Analyzing the Dallas Stars' Shoestring Budget
Yesterday morning I sat here and told you that the Stars weren't going to do a single thing in free agency. About an hour after that they started signing European free agents and an undrafted guy out of the CHL, then to add further insult to what I thought, they went ahead and signed two NHL free agents in the afternoon. So much for trying to guess what they can and cannot do with this supposed $45 million budget.
The Adam Burish signing caused a little bit of a stir, or rather, the same stir as the dual Barch/Wathier extensions. We keep talking about how they can't afford to give James Neal what he wants and how Nick Grossman needs a raise too, and the Stars keep giving money to players who will make them grittier and "harder to play against." If they can't go out and get the skill they need on the back end, "they might as well muck things up a little bit with these hard nosed guys", seems to be the sentiment here. How that jives with what Marc Crawford preaches, we'll find out in September.
The Raycroft signing was met with a little more enthusiasm, and rightfully so. It's being called a genius move by some. By negotiating a two-way deal in the first year, Nieuwendyk can still give Brent Krahn a try at the job and have Raycroft go down to Cedar Park if need be, and best of all the salary hit is only about $700k. That's a budget friendly backup goaltender if I've ever heard of one. Being affordable isn't Raycrofts only bullet point. He's made a career out of being a backup and at 30 years old is capable of giving you 30 starts and not killing you. Will Lehtonen need that much rest? With 12 back to backs, it's hard to say, but clearly Joe thinks this is the year that Kari stays healthy and fulfills his potential.
These are prudent signings at affordable prices to fill out the roster. The $45 million question is: How do they affect James Neal and Nick Grossman, and did the team just price themselves out of their own RFA's?
Let's take a look at the payroll...
As of Thursday night, July 1st, 11:00pm CDT...
These are actual salaries. Not cap hits.
| Player | 2010-2011 Season |
| Brad Richards | $7,800,000 |
| Mike Ribeiro | $5,000,000 |
| Loui Eriksson | $3,200,000 |
| Brenden Morrow | $4,100,000 |
| Steve Ott | $2,100,000 |
| Adam Burish | $1,000,000 |
| Krys Barch | $825,000 |
| Jamie Benn | $635,000 |
| Brian Sutherby | $812,500 |
| Tom Wandell | $700,000 |
| Toby Petersen | $745,000 |
| Brandon Segal | $550,000 |
| James Neal | $?,???,??? |
| Stephane Robidas | $3,250,000 |
| Trevor Daley | $2,500,000 |
| Karlis Skrastins | $1,650,000 |
| Mark Fistric | $1,000,000 |
| Jeff Woywitka | $700,000 |
| Nicklas Grossman | $?,???,??? |
| Matt Niskanen | $0,000,000.0? |
| G Kari Lehtonen | $2,700,000 |
| G Andrew Raycroft | $700,000 |
19 Players. 12 Forwards, 5 Defensemen, 2 goaltenders
Grand Total: $39,967,500
The good news is they haven't even hit the cap floor yet! The bad news is that they must extend James Neal, Nick Grossman, and most likely Matt Niskanen, and they have to make it happen for about $5 million dollars. We don't know exactly how hard that $45 million number is. Is it exact to the dollar? I would think not, but with the way things are now, would it really surprise if you if Tom Hicks were counting every penny? One might even say they're lucky he didn't cut spending to the cap floor as soon as he started the sale process. The cap floor is about $43 million (I think...)
3 players in $5,032,500. How do you do it? The wild card is James Neal. Whatever they end up agreeing on will likely be heavily back loaded to get this one year of hockey in. 11 players already have escalating salaries in 2011-2012. Grossman and Neal will likely make it 13. You remember we said this when the new owner shows up and the Stars don't have this uber amazing cap space you think they should. This roster is more expensive than the salaries say this season, and we'll pay for it next year and the year after. It's the price of trying to keep the band together.
Mike Heika had the chance to talk to GM Joe about his unexpected signings yesterday and the budget as a whole. Here is a snippet...
