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Is a Mike Ribeiro Trade Still Possible?

If baseless rumor mongering has a place (and a time) in this hockey world of ours, mid August might just be it. At a time when we're scrounging for news in every nook and cranny we can get to, an off hand comment made on Twitter in passing by someone at a big network qualifies, and that's just what we have today.

What follows should be taken lightly, and for what it is; Perhaps not taken seriously in the slightest. I know I'm not.

EJ Hradek, of ESPN.com fame (@ejhradek_espn) was asked yesterday if he thought it possible that Mike Ribeiro still be moved. He responded as such...

RT @mikehhockey: Do U think the Stars will still trade Mike Ribeiro? EJHradek_ESPN: I think they'd lk 2, but they cant find the right deal

RT @Overkamp: wht kind of return do U think they're looking 4 (Ribeiro)? EJHradek_ESPN: i'd think they'd wnt a top 4 puck-moving D

Nothing new there. We've all known they were dangling his name out there. We were led to believe that a trade was imminent at the draft in Los Angeles and we were bracing ourselves to hate it, but it never came. Player movement died down and so did the rumors. It seems Mike Ribeiro will be a Dallas Star next season, and personally I don't think that is such a bad thing.

There was speculation that the decision to let Mike Modano go signaled a white flag on the Ribeiro front. It was assumed by many that if Ribeiro were moved, Modano would be needed and his role would be significantly greater. The Stars have enough centers (and potential centers, including Benn) that this is not necessarily the case, though their supposed strength down the middle would be greatly compromised.

So while this is a case of idle bemusement and speculation on a long hot summer day...a "the news is there is no news" kind of thing, there's still the question of what we would think about such a deal now that we've had this time to think about it. In most cases, the answer will be "depends on what comes back."

Others have some sort of odd disdain for Mr. Ribeiro and want to see him gone, despite all that he has done here. I would be dismayed to see him anywhere in the West, personally. He would love to hurt the Stars if he were sent packing, you can be sure of that. We all know he could, too. He may not be a perfect fit here, and his faceoff % makes me cringe just thinking about it, but he's a wizard with the puck.

We've seen commenters from other SB Nation communities here belittle the thought and dismiss Ribeiro as not being worth much, but in the right situation and with only adequate help on his line (seriously, it's not like Brenden Morrow is an offensive power house and look what they've done for three seasons...) he could easily get you 70-80 points; Not something to scoff at.

Meanwhile, the Kaberle rumors have hit their 14th or 15th month stride and now the reports are that 7 teams (or as many as 10 now, depending on where you look) have made offers, none of which have tickled the Leafs' collective fancy yet. Do you think the Stars are one of those teams? I rather hope not.

Without Ribeiro, would the Stars be OK at the center position next season? Would such a trade, depending on the return, need to be viewed as short term pain for long term gain?

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I don't understand what all this disdain for ribs is about...

he had one bad season trying to adjust to a new system… let’s see how he plays for this season before we look at trading him by the deadline. But if he doesn’t improve by the halfway point, then yeah, let’s trade him in for a d-man. (assuming our defense doesn’t miraculously improve on its own this season.

But I don’t disdain him at all. I dain him.

by Tsudbury on Aug 9, 2010 11:10 AM CDT reply actions  

A lot of people

…formed their opinion from a single youtube video while he was with the Canadiens.

They don’t see how hard he works in practice. They don’t watch him every game. They didn’t see how much he did for this team down the stretch the year that Richards (And Modano and Petersen, etc) were hurt and he was the only center, creating all the offense for the whole team himself.

He has his flaws, sure, but he’s also a magician. People don’t have all the information, or they don’t care. I’m sure I make comments about people that I don’t know that well either. We all do it.

by Brad Gardner on Aug 9, 2010 11:23 AM CDT reply actions  

I adore Ribs,

but I think it would make sense to trade him. He’s not getting any younger, and we do need a defenseman. Trade him before his value decreases.

