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Thoughts On Joe Nieuwendyk, Mike Modano, Marty Turco and the Future

Ever since news broke that Mike Modano was being courted by the Detroit Red Wings, I knew this day would come. The situation was too perfect for Modano, to be able to spend one last year playing hockey in his hometown. Sure, he wanted to wait until August to make his decision, but as soon as I heard him say he knew how Brett Favre felt I knew he'd be back in 2010.

Unfortunately it just won't be with the Dallas Stars.

All summer long, we've engaged in debate over the merits of Joe Nieuwendyk as the general manager of the Dallas Stars. Before the news that the Stars would be moving on with Modano, there was already a rage building against Nieuwendyk -- one that seemed predicated on the apparent lack of a plan or vision for building the Stars and the inability to move them forward and improve the team. After Nieuwendyk's announcement that the Stars would not be offering Modano a contract, that growing sentiment instantly turned into outright rage.

The Stars were going to let the best player in the history of the franchise walk away and for that alone Nieuwendyk deserves to be fired. Of course, many of you have many other reasons but this certainly seemed to be the straw on the proverbial camel's back.

Personally, I'm a bit perplexed at the vehemence shown toward Nieuwendyk and the impatience I'm seeing amongst Stars fans. I've said several times (and it's in my signature) that I'm one of Joe Nieuwendyk's last remaining supporters and it seems that is ringing more true today than ever before.

I am not a blind follower, however. I don't believe every move Nieuwendyk makes is the right one. I don't agree with his decision to not draft any defensemen last year, I don't think the Stephane Robidas contract was exceptionally smart, I certainly didn't agree with the Krys Barch contract and while I love Jack Campbell's abilities and potential I still winced at passing up Cam Fowler this past summer. Yet I also believe that Nieuwendyk deserves more than a year and more than a pair of handcuffs on his budget before I truly lay judgement.

This summer has been perhaps the hardest summer for Stars fans to get through, and it's something I warned about last fall. I knew this was coming, perhaps didn't know it would be this bad, but with the impending sale, the imminent departure of Modano, Lehtinen and like Turco and the small budget I could just feel that there would be rough times ahead.

Well, here we are. It seems we're on the verge of full fledged revolt.

I'm not here to say that those who feel ill against Joe Nieuwendyk are wrong, nor that their point of view is "dumb" just because it's contrary to mine. If those that are rallying against Nieuwendyk have a logical and legitimate reason for their discontent, them I'm more than happy to debate and argue the merits of each side. Last night I was enjoying one such debate with two regular readers.

Still, after thinking things through today and hearing/reading reaction to the Modano news -- especially after the Marty Turco news -- I felt I needed to address certain key points as it relates to Nieuwendyk and the Stars. I'm not here to tell you that my opinion is the only right one, but I do believe that I'm doing as good a job as possible at keeping my emotions away from my thinking in all this.

Follow the jump.

Star-divide

The decision to let Marty Turco go via free agency, and move forward with Kari Lehtonen in goal.

As soon as the Dallas Stars traded for Kari Lehtonen, this was the writing on the wall. Sure, the Stars wanted to wait and see how Lehtonen would play once healthy but it was apparent since February that Marty Turco would not be returning to the Dallas Stars next season.

Since the beginning of the season, Stars fans knew there was a good chance Turco would be gone and immediately speculation began to spread over what sort of return the Stars could get via trade for Turco. If the Stars lost Turco to free agency and didn't get anything in return, then that would be a failure on the Stars part.

Not only did the Stars not trade Turco, but they traded away the team's top prospect in order to acquire his replacement in Kari Lehtonen. What's even more frustrating was that in the end, Turco signed in Chicago for half of what Lehtonen will be making next season. When part of the reason for moving on was that Turco's asking price would be too high for the Stars, the final figures are very tough for Stars fans to take.

Except, like the other issues I'll cover, this wasn't just about the finances.

First of all, Turco was not going to settle for $1.35 million to stay in Dallas. Not going to happen. Second of all, it took an incredible set of circumstances for Turco to finally sign as a free agent in Chicago -- and his contract was one of the relatively expensive contracts handed out to goaltenders this summer.

