortunately, two of these players have spent most of their notable Stars career as captain, and the other one is a definite underdog in this poll, so it isn't a huge problem.
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I'm kind've at a loss for this tossup.
Hatcher was the captain when I was a kid, and he’s still one of my favorite players. I love the physicality, the grit, the nasty side, and all of that. Unfortunately, though, it was a long time ago, and my memory isn’t exactly clear as to all of what he did. His teammates agree that he was a great captain, but I can’t point to as many single incidents of it because I wasn’t around then (except for the classic Roenick hit).
Morrow, on the other hand, has tons of highlights. It isn’t hard at all to find the stuff he did right. I also think he is one of the best NHL captains today, and a lock for at least the #2 best Stars captain (in franchise history).
This matchup isn’t clear-cut for me as the goalie discussion was. The only thing that’s clear is that Modano isn’t in the conversation… he was a great player and assistant (one might say “honorary” assistant, but still) captain, but as the #1, leadership guy, he left much to be desired. I know Sean Avery isn’t a credible source, but his remarks on Modano and Turco stifling his style intrigue me… I think Burish fits in better than Avery ever could have, but it makes me wonder if Burish wouldn’t have been able to have such a positive effect on the team chemistry if Modano was still around. If so, that would have been a huge loss for the Stars.
I’m not sure how I’ll vote yet. I’ll wait for y’all’s opinions.
Also: I’m sorry that the article’s appearance, with the link colors, player names, and lack of photos, is so sloppy. I tried to make it look all right, but the auto-tagger, while it recognizes Hatcher, Modano, Ott, Sykora, etc., etc., refuses to acknowledge Morrow’s existence. I don’t know why the Roenick link is underlined. It’s a really frustrating thing for me, and it’d be nice if the blog editor was a little more clear as to how this could be fixed up okay. “WYSIWYG” doesn’t quite apply to the experience of using it; all the visual details are usually about there, but there’s these irritating quirks that pop up after the fact.
"I've always considered myself as good (as), or better than Patrick." - Ed Belfour
(By “I wasn’t around then”, I mean that I was technically around, but I wasn’t really clued in then. I was aware of what was going on, in a general sense, like that Ed Belfour was the goalie, the Stars were doing well, etc., but I didn’t know as much about individual or specific details. I was just a kid then.)
"I've always considered myself as good (as), or better than Patrick." - Ed Belfour
I'll go in and look at the coding to see why the links are showing up differently.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 30, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Just tinkered with it a bit.
The code is probably still pretty ugly, but at least it looks pretty enough on the outside now.
Hopefully I’ll be able to do a better job next time.
"I've always considered myself as good (as), or better than Patrick." - Ed Belfour
All righty, finally voted.
Morrow is a great captain and leader…
…but when I think of “the captain of the Dallas Stars”, Hatcher’s name is the one that most readily comes to mind.
"I've always considered myself as good (as), or better than Patrick." - Ed Belfour
Hatcher for me
and its not really even close for me. The way I see it, the results are based on the team’s success and seeing as how important Hatcher was in leading the Stars to the cup, he’s an easy choice imo. Now if Morrow were to take the Stars to the Cup this year, hmmm….
hatch hatch hatch
and not just because i idolized the guy growing up.
derian hatcher was everything you could possibly want in a captain. the only downside is that he left for a rival (in his hometown), after hicks refused to give him market value on an extension… but hell, if modano can be forgiven for that (by some) why not hatch?
at least derian has since expressed his regret with ever wearing a winged wheel.
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The major difference
Hatcher went to the dark side close to the peak of his abilities, while he was the captain of a Stanley Cup level team and he did it for money.
Modano wanted to play in Dallas, but was forced out at the end of his glorious career.
Loved Big Daddy, voted for him in this poll. But really hated how that played out. 2 sides to every story of course.
I can't take a vote.
During the Hatcher days I was a young kid in East Texas where hockey coverage was a joke. But I’m going to give it to him when you consider (if Bob’s stats are accurate and I have no reason to believe otherwise) he was the captain for 9 years. But I’ll be damned if Morrow doesn’t represent everything this team has always been about. Heart, grit, and a true passion for having one more goal than the guy you’re playing. It truly is a toss up.
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Your bias against Modano shows!
That anyone would take the word of Sean Avery over Modano or Turco is stunning and frankly devalues your opinion in my mind. To even mention that episode which occurred 5+ years after Modano was captain is disingenuous at best.
If you had stuck to facts from during the period each was captain would be better. Fact is the Stars entered a period of under performing during the playoffs after Hatcher bailed and Modano was named captain. Don’t think most of that was his fault. But don’t think he was best choice for a team in that situation either. Now if he had been captain in the late 90’s with the kind of leadership depth that team had, we might well be saying Mo was the best captain ever. Who knows? But at that time he wasn’t a good fit.
My vote; Hatcher, Morrow, Modano. Funny how that follows the best playoff results of the team. Then again, which comes first … chicken or egg?
