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MAB v. Nisky

This is my attempt at a head-to-head between two lower pairing Defensemen that i think should be going through the minds of every one in the Stars' front office right now.

I hope everyone enjoys this, and thanks to Brandon for encouraging me to write this.

If you have any feedback, i'm all ears.

Star-divide

We'll start with the ex-Canadien Marc-Andre Bergeron.

He will be 30 at the beginning of the season, having played 9 seasons in the NHL. He started in the Oilers' camp and played there for 4 seasons amassing 33 goals and 55 assists for 88 points in 189 games with a +/- 9 before getting shipped to the Islanders with a 3rd round choice for Denis Grabeshkov. He played two season with the Islanders, with a line of 15-24-39 in 69 games, but he suffered a +/- -14, the worst of his career, in the 07-08 season, while only scoring 18 points. He was then flipped to Anaheim for Edmonton's 3rd round choice(which was previously acquired, and kind of ironic) where he only played in 9 games nabbing 1 assist and a -2 with 4 PIM.He was traded on draft day to the Wild for their 3rd round choice, and played in 72 games for them(14-18-32 +/- 5) before signing with Montreal as an UFA for the 2009-2010 season. he had quite an impressive year with Montreal, while helping out their PP unit. (13-21-34 +/- -7)

MAB has been noted for his booming shot from the point, despite his diminutive size (5'9, 198), and 43 of his 194 career points have come on the PP. The biggest downside to his game is his lack of aggression and his weak play in his own zone, which is not what the Stars' need, however i think if he were paired with Karlis Skrastins for the 3rd line, it would help bolster the offensive production from the back end quite a bit.

Matt Niskanen

While most noted as the Stars' whipping boy of last season, let's take a deeper look into his numbers and see if we can find an upside to this young man.

The biggest note on Niskanen is that he is still quite young (he'll be 24 December 6th), leaving him with plenty of room to grow heading into his 4th season (all with the Stars).

His rookie campaign was by far his most impressive, and many people will say that you could pair a chimp with Sergei Zubov and put up 26 points as Niskanen did, but he was named the NHL youngstars game none the less. The next season he added nine points to his previous years totals (6-39-35) but his plus/minus fell drastically from 22 in 07-08 to -11 the next season. The 2009-2010 was by far his worst season, and subsequently gave him "whipping boy" status, putting up only 3 goals and 12 assists, although he saw quite a bit of time on the PP, he failed to record a point on the man advantage. His plus/minus was also worse, with a -15 for the season. His career line is 16-60-76 in 232 games played. While that's not as bad as others before him, the Stars' faithful have expected quite a substantial amount more from him in his time here.

My Verdict

The Stars' should bring MAB on board as a more affordable offensive weapon from the point (his price tag is circa an entry level deal), while signing Niskanen to a two-way contract to give him some valuable seasoning in a FULL AHL year.

Note: all stats are from nhl.com

Poll
Should the Stars' sign Marc-Andre Bergeron?
YES! but forget about Niskanen
7 votes
YES! sign both, I still have faith in Nisky
20 votes
NO! they'll be fine without MAB
15 votes

42 votes | Poll has closed

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The only problem with this...

…is that a two-way contract doesn’t guarantee the player can be transferred to the AHL — it just means that he’s paid different amounts of money depending on where he plays.

This common myth was spread by various video games, I believe. Two-way contracts have no effect on waiver status in their own right — although a player who spends a lot of time in the AHL probably wouldn’t have played the number of NHL games necessary to make him vulnerable to waivers.

Thus, Matt Niskanen would be just as vulnerable to waivers under this as he would be at any other time — the only difference from how it is now is that here, if he gets through waivers and in the AHL, we don’t have to pay him as much.

by C. Bob on Sep 1, 2010 4:43 AM CDT reply actions  

To be fair

EA’s NHL series has led me to believe that the best way to win a Cup is to turn off the cap and get EVERY big free agent on the market by overpaying for them. Then you trade the top 5-6 players away for all of the best players who you know FULL WELL will be amazing in 3 years because you’re just that awesome.

