Very Early, Completely Premature Roster & Line Combination Projection
It's summer and we're bored.
The Dallas Stars are stuck in limbo, waiting for the start of the season and for the ownership situation to be resolved. Fans are anxious to see if the Stars will be able to sign their RFAs, specifically James Neal and if they'll be able to get him a contract before training camp starts. Even though the Stars are handcuffed from truly moving forward, the worst scenario would be to see the team start to actually move backwards and not getting Neal locked down would certainly be a good way to start the downward spiral.
The good news is that I'm fairly certain Neal is going to get signed, and all this hand-wringing with be for nothing.
In the meantime, I thought we'd just go ahead and move forward with the assumption that a) Neal and Grossman will sign and b) that the Stars won't be adding any new players to the roster before training camp. While it's almost completely useless at this point, especially considering what happened last year with Jamie Benn in training camp, here's a premature look at what I think the depth chart and the line combos will look like come the start of the season.
It's an exercise in futility, but it's still fun to do. Follow me down the rabbit hole.....
Depth Chart
Forwards
I don't see Jere Lehtinen playing next season. That's just a hunch. After signing Neal, then the Stars will have 14 forwards on the NHL roster and should be all set moving forward. I'm also not expecting a Mike Ribeiro trade anytime soon.
As for prospects that are available for call ups, the Stars have a couple of really promising young forwards. I know that everyone is down on the depth of the system, but that doesn't mean the well is completely dry. I'm excited to see what Colton Sceviour could do if given a bit more time to develop, especially after the chemistry he showed with Benn in the AHL playoffs.
So, here's the depth chart for the Stars. (Oh yeah, they're listed in order of who I think is most important to this team. Just for giggles).
NHL
Brad Richards
Mike Ribeiro
Loui Eriksson
Jamie Benn
Brenden Morrow
James Neal
Steve Ott
Tom Wandell
Adam Burish
Toby Petersen
Brian Sutherby
Brandon Segal
Krys Barch
Fabian Brunnstrom
AHL/ECHL
Colton Sceviour
Aaron Gagnon
Perttu Lindgren (might play in Finland, which means he slides lower on the chart)
Luke Gazdic
Francis Wathier
Ray Sawada
Travis Morin
Sergei Korostin
Mathieu Tousignant
Ondrej Roman
Defensemen
The defensemen are tough to figure out. I know we all want Philip Larsen to come in and rock it out on the blue line, but there's going to be an interesting numbers crunch. The Stars have eight defensemen listed right now for the NHL roster, and either they roll with just 13 forwards or they're going to be end up having to pay someone to play in the AHL -- if Larsen makes the team.
As it stands, only Larsen would be able to move freely between the NHL and AHL. I am almost 100% certain that Jeff Woywitka would have to pass through waivers (although I could be wrong) since he's on a one-way contract and you'd have to think he'd be the only candidate that Larsen could conceivably replace. Oh, decisions to make.
Obviously, whether Larsen does bump Woywitka (or someone else) off the NHL roster to start the season is wholly dependent on his performance in the preseason. I just have to guess at this point.
There's also the interesting addition of Severin Blindenbacher, who by most accounts has the potential to be an everyday player in the NHL. Where does he fit in?
Here's the depth chart, once again listed in order of importance.
NHL
Stephane Robidas
Nicklas Grossman
Mark Fistric
Philip Larsen
Trevor Daley
Karlis Skrastins
Matt Niskanen
AHL
Jeff Woywitka
Brad Lukowich
Severin Blindenbacher
Maxime Fortunus
Guillaume Monast
Trevor Ludwig
Goaltenders
This one isn't as easy either, and is based on how the backups perform in the preseason. Here we go:
NHL
AHL
Andrew Raycroft
Richard Bachman
Line Combinations
Once again, this is all just a guess. But it's still fun.
| Forwards | ||
| James Neal | Brad Richards | Loui Eriksson |
| Brendon Morrow | Mike Ribeiro | Jamie Benn |
| Steve Ott | Tom Wandell | Adam Burish |
| Brian Sutherby | Toby Petersen | Krys Barch |
| Fabian Brunnstrom | Brandon Segal | |
| Defensemen | ||
| Nicklas Grossman | Stephane Robidas | |
| Mark Fistric | Trevor Daley | |
| Karlis Skrastins | Philip Larsen | |
| Matt Niskanen | ||
| Goaltenders |
| Kari Lehtonen |
| Brent Krahn |
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Lindgren?
I heard he was playing overseas somewhere next year (but I really can’t remember where – Sweden, Finland?) Is that not true?
Hmm.
I still have him listed on the roster. He was a RFA this summer and the Stars did give him a qualifying offer, so I’m guessing that’s where the confusion might be.
