How Will Marc Crawford's System Evolve In 2010-11?
Last summer we discussed endlessly the hiring of Marc Crawford and the changes he would bring to the Dallas Stars. We talked about a faster, more entertaining team that embraced the "new" NHL. He would transform the Stars from an ugly and defensive team into one that scores lots of goals and everyone would cheer and buy lots of tickets to watch the Stars be super exciting.
What did we actually get, going from the 2008-09 season to 2009-10 with essentially the same team, but this time healthy?
- Five more points in the standings. (83 points in 08-09; 88 points in 09-10)
- One more win.
- Seven more goals scored overall. (Yes!!)
- Three less goals-against. (Whoo hoo!!)
- One supremely confused hockey team for the first two months of the season. (Nothing new, actually)
- Once again, no playoff berth.
Nearly every critic of Joe Nieuwendyk the GM points to his first decision as his worst one. While Marc Crawford was a fairly surprising choice at the time, if Nieuwendyk was hoping to go in a new direction with the Stars then there was no better choice to be the exact opposite of Dave Tippett. Unfortunately, it seems we didn't exactly get the Crawford we had known in Colorado and Vancouver; instead we received a quiet and peaceful man who was no longer the offensive innovator he once was.
Still, he'll get at least one more season to prove his worth. If the Stars tank again out of the gates, he might only get half a season. Regardless, Crawford will have a chance to build upon the progress of last season (yes, there was some) with a team that now has some continuity in his system. While the team signed just a few free agents, the Stars will look vastly different this season and unlike any Stars team we've known before.
After the jump, I look at some of the factors that will play into the further evolution of Crawford's system in Dallas and what we might expect this season that could be different -- and what is likely to be the same.
To me, this is the biggest change that will make all the difference in the world from last season to this one. You don't normally think of the goalie as a player that affects the overall balance between the offense and the defense but with the Dallas Stars there's no doubt that was the case last season under Marty Turco.
Turco, as we all know, is a goaltender who loves to play the puck. He does it more than any other goaltender in the NHL and he does it better than any other goaltender in the NHL. In fact, he's downright magical at times in the way he can negate a team's forecheck.
Before Crawford, Turco's style of playing the puck worked perfectly in the system the Stars employed. With a defensively minded, opportunistic team a goaltender that can slow the game down along the board while moving the puck along to his defense is downright invaluable. Yet with Crawford's system, that encourage the defense to get the puck, push the play up ice and to make a quick and decisive transition pass to get the offense attack going, Turco's style clashed with what the Stars were trying to do.
For Lehtonen, he'll fit in perfectly. He rarely plays the puck, he's used to allowing his defense to just do what they are taught to do and he's there to make up for any mistakes that are made. The Stars defense is making the transition to being more aggressive with the puck once it's on their stick, while being taught a new method of countering the forecheck.
Remember how at times we remarked how the Stars appeared to play more confidently in front of Alex Auld? Same thing happened with Lehtonen at the end of the season. This wasn't a conscious effort by Turco, just a simple clash of styles and philosophies.
A more experienced defense
We all know the weak part on the Dallas Stars is along the blue line. While I don't necessarily prescribe to the thought process that Stephane Robidas is disgraceful as a top pairing defensemen and that the Stars will never survive with him as the leader on defense, I do agree that last season was very frustrating to watch when it came to defense.
Blown assignments in front of the net. A lack of overall physicality in front of the goaltender or along the boards. Horrible decisions with the puck while in transition. A propensity to knock the puck into your own goaltender. A general and overall lack of any sort of chemistry with the other defensemen and the rest of the team.
This season, the same defense is back. The Stars added Brad Lukowich for depth, and Philip Larsen will get the chance to make the team, but once more we'll roll with Robidas, Grossman, Niskanen. Daley, Fistric, Skrastins, and Woywitka. By the sounds of your applause I know how much this excites all of you.
But there is hope. Grossman and Fistric made great strides last season and as the year wore on it was obvious that the defense has a whole were starting to become more confident. The Stars still don't have that big, puck moving defenseman that I'm certain Crawford would love to have, but later in the year the transition game by the Stars improved. Grossman and Fistric became much more physical and there were times where I smiled after a Matt Niskanen play.
With a year under their belts in this system, these young players should feel more confident in their decisions and should be much more effective as a cohesive unit.
A unified locker room..a team with a similar purpose.
A disclaimer: This next part is pure speculation.
Based on what I've read, heard and caught in whispers..I have a sneaking suspicion that the Dallas Stars locker room wasn't exactly the best last season. Combine these elements:
- The departure of a well-loved coach after six seasons with the team, and the arrival of a coach with a brand new philosophy and coaching style.