The Stars did attempt to trade Turco; there just wasn't a market for a 34-year old goaltender making his salary. The times of the expensive, superstar free agent netminder appear to be over and what happened this summer with Turco and Evgeni Nabokov is a perfect example of what's happening in the NHL right now. Turco turned down a lucrative offer from the Flyers, a multi-year deal, thinking he'd get more on the open market. He was way, way wrong.

Looking back on all this, it was obvious that the Stars weren't going to get anything for Turco via trade nor would they be able to keep him. Judging by what he's said this summer, it also seems that Turco was ready to leave anyways. Whether you like it or not, Turco just isn't the sort of goaltender who can carry a mediocre hockey team on his back. For all the good he's done, for all the wins and for all the great play -- he proved these past two years he's just not that kind of goaltender.

Kari Lehtonen is. That's what the Stars are gambling on, that Lehtonen can take his level of play to the next level, carry this team and hopefully steal some wins for a team that is going to be clawing it's way towards a playoff spot this season.

More on that later.

The decision to not offer Mike Modano a contract and to let him walk, should he choose to keep playing.

This is the tough one, and I've heard it all.

The Dallas Stars should have offered Modano a contract, for whatever he wanted, just because "he's Modano".

The Stars were wrong to not let Modano finish his career in Dallas, and should have done anything possible to get him to stay.

The Dallas Stars basically "ran Modano out of town".

The way Joe Nieuwendyk handled the release of Modano was "classless".

For all of these above, Joe Nieuwendyk should be fired. That Mike Modano would go on and sign with the hated Detroit Red Wings just made things even worse.

For me, I have to look at this logically. So I'll break it down.

Mike Modano is 40 years old and has not been an above average player for over two years. Because, from time to time, he still flashes his signature speed and his incredible slap shot we like to pretend that he's still the Mike Modano we'd all come to love. That is not reality.

Reality is that Modano, while still relatively healthy, was a shell of his former self last season. He has a string of great games in the beginning of the season, then completely disappeared for just about the rest of it. In 59 games he had 14 goals and 30 points, after scoring just 15 goals in 2008-2009.

If the Dallas Stars were going to be fighting for a Pacific Division title next season, I have to think the Stars would have strongly considered asking Modano to return. If the Dallas Stars were expected to be Western Conference contenders, there's a strong chance Modano returns.

As it is, the Stars are trying to move forward and rebuild a bit on the fly with younger players. The Stars aren't likely to be contending for anything but 8th place next season, and having Modano on the team and slowing the progress and development of several young players on the roster is not anywhere near good for the long-term future of the Stars.

If the Stars kept Modano next season, he wouldn't have taken six to eight minutes per game on the fourth line, with limited time on the power play. He was already upset with the limited minutes he had last season on the third line. Forget the finances of the situation -- there was nothing that Modano could bring to the Stars next season that Jamie Benn or Tom Wandell couldn't provide themselves.

I take it back. There is one thing. Mike Modano would continue to be the face of the franchise, the aging superstar who reminds fans of the glory we all enjoyed over a decade ago. To some, that matter more than the development of players the Stars will be relying on in three years.

Let's be realistic here, Mike Modano is very likely not going to play hockey after this season. This is his swan song, supposedly. Would having Modano return for one more season, a lost season where he effectively blocks the continuing growth of young players, be worth it? Not at all.

Joe Nieuwendyk has a plan. I hope.

Fans get lost in the nostalgia, and unfortunately at times forget to see the big picture.

Joe Nieuwendyk inherited an aging, overpaid team last summer. Since then, he's had the very difficult task of turning the Stars into a younger, faster and more skilled roster that resembles the vision he has for the team he wants to build around. For too long, the Stars have used veteran free agents and older players to plug the holes while attempting to maintain the same nucleus of the defensive system under Dave Tippett.

Nieuwendyk wants faster, more aggressive. He also wants a team that is younger and built for the future. It always seemed like the Dallas Stars were banking on winning here and now, gambling on the current season.

We are now feeling those effects.

Nieuwendyk isn't putting the team into complete rebuild mode, but he is making the very hard decisions of moving on from the older veterans that don't have a future in his system. It would be nice if he had the money to be able to make moves that also improve the team now, but to me it seems he's gearing up for the future as well.

