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Dallas Stars Fights: A Pugilistic Year in Review

Fighting. What is its place in the game of hockey? It's a debate in which the non-hockey die hard interjects their opinion a little too frequently (here's looking at you "main stream media") and one on which the most stubborn hockey purists can be divided. That's not what I wish to talk about today. Fighting has a valuable place in hockey. Deal with it.

The issue, for this brief moment, is my interest in it. From October 1st to about mid-June, my appreciation is approximately zero, particularly where the Dallas Stars are concerned. As a season ticket holder I encounter gobs of casual fans. These fans, when a fight should occur, usually stand up with a kind of giddy zeal, as thought to say "YES. THIS IS WHY I CAME." They scream and cheer with a greedy sort of relish, born of stereotypes, ignorance... whatever. During these times, I remain firmly entrenched with both buttocks touching my seat. I fail to see how any of it has to do with where the next Stars goal is coming from, and how it will help the Stars make the playoffs (My only goal in life between September and April every year.)

But there IS a time to appreciate a good fight, and that time is right around August 30th in the dead of the off-season.

Hockeyfights.com is one of the crown jewels of the NHL blogosphere (and leagues beyond.) These guys, and their members, comb through every fight with painstaking detail, and while most of them consider Steve Ott to be some kind of villain, (a 20 goal scoring villain) their comments are entertaining nontheless.

The complete list of Dallas Stars fights can be found here. What follows are my own personal favorites, sprinkled with input from other DBD writers. The criteria is simply entertainment value and preferably an outcome that favors the good guys. 5 was too nice a number. I had to go with 6...

#6. Jamie Benn vs Johnson

This one is as much a win for the Stars as it is for their production truck. Jamie Benn sticks out a couple of tough blows from Johnson, only to come back HARD and land the deciding punch of his own, and then on top of that the crew is right on the money with the instantaneous Ott reaction shot. Well done, guys, and love the Ralph and Razor homer call as well.

Much love to Jamie Benn for scoring 20+ goals in his rookie year, AND dropping the gloves like a pro.

More after the jump...

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#5. Steve Ott vs Chimera

Hockeyfights.com scores out next bout at over 70% in Ott's favor, and it's hard to argue. Steve starts and finishes strong here in a game that was a turning point in James Neal's season. 69 penalty minutes in this one added up to an ugly Dallas loss, but this Ott/Chimera fight was part of the rich tapestry that was Stars vs Blue Jackets last year. A nastiness that will likely carry over into the coming season.

#4. Fistric vs Nystrom

Next up, a controversial bout that had us all sitting on our hands for the next 24 hours while we waited for a suspension that never came to Mark Fistric. He inadvertently, in his superiority over Eric Nystrom, grabs his helmet and accidentally beats him with it as his fury rained down upon him.

We all make mistakes, right?

Helmet or no helmet, Fistric was going to have his way with Nystrom here in an entertaining whopping....

#3. Barchy vs Janssen

This one we add with an eye on the future, while acknowledging the greatness of the fight itself. Recently these guys hooked up on Twitter and seemingly set a date for the the 2010-2011 campaign. It won't be their first go-around. [Link - Pro Hockey Talk]

These guys met last year and it was an entertaining affair. Simultaneous rights by Janssen and lefts by Barch made for quite a spectacle. Get ready for Barch Janssen II next year.

#2. Steve Ott vs Clusterbuck

Here Clutterbuck makes a marginal, though legal hit on Richards, and Ott does his job. You don't extend the arms on a teams best player like that and not answer for it. It's part of the game. Clutterbuck was the big man on the hit, but was completely and utterly unable to answer the bell when Ott came a calling (in the battle between an extremely short name versus an extremely long one.) Point Ott. Enough said.

 

#1. Brenden Morrow vs. Tim Gleason

Finally, an allegedly personal fight between Morrow and Gleason of the Carolina Hurricanes.  Brenden Morrow was supposedly sticking up for one of his teammates in a personal matter and we'd prefer to leave it at that. There's more then enough rumor out there that I'm sure you can figure out the uncertain details of it.

Brenden leaves it all on the ice here, and however true or false the personal matter, you can see he means business. Morrow is a man. Exhibit A:

You'll notice several things. The hockeyfights.com folks seems to have it right that Gleason actually lands basically nothing, despite the take down. The other item of note is Razor's comment that "That's a teammate," despite nothing having been done in the game to warrant such a violent exhibition. Razor knows the goings on behind the scenes.

Got a beef? Rank your favorite Dallas Stars fights in the comments. My own opinion is bound to be flawed and baseless, if writing my thoughts down publicly for several seasons has taught me anything. ;)

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This is what I miss most

When I am AT the games. The Ralph and Razor treatment on stuff like this. The play by play at home games.