- The impending departure of the franchise goaltender, an outspoken player who was a leader in the locker room, and how his murky future with the Stars affected his productivity.
- The Olympics, and how that weighed on the minds of players.
- The unhappiness of the face of the franchise and his supposed reluctance to take a diminished role with the team.
- A restricted budget that kept the Stars from making any significant moves in order to improve the team for a playoffs push.
This season, nearly all of those elements listed above are gone. The Stars should be entering this season as a unified and cohesive team, one that understands what Marc Crawford is attempting to get from them and one that is willing to what is needed to succeed. Crawford's system isn't revolutionary and it isn't a big leap from before; it is, however, different and it does take a mindset change.
If the Stars are to be successful under Crawford, every single player out on that ice has to fully buy into what Crawford is coaching. We witnessed last season how half a team with two separate philosophies operates; it was far from pretty. Now that the Stars are younger, now that the Stars are all sharing a singular goal, the hope is that the team enters the season much smoother than last year.
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I do wonder
if a new owner could be an emotional “pick-me-up” for the whole team this year, even though won’t be able to add any pieces of significance right away…just knowing that help is on the way sometime in some form or another…Hopefully it will help.
Let's hope that Lehtonen is on.
I have never read more news of him training. Let’s hope that it all goes well. He can be great.
In Finland people also think that he plays puck pretty well, but he is not Turco. I think that when he came to Dallas, he tried it some more, but that’s it.
He's been in Atlanta.
The Stars are paying for him to work with a personal trainer there every day.
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by Brandon Worley on Aug 31, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
He's done a fair amount of work here too
In fact I think he’s already in Dallas and has been for a little bit, right? Wasn’t he seen in Frisco last week?
by Brad Gardner on Aug 31, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Square Pegs, Round Holes - Episode II
12th-13th place in the West.
Bottom 10 PK%.
Bottom 10 Faceoff%.
Buried in the Pacific Division cellar by Christmas.
(Yep, it’s still August and I said it.)
And I’ll bet you that the ownership change takes WAY longer than everybody wants it to for reasons that have yet to come to light. I have no concrete evidence to back up that claim, of course, unless you count the whole Rangers fustercluck and remember that the same guy at the root of those problems is at the root of the Stars’, too.
Once the business side of things gets done (again, don’t hold your breath), then I am hoping that the new ownership will sweep Joe and Crawford out and replace them with people who are competent and capable…and not just with “guys who have a system.”
On the positive side, the Stars will have another top ten draft pick. So whomever the new GM and coach are, that’ll be a nice building block for them.
Flame on!
Ok, a couple of things here.
First of all, I’m not a Marc Crawford supporter. I don’t believe he was the right fit to replace Tippett and I don’t believe he’s the right fit now. But, I’m also not wishing he’s going to fail. I don’t wish for the Stars to fail. I don’t even wish for Crawford to fail.
In fact, I want Crawford to succeed. If he succeeds, then the Stars succeed. And I want my freaking team to win. So while we may not like him and we may not agree he’s the best option at coach, I don’t understand the inherent and BLIND hatred.
Did you even read my post? I doubt it. Instead, it’s the same thing we’ve been hearing all summer long with absolutely zero quantifying statements. I worked to breakdown what went wrong last year and how those factors have changed heading into this season, while you regurgitated the same DMN blog comment that we’ve been reading since last summer.
I’m willing to listen and debate if you can give good, quantified and realistic reasons why the Stars aren’t likely to improve this season. Don’t give this “square peg in a round hole” bull crap. The major pieces of this team (aside from Ribeiro) that didn’t fit this system are now GONE. Crawford and Nieuwendyk have had a year something that’s supposed to be a budget to try and mold this team into some different.
And you know what? Every coach has a “system”. Dave Tippett has a system. Ken Hitchcock had a system. Bruce Boudreau has a system. That’s how the game of hockey is played, with slightly different philosophies from coach to coach. It matters.
Is Crawford the best fit for this team? Honestly, I don’t think so. Do I think that the Stars have the chance to be successful under Crawford? I do. I’m not 100% certain, but that’s not going to keep me from analyzing what should improve and how the Stars could be better next season.
I’m not even going to address your statement about the sale. In fact…it sickens me. I worked late into the night doing research, emailing people and compiling facts for THIS POST, and you come on here with this “I don’t have a reason but it’s going to be shitty” statement.
I’m not one to normally do this, but I honestly can’t take it anymore. No more blind hatred. Suggest a freaking way to improve things instead of just coming on here, seeing the word “Crawford” in the post and going about saying the same empty thing all over again.
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by Brandon Worley on Aug 31, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
GREEEEEEN
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by Pat Iversen on Aug 31, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
OK...deeeeeeeep breath...
