Not So Fast: Could Dallas Stars Sale Go Down The Same, Rocky Path?
I'm a fan of all four teams in Dallas, almost equally. The Stars will also be number one, mainly for my absolute love of hockey and knowledge of the sport. Yet I'm also a diehard Dallas Cowboys, Texas Rangers and Dallas Mavericks fan.
This is why the sale fiasco of the Rangers has taken so much of my time.
Yet Stars fans, as we've been saying, should be paying very close attention to what's been happening. Hicks Sports Group, the ownership group that owns(ed) the Rangers and the Stars, defaulted on $525 million in loans tied between the two franchises. Tom Hicks initially believed that selling just one team would appease the lenders, and because the overall value was higher put the Rangers up for sale.
Almost immediately he made it known he would be selling the Stars as well, since the sale of the Rangers wouldn't be enough.
Last night, Chuck Greenberg and Nolan Ryan won an auction to purchase the Rangers for somewhere around $593 million. This should take care of the debt, and keep these lenders from doing the same thing to the Stars sale that happened to the Rangers, right? Not so fast. Per Angela Brown of the AP:
According to the team’s bankruptcy plan, creditors will only get about $75 million from the team, no matter who ends up buying it. But the judge has said lenders, who are owed about $525 million after team owner Tom Hicks’ financially strapped ownership group defaulted on loans, can go after Hicks’ other companies.
Does this mean that the lenders will get involved in the sale of the Stars? Almost assuredly, but I'm also interested to see if this means they can go after Hicks-owned companies outside of HSG. I doubt it's that simple.
As it is, one sale is complete yet the lenders are only getting a fraction of what is owed to them. Around $200 million (I think) of the Rangers sale is tied up in assumed debt to the lenders (I think) and I'm assuming that the rest of this debt will be taken care of with the sale of the Stars (I think).
[Update - Here's what Dan Kaplan tweeted this morning from the courthouse: "proceeds to lenders rose from $210 mln to $340 mil bec of auction, rangers lenders attorney says"]
All we can hope is that Hicks -- and the slimy Galatioto firm -- has learned his lesson in all this, and will get the Stars sale off without nearly the amount of confusion, collusion and back-room deals that plagued the Rangers sale.
I'm praying someone swoops in and proves me wrong on all this.
Please, Mr. Gallacher or Mr. Gaglardi -- come to our rescue.
[Update]
After doing some digging, and asking around a lot -- here's what I've come up with.
First of all, since this is a private sale, we won't get the exact details of the deal. But essentially this is how it breaks down: after the sale is complete, $75 million will be going directly to the lenders. In total, around $310 million will be given to HSG to pay off the defaulted loans. That leaves over $200 million remaining, which will presumably come from the sale of the Stars.
Learningas I go.
[End Update]
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So does that mean
the lenders only need another $185 to be satisfied? What’s the sales price for the stars, somewhere around 250? Hopefully the new owner for the stars will take care of it.
Although I’m still extremely confused as to the difference between the lenders and creditors, since they’ve been saying the whole time that no matter what, crecditors were only receiving $75 million. Is there any way we can kind of break down how much is owed, how much is being paid off to which groups, and what we hope the sale of the stars can cover?
Once the dust is settled.
I’m going to try and do my best to get a hold of Dan Kaplan, and see if he has these answers. Unfortunately, if there’s one thing we’ve learned through all this, is that the finances of this deal are EXTREMELY muddy and no one has a damn clue what the details are.
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by Brandon Worley on Aug 5, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Awesome, thanks.
Even if we don’t know all the details, at least some progress has finally been made.
You also have to remember a few things.
That the unsecured creditors were getting paid off first (I think). The Rangers owed money to players, coaches, other entities that weren’t just the banks (like Monarch). That’s why there is such a division between cash being paid out and the assumed debt.
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by Brandon Worley on Aug 5, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't the unsecured somewhere around
the low to mid 200s? The 340 should definitely take care of that and the 75 million then.
But, crap, does that mean that the unsecured monies owed wasn’t even included in the 525 that Hicks defaulted on? Are you telling me this bum owed closer to 800 million?
No, I'm not.
I’m also in over my head with all this. I’m learning as a I go.
I’m trying to track down the figures as we speak.
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by Brandon Worley on Aug 5, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
lol sorry
not trying to rush you into doing full on research. Sometimes I get carried away with my questions.
No, I'm doing it for myself.
And you guys.
I’m just frustrated I don’t have more knowledge about these financial issues.
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by Brandon Worley on Aug 5, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok, here's an important part of the story:
The process would allow the sale to move forward without the approval of the 40 creditors who hold $525 million in Hicks Sports Group debt. Those creditors, led by Monarch Alternative Capital, have been blocking the sale. The voluntary Chapter 11 petition was filed in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Fort Worth.
Under the proposal, sale proceeds would pay the Rangers’ portion of the Hicks Sports Group debt, which is $75 million. The remaining money from the sale of the club would go to Hicks Sports Group, which would then use the funds to pay the remainder of what is owed.
Unless I’m reading this wrong, only $75 million of the $525 million in defaulted loans actually belonged to the Rangers. The rest would be made up by HSG taking proceeds from the sale and paying off debt.