I honestly think the Stars are cheating a little bit, knowing full well that the checks don't have to be written until October and that there could be new ownership in place by then. At the very least, they are pushing the envelope to the max.
When I asked Joe Nieuwendyk about another team making an offer sheet to James Neal, he said: ``We're not afraid of an offer sheet. We can't conduct how we want to put our team together worried about that.''
I truly think if an offer sheet is made, the Stars will match and find a way for the new owners to pay for it. I think that's the mindset right now. [DMN]
There is a wealth of information in those three paragraphs. The notion that they are "cheating a little bit" is an interesting one because they might still get this done THIS YEAR at or near the budget, in which case they won't be cheating at all. The cheating might come into play in the Neal deal. I suspect the numbers may add up to $46.5 or so by the time it's all said and done, but we'll see.
We haven't mentioned Fabian Brunnstrom. They own his rights still. Could they sign him up real cheap and trade him for a 7th rounder maybe? Can they sneak him down to the minors? Would they mind if anyone claimed him?
And That Brings us To Jere Lehtinen
I'm getting that "uh-oh" feeling again just writing this sentence. Do the Stars have room in their budget or their lineup for Jere Lehtinen? Was the Adam Burish signing made with some greater knowledge in Joe's mind? Wouldn't Jere Lehtinen be looking for something in the $2 million dollar range if he were going to come back? Maybe a nice $1.5 million home discount? That's still too much. Would Hicks make an exception for Jere Lehtinen, or would they try to move Sutherby and/or Segal?
I will join the protest against the Krys Barch deal pretty hardcore if we get another Modano situation on our hands with this one. Jere Lehtinen is not as old as Mike Modano and the right wing position on this team is not jammed up like center. The Stars had a role for Jere Lehtinen out of need, more so than Mike. Is that still true?
Meet the New Defense. Same as the Old Defense
I will be the first to applaud when Joe gets the RFA signings done within the budgetary constraints placed on him. He was handed an impossible task and he's very nearly to the finish line. There's just one problem: The roster is a little too close to last years, and on the blue line, it's EXACTLY last years roster. You saw the signings yesterday. Was there a defenseman that the Stars could afford? Would they have even talked to the Stars? Would any of them had made a significant long term difference? We said it all day yesterday: It might have been a good July 1st to NOT have money, but that's little consolation.
There is still a chance that the Stars could swing a trade for cap room or a d-man, but Joe Nieuwendyks comments combined with the vibe we're getting from the traditional media suggests that this is the roster they're planning on moving forward with.
When you weigh the success of the Coyotes, the movement of the Ducks, the continued dominance of the Sharks and the surging Los Angeles Kings (watch out for the Kings, seriously) against a Dallas team that brings back the same lacking blue-line, it's tough to see where there's a playoff spot in their immediate future.
But there's still time.
"It's delicate moving forward," Nieuwendyk told the Morning News, "but we wouldn't have done this if we didn't think we could do it on a budget.''
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What's the salary for the 3
if they aren’t signed new contracts for the time being? I’m too lazy to look up the numbers, but I was thinking it was around 3 million for neal, grossman, and nisky as of right now…
As far as Lehtinen, I think he won’t be resigned by the stars at this point. I remember the debate that took place last season…we had to choose between zubov and lehtinen, since both had been so injury prone. Based on last season, I personally think we chose wrong… I love Lehtinen, but the man is our for weeks if anyone even LOOKS at his groin. (giggle)
If Lehtinen wants to come back, I really think Joe should let him. Like Zubov, he’s always welcome. Lehts is a natural right winger, and we’re not exactly deep at that position. He’s still a good two-way player that we could use, despite all his injuries.
Here's to all us girls who love hockey...and the men who play it.
by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Jul 2, 2010 8:23 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I have 2 issues with that, though...