To answer what you’ve said…
“Hatred” is far too strong a word. “Disgust” is far more accurate, at least in my case.
And it’s far from blind. My feeble eyes are open as wide as they can be. And I beg your pardon if we don’t agree on that, but you may believe whatever you wish.
Furthermore, NOBODY wants the Stars to win more than I do. Unfathomable based on my tone here, I know. But if you knew me, you’d know it was so. Shall I bore you with the details of why? Season tickets for thirteen years; went to all the games I could before I could REALLY afford tickets; gone on road trips to New York (NYR and NYI), Chicago and St. Louis to see the Stars play; sitting in my seat and crying for fifteen minutes when Marchant scored and hating CuJo TO THIS DAY for that save; crying more when Hull scored; personally arranging and taking groups of up to ONE HUNDRED PEOPLE from my church to Stars games, thus taking their hockey virginity; went to three games when I had pneumonia; and I’ve never missed a home Dallas Stars playoff game in the history of the franchise, including once when I left my Grandmother’s funeral early to make the faceoff. There’s plenty more, if you’d care to hear it.
So you see, sir…we are shooting in the same direction.
Further, we full-well agree on the idea of Crawford being the wrong guy for the job. In fact, I don’t know anyone personally that was pumping their fist and jumping up and down when that hire was made. In fact, those whose opinions I respect in such matters were immediately questioning the wisdom of bringing him here based upon his track record and his ability to cause things to deteriorate from the in-side out because of his overall demeanor.
Agreed further that every coach has a system. It’s just that Crawford and those around him seem to use that phraseology as a crutch and a justification for miscues and mental mistakes when words like “poorly played defense” and “failure to escape their defensive zone AGAIN” and “situational coaching error” and “irresponsible puck-handling” and “another Niskanen brain-fart” would fit so much more correctly in the eyes of a layman like me. No, to THEM…it’s all “part of the growing pains of the system” when there are catastrophic and seemingly basic errors made that end up with a red light going on behind our goalie. Up to now, so many of those instances have been forgiven and afforded no real weight…at what point does that bill come due, and when will those responsible be held accountable?
(Perhaps I am a bit touchy about that term, yes. After suffering through the abject failure of last season, you can see why.)
And “square pegs in round holes” is not MY assertion. Crawford said that himself when he admitted on the air months ago that (paraphrasing) “Joe gets the players and I have to make it work. Sometimes we have to fit square pegs in round holes.” Which makes me ask…what successful GM/Coach tandem in the NHL has such an arrangement, where the GM makes all the player decisions without getting the coach’s input? Do Stanley Cup contending teams operate in such a way?
And the sale of the team…well, your piece on that is thoughtful and exhaustive and well-written. (Thank you and well done, by the way.) There were those that did similar pieces that had the same assertions in respect to the Rangers sale, too, when it was all said to be signed, sealed and delivered last December and that the process was going to move swiftly enough to be finalized by Opening Day of the baseball season. As one whose loyalty extends as deep to the Rangers as it does to the Stars, I was thrilled to hear such news.
And then…well, we all know what happened.
So trust me when I say that I am cheering VERY, VERY HARD for you to be right and for my gut feeling (which, again, is UNSUBSTANTIATED, save for the recent vivid example) to be 100% wrong. Problem is, the same BASTARD that was the root of all the headaches in the previous case is the one that will have to be dealt with again. I am hopeful, but I am not counting chickens just yet. I will believe it’s all over when the ink is dry on the bill of sale and that BASTARD has his things packed in cardboard boxes and bubble wrap. This time, I’m going to guard my nuts so he won’t have a chance to kick them so hard.
How would I fix things? Two step process, same as it ever was:
1.) Identify what’s working, keep it and augment it (which takes MONEY that the current ownership will not commit). The team has some very useful pieces, sure. Those can be built upon. New ownership with a willingness to spend money can close the gap considerably via free-agency if it’s done thoughtfully. And our farm system seems to be rife with talent that will hopefully make the step up to the next level in the near future.
And
2.) Identify what’s not working and discard it. And be timely about it, as nobody’s getting any younger.
And things fit on one side or the other of that ledger. I know where I would put Joe. I know where I would put Richards. I know where I would put Crawford. I know where I would put Fistric. Et cetera…
All of which makes me stand by what I said here originally: This team is not one of the top eight in the Western Conference, and they have not done anything substantial to shore up their weak spots and get better…for more reasons than one.
And there was no ill-will in my original post. Truly. It’s just the way I see it all shaking out.
I hope I’m wrong about it all. I’m not ready to go pick out a spot for a Stanley Cup parade just yet, though.