Mark Stepneski has him listed as “not signed, expected to play in Finland next year”, so I’m guessing that he’s wanting to either play in the NHL or play in Finland. Either way, the Stars still retain his rights until next year.
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by Brandon Worley on Jul 29, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
switch segal for barch, and start fabian in the AHL
im so sick of being spared to death by barch, and there’s no way that he’s better than segal
Well..
Part of this projection has to do with what I think the team might do.
Based on Barch’s extension and Crawford’s undying love for him, I’m guessing he gets the nod above Segal. Much to my own chagrin.
Brunnstrom isn’t playing the AHL, unless the Stars send him through waivers. That’s a possibility this season, but I don’t think that happens immediately. Maybe.
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by Brandon Worley on Jul 29, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd guess
That they would give Brunnstrom a shot and see how it goes. I think the whole season is based on the “wait and see who will be trade bait” mentality due to lack of ownership. I really don’t think the lineup is that bad for the most part.
If Morrow gets back to form, and I think he will, this team will still be right there. But I’m with you about Barch probably displacing Segal, which is a damn shame.
That 3rd line...
could be a good line. With Wandell’s ability to skate like the wind and Otter and Burish there to rile guys up…if it clicks it could be very fun to see.
Thats what I was thinking too…. actually, I love that 3rd line, but I’m guessing they’d have a combined 9827937 PIMS and that isnt even counting Wandell ;)
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by Cheap Seats on Jul 29, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
At least it would be fun to watch.
I wouldn’t mind us leading the league in SOMETHING this year – even if it is PIM. :D
by taylor_bean on Jul 29, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Well we wouldn’t want him to end up like Niskanen did when he didn’t do the AHL route. It’s for the better, I think.
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Jul 29, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
And I really hope
That Segal proves himself to be more than that. He had flashes of…“usefulness” last season. Nice flashes.
Krahn over Raycroft?
I don’t know, but I have a little more faith in Raycroft. I’m not sure why I feel that way. It just feels like Krahn’s destined to be a lifetime AHLer. He was good for Texas, but the NHL’s different, and Raycroft has more recent experience.
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Jul 29, 2010 10:15 AM CDT reply actions
Something that was interesting on here was how you listed the defensemen in order of importance. On an already weak blueline, Trevor Daley is listed 5th. I’m not saying that I disagree… but wow, how the mighty have fallen… ;)
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As far as defensemen are concerned...
I don’t think there will be a problem with sending anyone through waivers. Unless I’m wrong, isn’t Niskanen an RFA still, too? Or have I lost my mind? It’s too early for me to honestly remember, so someone correct me if I’m wrong.
If he is, I think the stars can keep a 2 way deal for him, either that, or put off signing him through training camp and maybe even preseason to see how the other D-men handle, which would leave plenty of room.
i don't know about krahn over raycroft
but your second line is something i’ve been preaching since pre-benn-as-a-center-experiment… PUT HIM ON THE RIGHT SIDE! look how successful Kane is as a lefty over there. gives benn the ability to come across the ice on his forehand and use a free hand for protection along the boards.
one thing i never understand is the lack of players playing on the opposite wing from your handedness. if you can do it, you can use way more ice to your advantage, give you move to shoot at, etc. it’s way better. no coincidence two of the best wingers in the game do it (ovechkin, kane).
Injury history aside..
I just feel that Krahn gives the Stars a great option at backup, plus they always have Raycroft waiting down in Austin. Financially, it makes sense as well, since Krahn would only make $500,000 next season in the NHL.
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by Brandon Worley on Jul 29, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah the finances part
was my figuring into sending him down cause raycroft’s salary is about an 8th of what it is in the nhl. so that makes sense as well.
i also have this funny feeling
that brunnstrom might actually make the third line RW, bump burrish down to the most epic 4th line ever (with petersen and barch) and sutherby again being scratched a lot. it’s tough to say who crawford hates more, sutherby or brunnstrom. i guess segal could re-enter the line-up, giving us:
morrow-ribeiro-segal, ott-wandell-benn, barch-petersen-burrish…. which i’m completely fine with.
Lingren signed with Rauman Lukko in Sm-liiga, Finland.
It’s two years, I think and Stars do have them rights.
Lindgren, my mistake.
I would love to see Ott in first two lines, but then again… Who would go down, that’s a good question.
You know...
If they’re serious…really serious about Benn at center, they’re going to give Brunnstrom (if he makes it to camp) another shot with Ribeiro and Morrow I bet.
Ugh. The more I play it out in my head, I see this years camp looking an awful lot like last years camp. Just replace all the mentions of Vishnevskiy with Larsen and repackage…
I'll just respond to a couple of comments at once, down here.