I did stick primarily to the facts.
In the article, though, I mentioned things I felt were relevant to an evaluation of their leadership skills. My comments about Avery were not in the actual article.
Besides, this isn’t a case of Avery vs. Modano. I mentioned myself that I’m not sure how credible a source he is. Regardless of that, when they were here, the locker room had issues, as other sources can attest. Now that they aren’t here, things are fine, as is common knowledge. Does this mean Mo (and Turco) caused the problems? No, it doesn’t, not necessarily, but it does make you wonder. I leave you to make your own conclusions about that.
"I've always considered myself as good (as), or better than Patrick." - Ed Belfour
While I don't fully believe Avery's words
I wouldn’t fully discredit a little bit of what he said.
Sounds like the only bias here is yours against Avery.
I don’t like Avery either, but it’s well-documented that neither Modano or Turco gave Avery a chance, and they whined about locker room problems to the media. Nothing he said in that interview was questionable or shocking. Modano’s struggles with motivation are also well-documented.
Just because he’s the greatest Star of all time doesn’t mean he doesn’t have any weaknesses, and it’s kinda sad that anyone who dares points them out gets immediately jumped on as a Modano hater.
I didn't say anyone was a Modano hater.
I said someone giving Avery’s words any credence in this situation devalued their following opinion to me. And I stand by that. I did say Mo was not a good fit for captain. Didn’t think he would be when it happened and don’t think it was now. Though they didn’t have a lot of options when Hatcher bailed either. As you can see below I actually ranked Mo #3 on this list.
I was fully willing to give Avery a chance. He never took it. He never tried to fit in here. Disrupted team practices and went directly against his coaches instructions. In only 20 games here no less! And someone is willing to consider that team leaders erred by trying to get him into line? Avery 2 years later making an “apology” by blaming team leaders who only had the overall teams interest at heart was absurd. Anyone who cuts him slack for that is not sticking up for the Stars, the same way Modano was criticized for not sticking up for Ott, which also happened well after he was captain. Riberio, Robidas and Eriksson were all on the ice too for that unfortunate incident too by the way. I never read any quotes from Modano after that incident criticizing Ott … link?
Found the link for you.
It took me a little bit of time, but here it is.
Tippett, Robidas, and, unsurprisingly, Sydor are all disappointed with the situation.
Modano’s reaction, though, is not particularly positive… which is not cool, considering that he’s always depended on people like Ott to cover him, and considering that Ott was trying his best to fill in for Brenden Morrow at the time.
Also: The question here isn’t if Avery would have fit in if Modano wasn’t here, because we all agree he wouldn’t have. The question is whether or not Modano (and Turco) might have had a negative effect on some people who are agreed to be great for team chemistry, like Adam Burish. Sean Avery isn’t the most credible source, but if his statements seem to be in line with what we already know, I don’t think that considering the possibility there might be some truth to them is such a crazy and unreasonable idea… nor that the mere fact that it was Sean Avery that said it should automatically weaken every other part of my comments.
"I've always considered myself as good (as), or better than Patrick." - Ed Belfour
I remember that game.
To me Modano will always be so called “untouchable”…
But that comment wasn’t fair.
When they were in Boston… Modano said the right things, in my book. But that wasn’t fair and I still think it was kind of first time that I just looked other way, since it’s Mike, but since it’s not a cool thing to say about other in your team…
by Henri Muroke on Jan 31, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks for looking up the quotes.
Robidas response was the correct one for someone on the ice. “I should have probably stepped in there and done something. I know he would do something, if I were in trouble, he’d come and rescue me.”
Modano should have said something like that instead of trying to justify it. The guys on the ice didn’t have to fight, just get in there and make a big scrum out of it.
I didn’t think the question was about " whether or not Modano (and Turco) might have had a negative effect on some people who are agreed to be great for team chemistry" but about who was best captain. I was actually saying it was time for Modano and Turco to move on last Feb. But team chemistry is never about someone being right, or wrong. It’s about how the pieces fit as a whole. Different mixes may have been great with those guys.
I still feel mentioning a couple of episodes from a low point of the Stars team at the end of Modanos career as having any relevance to Modanos tenure as captain over 5 years prior is wrong. Especially if not mentioning the things he did before he was captain to inspire the team. That said, I ranked Modano #3 on the list below.
And I still feel anyone not putting 100% of the blame on Avery for his situation is pursuing an individual agenda.
No prob.
Well, the question I was referring to was the subthread we started on, which is indeed very close to “whether Modano (and Turco) might have had a negative effect”, etc., etc., and not the original article’s question (“who’s the best captain”).
I think that listing Modano’s performances in those good seasons (1998-2000) was fair, and covers a lot of the good stuff that he did, but perhaps I was too vague. Mentioning more things such as his playing through a broken wrist (which no doubt would have helped inspire the team) would have been a good thing to do. I thought about making one or two tweaks to this article anyway, so I figure I might throw that and similar stuff in.