You think you know. But you ain't got no idea.
by PatrickIn323 on Sep 1, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions
The reason they haven't fixed those problems
is that they literally cannot. There is not an extra sticky 1989 nickel lying around those office in Frisco. They are quite literally out of money completely.
We might as well bitch about a homeless guy living in a freeway underpass failing to purchase high speed internet access.
And on the subject of what we fans hear a coach say after a game…I’m with you. His post game comments made most fans pretty upset last year. But what SHOULD he have said? Should he have alienated everyone in the room by dragging players through the mud 40 times last season? He can’t do that. No coach can. He’s as stuck as we are, IMO.
by Brad Gardner on Sep 1, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey Patrick...
First of all, I want to apologize for getting personal. It’s something I preach against and I went and broke my own rule. I lumped your comment in with the number of thoughtless and pointless comments we’ve seen here and elsewhere and I apologize.
I should also never question someone’s dedication as a fan. For that, I also apologize.
As far as all of your statements above, I agree with pretty much everything you said with a few exceptions.
First, I think we are all in agreement that Crawfords is flat out not the right fit. Unfortunately we can’t do anything about it. So, personally, as a fan and as a writer, I keep my sanity by analyzing the positive and trying to at least enter the season with some sort of positive outlook in what is to come.
I’ve never thought that the Stars are a contending team this season. But I do believe, wholeheartedly, that this team has the ability to at the very least contend for a playoff spot. Perhaps that ability is in spite if marc Crawford. That belief is based on the potential that Mariokart Lehtonen possesses, the presence of Brad Richards, Steve Ott, Brenden Morrow, Jamie Benn, Loui Eriksson, James Neal, and the continued growth of Grossman and Fistric.
To me, its easy to say: they didn’t change, they’ll still suck. It’s much tougher to sit down and determine where its improving and where it could all go right.
Honestly, I respect everyone’s opinion. It is not my place nor my belief to demand everyone agree with me, and I apologize if it came off that way.
As far as the sale goes….eff Tom Hicks.
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by Brandon Worley on Sep 1, 2010 6:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I hope you're right about the defense being "more experienced"
but to me it sounds like a nice way of saying, “We didn’t do anything to improve it.”
by Past A Diving Michael Young on Aug 31, 2010 6:38 PM CDT reply actions
I have to agree with you, Patrick
I’ve said it before… Joe N is a very unimpressive GM whose tenure began with the firing of a coach who had us in the running for a title just about every year he was here, with the exception of the year the ENTIRE TEAM got injured. So we fire him for it and replace him with a guy who makes us worse. Great move, Joe. Here’s a quarter. Buy a clue.
I don't agree with the Crawford hire either.
But no matter who Hicks hired as GM, Tippett was going to be gone.
Let’s not forget the murmurs that Tippett had “lost” the locker room in Dallas. Sure, a lot of injuries hurt that season but let’s not forget a couple of facts:
In 2007 the Stars suffered yet another first round playoff loss because the offense was horrible.
In 2008, the Stars finished 5th in the West but advanced to the Western Conference finals after two upset wins against the Sharks and the Ducks, two teams the Stars matched up perfectly against. Oh yeah, absolutely horrible start to the season.
In 2009, the Stars missed the playoffs. There were some devastating injuries to Morrow and Richards, but the Stars were already going to down the tubes thanks to one of the worst starts in franchise history. Before the injuries.
That was all under Tippett.
He’s a very likable guy and Stars fans loved him. I loved him. Seeing him win the Jack Adams while sneaking the Coyotes into the playoffs didn’t help matters….but once again his team stumbled in the postseason. These are just the facts.
A change was coming. Hicks, probably panicking in light of losing his team sometime in the future, went out on his own and hired a new GM with the purpose of completely changing things.
Was Crawford the right decision? I don’t think so…but I also think that Tippett was likely on his way out anyways.
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by Brandon Worley on Aug 31, 2010 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I think A LOT of it will lay on lehtonen’s shoulders. If he stays healthy and plays like the superstar goalie he can be then we could have an amazing season. maybey im too optimistic, but I feel this year will be much better then the previous two seasons.
GET OFF NIEUWENDYK'S NUTS
No, I think you're right on.
Like Brandon said, we’ve finally got the pieces in place and gotten rid of the wrong pieces that (should) finally let Crawford’s system have success. And Lehtonen is a HUGE part of that, probably the biggest part. But I have full confidence in him.
I think Brandon spelled it out perfectly. There was so many things working against success last year…hopefully now that Crawford has more of the pieces he needs, things will start out better this season. I’m willing to give it time. Changing systems doesn’t happen overnight…
I just hope that locker room thing is all worked out now that certain players are gone…I remember reading the last couple of seasons (even under Tippett) about how quiet the bus rides were. The team chemistry didn’t seem great…but seeing a bunch of the guys already on the ice together in Frisco makes me feel a bit better about it.