He wants his young players to gain experience and to development and realize their potential. This season may not look too promising, but a key trade or a key free agency acquisition (once the budgetary restrictions are lifted) could be the key to setting the Stars back on the path towards the top.

Imagine a team with James Neal, Jamie Benn, Loui Eriksson, Tom Wandell and Steve Ott that is more experienced and more dangerous, that Nieuwendyk has placed select skilled, veteran defensemen and several young and skilled forwards. In front of a revitalized Lehtonen, that team could be dangerous.

I know that fans are angry now. I know that fans are upset that Modano will be in Detroit this season, and are likely upset over how his release was handled. Looking down the road, it's easy to see why this was the right decision to be made.

I never wanted to see Modano play for another team, ever. It pains me to know he'll be wearing red next season. Yet I can't allow those emotions to cloud my judgment on what the future might have in store.

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Thanks BW. I couldn't agree more. In fact I had just posted this comment on a previous story.

For all you who are mad at the Stars and GM Joe over this, I have a news flash for you: Mo did not play that well here the last two years. I know, it’s shocking, isn’t it. Frequently, he went completely invisible because he was not happy with the role he had on the team. That role was not going to change for the better. What was Joe supposed to do? Please explain what other options he had? Would it have been better to offer Mo a contract for a million that Joe didn’t really have to watch Mo do nothing all year?

Sorry people, but sometimes reality sucks.

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by laughs2loud on Aug 3, 2010 4:40 PM CDT reply actions  

JOE...

he started off the whole season terrible by getting rid of tippet and bringing in crawford. everyone says mom didnt like his role. turco can’t play in the new system. how about keep tippet, chalk the bad season up to never ending injurgies, and bring him back to a healthy team. Joe is to blame!

by jdmhonda05 on Aug 4, 2010 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe...

But what’s done is done. I didn’t agree with his decision either, but Tippet isn’t coming back and no amount of whining or calling for Joe to be fired is going to change that. Everyone’s point is that it’s just been one year and to give him time. Judging him like this now would be like hiring someone to design your house and firing him before he finished the first floor because you didn’t like the cabinets he picked out.

I will, however, eat a shoe if we sign Niemi like some dumb article on nhl.com suggested.

by Sugaa on Aug 4, 2010 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

As soon as Hicks hired Joe Nieuwendyk, Tippett was gone.

The hiring of Nieuwendyk was to take the Stars in a new direction, to build this team into something different than the defensive, safe system that Tippett had been using.

If Nieuwendyk wanted to change the system, he needed a new coach. Simple as that.

There’s also the thought that Tippett had “lost the locker room”, that he didn’t command the respect from the players he once did or that the players and the coach were just too familiar. It was time for change.

Now…do I think Crawford was the right guy to make that change? Umm………we’ll see.

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by Brandon Worley on Aug 4, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I do want to add an amendment.

Despite my defense of Nieuwendyk, I’m not exactly convinced just yet that he will be able to build this team into a contender.

I still don’t think Marc Crawford is the perfect fit.

I just think I’m willing to give him more than 12 months.

Ask me again next summer.

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by Brandon Worley on Aug 3, 2010 5:38 PM CDT reply actions  

No, I'm not convinced yet either.

Particularly about Crawford as the coach but in this instance, I did not see how else it could have realistically played out.

Classic “don’t shoot the messenger, because you don’t like the message.”

And I told myself, I was not going this Marty & Mo stuff get to me. Ah, well, there is always next time.

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by laughs2loud on Aug 3, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's exactly where I began to question

GM Joe – the very beginning. He told the media he would think long and hard about Tipp’s replacement, then he practically turned around and announced it was Crawford within a day or two of that statement. In my mind, he had already made the decision. I’m sorry, but there were, IMO, better choices.

Lehtonen is a huge risk, and he’s being paid pretty handsomely for three years.

Then there are two questionable drafts. Two years ago, was Glennie the best pick in at eight? The absolute best? Time will tell, I guess. And this year, sure, Campbell is gifted, but what was the greatest position of need? Not goaltender.