I’d personally prefer to trade Morrow, but his NMC or NTC or whatever makes that difficult. I’ll give him another chance to pull things together, but I didn’t like what I saw last season.

Here's to all us girls who love hockey...and the men who play it.

by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Aug 9, 2010 11:25 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

that might be the worst idea i have ever heard. You sir are a class 1 idiot.

by dmackay14 on Aug 9, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey now.

It’s okay to disagree, but personal attacks aren’t cool here at DBD.

I usually balk at the idea of trading Morrow too….I definitely think that if the Leafs think they’re getting Ribs AND Morrow for Kaberle, they’re dreaming.

by Pat Iversen on Aug 9, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually I'm a lady,

but it’s ok. We’re all entitled to our opinions.

Here's to all us girls who love hockey...and the men who play it.

by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Aug 9, 2010 3:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Why thank you, boys :)

Here's to all us girls who love hockey...and the men who play it.

by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Aug 9, 2010 5:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

+1

You handled that with more professionalism than Sean Avery ever would.

by Tyler Bouldin on Aug 10, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

P.S.

Welcome to DBD.

Here's to all us girls who love hockey...and the men who play it.

by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Aug 9, 2010 3:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

lol...

It’s a great first post that really sets the tone for things to come :-)

by Tsudbury on Aug 9, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know, right?

Here's to all us girls who love hockey...and the men who play it.

by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Aug 9, 2010 3:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Do you all remember

what he did when he came back from his throat injury? He jump started the team. For that reason alone, he should stay.

And I hope Crawford gives him the green light in the shootout this season. As long as the puck crosses the line, who cares how it got there?

by Mike Russo on Aug 9, 2010 11:34 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree

He should be free to use all his creative prowess in the shootout, I think the reigns should stay on when he decides to blow kisses on the road at the home bench. I agree with celebrations but one’s like that, and Ovechkin putting the fire out on his stick for scoring a goal on a rookie tender is just classless IMO.

by brendan1 on Aug 10, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ask Art

I think he might have been hit by a glacier or something

by Brad Gardner on Aug 9, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

hahaha, in that case,

maybe we should poll what happened to Art…

by Tsudbury on Aug 9, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

hahaha

do you really want 10 months of the current Dallas Stars product??? I think I might shoot myself if I had to read about how bad things are going everyday 10 months of the year. At least in the 4 month off-season we can talk about the possibly bright future!

by brendan1 on Aug 9, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't trade Ribeiro

I like Mike Russo’s comments about him jump-starting the team. He did exactly that!

by Tyler Bouldin on Aug 9, 2010 12:28 PM CDT reply actions  

I love Ribs, but I think how he plays up to the deadline will decide his fate.

And it’s hard to predict exactly what kind of defensemen will be available by then. Kaberle might, but who knows. And I’m not sold on Kaberle. I’d like to get a Leafs fan opinion on him, really.

Bottom line, the first three or four months of the season will be HUGE for Ribs.

by Pat Iversen on Aug 9, 2010 1:39 PM CDT reply actions  

I hang at PPP sometimes,

and the Leafs fans don’t want Ribs or Morrow for Kaberle. They want Neal or Benn. And I know one who probably wants Ondrej Roman thrown in as well.

On Kaberle, I get the sense that they just want to be rid of him. It’s not that he’s a bad player, he’s just overrated. Plus, Kaberle will be a UFA next summer, so he could end up being a rental for anyone who trades for him. I’m not sure I want to give someone like Ribs up for that.

Here's to all us girls who love hockey...and the men who play it.

by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Aug 9, 2010 2:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not happening.

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by Brandon Worley on Aug 9, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

My take?

Originally, we thought Burke would take whatever he could get for Kaberle. But frankly, I’m extremely surprised he’s held out this long. I think he really believes he’s going to get a Top 6 forward for Kaberle or lock him up to retire a Leaf. The signing of Brett Lebda (/facepalm) leads me to believe he DOES plan to move Kaberle though, as we currently have 8 NHL-calibre defensemen on the books.

Leafs fans don’t want Ribs or Morrow for Kaberle. They want Neal or Benn.