Call me an optimist, fine. But you can also call me patiently optimistic ;)
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I don’t understand why we can’t just bring in a coach that is notorious for commanding the players respect. Not to say we have nothing but goons who need to be guided every step of the way, but let’s be honest, what has Crawford REALLY done?
Oh, he won the cup? I’m certain that even the most insignificant of human being could coach a team with HOF’s Sakic, Forsberg, and Roy anchoring that team.
Look what Gultzan(spelling?) has done down in Austin, and tell me you can’t respect a hard working coach like that. I’m calling it right now, that before Christmas, we’ll have him on an interim basis and he’ll do exactly what the coach in Ottawa did last year. Mark my words.
Glen Gulutzan.
This is certainly a possibility. But let’s not forget that he has just one season of coaching experience above the ECHL level.
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by Brandon Worley on Aug 31, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
But...that doesn't mean I don't love the guy as a coach.`
Is it possible down the line? Sure. You’re starting to see a wave of new coaches across the NHL, coming up from the AHL and the ECHL.
I’d like to think that a new coach would be perfect for the Stars.
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by Brandon Worley on Aug 31, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you
for not ripping me a new one like that guy up there ^^
i do read this blog regularly, and i am a huge fan of the work you gentleman do here, so don’t think your work goes unnoticed. I’m not calling for an extreme team makeover featuring Ty whats his name from TV, but as long as they are making strides this year i’ll be okay.
However, when the Penguins started tanking early last season, they fixed their problem, and ended up in the playoffs.
All i’m saying is give it a chance people, then if we lose 15 in a row call for someone’s head. Don’t jump the shark without saving the whale.
Agreed on all counts.
If the Stars start tanking again, for the fourth season in a row, at the beginning of the season…expect things to change quickly. Especially if new ownership is stepping in at the same time.
The thing is, as you say above, the team has yet to play a game this season. There have been some changes this some, some very significant changes. My whole point of this post was to look at how those changes might allow the Stars to grow under Crawford.
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by Brandon Worley on Aug 31, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm expecting Burish to be HUGE
here in Dallas. I know he and Ott on the same line have it’s up’s and down’s, but i can’t help but smile when i think about how he’ll terrorize the league.
Does the D need work? yes. Is there anything we can do about it? no.
Although i would like to see what you can dig up on Marc-Andre Bergeron. He is an UFA and I think he is a step up from Niskanen as far as offensive upside. Booming shot from the point, puck mover, and he’d look great on the third line with Skrastins. He’d also be roughly the same price as Nisky.
i’ll even help you co-write it if you’d like.
All I know is this.
I have a lot of friends who were Canadiens fans. They hated MAB. Absolutely couldn’t stand the guy.
But he always turned up on my “most valuable defensemen” list.
Now, anything can happen, but I doubt the Stars add him or a similar player. They already have a bunch of defensemen on the roster as well.
But that’s not a bad idea to look at it. It’s certainly intriguing.
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by Brandon Worley on Aug 31, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Well i can't disagree with your friends
because he is terrible defensively, but if you just rolled him out there for the PP and occasionally with Mr. Stay-at-home Skrastins, i think it might work out in the stars favor.
So i’m calling for a head to head MAB v. Nisky. there is the obvious age difference and Nisky’s “potential”, but a two way contract and some AHL seasoning would do that kid a world of good.
I also still agree that Woywitka was a mistake, but i mean i’m not losing sleep over his contract, because i’ve seen worse signings.
Write up a FanPost.
You never know…it might get promoted to the front page.
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by Brandon Worley on Aug 31, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
i think
you might be my new best friend.
i’ll see what i can come up with. i had a dream about writing a fan post, but then i realized that i ramble when i write.
Have you read some of my stuff? I do nothing but ramble.
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by Brandon Worley on Aug 31, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
You can't be a good writer if you don't have a habit for rambling ;)
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by Pat Iversen on Aug 31, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
If only you knew
the extent of my fanpost dreams. If i’m not dreaming of fanposts, then i’m usually dreaming of taking Pat’s spot on DBD. =)
i’ve had a few good fanpost dreams actually. they are always WAY more than i’m willing to type when i wake up, but i finally did it, and it was a big topic that was weighing pretty heavily on my mind.
don’t judge me Brad, we can’t all be established blog writers. haha.
*gulp*
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Yeah.
And it’s great to read these things. Lehtonen in Frisco already and this training material from Atlanta. It’s something new with him and it’s cool to read it actually happening. This is not the player who normally gives you these kind of news.