He may very well end up being a great GM, but he certainly hasn’t made me stand up and say “Yes!” – yet.

by Mike Russo on Aug 3, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Concerning Drafting

I’d like to preface this; when I heard the Stars took a goalie at 11 and Fowler and Gromley were still available, I flipped out. I yelled, I moaned, I complained to other fans. Then I stopped, thought about, and came to this conclusion.

Stars position is to Draft the best available. Not draft for a need. We need a star defenseman right now, not a draft pick that will hopefully transfer his skills to the pro game. Fowler and Gromley could be studs this year. It could take them several years, like the Stars are planning with their draft picks of Nemeth, and Klingberg.

I’d like to point out that of the 5 picks, 3 were defensemen, and 2 of those defensemen (Nemeth and Klingberg) are being very touted and labeled as almost steals at the picks we got them at.

On top of that, this defense core is not that far from being in place for a severely underpaid team. You place 1 top defenseman that can eat minutes for breakfast and everyone falls right to where they need to be to be effective. Currently playing the minutes they all do they are very over exposed and easily taken advantage of. Not saying either currently is the defenseman we are looking for but Larsen is showing great promise, and Niskanen could easily return to Zubov-Pairing form. You never know.

TL;DR: You don’t draft for a position of need. You trade or sign for that. You draft to improve your team over the long run, which I believe he has done.

by Brandon Harrison on Aug 5, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude.

I like you.

You can stay.

One of the last Joe Nieuwendyk supporters in Dallas....
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by Brandon Worley on Aug 5, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Crawford is definitely not the guy to get us there.

This was probably Nieuwendyks biggest mistake going into last season. This team showed countless times that it was ill prepared and when it happens time after time its no longer a player issue and becomes a coaching issue.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Aug 4, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Think Crawford Is A Bridge

I agree that Crawford is not the guy to get us to the Promised Land. I don’t think The Best Guy for this task was available either due to the team not having the resources to sign him or due to The Best Guy not wanting to sign onto a mess like the Stars and their ownership & money problems.

I think Joe saw Crawford as The Best Available Guy. In the kind of situation the Stars were in last season, getting The Best Available Guy is the best that you can hope for. I don’t think Marc Crawford will be behind the bench the next time the Stars win a Stanley Cup, but I do think he has a role to play as a bridge to that future date.

by Mister Naxal on Aug 5, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great read. Joe was handed a big bucket of WTF, and did the best he could.

Sometimes, “good ole days” sydrome can get you through a couple of periods when you have no hope that the team is going to put up a fight. There were some games last year when I felt I was watching a pre-season game.

I don’t get to be in the stands every night but there were times when I might have hesitated over making the trip. You can’t fast forward through the commercials when you’re at the AAC.

But something caught my eye, reading all of the press about Chicago where despite losing eight players from their SCF, they still have – and the article would go on to list a half-dozen core players. Dallas, despite having lost Turco and Modano, still has – Richards, Morrow, Ribeiro, Benn, Neal, Ott….throw in a couple of lunchbucket carrying fan favourites and you have a pretty good list. I am looking forward to seeing Lehtonen in goal this year – it’s going to be a creat comeback story.

I’m ready for the next version of the Dallas Stars. (Good God, is it still only AUGUST?)

by cC Dallas on Aug 3, 2010 6:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Whether you're right or wrong.....

I just appreciate having something new to read relating to the Stars.

Also, I do agree with you about Joe’s situation. His job is to do what he thinks makes the Stars a winner. I remember reading one of Mark Cuban’s blog posts last year where he talked about why a business owner shouldn’t always listen to the customer. It talked about how the customer would always ask for what was good at the time, but if the business kept running as the customers asked, it would fail to adjust to the times and fail to be innovative. Customers will eventually buy from a newer more innovative business. That’s why a business owner should try to think ahead and do things that a customer might not like at the time. I think the post really applies here. People like Modano and Turco will always be fan favorites here, but Joe can’t worry about that. His job is to find ways to make a team better in ways a fan like you or me couldn’t. We may not necessarily like it at the time, but we will like it if he turns out to be right. That’s why he gets paid to do it and I give my two cents for free.

Now let’s just hope the team gets sold to a good owner and the Joe gets a fair shot at showing us his talents.

by DFWFan on Aug 3, 2010 7:21 PM CDT reply actions  

karma???