His cost — 1.5 is way too much for him at this point. I think it would have to be $1 mil for 1 year. And #2 is those nagging injuries… If he misses most of the season, everyone’s going to complain that we blew a chunk of money that could be used to sign neal to an extension or something like that. A very Barchish kind of argument.
Honestly I like the FAs signed yesterday
Burish can be a beast and Raycroft as a 2 way contract was as good as you could possibly expect.
Really, aside from no Neal contract and extending Barch, I don’t really have a problem with anything Joe’s been doing. If they get Neal signed to a 3 year deal and Barch steps it up, I can’t complain about the rest. He’s in a pretty damn tough place and trying to make the best with what he has. He doesn’t want to mortgage the future but doesn’t have a lot to bargain with.
I think the main reason he signed barch
is that he didn’t want to gamble on the FA market to try and bring someone in. (Of course, he succeeded with Burish, but oh well) Here’s hoping that Barch does somehow magically become good.
I think they are just high on Barch
The former administration was high on Sutherby. Different people like different guys for whatever reasons…
by Brad Gardner on Jul 2, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
My theory is that Barch must smell fantastic.
Crawford: Well, Barchie, we’re going to have to scra….sniff sniff Is that raspberries…and chocolate? What was I saying? Oh yeah, 3rd line. Have fun.
Nieuwendyk: Here’s the deal, Barchie. We just don’t have a lot of cash to spend this offseason, so I’m afraid we won’t be able to offer you…sniff sniff How much do you want? Two years? Done.
Barch WAS a skilled junior player
Maybe he can find a little scoring touch now. They see something in him. With Burrish now Ott and Barch don’t have to carry the tough guy role for the whole team. Ott can focus on more offense and still be himself and barch can hopefully find a spot and stay in it. If not his contract does seem like a waste. I like Barch I think he has skill and just hasn’t show it all yet. Given more ice time I think he will show it
by rburk32981 on Jul 2, 2010 12:28 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I remember how little impact Ott used to make when he was just a season or 2 old...
Not that I’m saying that is the level Barch will ever achieve. But I remember when both him and Aaron Downey were on the team, and I got their autographs at the stars fest thing they had just after the lockout… I thought Downey would be our enforcer for a long time to come…
The three amigos, RFAs, and internal cappage...
So let me get this straight. We don’t have money for new Dmen, we have a solid one in Grossman but haven’t signed him, and we are a few years from developing one; yet we justify being gritty vs. contenders by siging Burish, resigning Barch and hoping for the best? I know Jere has been riding the injury wagon for the last few years, but it would seem like we needed these things in the draft and Free Agency fiasco:
1. a quality Dman (or 3)
2. Resign the young guns (don’t tell me Neal and Grossman aren’t worth a bump)
3. Let Niskanen go away (please just agree with this and don’t make me pull out highlights on YouTube or any other site to remind you why he looks great in a Texas Stars sweater)
4. Hold onto/acquire a backup to a goalie with IR as a middle name.
5. Shift a body or two from the Center to RW position through trade, attrition, retirement, etc.
No to #1, TBD on #2, Why God Why on #3, #4. JACKPOT!!!, #5. Present
We are in tough economic times, so Joe did pull out some magic with the Raycroft move, two way for the first year is most excellent. I don’t see this as a bounce back year like I did last year. I see this as a building process. The problem down the road is that you have several players that will be riding the mediocrity without a lot of conviction to re-up with new contracts. Looks like we are in a tough place until we get new ownership and pray to God they have deep pockets and follow Cuban and Jerry in their spending habits. So I guess this means Hull, Mo and owner to be named later are not gambling on an ownership role? Anyone got 150M I can borrow for a few years? :)
S...
S covered in rose petals is still S – terrible moves by Joe (except Raycroft, that was a decent one).
why?
Once again, all you do is insult Joe…. What would any other GM have been able to do that is so different, it requires him being fired before he really has a chance to do anything?
What is this deep seeded hatred you have for him?
Because Dallas is Knee Jerk City
There’s no other reason.