If it all goes well, people in Atlanta will hate Lehtonen, but better late than never.
Yeah, it certainly is a new start for him.
He’s said this summer that he’s focused on actually getting ready for the season physically, something he’s never had to do before. He was treated like a golden god in Atlanta, but here it’s all about tough love.
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by Brandon Worley on Aug 31, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
What I don't understand
is the conclusion that a puck moving goalie is a misfit in this system. I may be missing something, or maybe it was the chemistry with the blue line, but it seems like having the ability to consistently make a single outlet pass up to the blue line and from there a single pass up to a forward at full speed is exactly what Crawford wants. Dumping it in the corner where a D man has to corral it with his back usually turned so he can’t see what is developing on the break out seems to slow things down and let the forecheck develop. I thought Turco was going to be a great fit in this system. To me that he wasn’t had more to do with his ability to stop the puck. Again, to me that had more to do with the quality of shots his D was allowing, and his mental state of mind dealing with that reality … or maybe declining physical abilities.
While I do not disagree with your overall sentiment there are a few areas from which I diverge.
Kari Lehtonen – is a departure from the goal tending style of Marty Turco but that is not necessarily a good thing. I see where it is commonly said that the team played "better" in front of Lehtonen or in this case, more "confidently," but that I believe is mistaken for "different." In front of Auld, in front of Hedberg, in front of Ellis – the team always plays different. I think only one time in the last 10-years can we say the team played better in front of the backup and that was when Ed Belfour was the starter and Turco his backup (probably because Belfour appeared to tank games because he didn’t want to be there or what I believe, it was his way of holding out for a new contract).
Either way, you see an adjustment in the style of play. Perhaps you’re not wrong in assuming Lehtonen’s style favors Crawford’s system but I think what we’ve witnessed so far was not confidence as much as the absence of Turco. Every team plays different in front of their backup; sometimes deservedly so, however the team is so accustomed to Turco’s fore-check-killing style of play and that it is relied upon so heavily that his absence engenders a change in, if nothing else, attitude. Backups are backups typically for a reason – and the team will adjust to limit shots, pick up rebounds, etc.
As Lehtonen assumes the mantle of starter, the attitude of the defense will change as they come to rely upon his style of play. Will it change for the better? That is the question.
The defense – to borrow a phrase from a fellow reader; "square peg, round hole." The players are who they are. Their skills are what they are. One cannot expect the defense to be that much better by simply adding some saltiness to their swagger any more than one could expect Derian Hatcher to be a power-play quarterback simply because he’d played for 10-years.
You will see improvements in the young players’ skill sets but you won’t see an addition to what this team is missing defensively (on both ends of the ice). Yes, you will see Grossman putting more players on their butts and you will see some crisper passing from Fistric but I doubt sincerely you will see any one of the 6 starters, for example, suddenly develop the smarts to run a power play from the point at the volume needed to make the differences necessary.
There is one caveat – Niskanen has the potential, and I stress potential, to be a good defenseman. He has a shot from the point. If there is any one defenseman that can still develop into a point man, he’s it.
Locker room – I won’t speculate on locker room issues. These are professionals who should behave accordingly. If a million dollars does not make one act like a professional, then nothing will. Thereafter it’s simply a matter of like-minded people gathered in the same place. In the absence of cohesion, leadership is needed. Failure at that point is on the leadership.
As to Modano’s departure, regardless of the supposed locker room issues and who they were between, my concern is the answer to the question, who is going to replace his production? The answer from management, namely Nieuwendyk, is no one.
Instead we’re gifted with rhetoric that this team will be younger and Modano’s departure is necessary to grant time to developing players – essentially that he is old and in the way. Apparently this does not apply to Lehtinen who, with his age and propensity for being injured and lack of production over the last three seasons, is the perfect fit on this, young, run-and-gun, "this isn’t 1999, anymore" philosophic mindset team.
We’re also told that by Nieuwendyk that he is happy with the idea that the top 6 forwards will score and the bottom 6 forwards will be "tough to play against." Is this really that much different than Ken Hitchcock’s famous "goals aren’t that important," edict? Don’t worry about goals, folks. The bottom 6 forwards will be tough to play against.
I guess at this point the real question is; how can Crawford’s style apply to this team? A system that asks to recover the puck in the defensive zone as quickly as possible, transition, run, then shoot and recover as quickly as possible – from a goalie that doesn’t play the puck, a defense that does not transition well and will not develop this season into the parts that are missing, forwards asked to play one way 5 on 5 and completely the opposite with the man-advantage, and a lack of production (presumably) from the bottom two lines.