That link also has a list of the top 30 unsecured creditors.
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I really need to take some finance classes.
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by Brandon Worley on Aug 5, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
That or...
Finance needs to be simplified so normal people can make sense of it.
Why does this look any different than the “normal” sale of a house or business? Why should you have more leverage if you’re rich and owe a crapload of money instead of just a normal person?
Shouldn’t it be pretty straightforward?
It all depends on moving markets and potential revenue...
If your house had the potential of earning you hundreds of millions, or losing you hundreds of millions in the same year, you’d want all kinds of provisions and back ups too. Goes with the risk of a potential highly profitable business.
Normal people only invest in stable assets (excluding some stocks and bonds), so those provisions are almost never seen by the majority of people.
Update added.
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Okay...
The update helps what i’ve been reading to make more sense…
Not sure if you’ve seen these yet… but read this, this, and this.
It looks to me like $75 of it was Rangers, $150 or so in the Stars, and the rest in Liverpool. (It also says he’s managed to make Liverpool $750 million in debt) Basically he was hoping to sell liverpool for a ton of money to recoup his losses in the rangers and stars, but now he has so much debt invested in one bank over there, that potential buyers are actually sidestepping hicks to buy the debt directly from the bank. I think that means that he loses control of the team in liverpool while still owing them money at the same time. So the only money he’ll receive to pay off creditors will come from the rangers and stars now.
And if he still owes over 200 million, and the stars go for $225, he may not make much money or even come out ahead in the end. It all depends on what happens with the sale of liverpool and how much debt he’s left with after someone else becomes the majority owner.
At least… I think that’s what I learned from reading all this.
I think the important thing to take away from this
(since we still don’t have any firm numbers) is that Hicks isn’t making the killing on these teams that I thought he was.
From what I understand
We have to separate “Hicks” and “HSG”.
“HSG” is failing miserably and is — to be frank — fucked.
Tom Hicks, on the other hand, is doing just dandy. Although the fact that the land he personally owns was taken out of the sale last night means he’s not making the amount of money he was going to initially from this deal.
Great, great breakdown, by the way. You are the man.
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by Brandon Worley on Aug 5, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, thanks a ton Trevor for the insight in the last 24 hours.
Made it a TON more clearer for all of us to understand. You rule.
And it only took us about 500 comments back and forth
for us to get a basic understanding on what’s going on lol…
couldn’t have done it without you guys finding stuff out either. Props all around
Yeah, sorry...
Replace Hicks with HSG in everything I said. Just read this, and it looks like the best possible outcome for everyone involved except for Hicks.
The lots were taken off the deal, keeping him from earning extra money, the rangers price went up, helping to pay off all the creditors, and Ryan still gets to be involved with the Rangers.
I guess miracles really do happen.
That's a pretty damn good way of putting it.
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by Brandon Worley on Aug 5, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Well Hicks still owns the RE and parking
around the ballpark. So it seems like he either sells it at some point, or he controls parking and parking revenues at the ballpark.
I don’t know if that was called a “sweet heart” deal because it was above market. But he still owns it.
Also, I assume that in having to pay more that Ryan/Greenburg have less money to invest back into the ball club. Really the only people who seem to have made out was the lenders/creditors who forced this whole mess. And since all of their intransigence was rewarded with getting more money I would expect more of the same from the Stars sale if they think they aren’t getting maximum value.
Thanks guys
I was one of the lurkers throughout, but I’m a letters guy, not a numbers guy. I’m afraid to look at my checking account every week, let alone try to understand this kind of money.
Nice job.
I've been going through the CBS live blog from this morning's hearing...
The process has been pretty smooth to get the final bid approved, but there’s a few things worth taking note:
CBS 11 Newsroom: IN COURT: The Judge asks if they want to take on the Stars case here now. Room breaks out into laughter
Foreboding? Hopefully we won’t have to go through with this process for the Stars, but I imagine it will be much smoother than last night was if that winds up being the case.
IN COURT: fox sports had issue, could not hear what it was because Greenberg chatting with MLB reps, but they tell judge it has been resolved
In the process of making sure all 12+ parties involved agreed on the bid, several stated that they had minor issues, but that terms had been agreed to, and it would not affect the sale of the Rangers. Of course the one that Stars fans would be particularly interested would not be heard (figures), but my guess is that FS had an issue with whether or not the television contract would stand under the new owners, and it’s resolved that it will. That’s good motivation for them to not bother with purchasing the Stars at this point.
If I catch anything else, I’ll post it.
It's still going on at this point, but looks close to being made official...
and by close, I mean in the next 3-4 hours.
It's all official now.
Nothing new to report. Find Nolan Ryan’s press conference from today if you want to hear a few good jabs at Hicks.
heres a good rundown of the numbers.
http://mobile.lonestarball.com/2010/8/5/1606567/my-breakdown-of-the-numbers
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by Brandon Worley on Aug 5, 2010 4:33 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
That makes much more sense
than what I was coming up with. So that means that the $125 still owed to unsecured will be coming after the dallas stars sale., and they’ll only get whats left over from the secured creditors from the Stars… however much that is.

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