Thats a really valid point about how a business owner should not listen to the customer. I think its interesting how a “fan favorite” in Joe was traded years ago to try and make the team better (not very successful in my opinion) in a move that was not very popular at all and today Joe now finds himself having to do the very same type of moves. I wish Mo would have only suited out for the Stars, but to get the team moving in the direction we all want to see, something like that needed to be done. To be really honest given the fact that the Stars are still 2-3 years out from being true contenders, I hope next May I get to see Turco and Mo go at it in the Western finals. I feel Joe and the Front Office is doing the best they can given the team’s situation, but I really hope I’m not lying to myself trying to believe these puzzle pieces are whats need for the big picture.

by andes175 on Aug 3, 2010 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I really do feel like I'm trying to fool myself sometimes...

But I realize that these moves aren’t the best moves, they’re just the best under the given circumstances. He not only has to deal with the budget, he’s also not allowed to go into complete rebuilding.

We are a hockey team in Texas after all. And even though we may be highly rated in Forbes, it’s hard to maintain that high profiatbility in the same city as the Dallas Cowboys, Dallas Mavericks and Texas Rangers without a decent product on the ice. A team like Edmonton can afford to rebuild without losing too many fans. We on the other hand, can’t.

by DFWFan on Aug 4, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

My head hurts

From all the nodding I did while reading this piece.

by Brad Gardner on Aug 3, 2010 11:13 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Money

It’s really all about money, and it sucks. I don’t agree with all his moves, but would he have been forced to make them if he had some money to spend? There’d be no way of knowing. I feel like pointing the finger at GM Joe is like saying Sean Avery is the entire reason we didn’t win the Stanley Cup in the 2008-2009 season.

We built a team expecting to sign, trade, and spend to the cap. Now that we can’t do it, all we can do is complain, and that’s just frustrating. Let’s get this sale over with and get back to contending in the West again.

by Stars43 on Aug 4, 2010 12:21 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Great post.

I don’t have that much to say, because Brandon and others said it all, but I will tell you this.

While move to Detroit is Venom…
To me Modano is so called “untouchable”. When he played good, I was so glad. When he didn’t, there was no conversation. He was just something that has always been there.
There were always Avery, Parrish and others who got the blame.

I hope that Turco will have good time with Chicago. It was sad to see him go, but I knew it when Lehtonen came. So I just started slowly imagine Lehtonen as number one and here we be.

I also don’t want Joe fired just yet, Crawfors perhaps, but not Joe.
He has some time still and to those who said that Joe did nothing to them…
He did sign Ott and because of his new salary, he will have bigger role. Isn’t he still one of the biggest favourites? Before extension, there were many who said that they will not support Stars, if he is gone… You can’t have it all, like it or not.

I just hope that Lehtonen will stay healthy and Gallagher will buy Stars… Then next season should be something to see, yes?

by Henri Muroke on Aug 4, 2010 4:18 AM CDT reply actions  

If Crawford is fired

That looks bad on Joe. That’s the last thing he wants.

And that Ott deal was a little pricey. Just saying…

I want nothing more than success for this team this season. Mo and Marty are not factors in that, regardless of whether they’re here or gone. It’s the fact everyone fails to mention, probably because the subject is moot until the team gets some cash: The defense, as is, is not good enough to get the job done.

by Mike Russo on Aug 4, 2010 5:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Crow can't get the boys to work the system by the end of this season

He’ll be let go. You have to be willing to give it a couple tries to see if it takes, but there’s no way we can wait any longer after this season.

by Tsudbury on Aug 4, 2010 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

You don't think they'll get one more year

With an increased budget?

I do.

Year one will have been “They were learning”

And year two will be “Well the budget restrictions were too hard”

And year three will be the make or break year after they hopefully add a piece or two.

by Brad Gardner on Aug 4, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not talking about missing playoffs because of pieces we don't have...

I mean getting the players we DO have comfortable with this new system. I like the idea behind the system, but if you can’t get a bunch of players on your team to adjust to the way you want them to play, I think that’s a coaching issue that needs to be resolved.

It’ll be interesting to see how everyone on the team adapts this season. Especially Ribroast.

by Tsudbury on Aug 4, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gallagher?