Which I get it to a certain extent. Fans are unhappy that this team that made it to the WCF in 2008 has missed the playoffs the last two years and appears to be a “favorite” to miss them, again, next season.
And since Tom Hicks is too obvious a target for their ire…
by Brandon Bibb on Jul 3, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Wrong
You are so incredibly wrong – I blame Hicks for this disaster and being a douchebag. He ruined the team finance wise, brought in an incompetent and unqualified man to be his GM. Secondly, I am the opposite of knee jerk. If I see a rational plan in place to move the franchise forward and improve the team, I’m fine with that. That is why I wasn’t on the fire JD bandwagon after a couple of bad trades. Because we knew the plan, saw the plan in action and had someone competent to execute the plan. With Joe there is no plan except to give terrible contracts out to undeserving players, over draft players, not sign players to positions of needs and basically write off next season because he can’t manage a budget. I’m a lawyer, I don’t knee jerk, I use sound rational reasoning for my positions. I, unlike most people here, don’t blindly follow the hero of ’99.
Actually for a lawyer, you rarely substantiate your claims, instead you belittle and talk down to the rest of us.
I wrote this comment on a previous post but perhaps it bears repeating here.
We are not talking about one man making all these decisions. How is it that you know so much more than a whole group of people who have spent their entire lives immersed in hockey? Men who live, eat and breath hockey 24/7/365. A whole army of scouts who look at hundreds of players and watch thousands of games annually.
Hmm. Let me think, who am I going to put faith in and support behind? Them? or you?
We all have our opinions. The problem comes when we put down others for having different opinions from ours. Your constant reference as “fan boys” and “sheeple” is demeaning and totally baseless.
The writers and the commenters on DBD do an excellent job being open-minded and evenhanded in their postings and comments. They are not just "fan boys". They are critical when necessary but also recognize that they do not have the whole picture and can only guess about what goes on inside the Stars management. We also, respect each other and can have differing opinions without resorting to name calling.
Defending Big D is a Stars blog. It is a place where we can come to support our Stars. Yes, we can disagree with choices they make and be upset when they play badly and lose, but at the end of the day the Stars are still our team.
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Substantiate
I substantiate every claim when needed. Signing Barch needs no substantiation because on its face it is terrible. You don’t spend limited funds on a player who sucks. Barch brings nothing to this team. The same in true re Ott, except he scores a little and doesn’t completely suck, but on a team with a $48m budget he is vastly overpaid. On the drafting, Glennie and Campbell were the wrong picks considering who was left on the board, the overall state of the system and considering they weren’t BPA. Knowing they weren’t BPA makes them bad picks.
Now, regarding the unqualified, incompetent Joe. If you just look at his resume off the ice, which is all that is important it is thin and not someone who is qualified to be GM. The move was similar to making the Ambassador of Fun a Co-GM. Bringing in a guy who the town loves, and there is no doubt that we don’t all love Hull and Newy for their work in ‘99, and putting them in a position of power where they are not qualified. Look what that got us, Hull brought us the awesomeness that was Avery and Newy has brought us bad drafting, poor roster management, a questionable coaching hiring and bad contracts. What’s not to love.
Look, the people on here are acting like fan boys and sheeple. With statements like this:
“We are not talking about one man making all these decisions. How is it that you know so much more than a whole group of people who have spent their entire lives immersed in hockey? Men who live, eat and breath hockey 24/7/365. A whole army of scouts who look at hundreds of players and watch thousands of games annually.”
The thing is, that with all sports, we are fans don’t know everything but what we see from the 10,000 foot view is more often right than wrong. When we know the facts that the Stars are looking at a limited budget, few draft picks, a pourous defense and no real farm system some stuff needs to happen. You need to jetison Turco at the last trade deadline for whatever you can get for him. This team was out of it, who cares what the fans thing, Joe’s responsibility was to the future which he failed at. You need at least two quality d-men in the offseason, so what does Joe spend his limited funds on? Players who can’t score and can’t defend. The rest of any cap space is going to be eaten up by Neal, Grossman and maybe Fabian. While we as fans can’t determine the exactly correct players to sign, we sure as hell know the players that shouldn’t be signed.