It’s true, I don’t want Ribiero or Morrow. And as much as I’d love Neal or Benn, most of us realize it would take a lot more than Kaberle to get either one.

People keep referencing Dallas as a good trade partner for Toronto, mostly due to the fact that Dallas seems to have a need for a top 4 puck-moving Dman and an excess of Top 6 quality forwards. But it’s not like Dallas is knocking on any contending doors next year (no offense) and 1 year of Kaberle doesn’t seem to be the best idea, especially since it would seem unlikely he would extend. For some reason he prefers the Eastern Conference.

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by nhlcheapshot on Aug 9, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

They're going to have to say

That 27 teams have made an offer for Kaberle before I start thinking the Stars might be in that group. It just make no sense for them in this stage of the rebuilding process.

by Brad Gardner on Aug 9, 2010 3:59 PM CDT reply actions  

So how can we fix our defensive woes?

Is it realistic to expect that the same d-men will have matured enough over last season that they will start playing better? Cuz that’s all we have to hope for right now.

I don’t know, I suppose I’m just used to hearing the same D-men names year after year, or signing experienced defensive free agents or through trades. This having the grow up on our team thing is something I’m not used to. It frustrates me, and it makes me feel like they’ll never get any better than they are now. It makes me want to blow up the whole defense and start over with them, which we realistically can’t do.

Does my frustration make any sense, or am I just rambling?

by Tsudbury on Aug 9, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm right with you

I’ve been frustrated for years.

by Mike Russo on Aug 9, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, it makes sense.

It’d be one thing if we were like the Senators, and had only Erik Karlsson to wait on to mature, while having Gonchar or Philip or random-other-veteran-defenseman manning the blueline at the same time. It’s a whole nother thing to wait on your ENTIRE defensive corps to mature. It’s bound to be frustrating, especially when we’re all so used to success.

But we did see great strides last year from Fistric and Grossman, and even Daley started to come around near the end of the season. It’s not like we’ve been waiting forever for them to develop….Fistric needed a season in the minors and then bloomed last season. Grossman’s development is right on schedule for a 22-year-old d-man. Daley…well, it’s been unimpressive and he didn’t meet our expectations, but perhaps the way he finished the season suggests that he needed to get comfy with the system. Who knows.

Yeah, it’s frustrating. No doubt about that. But we can’t ignore the signs we’ve seen from Fistric and Grossman especially. We don’t have to wait THAT much longer, I feel, for those two young guys to become what we hope they can be.

Daley is close, I feel. Nisky….yeah, anyways looking forward to what Larsen can do.

by Pat Iversen on Aug 9, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's why I scoff when people say we're rebuilding right now...

Heck, our rebuilding phase basically happened overnight. We’re past rebuilding, we’ve been in waiting mode for two years…and I think we’re finally seeing some great progress all the way around. Sure you’ve got your stragglers (coughdaleyniskybrunnstromcough) but overall we ARE moving forward and improving.

I don’t know maybe I’m an optimist with our blueline, but I fully expect great things from Grossman and Fistric next year. If Daley can continue what he finished with and Nisky gets it together, that’s just a plus.

by Pat Iversen on Aug 9, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

off the ice ribeiro is a cocky douche. but on the ice he is one of our more consistent players which right now we cant afford to lose. Hopefully we can do something about the defense through free agency before the season starts and let ribeiro have another year too get his magic working in the new system.

GET OFF NIEUWENDYK'S NUTS

by 8thegreat on Aug 9, 2010 4:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Off the ice

I know a plenty of cocky douches. None of them is as talented as Ribs.

by Mike Russo on Aug 9, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

yuppppppppp

hell, i’m playing DII roller hockey, and we act like the cockiest POSs ever. but roller hockey is lame. i’m way cockier about my beer league ice team.

by agvdstars on Aug 9, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

inline hockeys the shit

i play AAA inline so much fun but we dont act like douches lol. granted if i were in the nhl id be cocky but no need to be douchey i mean this dude cheats on his wife not cool thats a douche level no one should reach even if your a wizzard in the nhl.