On Larsen:
I fully expect him to start off the season in the AHL, even though I’d think he’d do just fine with the Stars. But that would mean the Stars either a) losing a defenseman to waivers or b) paying a defenseman full salary in the AHL. Since Larsen is still on his entry-level contract, it makes much more sense financially to have him start off the in the AHL.
On Niskanen:
He’s a RFA, and he was given a qualifying offer. Based on recent performance, there just isn’t that big a worry that either Stars lose him to another offer or that he’ll be demanding a long contract. I think there’s a good chance he plays under a one-year contract, right around the same terms of his offer. I don’t see him signing a two-way contract, however.
On Brunnstrom vs. Segal vs. Sutherby
These guys are all interchangeable, although I really like what Segal brings to the table. I just think that, starting off the season, Brunnstrom is going to get the chance to prove himself one last time. Personally, I think Sutherby, Petersen and Segal would make for a very robust 4th line.
I could also see Segal sliding up and down the lines, as he’s a good fit anywhere from the 2nd line to the 4th line. I just don’t think they brought in Adam Burish to be a 4th line, 3-minute player.
On Jamie Benn on the RW:
I may be wrong here, and I’ve been wrong before, but I think he played there some last season as well. I may be crazy, but that’s where I thought he was playing at times, not just C and LW.
On Lindgren:
Thanks for the info Henri. Hopefully he’ll get a chance at the NHL sometime soon.
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by Brandon Worley on Jul 29, 2010 11:58 AM CDT reply actions
You're right about Benn playing RW.
Isn’t that where he started the season? With Ribs and Morrow?
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Jul 29, 2010 12:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, pretty sure that's where he was.
Him being able to play the RW out of camp is a big reason he made the team.
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by Brandon Worley on Jul 29, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, that's where he was
Brunnstrom was given the chance, he failed, and then Benn took over.
I think that same scenario could play out all over again this year if they start Benn off at center, which they keep saying they’re committed to.
BTW, Benn’s faceoffs in the AHL Playoffs were just miserable to watch. Faceoffs is going to be a big area of concern for this team again.
by Brad Gardner on Jul 29, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah
i was really hoping we would sign john madden. literally to take every faceooff and kill every penalty, and nothing else.
Seriously, on team faceoffs...
Is there a “Perreault Faceoff Camp” we can book for the guys?
3rd line center will be interesting
I guess it comes down to how well Wandell comes back from his ACL. Guess we will see if they are really serious about continuing with Benn at center.
Lines
I would like to see…
Loui-Richards-Neal
Morrow-Ribs-Ott
Wandell-Benn-Burish
Peterson-Sutherby-Segal
Some grit and skill on all 4 lines, I think you might see Otter really pick it up playing with a healthy Morrow and Ribs for a full season. And I would hope Benn and Wandell could become kind of our Jordan Staal`s(young guys committed to defense first hockey, but still have the skill to put the puck in the net) At the same time this lineup is kind of frustrating because there are 8 guys I would like to see get top 6 minutes playing important situations.
Other than the fact you've got Neal and Loui flipped...
This looks good to me. I just don’t know about putting Burish with two young players like Wandell and Benn.
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by Brandon Worley on Jul 30, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of Wandell
I haven’t heard much at all about his rehab. Anyone know how he’s progressing? Will he be ready for camp?
Good question.
He was injured in…January. That’s about 8 months or so between the injury and training camp.
Supposedly, an ACL tear is healed and ready to go in 6 months. Remember, two seasons ago Morrow was ready to play if the Stars somehow made the playoffs and that was right at 6 months or so.
That being said, while he may return and “be healed” from the ACL tear, it’s usually around a year before a player is fully recovered from the injury.
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by Brandon Worley on Jul 30, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
It didn’t last long due to injuries but, Wandell-Sutherby-Peterson (all 3 of them centers nominaly :) , yet, had great energy and really played well together a transition game. At this point hard to tell how good will be Burish comapared to other 3-4 liners on this club, most likely his addition splits that trio. And for character-wise reasons i would have Ott-Ribs duo together, they both can be anoying for diffrent reasons to other clubs. Besides i think Otter at $3 should be expected to do some more scoring standing in the face of the golies. They could use some finisher and i think Benn is the guy to compliment that. Benn with his “new” skills from last season i think can make this extra pass to open guy up close (Ott) or finish himself.
line up
neal-Richards-loui
morrow-ribs-been
segal-ott-burish
Sutherby-Wandell-Peterson
i drop barch bc of his lack of scoring
by Blayse Donalson on Jul 31, 2010 4:53 PM CDT reply actions
Swordfish better play Sutherby a lot more this season
Or I will dress up like a Green Man behind the Stars bench and annoyingly shake my entire green body in disgust at him.

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