It’s true that Modano didn’t do any of the negative things I listed while he was captain. However, I still feel that these incidents may be useful in giving us more information about his overall leadership skills. As the oldest remaining member of the team, he acquired a leadership status that I feel is nearly functionally equivalent to that of the captaincy… just like how the goalie doesn’t need any special ranking (because he’s the goalie; he stands out by default), I feel that Modano, as a legendary American hockey player and Star, had a very important leadership role, whether he liked it or not, even if he wasn’t team captain at the time. The players even mentioned what it would be like losing the veteran presence in the locker room, after Modano and Turco left. Thus, while it didn’t happen exactly during his tenure, I think that including this information is still justifiable.
That said, while I at least thought I tried to give a balanced perspective, I probably didn’t live up to that as much as I would have liked to, and I’m sorry for that. If I had tried harder, I could have probably come up with more positive information for Mo, and I’ll see if I can get some of that in in the near future.
"I've always considered myself as good (as), or better than Patrick." - Ed Belfour
And yes, I was probably wrong when I implicitly tried to defend my lack of bias earlier.
"I've always considered myself as good (as), or better than Patrick." - Ed Belfour
Just noticed you took the Avery reference
out of your article. Really wasn’t asking you to do that, but I do feel everything in there now is factual and based on independent confirmation. I probably overreacted to that, but giving Avery’s self serving words some credence must have been waving a red flag in my eyes.
Like I said I was willing to give Avery a chance. But he never did anything for the Stars but think of himself. Then he finally gets around to apologizing, but tries to say others made him do it. Others who devoted their entire careers to the Stars and often sacrificed individual glory for the team.
Anyways, I think we are in agreement on the ranking of our best captains in Dallas.
Well, the thing is is, I don't think it was in the article to begin with.
It was in the comments (and if you look, the part that I think you disliked is actually still there), but I didn’t include Avery’s name, or claims, in the article.
I did take the reference to Modano’s automagically improving the locker room by leaving out… that might’ve been based a little on Avery’s statement, but I think it was mostly other stuff that gave me the idea, not just Avery. It’s hard to remember now, though.
Anyway, it doesn’t really matter how or why it got there; it gave the article an awfully harsh tone, and makes Modano even being on the list at all something of a farce, so I think removing it was the right thing to do.
And yes, I’d say we’re in agreement, regarding both the ranking of Stars captains, and Avery’s contributions (or rather lack thereof) to the team.
"I've always considered myself as good (as), or better than Patrick." - Ed Belfour
I probably did just read your first comment
as part of the article as far as the A reference. It was probably just me. I know I am quick to defend anyone who wears a Star. Especially those guys that spent their entire careers sacrificing for the team. I even have a soft spot for our home grown guys that leave for other teams and keep one eye on them in their new homes. Not so much the free agents that come and go, but the guys who came up through our system. I have no problem recognizing when others can do certain things better, but I usually have a big problem when someone starts ripping on them. (not directed at you in any way).
Alls good. I love ya’ man!
Right now, there can be no doubt that it's Hatcher,
I love Morrow, really I do. But Hatcher just had this commanding presence — he was one of the best captains in the entire NHL during the late 90s.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 30, 2011 12:41 PM CST reply actions
All you need to know about his leadership abilities...
…can be summed up by the amount of JR’s blood that was left on the ice at Reunion Arena on April 14, 1999.
I remember after the hit JR put on Modano 3 weeks earlier, Keith Tkachuk was chirping if the Stars had a problem with the hit, do something about it.
Hatcher did.
And any question of the Stars’ resolve to stick up for one another disappeared after that hit.
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by Brandon Bibb on Jan 30, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
I'd have voted Morrow if not for last season.
His trying real hard for the Olympics and not the rest of the season rubbed me the wrong way.
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There's not much of a debate when you consider everything
We all pretty much agree Hatcher was it. It should be more of a debate in a few years.
I thought immediately of Hatch...
…but then I remember that we offered him that same exact contract that he took to go to his “hometown” Wings and that ended it for me.
Forget only making about their time as Captain. Also include their great moments…
I was aware and liked that new kid Morrow the entire season in ‘00. He just had this grit to him… much more impressive than Todd Harvey… I had already bought my Morrow jersey… but the 00 playoffs cemented my love and respect for him. On one leg, the other a broken ankle hobbling and still trying to have a go of things…
… and then he comes back during the series. I really thought he was out and it sucked being Game 1 against the Avs… but when I heard he was gonna be in for Game 4….. Yeah, he’s the ultimate heart guy.
Gotta include their full body of work here. Morrow is “da man”.
Lack of a Cup sucks… but there’s still time to correct that deficiency.
Gotta be Hatcher
but if Morrow keeps up what he’s done over the last month or two, my opinion could change.
by Travis Drybread on Jan 31, 2011 5:34 PM CST reply actions

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