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by Brandon Worley on Aug 4, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I’m very excited to watch the stars going forward. Without Modano and with money, we just might be able to make the playoffs.

P.S. Has anyone heard anything about Jere? I’m still holding out that he’ll come back.

Here's to all us girls who love hockey...and the men who play it.

by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Aug 4, 2010 9:47 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't think the Stars have a need for him, honestly...

I doubt he’ll be back. I’ll miss having him, but he hasn’t really had much of an impact the last couple seasons either…

by Tsudbury on Aug 4, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Brett Hull Redux

For all of the younger fans that may not remember the cup years, and I say years because we contended for several, The team did the same thing with Hull and, yes, Niewendyk in either trading or not re-signing. It was painful seeing Hull in red hoisting the cup and watching Niewendyk, Langenbrunner, Matvichuk , and even Grant Marshall, beating the Ducks for another cup on another team. Dallas decided not to re-sign the team captain, Derian Hatcher or Ace netminder Ed Belfour It seemed like a dismanteling of the team that brought such success to Dallas. In retrospect it needed to be done. The Cowboys had to make those same tough decisions with their core players and yes, Troy Aikman almost pulled a Modano but decided to retire. As much as I loved each one of th players that have moved on or been sent packing it needs to be done and should have been done 4-5 years ago.

by Arfvedsonite on Aug 4, 2010 9:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Completely different situation with Brett Hull.

Hull was still scoring over 35 goals a season and was the highest scorer in the playoffs two straight years. Hull was a key piece of that Red Wings team.

Hull would have been a key piece for the Stars.

Mike Modano is at the very, tail end of his career. Completely different.

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by Brandon Worley on Aug 4, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed
As much as I loved each one of th players that have moved on or been sent packing it needs to be done and should have been done 4-5 years ago.

Not that far back, 5 years ago we were coming out of the lockout the number 2 seed in the West and one of the favorites to play for the Cup. Obviously the team never reached their potential, but we were still winning the West that far back.

As for the Stars situation with Mo vs Hull they were completely different. Mike is literally at the end of his career, where Brett (who was a journeyman) wanted more money. In comparing the guys to other athletes, Mo is much more like Troy Aikman when we retired were Hull was more like Jerry Rice, still putting up numbers and moved across the Bay. Its hard to see guys like Jere, Mo, and Turks leave, but it happens to a TON of great organizations. It happened to the Cowboys (Dorsett, Emmitt), 49ers (Rice, Montana) Oilers (Gretzky). I was mad when we let Mo go and mad he’s going to put on that terrible color of red, but the writing on the wall became more and more evident as time went on with little talk between Mo and the team, but its sadly part of the game.

by andes175 on Aug 4, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

No word on Jere.

People in Finland have asked his future also and he can’t say yet. I think it’s fun to have vacation without being totally injured. Perhaps that is the reason why he can’t see his options yet. There is also those who think that he will return to Espoo Blues in Sm-liiga, but it’s too early to tell.

by Henri Muroke on Aug 4, 2010 11:22 AM CDT reply actions  

great article Brandon

glad you’re back here at DBD

Proud fan of the #1 college hockey team in the nation - Miami University Redhawks - The Brotherhood. RIP Brendan Burke.

by Happy Girl on Aug 4, 2010 11:41 AM CDT reply actions  

I completely agree about Fowler.

I think that one’s going to come back to bite us. The thing is in this league top notch goaltending isn’t really needed anymore and all you really need is an above average guy and those are always available. Top ranked defenders(especially young ones) are rarely available and if they are come at a huge cost. The last 6 cups have been won with average goalies who had well above average D-men in front of them.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Aug 4, 2010 12:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Joe Nieuwendyk inherited . . . ?

Sounds like Obama talk!

When you actively seek a job, President or GM, how do you constantly whine about what you inherited?
When you actively seek a job and campaign for it, how stupid do you have to be to take it on when you know going in how hopeless it seems?
No one put a gun to your head and forced you to take the job!
Quit crying about what you inherited. Take the job and accepted the hits that go with it or get out if you can’t take the heat!

I would respect GM Joe a lot more if he would just make the changes he thinks are necessary, the devil be damned, and quit whining about being constrained by the cap. He should have been smart enough going in to know what he was stepping into.