Whoever is left you trade for Chara and Pronger and demolish everyone who comes on your side of the rink, knowing full well that your barely AHL-level players who are left can all do a spin-a-rama on a dime and that every goalie falls for the same 3 moves.

Step 3- PROFIT!

I just don’t get why GM Joe doesn’t do the obvious!

by jabudi on Sep 2, 2010 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought by opting to sign without going to arbitration

that Nisky is guaranteed a one-way contract. In my opinion, he’ll never play in the AHL.

by Mike Russo on Sep 1, 2010 11:32 AM CDT reply actions  

If I may.

I would like to pay the courtesy of giving a realistic answer – such as I can, anyway.

Without going into much detail, you’re going to run into a list of issues. Number one, as has been pointed out, two-way contracts do not always equal the ability to be sent down without having to clear waivers – both ways. But I will say that could alleviate a problem if you actually wanted to lose Niskanen, it would be a good way to do it.

Secondly, there are budgetary restraints and those hamper your ability to make trades or eat salary. We saw what dealing from a position of weakness can do – Turco was not traded at the deadline. I know some people want to say it was because he was too expensive, citing his large contract – but those people also tend to leave out that it is the remainder of the contract for the season; not the whole of it. The actual cap hit at the trade deadline would have been minimal. Dallas, who should have been buyers at the trade deadline were sellers and that is a position of weakness. Nieuwendyk’s demands, whatever they might have been, were too steep.

Ribeiro was another story because he did have years left on his current $5 million / year contract with no relief in cap hit for the remainder because each year pays the same instead of declining. Again, dealing from a position of weakness, plus the bad press, plus the rumors, plus the cap hit and then throw in what happened this summer that, if memory serves, other than Kovalchuk, only one UFA forward was given at or over $5 million (save whose-its in San Jose who never actually hit the open market). There were some slight increases, but overall, not much.

With Grossman locked up, finally, the Stars have an abundance of defensemen who it would cost the Stars real money to get rid of. The players worth keeping because they are young and developing, are exactly that – worth keeping. That includes Niskanen. The others who would be considered marginal players on other teams i.e. Robidas (don’t get me wrong, I’m a fan) and Daley, you don’t really want to get rid of because they are worth having around especially if one day you plan to occupy the number one defenseman position with an actual number one defenseman. This really only leaves you with Skrastins and Woywitka whose names on other teams would be pronounced "healthy scratch."

Were you to actually bring Bergeron onboard, you would be adding his salary (to what I believe is still the third or fourth lowest combined defensive corp salary in the NHL, even still) with no way to get rid of any other without trading away the players you actually want to keep. The only player that falls in the middle of the young players and Robidas is Daley and you would have to lose a pick to get rid of him; partly due to his abilities and again, dealing from a position of weakness.

If you put either Skrastins or Woywitka on waivers, no one picks them up. Especially not this early and especially not at full contract price. If they do make it all the way down, they’re on one-way contracts so you’re still paying full price, which given the budgetary restraints is not a good thing. So, you bring them back up and hope someone picks them off re-entry waivers in which case, you’re still stuck with half of their salary for the rest of the year.

Having gone through all of that (or not) you have to scratch them (and by "them" I do mean one or both) in which case you’re still paying full price for someone to sit in the press-box, plus Bergeron – didn’t want you to forget that. I would not be opposed to scratching either Skrastin or Woywitka in favor of Bergeron at the right price but the Stars have been hammering us over the head with their budget issues – so I doubt that they would.

All of that said, I don’t recall if Sheldon Souray has made it through re-entry waivers but if he’s available, that’s someone you flyer on at half-price without question, regardless of your internal budget restraints. Is Bergeron worth the same consideration? Not in my opinion. As with Bieska, he does not supply the parts needed at the volume needed for this team. He’d be a stop-gap at best but so were Skrastins and Woywitka and Nieuwendyk painted himself into a corner with those two contacts.

by W.G. Rayser on Sep 2, 2010 9:54 AM CDT reply actions  

I meant to add...

I meant also to add, some of those budgetary issues could go away with a new owner, assuming a new owner doesn’t mind eating a couple of million dollars.

by W.G. Rayser on Sep 2, 2010 10:01 AM CDT reply actions  

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