I need to invest in a radio apparently.

by Brad Gardner on Aug 30, 2010 2:50 AM CDT reply actions  

now i’m curious what this personal matter was.

and i’m really not a fan of the “big hit on a player, let’s fight” unwritten rule. it slows the game down. and it’s just flat out goonish.

by AA6 on Aug 30, 2010 3:18 AM CDT reply actions  

something about Steve Ott’s girlfriend or wife knockin boots with Gleason

by D.Graf on Aug 30, 2010 4:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

i've been playing and watching my whole life

and i LOVE fights. look, there are times for it, and times when it’s stupid. but in the right moment, if your on that bench and your guy lands a few, you want to go out immediately and work even harder than he did in the fight. it really, truthfully can spark a team, at any level.

and when you know you tagged the guy a couple, regardless of your role on the team, there’s a level of unmentioned satisfaction. and it really can be beneficial.

and i’m totally for sticking up for a teammate, sending a message, etc. this is hockey. not BLEEP soccer. you don’t want to get hit, go play soccer where the better complainer you are, the better player you are.

by agvdstars on Aug 30, 2010 4:00 AM CDT reply actions  

but i don't condone going after a guy who ain't swinging

though if you’re in the league, you better be willing to stand up for yourself. little catch 22 if ya will.

by agvdstars on Aug 30, 2010 4:01 AM CDT reply actions  

I guess you're counting the top 6 from last season only...

But every time fights are discussed, I have to go back to my favorite Aaron Downey fight. The greatest/shortest fight of all time…

I think this is it, but youtube is disabled at my office, so I don’t know for sure…

by Tsudbury on Aug 30, 2010 8:11 AM CDT reply actions  

There's no doubt in my mind he Fistric walloped Nystrom on purpose.

But that’s what he gets for picking a fight after a good clean hip check. It wasn’t even a hard hit.

One of the last Joe Nieuwendyk supporters in Dallas....
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by Brandon Worley on Aug 30, 2010 10:06 AM CDT reply actions  

stuff like this...

makes me wish they can get the season going NOW.

I remember watching that Morrow fight thinking “man its great to see a little bit of his bad ass-ness come out again”

by ibsurfer91932 on Aug 30, 2010 2:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Benn and EJ's fight inspired me to make this

Quote courtesty of Mean Girls.

Here's to all us girls who love hockey...and the men who play it.

by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Aug 30, 2010 3:50 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Awesome!

Fired me up…let’s get the season started, Wind Hair and all…

by Mike Russo on Aug 30, 2010 5:09 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm with you on the casual fans

but really, you don’t enjoy the fights while they’re happening?

For the record, I like Face, but his defense is, well, indefensible. Don't believe me? Click here, then here and here.

by Past A Diving Michael Young on Aug 30, 2010 11:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Well...

I think part of my point is my annoyance at the disregard most fans seem to have for the context of a fight. They literally don’t care, but there’s about a thousand things to consider between the time the gloves leave the hands and the first blows land.

Who’s winning?
Were there going to be penalties before this started (very often the case)
How much time is left in the period?
How is this going to affect momentum?
Is the fighter a regular on the penalty kill?
What this a rehearsed, pre planned thing between Barch and _ ?
Have these guys fought before?
Was it a “third man in situation?”
Are we about to be down a man?
Our special teams faceoff percentage is so bad that immediately following this fight, there’s about to be a really prime scoring chance for the other team.
We’re losing by/winning by three, so who really cares?

These are the things whirring through my mind in that nano second between gloves being thrown off and punches landing. My guiding light is the scoreboard. We either get 2 points, or we don’t. Fighting is often a distraction.

But there are good fights. There are situations where the situation warrants or demands it. They are few and far between compared to the overall # of fighting majors… but those I will stand up and cheer for.

by Brad Gardner on Aug 30, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was at the Ott Clutterbuck Slugfest

4 rows back of the glass. I know what you mean about “casual fans” if you can call them that. But I will say, no doubt, that they do add some electricity to the environment.

"I'm ok with being unimpressive..I sleep better"

by karma_kaze on Aug 30, 2010 11:44 PM CDT reply actions  

The fights, not the casual fans

"I'm ok with being unimpressive..I sleep better"

by karma_kaze on Aug 30, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Either way, you're right

And “home ice advantage” needs casual fans. My cynicism does not make for a good home ice advantage. If everyone were like me, the arena would rise and cheer every faceoff win and penalty kill clear, and be woefully silent and skeptical of the near “scoring chances” that people love to jump up and yell “Ahhhhh” at. These don’t phase me a bit.

We need the fights, AND we need the casual fans. They create the atmosphere heard in so many of the above videos. I just wish I could relate sometimes.

by Brad Gardner on Aug 31, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I got ya man.

Well, this was my first few posts here and I can’t wait for the season. Foolishly optimistic I guess. Any news on Wandell’s recovery?

"I'm ok with being unimpressive..I sleep better"

by karma_kaze on Aug 31, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Welcome to the site!

And the latest news we got was snippets from Heika and a Swedish newspaper a couple weeks ago, saying that Wandell’s recovery is ahead of schedule and he’s even already scrimmaging in Sweden. Sounds like he’ll be ready to go.

by Pat Iversen on Aug 31, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I'm REAL interested

in who Morrow was sticking up for against Gleason. Let’s eliminate the obvious ones who don’t have a beef with that Caney.

Ott, Morrow, Barch

Any ideas?

by Tyler Bouldin on Aug 31, 2010 1:00 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't like to gossip,

but supposedly Gleason messed around with Otter’s wife and that’s what it was all about.

Here's to all us girls who love hockey...and the men who play it.

by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Aug 31, 2010 7:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

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