And keeping Mo was more than about money and what he could do for the team…It was about honoring the man that made the franchise what it is…it’s about honoring the greatest player to ever wear the team logo…it’s about showing MO the same consideration he showed the Stars the last time his contract was up when other teams offered him more but he gave his allegiance to this team!

by Cowpokealong on Aug 4, 2010 2:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Honoring Is One Thing, Paying For 10 Years Ago Is Another
And keeping Mo was more than about money and what he could do for the team…

How is a team with no money supposed to spend precious resources keeping a guy around who was making first line money for fourth line production? Yes, he’s Mike Modano, Mr. Dallas Star. He deserves all the accolades for his career accomplishments and for his role with this franchise. That still doesn’t change the facts that with a team in the transition the Stars are in, with a team in the financial shape the Stars are in and with a team in the ownership limbo the Stars are in, you can’t afford to keep him around. That’s not just a financial decision; that’s an ice time decision. If Modano were willing to take a reduced role to fit his reduced production, then yeah, they should’ve tried to sign him for the right price. He wasn’t happy with a reduced role, so he went elsewhere. The Stars did what they had to do. Did Mo? I hope so.

This is the New NHL. You don’t get the luxury of giving nice guys contracts because of what they did 10 years ago. That’s the reality of it, especially for a team with no money and a dismal ownership situation.

by Mister Naxal on Aug 5, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

My mistake!

I meant the budget but thoughtlessly said the cap. That was my mistake.

As for that situation, was he not allwed to ask questions before accepting the job?
Did he think he would have all the money he needed to make his changes?
If the answer to those two things is “No”, then that would be a reasonable excuse.
But if the answer is “Yes”, then he was foolish to take the job and he needs to shut-up and work with what he has, or, get out!
You can’t complain about being blind-sided when you have your eyes closed and get hit between the eyes!

As for Mo . . .

As far as Modano goes….you’re right. They should let Modano keep playing as long as he wants, no matter what.

Yes! Mo has enough pride to know when he can no longer contribute. And don’t forget, when Hicks wanted to hire some high-priced forwards but didn’t have the money, Mo gave up part of his salary to make it happen.
When the team needed Mo to be a more defensive player, he gave up some of his offensive potential to be what the team needed.
When other teams offered him more to join them, he chose to stay with the Stars.

Forget that he wasn’t happy with a reduced role, forget that he wasn’t very effective and forget that he would be blocking the development of players needed in the future.

No player is ever happy about playing a reduced role, no matter what their age. Wasn’t very effective? I may be mistaken, but according to my source he ranked 189 out of 580 forwards that played in the NHL this past season! That’s top one-third of ALL forwards. Now, I didn’t break it down by games played, but that seems effective to me! Also, that’s 8th on the Stars roster. And, he scored 7 times more than Brunnstrom!!!
As for blocking the development of future players . . . hogwash! I didn’t see him blocking future talent like Been and Neal.

Bottom line, Mo EARNED the respect to choose when we walks away!

Nieuwendyk hasn’t showed the class and intelligence as a GM that he showed as a player.
No one forced this job on him. He either took it knowing what he was walking into or he was clueless.

by Cowpokealong on Aug 4, 2010 4:53 PM CDT reply actions  

I have to disagree... You don't earn tenure in professional sports.

You earn your next contract. If the youth in the program can produce the same numbers that Mo was producing, and they needed a chance to grow, the only right move was to give them the chance to play.

by Tsudbury on Aug 5, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

If that's true . . .

Explain the Barch signing. And, explain the Brunnstrom signing.

And it’s not about tenure, it’s about dancing with the one that brung ya. Somewhere, sometime, honor pays dividends.

And I believe MO HAS earned the next contract! What are the chances of Barch scoring 14 goals next season? If the Stars were a certain contender for next year, I might could be swayed with the logic that Mo can’t produce enough, but even, as little as I know after watching hockey for 60+ years, I don’t see much chance of the being better than an, if they’re very lucky, eigth seed.

The Wings believe he is worth a year-long contract…and the last time I checked, the Wings have a history of making winning choices.

by Cowpokealong on Aug 5, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

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