That is not a matter of buying a philosophy. It is a matter of abilities. Either the players will not be able to perform what is required by Crawford or Crawford will be forced to coach to the players’ abilities. Neither side has shown an inclination toward adjustment.
Modano's production
Modano last season: 59 games, 14 goals, 16 assists, 30 points.
Jamie Benn last season: 82 games, 22 goals, 19 assists, 41 points.
Production = replaced.
Plus, if we’re worried about replacing a 30-point center who didn’t play 60 games, we’ve got more issues than we thought.
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Chances are
The Stars do have more issues than you’ve personally thought of.
We are speaking of Modano whose role has been that of a 3rd line center. Benn is projected to be one of those top 6 forwards – not bottom 6. He also will not be expected to assume the same jobs (plural) as Modano had. The question I am posing is, who will – on the third line, since specificity apparently is required – replace his productivity. So far, the answer is no one.
That is unless of course we are assuming Modano’s half-point per game average will be replaced by Ott, Lehtinen, Petersen, Wandell, Sutherby, Segal, Barch or Brunnstrom.
Let’s also keep in mind Benn was also a rookie. One good season does not an equal sign make.
Perhaps that is something you should be thoughtful of in the future before making flippant remarks.
I wasn't being flippant...
I was simply making the point that I think you’re overestimating Modano’s value to the team last year. Yes, you’re right about Benn projecting to be a top-six player. I’ll give you that. His role will be different.
It all really depends on how Crawford decides to use Benn and Wandell…I’m of the mind that Benn should play on the second line while Wandell anchors the third. If that’s the case, then the idea will not be replacing Modano’s production at all, because that third line will have a totally different role. Wandell won’t score a ton of goals, but it isn’t unreasonable to assume that he is capable of being a 30-point player. He was in Sweden. Now, will he this year? No one really knows. But I think Modano’s role as a third-line center (point wise) can be replaced by a couple different players, not just one.
As for his PP role….look for Benn and Ott to get much more time on the PP this year than last. Benn actually had one less goal last season on the PP than Modano, despite seeing less time.
Yes, I’m high on Benn…but why shouldn’t I be? I have no reason to assume he will not progress even farther next season.
So basically what I’m trying to say is this: Don’t worry about replacing Modano’s production. Wandell (or Benn) will step in as the third-line center, and Modano’s point production will be replaced by the production of a number of different players, not just Wandell or Benn by themselves.
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I'm not sure
How you can say I’ve overestimated Modano’s value then say there will be no one person that will replace his production on the third line.
My comment essentially regards Nieuwendyk’s forward selection being somewhat in opposition to Crawford’s system and is not by proxy an indictment of Benn’s playing ability. His ability was not challenged so I see no need to defend it.
The comments were also not to “worry” about Modano’s production replacement – except to say that, for its part in my post that you cannot take Modano or anyone like him away and expect to be better at the position. Let alone, be the supposed Crawford-style razz-ma-tazz offense en toto.
I also don’t believe there is much beyond reason in expecting modest-to-good results from certain players in either new or expanded roles.
That said, Crawford can use players in certain roles all he wants – we’ve seen a number three defenseman played as a number one for 2-years straight – but it does not equate to production – as we’ve seen for 2-years straight.
As much as we’ve been sold a bill of goods that Modano was old and in the way, we’ve also been sold that two scoring lines and two “tough to play against” lines are the way to go.
I meant
Also to add, call it either Modano’s inflated time or Benn’s diminshed time, was due to Modano playing the point most of his time on the PP.
On the subject of Modano's production
The Stars weren’t a big three line threat last season. It did happen. Occasionally. Let’s find out how many times…
Of Modano’s 30 points, 10 came on the PP. (Easily replaceable by Ott, Benn, and Neal) Leaving 20 possibly as “third line” points.
Let’s go to the video tape…None power play goals involving Mike Modano, complete with the team on the ice:
Neal (Modano, Robidas) 3 9 18 21 35 91
Daley (Modano, Robidas) 3 6 9 12 29 31 (the 12 was Sawada)
Modano (Barch, Fistric) 5 9 13 28 31 96
Modano (Fistric, Niskanen) 5 9 17 20 28 31
Modano (Brunnstrom, Petersen) 9 17 28 31 37 96
Modano (Morrow, Benn) 2 6 9 10 14 35
Benn (Skrastins, Modano) 5 14 18 35 37 91
Morrow (Robidas, Modano) 3 9 10 28 35 69
Benn (Modano, Lehtinen) 5 9 14 17 32 37
Benn (Modano, Lehtinen) 6 9 14 26 28 32
Benn (Lehtinen Modano) 9 14 26 35 36 37
Modano (unassisted) 3 5 9 13 17 35
Modano (Daley, Benn) 6 9 14 26 28 35
Modano (Ott) 2 3 9 26 29 35
Modano (Lehtinen) 2 3 9 10 26 31
Eriksson (Modano, Ribeiro) 5 9 10 18 21 63
Modano (Benn, Fistric) 6 9 10 14 28 35
Modano (Ribeiro) 2 3 9 10 35 63
Modano (Neal, Eriksson) 2 3 9 18 21 35
Morrow (Modano, Richards) 3 9 10 21 63 91
I see a lot of 91, 18, 10, 14, 63….Top six talent, in other words.