The simple fact of the matter is that this team will be a 12th place or lower team next season as constructed and short of trading away two top six forwards, there will be no real help at defense. If you want to support Newy after that, you can do it, but that doesn’t mean he has been anything other than a disaster as GM.
Rebut, if I may bold as to question some of your assumptions.
I’m not crazy about the Barch signing either, I’m not sure anyone is around here, but I will say that there are probable intangibles involved relating to work ethic and a leader in the locker room that we have little knowledge of.
As to Ott, I admit that I am biased on the Ott signing but Ott represents a complete player. Incredible grit and tenacity on the ice capable of dragging his team back into a game. Offensive skills to back it up and a leader in the locker room amongst a group of very quiet and reserved players. Off ice, he is by far the best with media left after the departure of Turco and Modano. Do not under estimate the value of a player who is good at PR.
Yes, Glennie and Campbell were not the “best players available” but were deemed by scouting to be the best players for Dallas to draft. Joe listened to the men who are paid to determine these things. I’m sure Les Jackson had nothing to do with any of those decisions. Apparently, the incompetent Joe made all those decisions all on his own? It is far too early to make any kind of determination that these are “bad” picks.
They did not make a Turco trade because they didn’t get any offers that were worth it. They haven’t made a Ribs trade for the same reason. They are not making business decisions based on “what the fans think.” If so, then Turco and Modano would both still be here.
I would love to have the crystal ball that you have that you can so boldly state that they will be a 12th or lower team next season. They may be even worse, who knows? But we also don’t know what trades are still ahead as we seem to have a few extra forwards at the moment. So who knows what could happen.
In fact it is far too early to make the declaration that Nieuwendyk has brought us bad drafting, poor roster management, questionable coaching hire or bad contracts. There is simply not enough evidence to make any judgement yet, one way or the other.
So by putting my faith in the people who have been trained to make hockey decisions makes me a fanboy or sheeple? That as a fan I can see more from the 10,000 foot view to make better decisions than they can? Hmm. That is a very interesting statement to have been made by a lawyer. Does that mean because I have seen every episode of Perry Mason, I’m more qualified to represent myself in court than a trained attorney? Or how about, I’ve seen 1000’s of football games in my lifetime, how about I get to be a ref or maybe Jerry would hire me to handle player negotiations. If by putting my faith in people who are more qualified than me to make appropriate business decisions makes me a fanboy then so be it. And while we are at it, fans make decisions based on emotions not business.
Frankly, I’m not a Nieuwy apologist. I have no real attachment to him as I was not a fan of the Stars or hockey at the time of their Cup win. I am however really tired of being told how I should feel about GM Joe when there has not been enough time for a real assessment to have been made. And I am incredibly tired of being insulted and talked down to for not agreeing with your opinion.
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Why?
Why because in his short tenure here he has shown he is not up to the job. The simple fact of the matter is that he wasn’t qualified for the job in the first place but Hicks hired him for his name and to get some good will from the sheeple public at large (Hicks got the good will from the unwashed masses right). Second, he has blown two drafts. Third, his free agent signings and contract extentions have, except for one, Raycroft, been abysmal. Joe is out of his league and he is hurting the franchise with his incompetence.
Sigh.
Nothing is as black and white as you would like to make it out to be. Your relentless mantra against Joe has become tiresome.
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In sports
In sports, in this situation it is black and white. You’ve got a major weakness. You have an extremely limited budget. You have two choices, spend smartly to improve your team or waste money on players that won’t win you games. Joe chose the latter.
Do you really think Joe can't add?
He wouldn’t have signed additional players or made the contract extensions that he did if he didn’t think he could pay for everyone.
It doesn't seem so
If he could add then Barch wouldn’t be an addition to this team.





