GET OFF NIEUWENDYK'S NUTS

by 8thegreat on Aug 9, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ribs...

I think the guy has done a lot for this team since he has been here. I would hate to see him get traded for a poor return because of one off season. He is still only 30, has a mediocre salary of 5 million for 1B center.

I laugh at Toronto for thinking they can get this massive return for Kaberle. A team would be crazy to give into Burke’s demands now that he is in his final season. I think he is a good value for his current contract, but Toronto will NOT be able to afford to re-sign him and you have no idea weather or not he will extend, and if he does he will probably ask for 5+ mill given what recent mediocre defensemen have been getting.

by brendan1 on Aug 10, 2010 12:08 AM CDT reply actions  

That's just it...

If Ribs isn’t great at the beginning of this season, why would anyone give up a top D man for him? If he’s great, why would you trade him?

And don’t forget that any team not in contention will be dangling their favorite UFAs:

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/freeagents.php?team=none&pos=none&summer=2011&status=none&type=none

Also, for those not convinced of Ribs’ greatness, picture him on a line with Sid or Ovie and tell me he wouldn’t end up with 100 points and 30 goals, easily.

by jabudi on Aug 10, 2010 7:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Using that logic, no one would ever be traded :-P

Ribs may not produce much here this season, but he’s shown what he’s capable of in the right system. Unfortunately, when our on ice strategy changed, his production dropped. That doesn’t mean he won’t excel somewehere else. It’s all about finding the right fit for him, and getting a D-man that will fit in our system in return.

by Tsudbury on Aug 10, 2010 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's a little different

When you’re talking about a player who fell from grace. I realize he’s been great for Dallas but a pessimist would say that he had a couple of good seasons and is back to being decent but overpriced. Remember, most of the league doesn’t give two craps about Dallas.

Throw in the fact that hardly anyone lets go of a good D-man and it’s going to be tough. Besides, I’ve never gotten much for him in NHL 2010. :P

by jabudi on Aug 10, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dammit

NHL 2010 busts my logic again.

:-)

by Tsudbury on Aug 10, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dont mean to go off subject

but whatever happened to turning Trevor Daley into a Forward??

by Antonio S on Aug 10, 2010 7:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Well

I don’t think that was ever a real plan or possibility for him anyways.

by Pat Iversen on Aug 10, 2010 10:21 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'd always hoped

That it could work though. Mostly so I didn’t have to see him try and play D.

by jabudi on Aug 10, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think...

People just saw what Byfuglien did with his transition and felt he could do the same, his own goals and lost puppy dog persona fueled it. As was already said I do not think it was an actual plan, ever.

by brendan1 on Aug 10, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Kovalchuk is still available!

Because, ya know, we are just swimming in a pile of $$$$$$ right now.

(Sarcasm, I promise)

by Tyler Bouldin on Aug 10, 2010 11:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Maybe the new owner

could take out a few hundred million dollars in loans to pay for kovalchuk in the largest nhl contract ever, and then purchase a foreign soccer team to try and sell off for profit in order to pay off those loans.

oh…..wait….

by Tsudbury on Aug 10, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

A year ago I was just waiting for the Ribs trade.

Now I don’t think so. He doesn’t fit Crawfords system, but I think Joe likes having a real different look to throw out there. We could get by without him this year … but unless we resign Richards things would be real dire in a year. I really felt when they said no to Mo that indicated Ribs is here at least this season or until Richards situation is worked out.

I’m coming around to believing that Joe feels like we have a top 5 forward group and he won’t break them up to be competitive at the lower end of the top 8. Hold his F strength, grow his young blue line and spend some money at the top of the d-corps when the sale goes through and it all has a chance of coming together.

by 1paniolo on Aug 10, 2010 3:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

And I endorse this philosophy 110%. I would hate to see him make a move giving up more than he should to make the defense a bit better but hurting the overall talent of the team by compromising.

by brendan1 on Aug 10, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

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