How much was Modano really out there pushing and pushing, cashing in on even strength goals with 3rd line players?
I’m not saying Modano wouldn’t help whatever team he’s on, just that we don’t want to overvalue what he did last year, and what he would have done in his unmotivated state here next season.
Not to mention the fact that I think if Modano thought the Stars were his only option this season, he would have retired. He’s excited about going some place else because of the state of this Tom Hicks team. Anything he does in Detroit is motivated by his re invigoration. It’s not something he would have necessarily done here.
(I can’t believe we’re still talk about this.)
I agree
I cannot believe there is anything to discuss regarding Modano’s last year with Dallas. Showing a lot of 91, 18, 10, 14, 63 shows me that a bulk of scoring is done by scoring lines 1A and 1B as is expected but do we really need to remind ourselves of the importance of chipping in on lines 3 and 4? Or in this season’s case lines 4A and 4B.
I suppose were we to disregard the importance of lower lines chipping in on offense, then we should also disregard the importance of offensive production from the blue liners as well as disregard comments from the coaching staff and beyond when they call for increased productivity from the lower lines.
Just because having two checking lines will be what we see this year doesn’t mean that it is best, nor that it will fit Crawford’s supposed system.
I also see, since we’re splitting hairs, all but six even-strength goals scored involving at least one perpetual bottom six players (excluding Modano). #10 figured into 5 of them. 18, 14 and 63 figured into those six as well. But I also see: 21 x2, 12, 69, 29 x2, 13 x2, 96 x3, 17 x4, 26 x5.
Disregarding Modano’s contributions serves nothing but the delusion that somehow his absence makes the team better.
There's no one
here, or anywhere else that I know of suggesting that Modano’s absence makes them better. Not even anyone in the Stars organization has said that.
All anyone is saying is that a.) It’s happened, so let’s look at things goinf forward, not second guessing 2 month old decisions and b.) Modano’s absence could potentially be good for the development of younger players.
Why do I have to keep explaining?
The comments weren’t necessarily about Modano himself but rather going forward, as I’ve stated a few times now, there is a hole on the 3rd line where a productive center used to be.
That hole, going forward, will be occupied by grinders who don’t produce even 1/2 point per game.
This is counterintuitive to Crawford’s “system.” Going forward.
That was the point.
Instead, flat-bill-crooked-hat-earring-bad-beard and yourself made this solely about Modano and how easily his production will be replaced on the 3rd line first by showing how a top-6 forward would replace his production, then stating he’s been over-valued and then attempting to find a way to totally disregard the contributions and roles he played.
None of those things lessens my point or strengthens someone else’s so, as with the great Benn-defense, I’m at a loss as to what it has to do with anything.
It goes back to essentially my final paragraph in my first post that this season won’t be a matter of buying a philosophy – and by extension, being better – but rather that of skill in Crawford’s run-and-gun “system.” The bottom-6 don’t have it. At least on paper – and any recent history.
Because, as I was saying, Crawford has not shown a propensity for coaching to talent; whatever that talent might be.
This is all a round about way
to say the team isn’t that talented all the way up and down the lineup? What team does have that necessary skill in their bottom six? Not very many. That’s why they’re the good teams.
The budget is $45 million. So this is all a foregone conclusion.
This season is about giving Wandell a chance to be that guy. Jamie Benn might be that guy too. It’s not clear if they plan to continue his conversion to center or not at this point.
All we can do is accept as unchangeable fact that Marc Crawford is the coach of this team with a $45 million payroll, and then go from there to try to find the positives. That’s what Brandon was trying to do.
Hey now
I like my hat :P
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Crawford-Mean Girls picture anyone?

His hair always makes me think of that quote.
Here's to all us girls who love hockey...and the men who play it.
by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Sep 1, 2010 1:05 PM CDT reply actions
My husband did a pictoral comparison of him and a crested penguin once.
It was hilarious, they had the same facial expression and everything. Unfortunately I can’t find it.
Would it be terrible
if I considered us winning more than 2 games in a row a ‘success’ for this upcoming season?
Hah, good point.
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Not at all.
When we do get that third consecutive win this season, that Game Recap thread will be rockin.
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